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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:21 am

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I just replaced a 250 gig Hitachi Deskstar that I'd been using for years for non-critical online data storage. CrystalDiskInfo just started showing a yellow caution warning a couple of days ago so I thought I'd better get the data off it before it craters. Good thing I did. It took a few tries to get all the data copied because the drive kept disappearing from the BIOS. It's been my experience that once that yellow caution flag shows up and it's because of reallocated sectors, it's not long after that the drive dies altogether.

It has 100,322 hours on it. I got my money's worth. :-)


If you want, you could try to revive the drive with HDD regenerator. It fixes soft bad sectors, sectors where the magnetic field has gotten weak over time. It took around 13 hours to fix 1208 sectors on my Hitachi drive. You can check the condition of my drive after the HDD regenerator run here: http://www.hddstatus.com/hdrepshowrepor ... n=3B504055

This same page was telling me to replace my HDD ASAP. Now it says everything is good. Granted, everything may not be totally good. But at least, I was able to make a successful sector by sector copy with Macrium Reflect to an SSD. Mind you, Macrium Reflect is VERY picky when it comes to reading bad sectors and will refuse to finish the cloning job more than any other disk image software I have ever used.
 
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:08 am

Yeah, once the drive is bad enough that you've got 1208 unreadable sectors, odds are it will continue to develop more. Don't trust the "repaired" drive for anything you care about.
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:39 am

10k hours on a Samsung HD204UI hard-drive and 5½k hours on a Samsung 830 SSD. These are in a family member's PC that doesn't stay on 24/7, so they've accumulated 6½k and 5k startups.

Another family member uses their PC more heavily. 12½k hours on a Seagate ST4000DM000 hard-drive and 9½k hours on a Crucial MX100 SSD.


I've got a stack of old WD6400AAKS drives here. I should plug 'em in and read their SMART data, too. I'm sure they haven't accumulated more than two hours in the past three years, but they saw some use before that.
P.S.: 10½k hours and one CRC error on the one that I checked.
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:01 am

43,956 hours on a Crucial MX100 in a 24/7 box.
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:21 am

SSD hours are probably meaningless.

But how about starting an SSD thread with TBW stats, or better, TBW + unpowered hours after which it was all checksummed okay.
 
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:01 pm

Captain Ned wrote:
43,956 hours on a Crucial MX100 in a 24/7 box.


More details please. Capacity? TBW from S.M.A.R.T.? Estimated life remaining as shown by Crucial Storage Executive?
 
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:41 pm

Igor_Kavinski wrote:
Captain Ned wrote:
43,956 hours on a Crucial MX100 in a 24/7 box.
More details please. Capacity? TBW from S.M.A.R.T.? Estimated life remaining as shown by Crucial Storage Executive?

Capacity: 512 GB
TBW: 30.43 TB
Life Remaining: 96%
Power Cycles: 56 (in 5 years)
Highest Temp: 47C
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:42 pm

Captain Ned wrote:
Igor_Kavinski wrote:
Captain Ned wrote:
43,956 hours on a Crucial MX100 in a 24/7 box.
More details please. Capacity? TBW from S.M.A.R.T.? Estimated life remaining as shown by Crucial Storage Executive?

Capacity: 512 GB
TBW: 30.43 TB
Life Remaining: 96%
Power Cycles: 56 (in 5 years)
Highest Temp: 47C
Win 8.1 Pro


Thanks. That's impressive endurance. You might just have to include that drive in your will...
 
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:21 pm

By then we'll view drives of that vintage the way we view floppy disks today.
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:03 am

I have an Hitachi manuf on July 2007, bought on 2008 and I have 100.123 hours.
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:05 am

Yeah, but I'm curious: Is there a meaningful way to measure SSD hours?
 
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:54 pm

Igor_Kavinski wrote:
Captain Ned wrote:
Igor_Kavinski wrote:
More details please. Capacity? TBW from S.M.A.R.T.? Estimated life remaining as shown by Crucial Storage Executive?

Capacity: 512 GB
TBW: 30.43 TB
Life Remaining: 96%
Power Cycles: 56 (in 5 years)
Highest Temp: 47C
Win 8.1 Pro


Thanks. That's impressive endurance. You might just have to include that drive in your will...

60 overwrites isn't that many, honestly, for an early MLC drive. 10,000 would be somewhat typical for wearout.

