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Any Intel workers post here?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:49 pm

I wish I could work for them. Oh well--probably not going to happen. Wonder if any inside people post here (obviously--don't give you real name or department).
 
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Re: Any Intel workers post here?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:55 pm

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I wish I could work for them. Oh well--probably not going to happen. Wonder if any inside people post here (obviously--don't give you real name or department).

They've actually got a bit of a reputation for not being a particularly nice place to work. Ever heard of this site?

Edit: I realize that site is hardly unbiased. But it seems that there are an awful lot of disgruntled current and former Intel employees... that site has been around for something like 10 years.
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Re: Any Intel workers post here?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:58 pm

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Cybert wrote:
I wish I could work for them. Oh well--probably not going to happen. Wonder if any inside people post here (obviously--don't give you real name or department).

They've actually got a bit of a reputation for not being a particularly nice place to work. Ever heard of this site?


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Re: Any Intel workers post here?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:22 pm

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I wish I could work for them. Oh well--probably not going to happen. Wonder if any inside people post here (obviously--don't give you real name or department).


Why?

I know several people and relatives/friends of people that worked for Intel. They do seem to pay quite a bit but you won't have time to enjoy your earnings. They give a new meaning to the expression "hard-earned cash".

From people in processor development department I heard about crazy 80+ hour weeks. Not much of a personal life with such schedules. Not too sure about their other departments but probably fairly close.

Personally, I would much rather work for AMD. The closest I got to that is getting an offer to work for ATI last year. If I went there instead of my current position, I could be working for AMD now :D. I pass the ATI building on way to work every day and wonder when they change their sign to AMD.
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Re: Any Intel workers post here?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:26 pm

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Cybert wrote:
I wish I could work for them. Oh well--probably not going to happen. Wonder if any inside people post here (obviously--don't give you real name or department).


Why?

I know several people and relatives/friends of people that worked for Intel. They do seem to pay quite a bit but you won't have time to enjoy your earnings. They give a new meaning to the expression "hard-earned cash".

From people in processor development department I heard about crazy 80+ hour weeks. Not much of a personal life with such schedules. Not too sure about their other departments but probably fairly close.

Personally, I would much rather work for AMD. The closest I got to that is getting an offer to work for ATI last year. If I went there instead of my current position, I could be working for AMD now :D. I pass the ATI building on way to work every day and when they change their sign to AMD.


Well, they seem like a good company. The latest shakeout probably made them more efficient, and hopefully they will start hiring soon. I heard they have paid internship available too.
 
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I'm not, but I sorta kinda know a guy who does work for Intel. He's my sister-in-law's best friend's boyfriend/fiance/husband (one of the three, I forgot which), and I met him a couple of years back when my brother got married. He said that he had been the lead for the design team which worked on the Prescott's L1 cache, but whether that's true or not, I don't know- he seemed rather young to be a team lead on something that was that big of a deal (he was probably 27 at the time, give or take a year). He definitely is an Intel employee, though, because he told me a day or two before Prescott was released that it had a 31-stage pipeline, and I thought he was kidding, but it turned out to be true. He said he was working on the Nehalem project next, but what he's working on these days I don't know. If you have any specific questions for him, I'd be glad to pass them along.

P.S. - No, I won't pass along insults about how crappy Prescott was. :wink:
 
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Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:36 pm

I was offered a job at Intel back when I graduated college (1984). Didn't take it though...
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Re: Any Intel workers post here?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:54 pm

Intel has regularly appeared on Fortune's "Top 100 Best Companies to Work For" and is oftenin the top 50 among "large companies." With any company you'll find people who love it and people who hate it. People who hate it usually leave. And these days, they then start a website. When I was in my 20s I loved going in to work on days off or staying late to do extra stuff. I was doing the same playing with computers I did in college, but now I was getting paid to do it (and getting paid to play with equipment I either couldn't afford or couldn't afford to keep up to date). My priorities are different now, but I had no problem with it then. People who would rather have leisure time (or would rather spend their leisure time on something not work-related) should pick a different vocation.
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I know several people and relatives/friends of people that worked for Intel. They do seem to pay quite a bit but you won't have time to enjoy your earnings. They give a new meaning to the expression "hard-earned cash".
Welcome to high tech. Remember all the cube monkeys sleeping in their offices during the dot com boom? It's been that way with tech companies since forever. If your company isn't lean then you're not overworked, but that also means job cuts are probably coming and your stock options are underwater and/or your employee stock/profit-sharing plan probably sucks. Or you're in a mature industry that shouldn't really call itself high tech.
Personally, I would much rather work for AMD. The closest I got to that is getting an offer to work for ATI last year. If I went there instead of my current position, I could be working for AMD now :D. I pass the ATI building on way to work every day and wonder when they change their sign to AMD.
The deal hasn't been completed yet. And I doubt working for AMD would be all that different from Intel -- in fact, less dead wood = fewer places to hide out and work 40 hours or less.
 
