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jihadjoe wrote:IMO the best, and at the same time worst part of Linux is how you are free to infinitely tweak it to suit your needs.
It makes Linux incredibly versatile if you know what you're doing, but at the same time the tweaker culture behind it also raises the bar for users. You're expected to spend time and effort learning how to do things a lot more so than vs OSX or Windows, and that excludes the greater majority of potential users.
derFunkenstein wrote:called it
Looking for Knowledge wrote:When drunk.....
I want to have sex, but find I am more likely to be shot down than when I am sober.
Heiwashin wrote:Me too. This is gonna end up becoming a tr drinking game.
just brew it! wrote:Heiwashin wrote:Me too. This is gonna end up becoming a tr drinking game.
I think it already is. Or at least, I find these threads much more amusing when I've been drinking.
And this is coming from a committed (more than a half-decade now) Linux developer and user...
Waco wrote:The worst enemies of Linux adoption are the tenacious Linux users, in my experience.
Waco wrote:just brew it! wrote:Heiwashin wrote:Me too. This is gonna end up becoming a tr drinking game.
I think it already is. Or at least, I find these threads much more amusing when I've been drinking.
And this is coming from a committed (more than a half-decade now) Linux developer and user...
Ditto.
The worst enemies of Linux adoption are the tenacious Linux users, in my experience.
just brew it! wrote:We've been around this block at least a dozen times before.
derFunkenstein wrote:The most zealous, vocal Linux users who have to tell everyone they use Linux any time the topic of PCs comes up make door-to-door salespeople look positively docile.just brew it! wrote:We've been around this block at least a dozen times before.
This.
derFunkenstein wrote:I don't think that matters. Some folks have built their identity around it, and honestly, I don't want to build my identity around an operating system. It's like macOS in that way.
whm1974 wrote:derFunkenstein wrote:I don't think that matters. Some folks have built their identity around it, and honestly, I don't want to build my identity around an operating system. It's like macOS in that way.
Or the AmigaOS folks? Amazing enough you can still buy PowerPC boards to put this on, or use old PowerPC based Macs instead.
derFunkenstein wrote:The most zealous, vocal Linux users who have to tell everyone they use Linux any time the topic of PCs comes up make door-to-door salespeople look positively docile.
Waco wrote:But yeah, we've been through this before.
Airmantharp wrote:This is worst for people like myself that are learning about Linux.
I get servers- today, and twenty years ago when I ran hlds for an in-house Counter-Strike server. I get attempting to use it as a sole desktop OS, so long as there's nothing that you *require* Windows for, or you can run a dual-boot or VM as needed.
But what really gets me are the Linux gaming evangelists. Square peg, round hole, and 'building their identity around it' is just getting started.
Thin Man wrote:Let's be fair, I kinda like penguins...Although I do have to say I've never found a six foot one that could run a hundred miles an hour...But then again, I'm not Finnish or Swedish...I guess it makes a difference...
whm1974 wrote:Airmantharp wrote:But what really gets me are the Linux gaming evangelists. Square peg, round hole, and 'building their identity around it' is just getting started.
You can play games just fine with Linux depending on which games you want to play. Plus if you are willing to use Wine that ups the amount of games quite a bit. Not perfect however.
whm1974 wrote:Airmantharp wrote:This is worst for people like myself that are learning about Linux.
I get servers- today, and twenty years ago when I ran hlds for an in-house Counter-Strike server. I get attempting to use it as a sole desktop OS, so long as there's nothing that you *require* Windows for, or you can run a dual-boot or VM as needed.
But what really gets me are the Linux gaming evangelists. Square peg, round hole, and 'building their identity around it' is just getting started.
You can play games just fine with Linux depending on which games you want to play. Plus if you are willing to use Wine that ups the amount of games quite a bit. Not perfect however.
Airmantharp wrote:I get that. I'm talking about those for whom Linux is a religion, and they apply that fervor to Linux Gaming.
The challenge with Linux gaming is really very clear: unless a game was built with it in mind, it either has to be hand-ported (if it uses OpenGL/Vulkan) or wrapped (if it uses DX), and generally speaking this means that most AAA-games are not going to be positive experiences right now.
This is changing, slowly, as the major engine developers take Valve's cue and try to ensure compatibility with the Debian-based SteamOS standard, but it'll be slow, and that religious fervor that the Linux faithful apply to anything computing works overtime to push people away and toward the Windows solution that just works.
Redocbew wrote:Thin Man wrote:Let's be fair, I kinda like penguins...Although I do have to say I've never found a six foot one that could run a hundred miles an hour...But then again, I'm not Finnish or Swedish...I guess it makes a difference...
Little known fact: There is a species of subterranean penguin living underneath the Bonneville salt flats. Now and then small dust clouds can be seen there which are often mistaken for prototype vehicle testing. It's the penguins, and they bite.
Airmantharp wrote:But what really gets me are the Linux gaming evangelists. Square peg, round hole, and 'building their identity around it' is just getting started.... that religious fervor that the Linux faithful apply to anything computing works overtime to push people away and toward the Windows solution that just works.
whm1974 wrote:You can play games just fine with Linux...
just brew it! wrote:You've just reinforced his point quite nicely.... Until new GPUs routinely get feature-complete and stable Linux driver support, Linux will be a second-class OS for gaming.
JustAnEngineer wrote:If I had more time this morning, I would link to three or four previous whm1974 threads where we've covered this topic before.
Four decades ago, a friend of mine was delighted to show me an IBM PC/XT software emulator running on his Amiga 1000. It ran rather slowly, but it played the X86 MSDOS version of Moria faithfully on the Amiga's 7.2 MHz Motorola 68000, providing the performance of a 1.2 MHz Intel 8088. My friend told me that "It's now how fast the bear dances--It's that the bear dances at all."
For the hundred dollar cost of Microsoft Windows, you could avoid a tremendous amount of headache and have a much better gaming experience.
Airmantharp wrote:[and JBI, fair point about drivers- don't know if/when we'll actually ever get parity there either]