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My older's brother's WD1200JB is giving him the crapper

Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:31 pm

Hello again, I have come to all your attention. That my older brother is having reliablity problems with his WD1200JB HD. He already had to RMA a defective unit back a week ago which worked for four months in his SN41G2. Now the replacement unit has already gave him the crapper. :( From my research online. I find to my surpise that Western Digital had all sorts of nasty problems with their WD1200JBs making them almost as reliable as the dreaded 75GXP Deathstars. :evil: He asked me to get some suggestions on getting something much more reliable with at least 100GB. So I came here to gather some third-party suggestions.
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:03 pm

Does it have to be IDE? I havn't heard anything but good things about the new seagate SATA series....

I've also had trouble with JB series, I had 2 80 gig fail me a year ago, but that may have been power supply.
 
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:06 pm

Is he in the market for IDE or SATA? I realize the last drive was IDE, but just wanted to check.

I have used both of these drives in several machines Ive built for others, and never had any issues with either of them (of course, Ive never had any issues with the WD1200JB either :roll: )

Maxtor 120GB 7200RPM 8MB Buffer IDE Hard Drive

Hitachi 120GB 7200RPM 8MB Buffer IDE Hard Drive

They are within $0.50 of each other, and both have a 3 year warrenty.
 
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:17 pm

Thanks, but Morpheus you should really google "WD1200JB and failures" where you will find some interesting results. In any case you probably have had the lucky draw.
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:54 am

http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q1/se ... dex.x?pg=1

Three-year warranty, and it ain't a Deathstar or a WD.
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:03 am

Damage wrote:
http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q1/seagate-7200.7/index.x?pg=1

Three-year warranty, and it ain't a Deathstar or a WD.


Seagate and Maxtor are on the top of my lists.
 
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:36 am

I have nearly a dozen WD1200JBs, and they give symptoms like those mentioned in the posts Google turns up.... But only when they're not getting good power, or just not quite enough of it.

Have four WD1200JBs in my machine right now, all purchased at different times, all as reliable as heart/lung machines. Have two others in other machines, also perfect reliability. My Antec 550 was acting strange, system would sometimes hang, hard disks would disappear and reappear overnight. Swapped out the PSU for a nicer model from PC Power & Cooling and I'm rock solid again.
 
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:17 am

Hard drive reliabilty is everyones favorite anecdotal topic of expertise.

Thus far the only time the smoke has actually lead to fire was with IBM.
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 10:17 am

Sorry, the SN41G2 doesn't have any intergrated SATA. If he wanted to go that route. He would have buy a SATA controller card and addition to that he would have to hook-up a floppy drive to install the 3rd-party drivers. :(
Then it looks like I will tell him to order ether a Maxtor or Seagate 8MB cache PATA HD. Thanks for all the suggestions guys! :D
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 11:40 am

IIRC all of the newer Maxtors use fluid dynamic bearings, which is a point in their favor. WD hasn't quite caught up yet in this area (some of their models use FDB, but most still do not).

And just to add my own $.02 to the collection of anecdotal hard drive experiences:

- The only drive I've ever had that died outright was an IBM drive that I accidentally dropped on the floor.

- Over the past ~12 years, I've used numerous Maxtor and Western Digital drives, and a few Seagates. One of the older Maxtors was acting up a bit recently, but I think it was just a loose power connector.

- All current 7200 RPM drives seem to be reasonably quiet. (As opposed to a few years ago when 7200 RPM first started to become mainstream -- back then, most of the drives on the market made high-pitching whining noises.)

I believe the keys to hard drive reliability are: A) clean power; B) decent ventilation of your drive bays; and C) never moving, bumping or shaking the drive while it is spinning. I suspect that C is the reason for many hard drive failures -- people put their computers on shaky desks or tables, which results in the drive being jostled every time someone slams a desk drawer, bumps the table, etc...
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:06 pm

Ive only had IBM drives to die on me, and the rest of the drives Ive used (WD, Seagate, Maxtor) have all done fine as long as I have good power getting to them.
 
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:31 pm

I've RMAd fewer WDs than any other brand, and sell several a week. The only HDD to fail me personally has been a old 6.4gb Quantum Bigfoot.

Maxtor has improved over about 3 years ago IMO, and Seagates are generally slower (marginally) but thanks to their casing and worksmanship are usually more reliable.

But I've seen duds in all brands. Personally I use WD Raptors in my home and work machines and Segate when I want SCSI. With all brands, YMMV.

RMA that sucker, don't hate WD for it.

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Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:02 am

I used to stay away from WD for years after 2-3 died on me but when they first came out with those "JB" drives, I was intruiged to buy one. Now I have 3 80gb (1 retail, 2 OEM) and 1 retail 120gb "JB" drives. Havent had even a sputter of noise from any of them yet. First drive I bought had for close to 2 years now, last drive (120 gb) for 6 months. Oh, and I RAID STRIPE 2 of the 80 gb drives.
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Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:58 am

This whole experience doesn't leave a bad taste in my month. Every manufacturer makes a lemon product once in a while. Althought, the consumers in the end get annoyed by it. For the record, I have two other WD drives in my possession a WD800JB and WD400JB. That have been running fine for months on end without a hitch. My older brother had a WD1000BB that has been running fine had for at least two years.
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