Microsoft: We must avoid simultaneous PC/Xbox 360 releases

In an interview with GamesIndustry.biz, Microsoft Game Studios Europe Business Development Manager Peter Zetterberg has made some interesting comments about how PC and Xbox 360 games fit into Microsoft’s business plan. According to Zetterberg, Microsoft needs to release titles for the Xbox 360 first to avoid cannibalizing sales of its own console:

On a global scale the Windows Vista business is as important as our Xbox 360 business. But in Germany for example, we want more gamers to buy our Xbox 360. If we launch a game that is on 360 and PC simultaneously, we basically shoot ourselves in the foot by allowing the German market to choose to play the PC version – because they are more likely to buy that than spend their money on the Xbox 360.

However, Zetterberg stressed that the PC and Xbox 360 are “equally important” to Microsoft, even if the company must “pick and choose” formats to stimulate 360 sales in some areas.

Later in the interview, Zetterberg also commented that Microsoft ought to push both major, Gears of War-style blockbusters and smaller, indie PC games like World of Goo and Crayon Physics. “It’s harder to go back to Microsoft Games Studios management and show them a smaller game and say ‘we should do this.’ But if you can find a business model that allows for a multitude of these independent games under and MGS flag, that’s very interesting for us,” he explained. (Thanks to Shacknews for the heads-up.)

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    • MarioJP
    • 11 years ago

    They just want to make sales on their little red ring of death 360’s lol. hopefully that issue has been fixed i am assuming?

    • Mystic-G
    • 11 years ago

    Microsoft will be shooting developers in the foot to break-up release dates. Last I checked simultaneous releasing worked well for great games.

    Fragmenting release dates makes the games less appealing, mainly do to reviews and lack of hype. I guess M$ missed the memo where PC gamers actually look into the products they buy.

    I can only imagine who’d wanna help Microsoft make more revenue while the dev/publisher takes a hit. Bungie? Oh wait…

    • PetMiceRnice
    • 11 years ago

    Not that I game much anymore anyway, but I don’t think I would buy another console ever again. I bought the original Xbox four years ago and played it quite a bit for the first few months, but not very much since. I always come back to the PC for gaming. In all fairness, that could be because I mainly prefer RTS and FPS games, and the mouse and keyboard rules for those sorts of games. I adapted fairly well to the Xbox controller, but it wasn’t the same obviously.

    • clone
    • 11 years ago

    this isn’t news, it isn’t new, what it is is obvious and commonplace.

    p.s. to argue the whole PC vs Console which is an absurd arguement the truth is everyone owns a PC and many ppl also own consoles, while most of those with the money don’t give a crap about PC gaming it’s the kids playing the consoles that do but don’t have the money to change that they are stuck with a console.

    consoles blow chunks while being easy to use and as has always been the case while ppl talk about a challenge they don’t really want to deal with one hence the popularity of the console and it’s dumbed down games made simple.

    • MarioJP
    • 11 years ago

    yay hard evidence to truly back up of what i have previously said

    §[<http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/devilmaycry4/news.html?sid=6193113&om_act=convert&om_clk=multimodule&tag=multimodule;picks;title;8<]§ Games that we could only dream of is now becoming a reality. And looks like its going to be a nice port thats going to take advantage of pc hardware. And whats more it be available this month at a price of 39.99 Looks like i be buying this game.

    • MarioJP
    • 11 years ago

    Thats not necessarily true. its actually going both ways. In one hand yes you do have younger generation geared towards consoles, but at the sametime you have students taking computer classes and learning about how computers work and some wants to major in computer science. Pc’s has a lot to offer. And even if mmo’s were to hit on consoles what makes you think that be it for pc’s. You be surprised what technology pc’s are coming out with now. If anything consoles are the ones are at risk because they are nothing more than money making machines to which every title thats been ported from consoles to pc always looks better than the console’s counterparts. This is the reason why pc’s and pc gaming is gaining popularity.

    And that does not stop there. You can actually run games off a flash drives,usb hard drives, or any portable device. Try doing that with a console. I am just shocked that i am able to run all the grand theft auto series off my 32gb flash drive lol. talking about taking your games on the go lol. Especially with steam.

