PC makers to stop selling XP PCs in early 2008

Earlier this year, Microsoft announced that it would keep supporting Windows XP until April 2009. However, according to a report by APC Magazine, Microsoft plans to phase out the old operating system from pre-built PCs by the start of next year. Microsoft’s contracts with PC makers will mandate that the firms sell only Vista machines starting in January 2008. APC Magazine quotes Lenovo’s senior ThinkPad product manager as saying, “At that point, [the PC makers] will have no choice.”

The move may not sit well with some, especially small business customers who don’t tend to upgrade PCs in droves and might not want to mix and match Vista and XP systems. Dell told APC that it intends to continue pre-loading Windows XP on its Dimension and Inspiron machines until the summer—a good few months before the Microsoft deadline. By then, Dell could also start offering Linux-based desktops and laptops as it promised late last month, which may provide an escape route for users who don’t want to make the move to Microsoft’s new OS.

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    • Krogoth
    • 13 years ago

    I smell a ton of BS in those lines.

    I think what MS really means is that no “mainstream” grade systems will have a XP license in 2008.

    The business-grade systems will have the option of XP until it officially sunshines for business ring. IIRC, it is sometime in 2011.

    • bdwilcox
    • 13 years ago

    Most of the customers I support on the side are small to medium businesses who use very expensive, very picky, and very unforgiving proprietary software (doctors’ offices, construction companies, accounting firms, etc.) This proprietary software, which works great under 2000 or XP, either won’t work at all on Vista or will require a very expensive upgrade.

    I get the little newsletters from the companies that make these software packages and most of them say “Do not try to run product xxxx on Vista. Internal testing has concluded that Vista is not compatible with the current version of our software.”

    So the real scenario is that most of these businesses will not upgrade since the package they paid a fortune for works and does everything they need under 2000/XP. Plus, most have extra licenses for their software packages, so adding another PC won’t make them buy a new version of the software. But what happens in a year or so when they get another employee, need a new computer and can only get it loaded with Vista, not XP? Should I send Microsoft a bill for their software package upgrade?

      • A_Pickle
      • 13 years ago

      y[< Most of the customers I support on the side are small to medium businesses who use very expensive, very picky, and very unforgiving proprietary software (doctors' offices, construction companies, accounting firms, etc.) This proprietary software, which works great under 2000 or XP, either won't work at all on Vista or will require a very expensive upgrade.<]y I'm going to ask you to re-read your first sentence, and then tell me whose fault this incompatibility is.

    • dragmor
    • 13 years ago

    XP is already hard to get from White Box OEMs over here, the price jumped up by 30% over night when Vista was released.

    Most of our government clients are mid way through rolling out a custom code checked version of XP SP1a with IE6 (big update from NT4 SP4). SP2 is scheduled to start rollout in Nov 07. But thats what you get for being on the DRN.

    2 smaller clients have rolled out Vista and Office 2007, but 1 of them rolled it back since it was to different for there users.

    • willyolio
    • 13 years ago

    i guess this is somewhat good for the little un-techy guy, since he won’t end up buying an OS next year that will be unsupported a year after his purchase.

    that said, though, i still think XP support should last longer.

    • Forge
    • 13 years ago


    • Chrispy_
    • 13 years ago

    About 30% of the office software we’re using still doesn’t work either properly or at all with Vista.

    Not only that but I’ve been using Vista at work for almost a year now and it’s still bloated, interfering crap. The program installation procedures and riduculous nannying of any advanced OS feature is utter garbage

    Give retards the nannying, not the IT professionals, please. God will have to intervene when the vista variant of server comes along, because nothing short of that will stop it being a royal pain in the backside to millions of IT people.

    • herothezero
    • 13 years ago


      • paulpod
      • 13 years ago

      Regarding a statement that WinDVD works fine on Vista:

      Very (VERY) few people have ever seen what properly scaled and deinterlaced video looks like with hardware acceleration that gets a top HQV rating. And I’m talking live broadcast video, like watching a soccer game. Not film.