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Re: Any Intel workers post here?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:03 pm

Synchromesh wrote:
Cybert wrote:
I wish I could work for them. Oh well--probably not going to happen. Wonder if any inside people post here (obviously--don't give you real name or department).


Why?

I know several people and relatives/friends of people that worked for Intel. They do seem to pay quite a bit but you won't have time to enjoy your earnings. They give a new meaning to the expression "hard-earned cash".

From people in processor development department I heard about crazy 80+ hour weeks. Not much of a personal life with such schedules. Not too sure about their other departments but probably fairly close.

Personally, I would much rather work for AMD. The closest I got to that is getting an offer to work for ATI last year. If I went there instead of my current position, I could be working for AMD now :D. I pass the ATI building on way to work every day and wonder when they change their sign to AMD.

I guess its no co-incidence that you have an AMD processor and an NVidia video card then....
Try reading the book "The Pentium Chronicles" the story of the P6 development if you want a better insight into Intel.
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Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:14 pm

Well nothing you've said makes me want to give up trying! I wish I could even get an internship. I don't think they are hiring much now, for obvious reasons. But I'll keep trying. I have a computer engineering background (degree/jobs), so it seems like the perfect fit.
 
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Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:40 pm

What would one have to study in college/university to go to work in the processor design portions of AMD/Intel? Or even IBM, nvidia, etc.?

I think that'd be a really, really cool thing to do with my life, but I don't know what major that would fall under. Heh.
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What would one have to study in college/university to go to work in the processor design portions of AMD/Intel? Or even IBM, nvidia, etc.?

I think that'd be a really, really cool thing to do with my life, but I don't know what major that would fall under. Heh.


Actually I work in validation. Not nearly as sexy, I know! The degree was "computer engineering".
 
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I think I'd make a lovely shill^H^H^H^H^Hcommunity contact for some tech company.

Anybody want to put in a word at work for me? :P
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What would one have to study in college/university to go to work in the processor design portions of AMD/Intel? Or even IBM, nvidia, etc.?

I think that'd be a really, really cool thing to do with my life, but I don't know what major that would fall under. Heh.


Actually I work in validation. Not nearly as sexy, I know! The degree was "computer engineering".



well hey, my guess was actually fairly accurate. I was gonna see if there was something called "computer electrical" engy.

Considering I'm a senior, I should know more about these things already...Oh, Procrastination, how I loathe thee.
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Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:04 pm

CampinCarl wrote:
Cybert wrote:
CampinCarl wrote:
What would one have to study in college/university to go to work in the processor design portions of AMD/Intel? Or even IBM, nvidia, etc.?

I think that'd be a really, really cool thing to do with my life, but I don't know what major that would fall under. Heh.


Actually I work in validation. Not nearly as sexy, I know! The degree was "computer engineering".



well hey, my guess was actually fairly accurate. I was gonna see if there was something called "computer electrical" engy.

Considering I'm a senior, I should know more about these things already...Oh, Procrastination, how I loathe thee.


I'd describe it as between electrical engineering and computer science. Bit of a new degree.
 
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Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:06 pm

THe processor design people are almost always computer or electrical engineers.
 
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Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:31 pm

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I'd describe it as between electrical engineering and computer science. Bit of a new degree.

Only if you consider "new" to mean "introduced within the past 3 decades". It was already offered when I started college, 26 years ago.

I couldn't decide whether to major in CS, CE, or EE. In a sense, I suppose I never really decided -- my diploma says I have a degree in CS, but I took a bunch of EE courses as well! :D
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CampinCarl wrote:
What would one have to study in college/university to go to work in the processor design portions of AMD/Intel? Or even IBM, nvidia, etc.?

I think that'd be a really, really cool thing to do with my life, but I don't know what major that would fall under. Heh.

If you are interested in being involved in CPU architecture design at a large firm I would recommend at least a Masters or preferably a PHD in computer science or perhaps computational physics.
 
