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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:19 pm

There are hacks, you shouldn't do them. One of the best features of Windows 10 is automatic updates that are impressively difficult to turn off.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:21 pm

Waco wrote:
There are hacks, you shouldn't do them. One of the best features of Windows 10 is automatic updates that are impressively difficult to turn off.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:01 pm

Yeah, don't do that. I get being annoyed by constant UI changes, but you'll wind up with a virus-ridden PC.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:06 pm

If you use wifi as your primary connection, you can set that connection to be a "metered connection". That will kill the updates. No way to stop them if you are using a wired connection.
 
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:28 pm

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If you use wifi as your primary connection, you can set that connection to be a "metered connection". That will kill the updates. No way to stop them if you are using a wired connection.

This isn't entirely correct. It doesn't really matter. You shouldn't be turning off the updates. Just set the "active" hours to decent times and it'll restart during the night when you're not using the computer. Or whatever time you're not using it.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:39 pm

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If you use wifi as your primary connection, you can set that connection to be a "metered connection". That will kill the updates. No way to stop them if you are using a wired connection.

It will only delay them. It will not prevent Windows from obtaining and installing an update once it is deemed critical. Also, it has other irritating consequences like creating Bandwidth Warning popups for OneDrive and causing Outlook (if you are using it) to not connect automatically.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:40 pm

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You shouldn't be turning off the updates. Just set the "active" hours to decent times and it'll restart during the night when you're not using the computer. Or whatever time you're not using it.

Problems with Windows Update are not restricted to "just" the major inconvenience of it rebooting the box when you're trying to use it.

There's also the taking ages to do so, during which you can't use your machine. This is particularly a problem on lower-end hardware, because those tasked with writing and signing off on Windows Update did not do so within the constraints of reasonableness.

Yes, there is hardware which is feeble out there and running Windows, but not that doesn't meet the software's requirements. It's just that Windows Update's requirements are far heavier than Windows' :o
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:53 pm

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Problems with Windows Update are not restricted to "just" the major inconvenience of it rebooting the box when you're trying to use it.

There's also the taking ages to do so, during which you can't use your machine. This is particularly a problem on lower-end hardware, because those tasked with writing and signing off on Windows Update did not do so within the constraints of reasonableness.

Yes, there is hardware which is feeble out there and running Windows, but not that doesn't meet the software's requirements. It's just that Windows Update's requirements are far heavier than Windows' :o

....Which is why you set the active hours to when you're not using the computer. Specifically, if you let them install at night, even if you're a night owl and only sleep say, five hours a night you'd have to have some pretty inept hardware for Windows updates to take FIVE HOURS to install.

I don't want to start ANOTHER thread derail about how awful Windows updates are. The point is don't just turn them off. Yes they can be improved, no they're not the worst, and just deal with it.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:39 pm

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....Which is why you set the active hours to when you're not using the computer. Specifically, if you let them install at night, even if you're a night owl and only sleep say, five hours a night you'd have to have some pretty inept hardware for Windows updates to take FIVE HOURS to install.

I don't want to start ANOTHER thread derail about how awful Windows updates are. The point is don't just turn them off. Yes they can be improved, no they're not the worst, and just deal with it.

This.

Even my crapass Atom-based netbook can handle updates without getting annoying - I just set the update range to times when I'm asleep.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:59 pm

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I don't want to start ANOTHER thread derail about how awful Windows updates are. The point is don't just turn them off. Yes they can be improved, no they're not the worst, and just deal with it.


Well, when my 2004 era Athlon64 came to update to the fall creators update, it hosed the OS. Was working fine before that. Apps were dog slow, and would occasionally crash. The update itself would say "we just need to restart:", then "a problem occurred on install"

The only solution was a fresh reinstall of the OS. Working fine now but sheesh.
 
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:36 pm

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Well, when my 2004 era Athlon64 came to update to the fall creators update, it hosed the OS. Was working fine before that. Apps were dog slow, and would occasionally crash. The update itself would say "we just need to restart:", then "a problem occurred on install"

The only solution was a fresh reinstall of the OS. Working fine now but sheesh.

14 year old CPUs typically aren't in great use, so it doesn't surprise me there were some bugs with the wipe-clean update system.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:09 pm

Lot of apologists here dodging the question, there are actual good reasons and particular use cases to block updates. If you have pro you can defer updates for a long time, also you can set your wired connection to metered with registry changes (lol @ "hacks").
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:23 pm

Bauxite wrote:
there are actual good reasons and particular use cases to block updates.


Sure, but only if you're not on the Internet with that particular computer.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:26 pm

Deferring the updates is one thing. Turning them off altogether is another entirely.

Plus, these are desktops we're talking about, so downtime shouldn't be an issue. If it is an issue, then trusting everything to one machine is a bad idea anyway, and the update schedule should be staggered.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:54 pm

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(lol @ "hacks").

I called them hacks because they're hacky (read: crappy) ways to do something you shouldn't be doing, not because it's "hacking" the OS to do so.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:55 pm

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Lot of apologists here dodging the question, there are actual good reasons and particular use cases to block updates.