      I installed WinDVD on Vista RTM with the latest Nvidia drivers and the latest DirectX package. It failed to invoke hardware scaling in the GFX card at all on SD video (soccer at ATSC 480i). It failed to invoke hardware deinterlacing on 1080i video. And yes, I did look through all the UI settings and enabled HW acceleration and deinterlacing where ever it appeared.

      WinDVD, in fact, has no controls that show any understanding of how to manage hardware acceleration. Dvico tuner app, in contrast, directly gives the user access to DxVA settings.

      It is a clear trend that no one will program for the DirectShow architecture in Vista and no one will allow users direct control over any low level video hardware functions. To do so would violate the “Designed For Morons” trend on al OSes.

    • paulpod
    • 13 years ago

    Wow. People who can’t build their own are screwed.

    I have a whole high definition recording, editing, and viewing process worked out on XP and none of the key elements, such as Nvidia Purevideo, will ever have an equivalent Vista component.

    Everything in Vista is tied to Media Center and other fully proprietary bloatware. Beyond that I tried to get things like WinDVD to work on a Vista dual boot system and it could not even display standard mpeg files that work perfectly on XP WinDVD.

    The key question for us is when will XP activation be cut off. If I have a license that has never been used, when will that no longer be useable? I want to stock up on hardware and licenses.

    • Dude-X
    • 13 years ago

    I think it’s pretty shitty that Microsoft is forcing Vista among corporate and home users, but by 2008, most of the bugs should be worked out.
    This is the first time that people haven’t flocked to a new OS like when Windows 2000 came out or even XP.
    However, people are always free to buy retail versions of XP from retailers.

    Personally, by 2008, Mac OS X Leopard will be my predominant OS while Vista will end up as my gaming OS. There are somethings that are troubling to me about Vista.

    • albundy
    • 13 years ago

    Aren’t all new machines these days already installed with vista? All the machines at my local b&m already come with vista.

    • Sargent Duck
    • 13 years ago

    Don’t see what the big deal is. When I upgrade (hopefully this fall….mmmmm, cheap quad cores), I’ll be getting a copy of Vista. Like JaE said, it’s out, so deal with it.

    Now, for businesses I can see a bit more of a concern, but not much. I’ve only recently entered the corporate work force, but judging from how all the computers are the same, I’m guessing that companies by all their new machines at once. (Somebody correct me if I’m wrong). If that’s the case, then there really isn’t an issue with Vista.

      • d2brothe
      • 13 years ago

      I think generally companies will buy more than one computer at a time, but not all of their systems simultaniously…that would be too large a one time cost (think hundreds of PCs at thousands a piece) plus not all will need upgrading at the same time.

        • UberGerbil
        • 13 years ago

        This is going to vary somewhat from business to business and from country to country, but: capital goods have a depreciation schedule (typically 4 years). So the budget process is generally to buy a new wave of replacements once the current machines have been fully depreciated — and departments typically have a use-it-or-lose-it budget process, so if the money is there they replace the machines whether they strictly need to or not. Companies (or departments) that don’t have intensive uses for their machines can stretch the timeline out, whereas there will be some companies or departments that need more power as soon as they can get it.

        Where it gets tricky is new hires, expansions, and (sometimes) mergers that fall outside that kind of schedule. Most large companies have a stockpile of identical machines they can drop on the desk of a new hire, or swap in when a machine goes up in smoke. But if they’re doing incremental upgrades or something else where they’re replacing large numbers of machines over an extended period of time they want to hold the system image constant. This is why AMD recently jumped on the “stable system” bandwagon that Intel has been on for a while. The large OEMs (Dell, HP, etc) can then guarantee to their large corporate customers that they can deliver exactly the same machine over a long period of time.

        And that includes the OS. Which means, despite this annoucement, if a F500 wants to keep buying machines with XP in ’08,. that’s what they’ll get. (In any case these customers will have a large site license, which means they buy the machines and then image them with their own copy of the OS and applciation suite, so even if the machines were delivered to the IT dept with Vista installed, they go out to the users with XP, or whatever).

    • JustAnEngineer
    • 13 years ago

    Vista is here. Deal with it.

    Our corporate IT folks are proactively targeting a 2nd quarter 2008 rollout for Vista at work.

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