    So in the end Pc’s remains the most open platform for anyone to learn/play Even At a young age. Yes i can see consoles are perfect for them from the start. But once they get older and start being exposed to computers when going to school and realizing how pc’s are more than just a office/school computer then you have your next generation geek or the next bill gates lol. I guess what i am trying to say is that there will always be someone thats going to replace. It only appears that its not but trust me it is. And furthermore you can plug in a usb wirless rumble gamepad.

    And also don’t forget about that laptops are getting powerful enough where you can run crysis at decent quality. If a laptop can run crysis, then just imagine all your legacy games that are pretty much had its days but yet in a format where its away from cd’s/dvd’s bluray or optical to a much portable format such as a flash drive. Sure the ps3 may have usb ports but can you run a ps3 game thats on a blu ray and put it on a flash drive and run the game off a flash drive?. I don’t think so.

    As far as mmo’s goes i think laptops will get there first or have already got there due to its portability something where a console can’t touch. I can truly see mmo’s dominating in the laptop space than any console hands down. And matter of fact, at my college i see a lot of young generation playing wow at the cafeteria having a little laptop lan party at the school’s cafeteria lol. No more dedicated lan parties eh?. I find laptops more useful than consoles which only thing console has left is ease of use. But even that slowly starting to fade away due to consoles now have patches, and updates, and “download and install” lol.

    So yea you are right about PC gaming not just being for the hardcore gamers anymore. And sides it was very limiting too. Thats the past.

    Now: It is going both ways Hardcore and casual gaming. This is going to open up lots of opportunity of innovation. We already have the platform that can adapt. So why not put it to great use.

    And Lastly PC gaming has 0 marketing. they only control or try to control on the software front but that can be easily be bypassed. Which makes older software and games that are no longer supported but still manages to survive. Example?? The command & conquer games those games is still going strong for 7 years and counting, even after the support has ended. Console games are short lived tons of money being spent just to hype it up. GTA IV is a prime example of being hyped. Don’t even want to know how much they spent just to grab people’s attention about this game. Me i just wait for the pc version of GTA IV

    • Pax-UX
    • 11 years ago

    For MS it’s not about getting the hardcore PC gamers but the casual users that don’t want to send 1,200+ for a games PC. Most £€$400 computers will do everything anybody normally needs except serious gaming. As for PC gaming making a lot of money, maybe, for the couple of killer online ones with monthly subscriptions. Gold Live was a very good idea, from a MS economical sense. It should add on another €240 to the price of the console (assuming 4 year sub).

    Then if you lock in the youth market you have them for life. Why do most here play PC games, coz console weren’t nearly as powerful as PCs back in the day and we got used to Keyboard + Mouse. I watched my nephew trying to play a couple of keyboard & mouse games; he says the controls don’t feel right, hates having to pickup the mouse all the time to re-center it and playing twister on the keyboard with finger gymnastics. He’s gotten used to a controller. I can use both and see where he’s coming from; it’s taken about a year of console FPS for me to get use to it, like mouse gaming you need to max out the sensitivity and unlearn the hard presses used with a keyboard for gentle movement. Simple things like running and walking in a game are much easier to control with a joypad.

    Plus, I hate to say it, the ol’skewl Spectrum / PC / Amiga (+ C64) / Atari ST Warez seen was massive compared to today, not so much Internet / BBS, but if your friend got a game you could just install it on your PC and play, causal piracy was very common. Most of the people I knew when young didn’t have as much spare cash as kids now a days so if one got a new game everybody ended up with a copy, not saying it’s right, just that’s the way it was. You don’t see kids pirating console game much, as you need to modify the hardware.

    I still believe once we get the first serious MMO for consoles it will be the beginning of the end for serious PC gaming. Along with the fact most serious PC gamers will grow up, have a family and basically move on from PC gaming, there won’t be a younger generation to replace them. Talking with my nephew about this stuff, his mobile phone is number 1, a PC is about Internet access to his Bebo / Myspace / YouTube (or whatever is the flavor of the month for the “In Bros”), then consoles for gaming. I’ve even tried to explain to him what a LAN Party was, which got a blank look; You bring your PC + Monitor somewhere to play games, why not just use the Internet! Kids have it sooo easy now.

    • MarioJP
    • 11 years ago

    PC games on Linux.. Give me a break. Theres a lot behind the scenes than just a “desktop computing os”. Apparently lot of pc games are under dx api. Sure you can use wine but to me thats not close enough. Seems like dx or directx just seems to bring pc games to the table with hardly any issues at all or non at all.

