Core-based Pentiums, Celerons coming on June 3?

We recently heard rumors that Intel plans to launch new Celeron and Pentium processors based on its Core microarchitecture some time in June. HKEPC now says it has gotten hold of more precise information that suggests those chips will hit stores on June 3.

According to HKEPC, the chips coming out on that date will include a 1.6GHz Pentium E2140 and a 1.8GHz Pentium E2160, both of which will have 1MB of L2 cache and an 800MHz front-side bus. Supposedly also joining the launch will be two Celeron chips: a 1.8GHz Celeron 430 and a 2GHz Celeron 440, both with 512KB of cache and an 800MHz FSB. HKEPC says the two Celerons will cost $49 and $59, respectively, while the Pentium E2140 will launch at $74 and the E2160 model will be priced at $84.

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    • Thorburn
    • 14 years ago

    Celeron 4xx series already exists in the form of the Celeron M 4xx, I’ve got a 410 on my desk I got off eBay for £16. Uses the Yonah core with 1MB L2 cache and a single core enabled.

    I thought the Core microarchitecture based Celeron’s were going to be the 5xx-series for laptops and E1xxx for the desktop.

      • Flying Fox
      • 14 years ago

      That changed. Initially they were thinking about the E1xxx as the single core, no planned Celerons, and not use the Pentium name. Then somehow there was a change of mind/plans and Celeron 4xx was the result and E2xxx with a Pentium name.

    • SGT Lindy
    • 14 years ago

    They have been selling Pentium Notebooks since Jan 07 with a “Pentium Dual Core” chip…I think its the T2060?

    Its just a Core Duo 1.6ghz with 1meg of cache instead of 2meg and no speed step.

    I guess its moving to the desktop. Man some fool must love that name.

    • Deli
    • 14 years ago

    These will make good email/medium gaming machines!!

      • Flying Fox
      • 14 years ago

      Originally I had my eye on the Celeron 4xx because for a regular email/surfing box you don’t really need dual core. But then no EIST bugs me. If they intend this for the “cheap” markets, wouldn’t the ability to save on power costs be a good thing also for those people?

      So looks like the least I have to get is an E2xxx, or going with a CnQ capable Sempr0n.

        • Shintai
        • 14 years ago

        EIST should be mandatory requirement. Atleast against global warming since they will sell in huge volume. AMD seems alot smarter in the value segment there.

          • Krogoth
          • 14 years ago

          Sorry, a nitpick on my part.

          It is not global warming for the last time.

          It is climatic change! The real problem is that we do not know what are exact causes. Blaming C2O emissons is a gross oversimplfication. Global climate is a very complex beast and we only have ~100 years worth of reliable data. That is just a mere minute in geological time! The hardline “OMFG the EARTH IS MELTING” attention whores fail to realize that the Earth is not a static environment.

          However, it is better for civilization to take long-term measures to miminze the effects of controlable varables like CO2, Methane emissions. The problem in doing that is that goes against instincts of human nature. It is best expressed in this thought “Hey, this isn’t my problem! Let someone else down the road worry about.”

            • poulpy
            • 14 years ago

            IMO even if CO2 & others are not 100% responsible for the Climate change I’d rather prefer we over do the clean & good for earth and people living on it than overlook it and keep polluting/consuming like big fat pigs just in case it may not trigger the end of the world..

            • blastdoor
            • 14 years ago

            Uh… and how exactly is the climate changing?

            I do believe that it is getting warmer! And, on a *global* scale, at that.

            But no… it’s not “global warming”.

            • Flying Fox
            • 14 years ago

            After some serious googling:

            You sounded like Frank Luntz.

            §[<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz#Global_warming<]§ His position has changed though.

            • Krogoth
            • 14 years ago

            Nah, I sound more like a rational person who isn’t using hysterical terms to draw attention. It is simply arrogant to say that “mankind is sole reason that these changes are happening!”

            I not saying that human civililization is not a factor, but our apathy and natural drive to get a greater reward without worrying about long-term consequences isn’t helping the matter.

            Mother Nature is still #1 influence of any change wether the Earth has massive heartburn or alters its orbit by several million miles. The changes the climatic could result in World War III. Worrying about the melting of the icecaps is just “sorry, about this shameless pun” tip of the iceberg and least of our problems.