I'm pretty sure I have an X-25E laying around somewhere with a nearly a PB of writes...

Darryl07 wrote:
Yeah, but I'm curious: Is there a meaningful way to measure SSD hours?

The same SMART stats are reported for SSDs.
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:03 am

Waco wrote:
Igor_Kavinski wrote:
Captain Ned wrote:
Capacity: 512 GB
TBW: 30.43 TB
Life Remaining: 96%
Power Cycles: 56 (in 5 years)
Highest Temp: 47C
Win 8.1 Pro


Thanks. That's impressive endurance. You might just have to include that drive in your will...

6000 overwrites isn't that many, honestly, for an early MLC drive. 10,000 would be somewhat typical for wearout.


I'm hopelessly bad at maths. So 30.43*1024=31160.32/512=60.86 full drive writes. How did you arrive at 6000 overwrites? Going by that, there should be (60.86/4)*96=1460.64 full drive writes left. Please correct me as I'm likely wrong.
 
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:41 pm

Igor_Kavinski wrote:
I'm hopelessly bad at maths. So 30.43*1024=31160.32/512=60.86 full drive writes. How did you arrive at 6000 overwrites? Going by that, there should be (60.86/4)*96=1460.64 full drive writes left. Please correct me as I'm likely wrong.

That's called half-awake Waco can't do mental math. lol

Point being - it's nowhere near running out of cycles.
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:29 pm

My Kingston 120GB SSD (I can't post image yet so this is the text version of the report

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(03) KINGSTON SHFS37A120G
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Model : KINGSTON SHFS37A120G
Firmware : 60AABBF0
Serial Number : 50026B7775024B00
Disk Size : 120.0 GB (8.4/120.0/120.0/120.0)
Buffer Size : Unknown
Queue Depth : 32
# of Sectors : 234441648
Rotation Rate : ---- (SSD)
Interface : Serial ATA
Major Version : ATA8-ACS
Minor Version : ACS-2 Revision 3
Transfer Mode : SATA/300 | SATA/600
Power On Hours : 26625 hours
Power On Count : 199 count
Host Reads : 21198 GB
Host Writes : 37456 GB
Temperature : 32 C (89 F)
Health Status : Good (96 %)
Features : S.M.A.R.T., APM, NCQ, TRIM
APM Level : 00FEh [ON]
AAM Level : ----
Drive Letter : C: M:
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:30 am

My soft raid array:

[[email protected] ~]# for name in h e a d b i; do smartctl -a /dev/sd$name |grep -E 'Power_On|Device Model'; done
Device Model:     HDS725050KLA360                      EIT
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   088   088   000    Old_age   Always       -       90140
Device Model:     HDS725050KLA360                      EIT
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   089   089   000    Old_age   Always       -       82987
Device Model:     GB0500C4413
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   030   030   000    Old_age   Always       -       62098
Device Model:     HDS725050KLA360                      EIT
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   090   090   000    Old_age   Always       -       73540
Device Model:     HDS725050KLA360                      EIT
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   086   086   000    Old_age   Always       -       102161
Device Model:     GB0500C4413
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   023   023   000    Old_age   Always       -       68097


Recently converted from raid5 to raid6 due to old age.

HDS is Hitachi Deskstar E7K500
GB500C4413 is from HP.

It really depends what disks are doing. My array is doing rsnapshot based backups every hour - for over 10 years, so there is not much activity on it.
 
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Re: What's your highest "power on hours" HDD?

Sat May 07, 2022 2:21 pm

Here's my best, AFAIK:

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Western Digital Caviar WDxxxBA
Device Model: WDC WD205BA
Serial Number: WD-WM9490310753
Firmware Version: 16.13M16
User Capacity: 20,525,137,920 bytes [20.5 GB]
Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: 4
ATA Standard is: Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
Local Time is: Sat May 7 15:23:24 2022 EDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 200 200 051 Pre-fail Always - 0
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0006 098 088 000 Old_age Always - 4150
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0012 098 098 040 Old_age Always - 2038
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0012 190 190 112 Old_age Always - 39
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 001 001 000 Old_age Always - 162584
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 051 Pre-fail Always - 0
11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 051 Pre-fail Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 1841
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0012 162 162 000 Old_age Always - 38
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 199 199 000 Old_age Always - 5
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0012 199 199 000 Old_age Always - 5
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x000a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 3
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0009 200 200 051 Pre-fail Offline - 2

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