    Second reason is windows is standardized enough but yet flexible of what kind of hardware you have and can add. which is the reason why apple is only getting a piece of the pie when it comes to gaming. Sure games like doom and epic games such as quake wars and Unreal Tournament series are the only games that i know of that are Linux and windows but look at where they got them. Its not a mainstream hit. And fact those games has gotten cheap really fast. Linux is very good at the desktop and application front however that i will admit that. But then again windows can do that and pc gaming lol.

    • MarioJP
    • 11 years ago

    This reminds me of what Sony said about the infamous PS3 how powerful it is and that it will replace your computer. LOL. This is all business talk. But one thing for sure is that these companies sure like to mess with their consumers and cause a reaction or a response. I seen this over and over again. Give it some time and eventually they realize what a mistake they did.

    • Prospero424
    • 11 years ago

    Oh, yes. They care about both “equally”. They just want to put the priority on XBox360 sales and will quite literally penalize PC gamers for not choosing to play the same game on inferior hardware.

    How is that, in any stretch of the definition, “equal” treatment?

    MS always rebukes those critics who say the “Games for Windows” program is just lip service. This move proves those critics absolutely right.

    This is exactly what I was afraid of when Microsoft got into the gaming business: MS leveraging their near-monopoly market power to cripple PC gaming in order to artificially boost the sales of their consoles.

    Then again, this could just be a regional manager shooting his mouth off. I certainly hope it is. But then, the intentional delays of PC versions of games like Mass Effect, the entire Halo series, Gears of War, and pretty much every other premium title MS has any control over whatsoever make this theory pretty unlikely.

      • SPOOFE
      • 11 years ago

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    • PRIME1
    • 11 years ago

    They have nailed the reason I don’t have a 360.

    I would rather play CoD4, Bioshock, etc, etc. on my PC.

    That and my PC has a resettable blue screen instead of a red ring.

      • BKA
      • 11 years ago

      l[

    • YeuEmMaiMai
    • 11 years ago

    WTF? I buy PC games because

    1. higher res
    2. better control options (usually)
    3. MORE EYE CANDY

      • A_Pickle
      • 11 years ago

      Thanks. That’s why there are 14 different exactly-the-same shooters out for the PC. And more to come, because of people who want MOAR POLYGUNZ LULZ

    • TheTechReporter
    • 11 years ago

    For the record, I have nothing against Linux per se, only fanboyism.
    Unlike others here, I think that Linux can (and might) be everything to everyone… eventually.
    The thing that is really holding back gaming is lack of marketshare.
    IMHO, Linux needs to “unify” if it is to have a real chance of gaining marketshare. So far, the best contender, Ubuntu, isn’t pushing hard enough, though.

    Ok, back on topic. Nothing new here, staggered releases = higher sales. Personally, I think games should be released for all platforms simultaneously, but then again I don’t care much about release dates, either.
    If it’s a good enough game, I will buy it whenever it comes out.

      • just brew it!
      • 11 years ago

      q[< For the record, I have nothing against Linux per se, only fanboyism.<]q This is more or less a paraphrasing of my own claim that Linux evangelists are often their own worst enemy. I like Linux. I use it on a daily basis. But I don't use it for everything, and acknowledge that there are some areas where a Windows box is still -- and is likely to remain for a while -- the best tool for the job.

    • Corrado
    • 11 years ago

    Apparently, because MS (which, *gasp* is a publicly owned company) is out to maximize profits, that makes them evil. Heres a clue: THERE ARE NO COMPANIES OUT THERE LOOKING OUT FOR YOU. They all want your money, plain and simple. This is their legal obligation as a publicly traded company.

    Why else would the movie studios not release DVD’s at the same time as the theater? Because they want your $9 to see it in the theater, and then your $15-20 to buy the DVD later. They want maximize the money they get from you.

    • KamikaseRider
    • 11 years ago

    Valve and Steam FTW!!

    • A_Pickle
    • 11 years ago

    Screw you, Microsoft. I hope Valve trashes their gaming business.

    • herothezero
    • 11 years ago

    q[

      • A_Pickle
      • 11 years ago

      Agreed. If the OSS community can (haha) agree with one another and come up with standards that allow developers to easily make games for systems? Great. I’ll install Linux.