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Cybert wrote:
CampinCarl wrote:
What would one have to study in college/university to go to work in the processor design portions of AMD/Intel? Or even IBM, nvidia, etc.?

I think that'd be a really, really cool thing to do with my life, but I don't know what major that would fall under. Heh.


Actually I work in validation. Not nearly as sexy, I know! The degree was "computer engineering".

At Intel,validation is considered and required to be on equal status as design and product engineering.
Thats sexy enough.
 
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Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:35 pm

I worked there in 2000-2002 in PTD. It was a good experience, and they pay well, but the faceintel site is correct about the ranking and rating system.

Some people thrive on that kind of stress though, and Intel will pay for performance. A guy in my group got a 19% raise his second year there. You are expected to quantify all of your accomplishments with hard data in your semi-annual R+R.
 
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That FACE Intel site is terrible. They are incredibly biased, it's funny how they claim that Intel does this and that and the other thing, but they don't provide a shred of evidence to prove it.
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Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:22 pm

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That FACE Intel site is terrible. They are incredibly biased, it's funny how they claim that Intel does this and that and the other thing, but they don't provide a shred of evidence to prove it.

Well, the post right above yours supports at least one aspect of it.

And yeah, some people are able to thrive in that sort of environment... but there will be a lot of people who come through it emotionally scarred.

There was a place I worked around 20 years ago (not Intel), where quite a few of the people actually ended up in counseling due to the stress. I bailed out before things got anywhere near that bad for me.
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I see that in almost all "high tech" firms that I work in. Pay increases based on merit. I actually don't mind. As for the pressure, yeah I agree, if you find that unacceptable that means you are not up for the job.
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...but CS at a good school can still be > CE/EE at a mediocre one.
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CE/EE (anyE) > CS
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...but CS at a good school can still be > CE/EE at a mediocre one.

CS people will say the reverse. This "fight" is longer than Intel vs AMD or Nvidia vs Ati. It can go on its separare thread. :lol:
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Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:38 pm

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CS people will say the reverse. This "fight" is longer than Intel vs AMD or Nvidia vs Ati. It can go on its separare thread. :lol:

Well see, here's the thing...

My degree is actually CS, but I took several EE courses as well. In retrospect, I think I would've probably enjoyed CE more, but I think CS was a better choice from a career standpoint. There are more jobs out there for software people...

Edit: But having some knowledge of the underlying hardware can uniquely qualify a person for embedded firmware development, which is a sizeable niche these days.
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Bauxite wrote:
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Hey, this thread is frontpage famous!

Anyways, this is frankly true. Nowhere is this more apparent than slashdot. It's chock full of computer science types who get hard science completely wrong all the time. In fact, they can only joke about it because they don't know it. An engineer can pick up big O or languages just fine.
 
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My aunt works at Intel's wireless R&D dept., working on <a href="http://www.intel.com/netcomms/technologies/wimax/303787.pdf#search=%22intel%20wireless%20multiplexing%22">improving this kind of stuff</a>. She has a pretty normal 9-5 schedule and says it isn't too harrowing, though she doesn have to take work home in the form of running simulations on her home PC to conserve CPU time at work.
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Cybert wrote:
Bauxite wrote:
CE/EE (anyE) > CS
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Hey, this thread is frontpage famous!

Anyways, this is frankly true.

That's certainly not established with the specious "evidence" you've provided in this post.

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Nowhere is this more apparent than slashdot. It's chock full of computer science types who get hard science completely wrong all the time. In fact, they can only joke about it because they don't know it.

No, Slashdot is chock full of highschool kids and armchair computer "experts." They don't even get the computer stuff right, and they simply don't have enough grounding to be able to accurately assess their own level of knowledge. Unfortunately, most observers don't have the skills to differentiate either. Which brings me to the rest...

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An engineer can pick up big O or languages just fine.

Not only are you attempting to trivialize an entire discipline, but you also have a completely warped and insular view of what CS is. That's like saying "Gee, I can do what Leonard Bernstein does: he's just waving a stick around." This is common in fields with a low cost of entry; most high schoolers starting in the CS program think they already know it all because they don't even know what it's about. Yes, any engineer can pick up programming, but that's not CS.

That's not to say that most people with a CS degree are anything special, either. But anecdotally, I find that some of the worst problems are created by engineers that think they can code and have no idea when they are out of their element. This is when they know just enough to be dangerous. I think the phrase "total software Vietnam" is often appropriate.

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