cass wrote:Skrying wrote:.... just like you shouldn't force a comparison of Windows XP vs Ubuntu 8.10.
Why not? What killer thing can you do with Ubuntu 8.10 that cannot be done in XP? If you compare functionality and ease of use Linux ain't even in the race.... forget it. and now for another reason why its never going to be....[SDG]Mantis wrote:End User wrote:I love how Ubuntu Server is command line only. WTF?
Many Linux servers don't even have monitors attached to them. I've got a friend who uses Linux extensively for servers and has almost never touched Gnome, KDE, or any other GUI window manager.Forge wrote:MOST SERVERS ARE NOT IN YOUR ROOM AT HOME. Most servers are remotely administrated. The command-line plus SSH and formerly telnet are time-honored ways to remotely administrate non-Windows boxen. Your insistence that 'SERVER == GUI' is simply not applicable.
** minor sarcasm to follow... linux evangelicals should gather up their skirt and move away from sharp objects.
Most Linux Lunatics Like it in the dark. See they think its much better to telnet in on a 200 baud modem have 25 80 character lines available for your total information dispersal/viewing pleasure. That works great if you get paid by the hour, and don't care if you ever get anything done. For some reason the mythical "server" will not work if it has to put up too much information at once, or allow users to easily modify and fix things, and "servers" work different than the whole rest of the universe. where its normally better to have lots of information available to you when you are working on something, when working on a "server" its much better to work one line at a time, and don't even thing about being able to copy/paste or recall what you just did.... any self respecting "server" god wouldn't even consider doing anything other than representing with his mad 400 word per minute VI skillz. Where the whole rest of the computing universe is loving some multiple desktop/multiple terminal window multitasking nirvana, "servers" should never progress. Reading a 25,000 page MAN guide is great on a 25 line screen. I recommend it as a good waste of 8hrs anyday. Hell it wouldn't make a bit of sense to be able to have the man page in one window and your terminal in another window typing while you are reading. And just thing how freaking completely idiotic it would be to have multiple windows up with google searches, and your own repository of old cli commands where you could just copy and paste right in without mistyping anything..... Damn that man.... GUI's suck I mean why would any self respecting "server" god not want to type every command over and over. And then there is the overhead issue, these modern server processors just don't have the spare cycles to be throwing down the drain running a GUI... I mean my god it would probably take 10% of one core of a 16 core server to run just the GUI... OH hell no!!! It makes more sense to just go commando CLI on one TTY than to risk that additional .625% load crashing the almighty "server".just brew it! wrote:Forge, you're not helping matters. If you're really trying to make a case for Linux, be aware that militant Linux evangelism drives as many people away as it attracts. (Hint: This is TR, not /. )
Nah forge is helping, I'd be edgy in his shoes too. He needs a job to calm his nerves a little. After stuggling with several forms of linux and freebsd, no militant evangelism drove me away, it was merely my own need to get something useful done, and the realization that there were never going to be any tools for my trade available for linux that were supported/stable enough to invest in.
axeman wrote:jinjuku wrote:From the Synaptic Package Manager I installed nautilus core. From the command line I sudo apt-get install nautilus-share. Seems to install. But there is no GUI for it in the Admin menu... Ridiculous.
The Administration menu has nothing to do with nautilus, so there's no reason to expect anything there. You're failing to put any effort into learning what you're trying to use, and you have the balls to bitch about it? Open some location with nautilus, right click on a folder, and choose "sharing options", that is where the nautilus-share extension will be found. Sheesh. Expecting results without any foreknowledge and just blindly installing stuff is as ridiculous in a Windows context as it is Linux. You already know how to set things up on Windows, but it's probably been so long since you learned it you think it's easier since it's second nature now. I doubt anyone learned everything about Windows networking in a day or a week. It's unfathomable to conclude that just because something is different it is inferior. Leave that to racists.
FireGryphon wrote:I feel his pain when he gets lost in the dark, and the Linux fans who brought him there aren't willing to give him a candle.
jinjuku wrote:Installing JRE and Open Office, lets be honest, shouldn't be a monumental task.
Corith wrote:OMG. I've wanted to use this link for the past 5 minutes:
http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q ... sitory&l=1
danny e. wrote:it appears that the common feeling here is that Linux just plain sucks as a desktop OS.
only half joking.
I have to learn. That is too much of an undertaking for me
Forge wrote:titan: You might want to prune that -N out of there. That's telling portage to check for USE flag changes on every emerge, and if you do more than 1 or 2 merges in a day, that's doing nothing but making portage DB churn. Do you change USE daily? We get OT, nevermind.
End User wrote:I almost cried when I read through this post!
For the past few weeks I have been looking over Ubuntu Desktop/Server/Studio. I am mainly interested in Server but, as an amateur photographer, I was looking at Desktop and Studio as well. I totally agree that one should not have to dig around for a command line solution to install software (I used that Softpedia link over the weekend to update to OO 3.0) and I don't want to wait until some higher authority gets around to adding it to the list of available apps. All I want to do is download a fraking installer and double click on it. What's so hard about that!
I love how Ubuntu Server is command line only. WTF? Sure, hit a home run with your diehard users but come on! So, after installing the GUI onto Server, I still have to run around and look for GUI front end tools for standard server features. Sigh. I want to use Linux as a tool, not create a new hobby. I hate to say it but I don't have the time to go through these hoops. I'm just an end user.
One more thing: it is rather puzzling to me that the Ubuntu Studio installer process recognized my BT keyboard/mouse yet the installed OS does not!