        • BobbinThreadbare
        • 11 years ago

        opengl isn’t a single standard that every one has agreed on?

          • swaaye
          • 11 years ago

          OpenGL is an SGI-created standard, actually, and has undoubtedly progressed to where it is because of Windows developers. It became a gaming API mainly because of id Software. Unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have basically buried it finally because almost everyone is using DX9/10 these days. Just as Windows is designed to let them dominate the PC OS, DirectX is around to let them tightly control the API for media/3D/etc their OS. They want to control everything. 🙂

        • Forge
        • 11 years ago

        Write for SDL and OpenGL and avoid version-specific crap (compile static not dynamic) and your games will run for many many years to come, with minimal to no issues.

        Heavy Gear 2 still runs on my linux box. It stopped working on the Windows side when I left 9X behind, since large parts of it weren’t NT-ready.

        How exactly is MS winning here?

        Let’s point to the many many titles broken by going from 9X to 2K, 2K to XP, or XP to Vista, and note the number, and then go look at how many ANCIENT Linux games run better today than when they were released 5-10 years ago.

        • Krogoth
        • 11 years ago

        Yep, IMHO #1 problem of OSS is the complete lack of an authority to make up and enforce standards.

        This is really the one reason why Windows retains its dominance despite that the fact that *nix solutions could techincally render Windows into the commodity product that it should be rather then spending tons of $$$$ for a single-user license.

        • just brew it!
        • 11 years ago

        Actually, the standards are already in place. OpenGL and ALSA already provide a consistent software interface for 3D graphics and audio.

        The stumbling block continues to be driver support, especially graphics. Hardware vendors provide binary drivers which range from crappy to mediocre, and refuse to release the hardware specs which would allow the OSS community to maintain their own. AMD/ATI has committed to releasing their full GPU specs to the OSS community, but they’re still working on it.

      • stmok
      • 11 years ago

      That’s right, Linux isn’t coming to the masses…And for good reason:

      ( The following is in memory of *[http://youtube.com/results?search_query=george+carlin<]§ *[< (1) People are dumb and impatient. <]* I mean it. People ARE dumb. They have yet to develop ANY form of problem solving skills at a basic level. They don't want to learn OR understand anything such that it benefits them in the long term. They continue to: l[< (a) Use Admin accounts instead of Limited/Standard User Accounts. <]l Over 80% of the nonsense can be stopped with this simple procedure. In fact, its a standard thing in Linux and Mac OS X. If you need Admin privileges, use SuRun to escalate to that level as desired. (Its like UAC in Vista, but less annoying and for Win2k/XP/2k3). => Read this MS rep's blog §[<http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis/default.aspx<]§ => SuRun: Easily running Windows XP as a limited user §[<http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=196737<]§ l[< (b) Execute email attachments. <]l To prove it, all you need to do is write a bit of malware yourself and label it with a female celebrity name and some raunchy sex position. People will fall for it without trouble. In fact, its guaranteed! l[< (c) Continually fall for social engineering tricks. <]l People are too trusting of computers. They really have no concept of the point behind passwords and personal credentials. Here's a rule: if you don't know where the heck it comes from: Ignore, delete, and disable it. Don't hand out your password or your personal/financial details like candy. l[< (d) Try to act they know something when they really don't. Ego and pride! <]l When some people say "they know computers", they really mean they're familiar with Windows. Anything outside of this arena, and they're like lost children. Essentially, they beat the "Social system", but they have yet to accomplish anything in the "Law of Nature". (If you really know computers, it wouldn't matter what OS or application is thrown at you, you should be aware of the basics behind it. The only change is how its been done). The hundreds, if not thousands of "Linux doesn't work for me" blogs, posts, and forums entries is elegant proof of this world wide phenomenon. (Treat Linux like Windows, and you ARE guaranteed to fail). l[< (e) Continue to invest in security band-aids instead of applying proper security solutions of prevention. <]l What happen to *[< "prevention is BETTER than cure" <]* ? Looks like that died with the "I want my problems solved now at any cost!" phenomenon. See here: §[<http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=200772<]§ And you know what makes this funny? Bill Gates recognizes this human stupidity with computers! => l[< *[< "Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey." <]* <]l *[< (2) Linux's goal isn't about the masses. <]* Despite what most people think, the people who write and maintain the Kernel have no aim in making it easy for the mainstream computer user. Such responsibility of "making it easier" is to the Distro developers. (ie: The folks that get all the bits and pieces together and make it somewhat livable. That's what a Linux distro is. Such examples include Ubuntu, Mandriva, OpenSUSE, Fedora, etc)...Or even hardware manufacturers. (See ASUS's EeePC GUI of its Linux variant) Its simple: Windows and Mac OSX => Microsoft and Apple are responsible. You pay them for this responsibility with your hard-earned money. You get convenience and lower learning curves. Linux/BSD/etc => YOU are responsible unless you want to pay for commercial support. If you don't, you pay by developing skills and knowledge with time. But you save money for other things in life and gain independence. (You aren't reliant on a single provider, you can pick and choose). Both sides have their Pros and Cons. Its up to you to decide what you EXACTLY want. As for gamers? FFS, go outside and exercise, socialize, etc!

