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nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:24 am

Just saw this:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13797/nv ... e-branding

Is hell freezing over? I am now seriously contemplating a 1080 or similar.

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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:42 am

Nice, I guess, if it works. Great news, and well done NVIDIA for supporting open standards.

But ... I'm going to hold off for a while, and see how others fare, as history suggests this might be a feature that has a few issues for reasons. It's not going to be something that gets a lot of testing from reviewers, and I'd worry that if I e.g. ditched my RX Vega 56 immediately for an RTX 2070 then I could well end up have a frustrating experience that could nudge me towards replacing the £500 2015 monitor not the £500 2019 GPU ... :evil:
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:41 am

Thank goodness the silly charade is over. I suspect that Nvidia did this because they didn't want to be jump by Navi in the mid-range market and RTX uptake has been fairly weak while they still have a healthy stock of Pascal units from the mining crash.

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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:49 am

I think it might have been Intel hinting that they'll support VESA Adaptive Sync that tipped Nvidia over the edge on this one. They can't pass Freesync off as just AMD's standard anymore when the biggest manufacturer in PC is supporting it.
 
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:00 am

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/g-sync-ces-2019-announcements/
Currently validated FreeSync monitors to be supported include:
Acer XFA240
Acer XG270HU
Acer XV273K
Acer XZ321Q
Argon AG241QG4
AOC G2590FX
Asus MG278Q
Asus XG248
Asus VG258Q
Asus XG258
Asus VG278Q
BenQ XL2740
Looks like they just started testing alphabetically. Not sure why they "tested 400 monitors" when they could've cut their workload down by an order of magnitude using AMD's Monitor Repository
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:18 am

This made me chuckle:
At any rate, NVIDIA says they have tested over 400 monitors so far, and of those monitors 12 will be making their initial compatibility list. Which is a rather low pass rate – and indicating that NVIDIA’s standards aren’t going to be very loose here – but it still covers a number of popular monitors from Acer, ASUS, Agon, AOC, and bringing up the rest of the alphabet, BenQ.

So I guess Nvidia is methodically marching through the vendors in alphabetic order with their testing. Viewsonic is gonna be waiting a while... :lol:

Edit: Oh, DPete27 already sort of commented on this...
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:44 am

auxy wrote:
https://techreport.com/news/34369/nvidia-expands-g-sync-to-encompass-adaptive-sync-displays


Oops, I somehow missed the techreport news. However, I got the Anand article in my Twitter feed. Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:05 am

Welp, guess that means that my XL2730Z is not supported after all, thanks NVIDIA. When's Arcturus landing? :wink:
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:09 am

ptsant wrote:
auxy wrote:
https://techreport.com/news/34369/nvidia-expands-g-sync-to-encompass-adaptive-sync-displays

Oops, I somehow missed the techreport news. However, I got the Anand article in my Twitter feed. Thanks for the heads up.


Well your post was ahead of TR news by about an hour so no fault of yours.
 
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:15 am

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Welp, guess that means that my XL2730Z is not supported after all, thanks NVIDIA. When's Arcturus landing? :wink:

Not necessarily. Lack of certification just means it won't be enabled by default. You can still turn it on manually (maybe it'll work, maybe it won't).
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:31 am

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Not necessarily. Lack of certification just means it won't be enabled by default. You can still turn it on manually (maybe it'll work, maybe it won't).

Yeah, but it's a £500 monitor and I don't want to spend my next £500 of GPU money on a basis of "maybe it won't work" ...

Which means that NVIDIA has put itself into contention for my money, but not straight away in Q1'19 as (unfortunately) on such a basis it'll have to be only once I'm nearly ready to replace my monitor, which will be once it's possible to buy for reasonably money both one that does UHD at 120+ Hz and a GPU which can deliver at that level. Sad.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:02 am

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just brew it! wrote:
Not necessarily. Lack of certification just means it won't be enabled by default. You can still turn it on manually (maybe it'll work, maybe it won't).

Yeah, but it's a £500 monitor and I don't want to spend my next £500 of GPU money on a basis of "maybe it won't work" ...

Which means that NVIDIA has put itself into contention for my money, but not straight away in Q1'19 as (unfortunately) on such a basis it'll have to be only once I'm nearly ready to replace my monitor, which will be once it's possible to buy for reasonably money both one that does UHD at 120+ Hz and a GPU which can deliver at that level. Sad.

If you know someone else with an Nvidia GPU you could take your monitor to their place and do a test.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:18 am

Man it's about freakin time.

Obviously this is as much news for shareholders as it is for users, as Navi sounds like great competition and they haven't really finished testing. (Eurogamer says there are another 100 monitors still being tested.)

I was just about to let go of my 1070 for Navi...I still might, but now it depends.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:31 am

Topinio wrote:
just brew it! wrote:
Not necessarily. Lack of certification just means it won't be enabled by default. You can still turn it on manually (maybe it'll work, maybe it won't).