And I'm going to venture that people who fit those narrow usage cases are generally not newly registered users asking how to h4x0r their b0x3n (pardon my nineties) on the Tech Report, but maybe I assume too much?
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:03 pm

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And I'm going to venture that people who fit those narrow usage cases are generally not newly registered users asking how to h4x0r their b0x3n (pardon my nineties) on the Tech Report, but maybe I assume too much?

Agreed. The chattering classes (a/k/a anencephalic gerbils) usually ask next for instructions on disabling the page file.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:33 pm

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instructions on disabling the page file.


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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:26 pm

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...usually ask next for instructions on disabling the page file.

Oh god, please god, no!
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:11 pm

hey guise how do i put the swapfile into a ramdrive
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:47 pm

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dale77 wrote:
Well, when my 2004 era Athlon64 came to update to the fall creators update, it hosed the OS. Was working fine before that. Apps were dog slow, and would occasionally crash. The update itself would say "we just need to restart:", then "a problem occurred on install"

The only solution was a fresh reinstall of the OS. Working fine now but sheesh.

14 year old CPUs typically aren't in great use, so it doesn't surprise me there were some bugs with the wipe-clean update system.


It may be a rare beast, but this system gives good service with Kodi and Mediaportal, when it isn't broken by Windows update.
 
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:01 am

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Bauxite wrote:
there are actual good reasons and particular use cases to block updates.


Sure, but only if you're not on the Internet with that particular computer.


No, not really. I mean if you use edge you have a point (...ugh) but firefox and chrome exploits generally don't care about the rest of the OS. Controlling javascript and self-controlling attachment/link/download habits are 99% of internet defense for people not running services on external ports. (This goes for the whole house if you have any kind of lan services running) The other 1% is having a decent router with (good) updates, something your isp rarely provides and many retail ones fail at too.

I do this for a living and the common wisdom is off the mark. AV is another one that is backwards, if it actually "saves" you, by the numbers you have bad habits and you most likely are already owned from the 3 previous things it did not.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:19 am

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of "defense in depth"? I assure you that there are yet-undiscovered vulnerabilities in your browsers and other networked programs, and when the bad guy can break out of them then it will make their jobs much easier if you're too foolish to keep your OS patched.

You are entirely wrong.

I do this for a living


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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:24 am

Bauxite wrote:
No, not really. I mean if you use edge you have a point (...ugh) but firefox and chrome exploits generally don't care about the rest of the OS. Controlling javascript and self-controlling attachment/link/download habits are 99% of internet defense for people not running services on external ports.


You *do* realize that javascript in browsers is perfectly capable of interacting with the internal ports of the localhost it is executing upon?

People screw-up CORS pre-flight all the time.

You might, erm, want those patches?

I don't do this for a living. :roll:
 
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:07 pm

Bauxite wrote:
I do this for a living...

You and auxy...shouldn't. Bad habits shouldn't come from those that are in a position of authority.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:09 pm

Waco wrote:
Bauxite wrote:
I do this for a living...

You and auxy...shouldn't. Bad habits shouldn't come from those that are in a position of authority.

Pretty poor form dragging auxy in just to attack her.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:34 pm

Topinio wrote:
Waco wrote:
Bauxite wrote:
I do this for a living...

You and auxy...shouldn't. Bad habits shouldn't come from those that are in a position of authority.

Pretty poor form dragging auxy in just to attack her.

She's very staunch in her position that both updates and Windows Defender can and should be disabled. She uses basically the same reasoning I'm hearing from Bauxite.

I feel sorry for all of their customers and I'm sorry if you feel the callout was inappropriate.
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:24 pm

Waco wrote:
She's very staunch in her position that both updates and Windows Defender can and should be disabled. She uses basically the same reasoning I'm hearing from Bauxite.
If you are going to bring me up in threads I'm not even involved in you should at least take the time to read my posts. It's abundantly clear from your statement here that you did not.

It looks like OP has been banned or something but for anyone else who finds this and wants to know the answer to this question, you have to configure the "Configure Automatic Updates" policy (Computer Configuration -> Administrative Templates -> Windows Components -> Windows Update) to Disabled. This can only be done in non-Home versions of Windows 10. (It's possible you can do this with a registry hack or something but I don't know anything about that.) There are various other hacky ways to do it as mentioned, like setting your primary internet connection to "metered", but it's way easier to just do it with the policy. ('ω')

People who spread security FUD are just the absolute, the worst. The obviously nonsensical fearmongering remarks like "a Windows XP system exposed to the internet will be hacked in seconds!" just disgust me. It's worse than the worst religious or political indoctrination because at least those people don't have the capacity to know any better. I don't believe for a second you guys actually think that way. If you can't recognize that there is a difference between a personal computer and a business computer or a datacenter then YOU are the one who needs to stop giving advice. Nobody is getting "hacked" because they turned off Windows Defender. Ugh. Attitudes like this are why I don't come to these forums much anymore.
 
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Re: How to turn off windows 10 os update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:32 pm

This thread was created by a stealth spammer. One of those sign up, create what appears to be meaningful content, wait many days, and then add advertising links.

Given the origination of this thread and that Waco has answered this topic correctly, it's time to lock this up.

It's for the best. As a few posters in this thread have got me itching to post my Nathan Fillion GIF.
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