        • Corrado
        • 11 years ago

        The only thing I have to say in response to this is, most people treat a computer like an appliance or a tool. You are supposed to be able to treat them all the same to a certain degree. If you learn to drive a Toyota, should have to re-learn how to drive if you purchase a Chevy next? If you know how to use your stove, do you need to be re-educated in order to use your neighbors, which happens to be a different brand? A computer is a tool, no matter what OS is on it, you should be able to intuitively use it and do what you need or want to do. Apple has it right, as you can just USE a Mac by thinking “Whats the easiest way for this to work?” and thats usually how it works. I know when I bought my first mac I was beating my head against the wall because I thought about it too hard. Things were right in the open and I was looking past them. With Linux its the opposite, in my experience. I’ve been using a PC since 1983, starting with PC-DOS, all the way up to current times. I can use linux, I can make it work and do everything I can with Windows. The problem is, Linux makes me think far too much in order to accomplish simple tasks. Things are too obfuscated and arcane for an average user. Sure, there are exceptions. The Linux based OS on the EeePC is one. Ubuntu is getting there, but its still too much to think about. You can’t please both casual, and enthusiest communities with 1 product. It either has to be so dumbed down anyone can use it, or complicated and customizable to the point casual users are confused and alienated.

          • kc77
          • 11 years ago

          Hmm. There are some things I can agree with. Linux definitely needs work when it comes to driver installation and the presentation of exactly which “drivers” are installed and what they are doing. However, for the every day user (someone who uses Internet, Email, Office Documentation, maybe a torrent or two) Linux, Ubuntu especially, has made the linux experience about as easy as it can get. Other than learning the new executable (deb) file types, which you would have to learn no matter what OS you chose it’s easier than Mac and definitely easier than Windows from that perspective.

          Anyway to keep on topic… boooo microsoft…LOL

        • TheTechReporter
        • 11 years ago

        “The hundreds, if not thousands of “Linux doesn’t work for me” blogs, posts, and forums entries is elegant proof of this world wide phenomenon.”

        Why are all Linux fanboys the same?
        You automatically assume that if Linux doesn’t work for someone, then it is that person’s fault. I actually had a Linux fanboy tell me that if something was wrong with Linux then it was because I had screwed up, because, unlike Windows, Linux doesn’t have bugs!

        Well let me tell you, I have had Linux malfunction because it couldn’t find the right drivers for my video card, and it was 100% the OS’s fault, 0% mine, beyond the shadow of any doubt. Mind you, this was something that prevented the OS from even running, not just a minor bug.

        So, yes, Virginia, there are legitimate reasons why Linux is _not_ a very good OS for a lot of people, and it has nothing to do with lack of knowledge or any other flaws of these people. It has to do with the flaws of Linux itself.

        “As for gamers? FFS, go outside and exercise, socialize, etc!”

        Come now, surely you can do better than _that_?
        You have just willingly admitted that Linux can _not_ play “AAA” games, but instead of trying to provide some reason for gamers to give Linux a chance, you attack them.
        This is known as “ad hominem”, and is very childish if you ask me.

          • greeny
          • 11 years ago

          I love threads like this! I use linux myself, quite alot, its great, I can browse the net, email, not worry about spyware/viruses. Then when I want to get to some gaming or music production I go and boot into windows, and why? Cos windows is infinately better than linux at both of them, sorry fanboys its a fact!