Yeah, but it's a £500 monitor and I don't want to spend my next £500 of GPU money on a basis of "maybe it won't work" ...

Which means that NVIDIA has put itself into contention for my money, but not straight away in Q1'19 as (unfortunately) on such a basis it'll have to be only once I'm nearly ready to replace my monitor, which will be once it's possible to buy for reasonably money both one that does UHD at 120+ Hz and a GPU which can deliver at that level. Sad.


Somebody on the internet will definitely post whether it's working. I am a bit annoyed to see confirmed support for Asus MG248Q but NOT MG249Q, which I own. Did they stop counting at 8 or something?
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:35 am

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I am a bit annoyed to see confirmed support for Asus MG248Q but NOT MG249Q, which I own. Did they stop counting at 8 or something?

"C'mon guys, you haven't even started on the 'B's yet? Get a move on!"

"OK, fine... we'll skip the rest of these Asus displays and move on to Benq..."
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:46 am

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Topinio wrote:
just brew it! wrote:
Not necessarily. Lack of certification just means it won't be enabled by default. You can still turn it on manually (maybe it'll work, maybe it won't).

Yeah, but it's a £500 monitor and I don't want to spend my next £500 of GPU money on a basis of "maybe it won't work" ...

Which means that NVIDIA has put itself into contention for my money, but not straight away in Q1'19 as (unfortunately) on such a basis it'll have to be only once I'm nearly ready to replace my monitor, which will be once it's possible to buy for reasonably money both one that does UHD at 120+ Hz and a GPU which can deliver at that level. Sad.


Somebody on the internet will definitely post whether it's working. I am a bit annoyed to see confirmed support for Asus MG248Q but NOT MG249Q, which I own. Did they stop counting at 8 or something?


It seems Nvidia's validation list are Freesync units that are equipment with the same feature set as G-Sync 1.0 (ULBM, 40-144 range minimal) monitors. Basically, if your Freesync panel has a G-Sync counterpart. There's a very good chance that it'll work with Nvidia's implemtation of VESA VRR spec without incident. My ASUS MG278Q manages to get the official nod.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:59 am

Krogoth wrote:
It seems Nvidia's validation list are Freesync units that are equipment with the same feature set as G-Sync 1.0 (ULBM, 40-144 range minimal) monitors. Basically, if your Freesync panel has a G-Sync counterpart. There's a very good chance that it'll work with Nvidia's implemtation of VESA VRR spec without incident. My ASUS MG278Q manages to get the official nod.

Hmm.....my Samsung C32HG70 is 48-144hz, so I guess we'll have to wait and see. That'd suck if it didn't work because of a measly 8hz
 
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:21 am

DPete27 wrote:
Looks like they just started testing alphabetically.
Ugh, now I regret buying a Samsung
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:29 am

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Hmm.....my Samsung C32HG70 is 48-144hz, so I guess we'll have to wait and see. That'd suck if it didn't work because of a measly 8hz

If you've gotten the firmware updates, I believe the spec was expanded.
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:54 am

Duct Tape Dude wrote:
DPete27 wrote:
Looks like they just started testing alphabetically.

Ugh, now I regret buying a Samsung

At least you didn't buy a Viewsonic!
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:07 pm

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Zenith?

Didn't think they were still around.
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Zenith?

Didn't think they were still around.

It looks like they are owned by GE now.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:29 pm

From what I can see, everything in Nvidia's list so far is a minimum of 144Hz.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:43 pm

But it's not everything with an interval of 40-144 Hz ...
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:18 pm

I don't get why they have to test every individual monitor, that's the point of a specification, if they implement the VESA VRR properly then it should work with any compliant monitor. Is this an indication that they aren't actually implementing the spec properly, or that the spec is not robust in some way leaving room for error / doubt. I get that they want to wrap their nvidia / g-sync branding around it, rather than use the open spec terminology. But it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in nvidia being a fair player towards consumers when they muddy the water with vagueness around compatibility.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:22 pm

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I don't get why they have to test every individual monitor, that's the point of a specification, if they implement the VESA VRR properly then it should work with any compliant monitor. Is this an indication that they aren't actually implementing the spec properly, or that the spec is not robust in some way leaving room for error / doubt. I get that they want to wrap their nvidia / g-sync branding around it, rather than use the open spec terminology. But it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in nvidia being a fair player towards consumers when they muddy the water with vagueness around compatibility.

Sounds to me like their testing isn't just for (or may be partially orthogonal to) VESA compliance. Perhaps dealing with things which are not covered in the VESA spec, but which Nvidia feels (whether for technical or marketing reasons) are necessary for the "G-Sync experience".
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:38 pm

I don't care too much about the G-Sync approval list as long as they implement the spec properly and don't remove the manual toggle sometime down the line (though that's unlikely given the kickback they'd probably experience).
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:57 pm

I read through the press-release and didn't really see it mentioned how far back support would go. Is it purely drivers so it would apply to all generations of video cards. I'm interested if the Quadro M1200 in my laptop would work.

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