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just brew it! wrote:So it looks like Google released a Chrome beta for Linux recently. Maybe I just missed the announcement, but it seems like it was not publicized much. I'm trying it out at work today (and will try it at home tonight as well). So far I like it better than Firefox...
Pre-packaged binaries for the major desktop distros (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, SUSE) are available for download from Google.
Edit: So there have been Linux beta releases of Chrome since sometime in December? Guess I haven't been paying attention...
Shining Arcanine wrote:I have been using Chrome on Gentoo Linux for a while. It works nicely and is faster than Firefox, but ad blocking is a bit of a problem. Either you deal with annoying advertisements, or you install an addon that will hide advertisements shortly after they load, which is annoying in a subliminal message kind of way.
titan wrote:Shining Arcanine wrote:I have been using Chrome on Gentoo Linux for a while. It works nicely and is faster than Firefox, but ad blocking is a bit of a problem. Either you deal with annoying advertisements, or you install an addon that will hide advertisements shortly after they load, which is annoying in a subliminal message kind of way.
Chrome or Chromium? I haven't gotten around to trying the Chrome ebuild on bugs.
Shining Arcanine wrote:titan wrote:Shining Arcanine wrote:I have been using Chrome on Gentoo Linux for a while. It works nicely and is faster than Firefox, but ad blocking is a bit of a problem. Either you deal with annoying advertisements, or you install an addon that will hide advertisements shortly after they load, which is annoying in a subliminal message kind of way.
Chrome or Chromium? I haven't gotten around to trying the Chrome ebuild on bugs.
Chromium actually. I cannot tell the difference between Chrome and Chromium. I have no idea why there are different brandings.
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just brew it! wrote:Hit one annoying issue with Chrome yesterday. On Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (which is what's running on my desktop at work) Chrome won't print. No matter what printer I try to print to (or if I print to PDF file), I just get a single blank page. It prints fine on 9.10 (what I'm running at home).
The work box will probably get upgraded to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS shortly after it comes out; if there isn't a simple solution to the printing issue, I can probably live with it until then. I really don't need to make hardcopies of web pages all that much; heck, it took me 4 days to notice that printing didn't work! If I really need to print something, I can still reopen the page in Firefox.
just brew it! wrote:Turns out that the Ubuntu repository tracks the Chrome betas pretty closely
just brew it! wrote:There's a fine balance between getting the latest and greatest, and being too bleeding edge. The non-LTS Ubuntu releases push that envelope already...
Turns out that the Ubuntu repository tracks the Chrome betas pretty closely; I had installed from the .deb available on Google's site as of about a week ago; today Ubuntu's update tool pulled in and installed a new version already. There have been other occasional printing issues on 8.04 LTS, so I suspect this problem is more with the Ubuntu 8.04 LTS release than with Chrome.
While I might be willing to give Gentoo a try at home, cutting over to it at work is probably not going to happen. All of our non-Windows systems at the office are Debian or Ubuntu (which is a Debian derivative); introducing another distro into the mix is probably unwise. Corporate IT is iffy enough about us using Linux in the first place!
just brew it! wrote:While I might be willing to give Gentoo a try at home, cutting over to it at work is probably not going to happen.
bitvector wrote:just brew it! wrote:While I might be willing to give Gentoo a try at home, cutting over to it at work is probably not going to happen.
Also, Gentoo's model of how a distro works is exactly what you don't want for maintaining a large set of systems in a work environment. The benefit of custom-compiled packages and rolling releases is mostly unrealized in that context and it becomes a liability. In a work environment, you generally want every machine running the same binaries so they are uniform and interchangeable and you want a very conservative update paradigm. That's what RHEL and Debian stable follow. You don't want every machine to be its own unique snowflake, which is what happens when you run a rolling-release, compiled distro like Gentoo. Also, if you're constantly compiling updates on N machines, you're wasting a huge amount of resources. Sure, you could build standardized packages in one place for all of your Gentoo machines with the same flags and push them out, but then you're just doing the exact same thing that a binary distro's release engineers do except you're replicating all the effort of binary distros yourself.
bitvector wrote:Also, Gentoo's model of how a distro works is exactly what you don't want for maintaining a large set of systems in a work environment.
just brew it! wrote:bitvector wrote:Also, Gentoo's model of how a distro works is exactly what you don't want for maintaining a large set of systems in a work environment.
Well... it's not exactly a "large set of systems" (yet); the Software Engineering group has mostly migrated to Linux, but everyone else is still on Windows. I'm already the "odd man out" in that I'm running Ubuntu; our in-house Linux guru is a Debian guy, so that's what most of the Linux boxes run.
Yes, I could switch... but I'd lose some of the benefit of the expertise of our in-house Linux guru (he's been quite helpful so far, since I'm still running a Debian derivative). And most of my non-Debian/Ubuntu Linux experience has been with Redhat/Fedora... not sure I want to come up the learning curve on a third Linux ecosystem just yet.
etilena wrote:All of the Gentoo people I know moved to Arch and then most of them eventually ditched Arch after experiencing continual breakage and boners. I tried out Arch for maybe ten months on my laptop and netbook. I liked it initially, but I got sick of stuff breaking on every update. The last straw was when updating Python from 2.5 to 2.6 caused pacman to remove system's init scripts. That hosed the system and I got rid of Arch. That same day another friend of mine tried a large system update (~600MB of packages) and pacman core-dumped during the update, hosing the system. He switched to Ubuntu and I went back to Debian on our respective laptops.Just a side query. Anyone here who's both tried Arch Linux and Gentoo, and which do you prefer?
etilena wrote:Just discovered Chrome/Chromium for Linux probably a couple of weeks ago. The performance is like night and day on my Eee PC, with Firefox being very sluggish as it is slow to startup, and it pauses when scrolling up and down pages. Using the .deb package from Google for Ubuntu, and did a binary install of Chromium from the user repositories for Arch Linux. Performance is very snappy on Atom hardware I'd say.
All the versions I've installed so far seem to be compatible with extensions and I use Xmarks just to synchronise my bookmarks across computers.
Just a side query. Anyone here who's both tried Arch Linux and Gentoo, and which do you prefer?
Shining Arcanine wrote:just brew it! wrote:bitvector wrote:Also, Gentoo's model of how a distro works is exactly what you don't want for maintaining a large set of systems in a work environment.
Well... it's not exactly a "large set of systems" (yet); the Software Engineering group has mostly migrated to Linux, but everyone else is still on Windows. I'm already the "odd man out" in that I'm running Ubuntu; our in-house Linux guru is a Debian guy, so that's what most of the Linux boxes run.
Yes, I could switch... but I'd lose some of the benefit of the expertise of our in-house Linux guru (he's been quite helpful so far, since I'm still running a Debian derivative). And most of my non-Debian/Ubuntu Linux experience has been with Redhat/Fedora... not sure I want to come up the learning curve on a third Linux ecosystem just yet.
The Gentoo forums are full of people who are extremely helpful. People there usually manage to solve other people's problems for them quickly.