          Playing games in linux is possible of course and there are more and more native ports but to play a windows game you have to jump through hoops, in windows to play a windows game I install it and play it.

          Same with music production stuff, anyone who thinks that linux is anywhere near good enough in that department wants to spend some time on a serious DAW and maybe enjoy making their music.

          When linux can do those two things windows is dead for me, til then Linux will remain on its own little partition at the end of my drive, where it belongs.

        • BenBasson
        • 11 years ago

        Parts of this post are by far the stupidest things I’ve read in TR comments to date. I’m not going to attack your post point by point, because it would be a total waste of time, however I will say these two things:

        1) The “people are dumb and impatient” concept is absolutely true. However, the fact that people need to learn about security, Linux, etc. is absolutely a fault of the industry. If you want people to use your product and you want your product to be better than the competition, you have to give people what they want, and what they want isn’t a lecture from an arrogant Linux zealot, it’s a system that they can use without risk and without difficulty. No such system yet exists, which is why people stick with what they have. Moving to Linux just exposes a different set of problems rather than a full set of solutions.

        2) “As for gamers? FFS, go outside and exercise, socialize, etc!” – yeah, way to be in touch with reality. The gaming industry is now bigger than the movie industry, it’s not something you can just dismiss out of hand.

      • indeego
      • 11 years ago

      You can bitch all you want about OSS, but it ain’t going away, and it is growing every year. Many large and successful companies, including IBM, Google, Amazon, Novell have based their entire infrastructures around Linux. These companies are not losing money because they investeed in Linux.

      So I’ll grant you that the desktop ain’t anywhere close to being won, but the desktop also might not be where it’s at in 20 years. I can easily see much more use of Mobile devices that skirt the PC “architecture” altogether, and yeah that can be without Microsoft and Linuxg{<...<}g

    • Voldenuit
    • 11 years ago

    Without games on PC, there will be little reason for regular consumers to dual-boot windows (or, in fact, run windows at all).

    Ppl will get by just fine on Linux and Mac.

    Nice going, Ballmer.

    In related news, I recall Blizzard saying something about simultaneous release of Diablo III on Mac and Windows. Neat.

      • A_Pickle
      • 11 years ago

      It’s still no fun. Call me crazy, but I don’t think Apple respects the PC gaming market much, and while Microsoft might not either… they certainly do moreso than Apple.

      I still want to build my gaming PC. I like having my unique, hand-made, computer. Sure, it’s not the soldering-together-your-video-card experience that the older folks here remember, but it’s still more than going to the store and buying the same black, glossy PS3 that everyone else is going to buy and have. It’s mine, I built it, researched every little component inside it and no one else has it. And if I do find someone with the exact system, it’d probably be cool to talk about it with him/her.

      ‘Til then, it’s Windows or Linux for me. Apple is being just plain greedy by not releasing OS X for non Macs, and thanks, I don’t want to pay $1999 for the right to add a video card. Screw Apple, until they grow up and start actually playing the game.

      • Saber Cherry
      • 11 years ago

      An excellent point. The only reason I stick with Windows is for computer games. Without computer games, I would just use a cheap computer with Linux and integrated graphics. Linux is just as good as Windows for Java programming, web surfing, playing movies (I assume…), and basically anything except gaming (or expensive niche software, but that’s as likely to require Linux as Windows, so it just depends on the specific application).

      The best part is, I’d never have to upgrade my computer again! I’m surprised nVidia, Intel, AMD/ATI, motherboard makers, and etc. don’t band together and jump on Microsoft over this, because one thing about Microsoft is that they keep growing and growing no matter how unprofitable. Once they stick a pseudopod into new territory they don’t pull it back, but engulf and absorb everything no matter how much it hurts.

        • ludi
        • 11 years ago

        Actually, one thing that would really keep me from Linux right now is the fact that all of the media players I’ve tried tend to start decoupling the audio from the video when playing back digital media files. Halfway into a 40-minute episode of something and it starts to feel like watching some badly-dubbed Japanese film from the 80s.

          • Saber Cherry
          • 11 years ago

          l[

          • BobbinThreadbare
          • 11 years ago

          I haven’t experienced this with Totem and gstreamer.