    • DrDillyBar
    • 14 years ago

    they would SO own the market with those chips if they could release a S478 version! </dreaming>

      • Shintai
      • 14 years ago

      Never happend 😉

      • echo_seven
      • 14 years ago

      That would be nice 🙂 I have a friend who just bought a Radeon X1600 Pro for his 2.2 Northwood. I’m not sure what to tell him…

      Also: does anyone see any other reason for reintroducing the pentium name(and splitting intel’s lineup into three segments from two) other than capitalizing on the (remaining) power of the brand name?

    • Deathright
    • 14 years ago

    I thought they were getting ride of the Pentium logo

      • Shintai
      • 14 years ago

      Its the last incanation of it.

        • Flying Fox
        • 14 years ago

        Until they change their minds again.

    • Dagwood
    • 14 years ago

    What is with the name game…

    Pentium Shametium, fee, fi, fo, Bentium… Banana fanana fo Fentium.

    I miss the good ol’ days when the CPU was named after the number of transistors in the chip.

    • marvelous
    • 14 years ago

    $200 systems for basic email, web browsing and still perform like Athlon 64.

    • mafropetee
    • 14 years ago

    cant wait. looking at the minimal difference a larger l2 cache makes especially in gaming, the new pentium should replace the e4300 as the ultimate overclocker’s value.

      • Flying Fox
      • 14 years ago

      Actually 1MB L2 cache may be a little too constricted and we may actually start to see performance degradation because of that. Of course, we can only say for sure after we have the CPUs in hand and thoroughly benchmarked.

      • pureevilmatt
      • 14 years ago

      I think you may be right. But, some over clockers, myself included, will likely see the 11x multiplier and the extra cache on the e4500 as worth the extra fifty bucks… especially since it’s higher multiplier will probably allow for better over clocks on cheaper motherboards.

    • Convert
    • 14 years ago

    Cool, cool, unfortunately I have a hard time diverting my attention away from -[

      • eitje
      • 14 years ago

      that’s C2Q. 😛

    • blastdoor
    • 14 years ago

    Is this Core or Core2 ?

      • Flying Fox
      • 14 years ago

      Both are Core 2 based design.

      If the roadmaps haven’t changed, then the E2xxx is C2D with 1MB (called Conroe 1M last I checked) of L2 cache, 800FSB and no VT.

      Celeron 4xx will be Conroe-L which is single core C2D variant. In addition to VT getting chopped, EIST is gone as well. 🙁

        • blastdoor
        • 14 years ago

        much thanks!

    • SlyFerret
    • 14 years ago

    So, we could affectionately call these “Core 2 Solo”, right?

    Am I correct in assuming that these will be a single-core Core 2 design?

    -SF

      • d2brothe
      • 14 years ago

      IIRC the pentiums are dual, and the celerons are single.

    • MadManOriginal
    • 14 years ago

    There must be some bruised egos at Intel somewhere over the whole K8 vs P4 timeframe. Between these extremely low-cost chips and the Q3 quad drops there’s a pretty powerful top to bottom lineup with really good prices on some of them. I suppose they at least don’t really cost any more or less than an equivalent-sized piece of silicon otherwise, but the supposed second round of quad-core cuts did surprise me. Or it could just be the natural result of the ‘tick-tock’ alternating process and architecture strategy, either way it’s kickass but also makes me realize it’s pretty wasteful to go much above the low mid-range since that ranking won’t last.

    Or (and this is for the Intel fanboys to have their fun with) is it possible Intel knows something solid about Barcelona that we don’t?

      • Shintai
      • 14 years ago

      I dont think so, the price cuts just follow what they have done since launch of Core 2. Also I think some people got way too much hope for Barcelona….if Barcelona was so good. AMD would have flooded us with more than the 1 estimated performance of SpecFP_rate that even K8 already beat Intel with for about 20%. So either AMD got a miracle of a chip but is making idiot decisions. Or they dont have anything thats worth mentioning and trying to make it look good with 1 estimated benchmark.

      Even if K10 is 10% faster clock for clock than Core 2, a 2.66Ghz Quadcore for 266$ would compete with AMDs topbin at 2.3Ghz (And beat it if only 10%) until 2008 sometime.

