flip-mode wrote:I've got 8 in a VM now. I'm not sure if the new UI is clunky or if it just takes getting used to. The more I fiddle the more I think it's the latter. But I also think MS could have put more thought into how a desktop user can manipulate the Start Page with the mouse. For instance, just being able to click the background and drag things from side to side would be nice.
Having said that, MS does seem to have put plenty of thought into how the keyboard works. There are a bunch of shortcuts:
http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2012/06/th ... shortcuts/
Keyboard interaction seems to be very valuable if not critical to efficient navigation of the OS. Using the mouse seems clunky - at least in a virtual machine.
I also installed Revit and a Revit program tile was added to the start page - useful.
Edit: Oh, and I think Krogoth is totally missing the point. Sure, MS is putting it's own app store into place. But I think the real purpose of Windows 8 is to introduce some truly touch-centric thinking into the OS.
Krogoth wrote:Windows 8 is all about micro-transactions. Microsoft wants to a piece of the Apple and Android store marketshare. Window 8's primary target has never been the traditional PC desktop users. It is mainstream crowd who is currently into portable platforms that typically work with touchscreens. That's why the UI leans heavily towards such users. The classical desktop is still there though, but that leaves Windows 8 being nothing more than a service pack of Windows 7.
derFunkenstein wrote:I just cannot believe some of the comparisons being made in this thread.
flip-mode wrote:AbRASiON wrote:"Windows 8, sell me on it"
"AIDS, sell me on it"
"Cigarettes, sell me on it"
Very reasonable comparisons you've made there
Ryu Connor wrote:brave new world
Ryu Connor wrote:Linux and Mac will not benefit from this and frankly, Mac is also marching in this direction.
Ryu Connor wrote:Not sure why. IT people work in an industry defined by change and are among the most resistant to it.
Ryu Connor wrote:Win8 is the first step toward their eventual destination.
flip-mode wrote:l-g, you make the most hyperbolic statements possible. The fact that you can't tone down your rhetoric is really frustrating. Where Windows 8 might inflict a paper cut you make it out to be a beheading. Then a person reading your comments has two options: embrace the obviously overblown nonsense that you're spouting, or totally dismiss you. If you could keep yourself from sensationalizing every point you want to make, your comments would be a lot more useful. As it is, your comments sound like the ravings of an emotionally/mentally unstable tinfoil salesman.
flip-mode wrote:And the suggestion that gaming on Linux will bring down Windows is so monumentally clueless that I feel like a tool for even addressing it. People have needs beyond gaming. Until you get Adobe and Autodesk and some other ISVs to port everything to Linux and until you can talk all the Windows network sysadmins into making the switch, Windows will be a dominant presence. Forget Linux, even Apple hasn't been able to displace Windows from corporate networks.
flip-mode wrote:( I feel quite foolish for wasting my time typing this up. )
flip-mode wrote:It seems as if you so badly want an enemy that you'll put words in my mouth if I'm not saying something that's already objectionable enough for you.
flip-mode wrote:I have not /ever/ said it is incomprehensible that someone would not like Windows 8. All I have said is that you're overblowing pretty much every point you want to make,
flip-mode wrote:and I also had the audacity to ask you to provide some supporting information for something you said (and it really seems to piss you off most that someone would ask you to support anything you say with actual information).
flip-mode wrote:You're spouting a bunch of garbage, and you engage in character assassination when I point it out. It's poor form, very poor.
Yes, Windows 8 is quite different, but Linux is still more different
No matter how painful moving to Windows 8 may be, it still runs Windows software and admin tools; changing those will hurt most people (and most IT shops) more than dealing with the new Start screen
Windows 8 isn't really the competition anyway—Windows 7 is
l33t-g4m3r wrote:W8 on ARM doesn't allow 18+ games on it's app store
Savyg wrote:l33t-g4m3r wrote:W8 on ARM doesn't allow 18+ games on it's app store
The PEGI 18 restriction was removed. AO titles and titles with nudity will still not be allowed.
So since most physical and digital stores won't carry those either, I don't see your point.
l33t-g4m3r wrote:Regardless, Microsoft has the ability to censor and gateway programs on the app store. Perhaps some people don't like that they have that capability.
Captain Ned wrote:l33t-g4m3r wrote:Regardless, Microsoft has the ability to censor and gateway programs on the app store. Perhaps some people don't like that they have that capability.
OK, I open an app store. Obviously, anyone with an issue will come after me as the owner of said store. Am I going to approve each app headed for the store, and categorically deny some? OF COURSE.
Captain Ned wrote:OMG, MS won't allow AO content on their app store!!! THEY'RE CENSORING!!!. Of course they are. Grow up and realize that your fantasy of unrestricted total access only works with those websites that get sued and prosecuted all the time.
l33t-g4m3r wrote:Sure, as it's your store, but when it's the ONLY store available and you're taking a cut from the guys doing all the work, then there's a BIG problem.
Captain Ned wrote:l33t-g4m3r wrote:Sure, as it's your store, but when it's the ONLY store available and you're taking a cut from the guys doing all the work, then there's a BIG problem.
So you believe MS should be forced to approve/sell anything submitted to its store, AO included? If not, what are the pertinent criteria? Are you claiming monopsony is equally evil as monopoly?
onlysublime wrote:Linux fans clinging to the hope that it will finally be their day among the masses are going to continue to be severely disappointed. And thinking that Valve will be the savior of Linux is pretty foolish. Steam is great but it has restrictions like any other marketplace. You see companies like FarSight Studios pleading with their fans to vote in number so that Pinball Arcade gets greenlit by Valve.
l33t-g4m3r wrote:LOL. Quite funny, and Valve would be a huge market driver, being the biggest digital distributor of games around. It doesn't matter how Valve runs it's store either, since linux is an open platform. The real improvements are from increased driver and software support, and bigger userbase. Linux costs nothing to try, and steam should encourage gamers tired of windows to try something new, provided everything works out of the box hassle free. Once things get to an acceptable level, people will stop buying windows.