    • AMDguy
    • 11 years ago

    This strategy shows that the console market needs artificial support. The PC market is stronger and PC players will wait for a game.

    If MSFT keeps losing money on consoles and delays PC games, how do they make their money in gaming?

      • ish718
      • 11 years ago

      No way the PC gaming market is stronger than the console market…

        • indeego
        • 11 years ago

        “You want figures? There are 260 million online PC gamers, a market that dwarfs the install base of any console platform, online or offline. Each year, 255 million new PCs are made; not all of them for gaming, it’s true, but Newell argues that the enormous capital investment and economies of scale involved in this huge market ensure that PCs remain at the cutting edge of hardware development, and consoles their “stepchildren”, in connectivity and graphics technology especially. Meanwhile, Valve’s business development guru, Jason Holtman, notes that without the pressure of cyclical hardware cycles, PC gaming projects – he points to Steam as an example – can grow organically, over long periods of time, and with no ceiling whatsoever to their potential audiences.”
        §[<http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=160866&page=1<]§

          • Convert
          • 11 years ago

          q[

            • ish718
            • 11 years ago

            Ok, so how many of those online PC gamers are playing internet checkers?
            Those statistics are full of it, I wonder what/who is his source?
            PC gaming is still too expensive for a LOT of people and consoles are relatively affordable.
            I’d still like to know the source of that statistic…

            • indeego
            • 11 years ago

            q[

            • SPOOFE
            • 11 years ago

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            • greeny
            • 11 years ago

            Pc gaming is too expensive? at least we dont pay £50 for a game. The console might cost less but they rape you with games.

            • green
            • 11 years ago

            pc gaming is expensive though. initial start-up is fairly steep
            the games are cheaper, but the game attach rate per year is lower than consoles (ie less games to buy on pc compared to consoles)

            having said that, pc gaming is much cheaper for me because i use the pc more effectively
            like using it for work so i can recover costs and so upgrades become a business expense

            • indeego
            • 11 years ago

            Gamer’s a gamer. Someone is paying someone at some point along that chaing{<.<}g

            • SPOOFE
            • 11 years ago

            Mere semantics. Companies don’t make a souped-up custom-processor powerhouse machine and sell it at a loss to put out games that can be run on an Athlon XP. That’s like saying Mercedes is worried about Kia stealing its sales.

          • SGT Lindy
          • 11 years ago

          Is that why PC gaming sales are something like 1/10th of console gaming sales?

          Wake up brother. MS and many other companies make sh!t loads more money on console games.

          Lets run down some of the obvious savings…. Lets take Halo 3 for instance.

          1. Your target all has the same, hardware, OS, drivers. So you develop for one single platform.

          2. You dont need to pay punkbuster, or spend time making anti-cheat software…so you save $$$

          3. You way less money to pirates, probably 90% less is lost to a 360 game vs a PC game. There will be some, but not even close to PC.

          4. You charge $59 per game, and 8 million + have said yes so far to Halo 3.

          5. Because you have a single locked platform to code for, your costs for pre-production testing is considerably less (room with 2 360 and two guys playing each buils) vs a PC game with 20 different combination’s.

          6. Because you have a single locked platform your post production support is way cheaper because there are so many less variables to cause bugs. You end up with 1 maybe 2 patches that are tiny, compared to many PC game patches that are huge.

          7. Every single 360 owner is a potential customer. Vs, maybe 5% of PC owners have the rig to run a PC game?

          It cost less to make, less to support, looses less to piracy and you make more per copy sold. Simple math.

          I would to see real numbers for say Halo2 and Gears of War. Console vs PC sales. I have no doubt the PC lost its arse on both occasions.

            • green
            • 11 years ago

            all your points are true
            as a response though:

            1) Not so true given it’s always “consoles” vs pc. At which point you’re developing for ps3, xbox360, wii, ps2, etc. Which is the grief PC supporters have with sales numbers as it’s always combined consoles, rather than individual platforms. Having said that exclusives are the obvious counter.

            2) Yes an no. Instead it’s all focused on the network instead. For example Microsoft now need to take the time out to ensure people aren’t cheating their ranking systems. The easiest way of course is a simple ban if/when they detect it.