      Oh and I forgot, with AMDs wish to double their stocks to gain extra hard needed cash. The last thing you wanna do is hold again if you got a jewel to push the price up.

        • MadManOriginal
        • 14 years ago

        +1 for me…getting you to reply like that was pretty damn easy.

          • Shintai
          • 14 years ago

          Hardly a +1 since its a selected comment. Too many people just dont want to realise the real worlds facts yet.

            • MadManOriginal
            • 14 years ago

            You’re pretty clueless when it comes to reading between the lines and have completely misunderstood what I meant. At least you’re good for some light entertainment.

            • Shintai
            • 14 years ago

            There is a difference to knowing it and reply and not knowing it and reply.

            I love and laugh on how you think you “manipulate” and “trick” others with your writing. Just a shame it didnt happend. But rather just gave an excuse to push my agenda.

            • wierdo
            • 14 years ago

            er…your agenda?

            • Convert
            • 14 years ago

            Suddenly all of his posts on TR make sense after reading that. You know, in the way that you find out one of your crazier co-workers is on meds, kind of all falls into place.

      • poulpy
      • 14 years ago

      Indeed they’re in for some serious price cuts and reshuffling (can’t believe they bring Pentium back from the dead, talk about confusing the customer..) which doesn’t reflect the way they kept high prices on Core2 so far.
      So as they surely don’t want (/can’t afford) to kill off AMD one can guess Barcelona is going to be a good contender.

      To the sceptic/fanbois: IIRC AMD never flooded anyone with early benches like Intel did with Core2 (and they seem to do the same on the R600 side too) so I wouldn’t be worried of the lack of benches.

      If Barcelona and R600 end up being good products and not blacked-out because of their weaknesses or production/design issues will the ever so AMD-sceptic come forward and acknowledged they were wrong?

        • Shintai
        • 14 years ago

        Yes, why wouldn´t we. Unlike so many others here, I´m sure atleast some of us know when things are good or bad rather than to praise their brand loyalty in dire times.

        But there is a reason to be sceptic as it is now.

        Even if R600 is just as fast as nVidia, there is this inferno difference in heat and powerusage. R600 is perhaps anything but a green product.

        Barcelona we only saw 1 estimated benchmark (In a Benchmark K8 already leads with a huge margin). And even then the expected speeds have gone down quite abit. Even the CEO says slow ramp too.

        So ye, if it turns the opposite. I will gladly praise Hector for his cunning plan and praise AMD. Might aswell play the lottery tickets now we are at it.

          • poulpy
          • 14 years ago

          – R600: we don’t have definite numbers neither on the performance side (rumoured to be better than NVIDIA) nor on the consumption side (rumoured to be worse than NVIDIA). And whatever happens neither high end R600 nor G80 are/will be green products…

          – Barcelona: when was the last time AMD leaked benched a-la Intel? Therefore why would their lack of point out to weak performance?

          /[

            • Shintai
            • 14 years ago

            G80 and R600 aint green products. G80 is alot near it than the 240/270W R600 tho. Green=environmentally correct.

            AMD showed their best benchmark, K8 is about 20% faster in SpecFP_rate than Core 2. K10 is 40% better approx. Can you see where its going? 😉

            Barcelona dont have anything to show, else they would throw it around everywhere before trying to double the stocks to gain additional money.

            • flip-mode
            • 14 years ago

            FWIW, Intel’s early release of C2D benchmarks didn’t improve their stock price. What’s more, even at the product launch when 50 www sites were showing C2D whuping Athlon ass Intel’s stock price was actually going down – stock analysts were looking at the oversupply of chips and Intel’s price war strategy, not the performance of C2D. So why should AMD bother to release benchmarks in the hopes that it would help their stock price? Even the fact that AMD’s current CPU lineup isn’t top-dog isn’t what’s driving their stock price down – it’s being driven down by their massive debt and by not meeting their sales forcasts (thanks mainly to Dell not meeting theirs). Please don’t talk about the business side of things Shin, stick to the tech. It pains me to watch to flop around like a fish out of water 😉

            • Shintai
            • 14 years ago

            Aha….

            INTC:
            §[<http://charting.nasdaq.com/ext/charts.dll?2-1-14-0-0-512-03NA000000INTC-&SF:4<]§|5-WD=484-HT=395- AMD: §[<http://charting.nasdaq.com/ext/charts.dll?2-1-14-0-0-512-03NA000000AMD-&SF:4<]§|5-WD=484-HT=395- Maybe you want to make some corrections to your post now?

            • flip-mode
            • 14 years ago

            No, but thanks for confirming my post. I’ll help you business-impaired folks read that Intel chart: you see that big downward slope during the month of July – C2D launched right in the middle of that. Good god you’re hopeless.

            AMD’s chart – what’s that got to do with the price of Intel during the C2D launch? I don’t know but interestingly enough AMD’s price started climbing like crazy right after the C2D launch.

            Shin, I don’t know what you’re smoking but keep it the hell away from me cause it’s clearly not good for the brain.

            • Shintai
            • 14 years ago

            *sign*…when was the C2D benchmarks? I´m sure we saw them quite abit before launch.
            §[<https://techreport.com/etc/2006q1/conroe/index.x?pg=1<]§ And AMD was more about soon 65nm/k10 and buy nVidia/ATI constant rumours. Also mr. business expect. Remember to count in the nomal business flux. Like unemployment numbers etc etc. §[<http://www.marketwatch.com/charts/int-basic.chart?symb=NASDAQ&sid=3291&time=8&startdate=&enddate=&freq=1&comp=&compidx=&uf=&ma=&maval=&type=2&size=1&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&style=1013&mocktick=1&rand=175605416<]§ Thats what you have to count it against.

            • flip-mode
            • 14 years ago

            Once again, using the chart you supplied and the March 9th preview you linked – notice Intel’s stock price declining during the month of March, and then some more through April, with a quick spike at the end of April – well over a month after the c2d preview. So now what can we say about the connection between that fleeting spike and the month and a half earlier benchmark previews – very little if anything. Jeez man, why not just go into MS paint and mock up your own stock charts to corroborate your silly assertions – I’m far too lazy to go track down the real information. But by posting the real information that completely contradicts your own statements you look brain damaged.

            flop flop flop

            • Shintai
            • 14 years ago

            Nice, I see the arguments yet again ran out and we are over in the braindead department again. Along with smoking and whatever.

            • flip-mode
            • 14 years ago

            Is that you’re way of acquiescing to the obvious?

            • Proesterchen
            • 14 years ago

            q[

            • flip-mode
            • 14 years ago

            I’m not blaming anything on Dell. I’m blaming part of AMD’s stock price plummet on the fact that they didn’t meet their sales forecasts, and I’m attributing part of those unmet sales to the fact that Dell didn’t end up needing as many chips by the end of the quarter as they thought they did at the beginning of the quarter. So no, it’s not Dell’s “fault” at all but that’s not to say Dell isn’t a factor. Dell is responsible for their own situation which isn’t so rosy of late, and AMD is responsible for theirs. But the whole point is that half the time Shin is just talking out of his nethers. I don’t try to debate Shin on the fine points of CPU microarchitecture and I don’t go around making statements regarding such because I just don’t know enough about it. Shin is apparently in the same situation with regards to business matters but for some reason he still sees fit to make silly assertions and then evade, brow-beat, and obfuscate until he has the final word. It’s pathetic. The funny part is that I don’t know a heck of a lot either but all that’s been necessary lately is a little bit of reasoned thinking and the ability to read a friggin chart.

    • odizzido
    • 14 years ago

    I wonder how well they will perform.

    • Sargent Duck
    • 14 years ago

    a 1.8GHz Celeron 430 and a 2GHz Celeron 430

    I’m thinking a typo?

      • Shintai
      • 14 years ago

      Celeron 440 – 2.0Ghz 800FSB 512K L2 $59
      Celeron 430 – 1.8Ghz 800FSB 512K L2 $49
      Celeron 420 – 1.6Ghz 800FSB 512K L2 $39

    • Shintai
    • 14 years ago

    E2160 is replacing E4300 btw.

      • Flying Fox
      • 14 years ago

      How? The 4300 is 2MB L2. Oh well, close enough I guess. Since by Q3 the E4400 will be $113 and the E4500 will be out ($133?).

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