            3) PC is much easier to pirate. Better distribution system. Better people at work bypassing copyprotection. Having said that xbox and ps2 eventually got pirated using the same infrastructure. Even now you can grab xbox360 game images off the net and play them. Just not online (like any number of PC games with key authentication)

            4) Can’t argue with that. But games like halo a generally a peak or a one off for the generation (eg. WoW, The Sims). For every Halo there are 10’s if not 100’s of “Bee Movie Game”s… just like a PC (except pc the ratio is more like 1:1000). Also there’s the console tax per game (ie.razor vs blades system) which is why console game prices are higher in the first place. but overall consoles are more profitable.

            5) Again true (except for minor differences like no drive vs drive). But generally PC dev’s take a fairly well spec’d machine. Then gradually see what they can do about bringing those specs down (eg lack the time to make it short so i make it long. later revised so it was shorter)

            6) Can’t argue with that. At a rough guess, 80% of pc’s a game plays on within the minimum specs don’t have any issue. 15% have moderately easily correctable issues. 5% have incorrectable issues.

            7) True. With the exception of the xbox360 thanks to the lowest end model having no hard drive which a dev would have to take into account when designing. They’ll obviously go for the wider market. But same goes for a pc. The lower your common denominator, the wider your potential market.

            it would be interesting to compare numbers
            but probably better to compare games that were released at the same time

    • Krogoth
    • 11 years ago

    Is this really news?

    This has been going on for a long time.

      • Xenolith
      • 11 years ago

      Yeah, nothing new here. Release game for the 360… then release the PC version later with more content. That has been the practice for some time. It was the interview with Nvidia rep that said that the console is the base. If you want a deeper experience, go PC.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 11 years ago

      WTH crawled up your rear end? Why is this news? Why is browser market share news? Why do you even bother with this site anymore? Do the rest of us a favor; relocate and force someone else to read your barely-English posts instead.

        • SPOOFE
        • 11 years ago

        He loves showing just how jaded and disaffected he is. He must constantly dedicate massive amounts of his energies to prove how little he cares.

          • derFunkenstein
          • 11 years ago

          I just LOL’d at work. Thanks, that made my day. 🙂

        • Krogoth
        • 11 years ago

        It is like reporting that the sun is going to set this evening and rise the following morning.

        MS has been following the whole avoid simultaneous PC/360 release since the days of the original Xbox.

        The most famous example is Halo 1. >_<

    • MadManOriginal
    • 11 years ago

    Screw their release ‘tactics.’ I don’t think they realize that most people who want a 360 already have one, and the chances of someone buying one purely to play a game on the 360 a bit earlier than they can on the PC are low. Yet another example of how not to sell games on the PC and hurt PC gaming overall for no good reason.

    • Grigory
    • 11 years ago

    Strange, do they think that they will sell more with shifted sales? I wish I knew enough about economics to comment about it on the Internet. 🙁

    Edit: Sorry, I got owned by reply. My original (double posted) message the guys below were kind enough to reply to was as follows:

    Because they want to sell their products as profitable as possible. A lot of people consider that evil these days.

      • ssidbroadcast
      • 11 years ago

      Yeah I can empathize with that, but I’m also in line with what Blizz execs said. The “Windows Live” platform, the “Games For Windows” platform, etc these are decent marketing tools, but how about bringing back direct sound or eliminating 16-bit era cruft from your OS ?

      • no51
      • 11 years ago

      It’s only evil if Microsoft does it. When another fruit based company does it, it’s the next best thing since sliced bread.

      edit. as a response to 7

        • A_Pickle
        • 11 years ago

        Seriously. Are there ANY OS 9 apps that work on OS X?

        Oh, but Vista is crap because 5% of all apps out there, that were coded like crap in the first place, don’t work. Stupid Microsoft, why can’t you just work, like Apple?

        It must be a tough job, being a software programmer at Microsoft…

          • Grigory
          • 11 years ago

          I don’t know, sleeping on piles of money should compensate for all the Internet whining. 😉

          • Corrado
          • 11 years ago

          A MacOS 9 VM was built into OS X to run all old apps. Just pointing that out.

    • kvndoom
    • 11 years ago

    I would offer MS a 1-finger salute, but honestly, I haven’t bought (or cared about) a game they’ve published since Halo 1.

      • ludi
      • 11 years ago

      They would have gotten Halo2 money out of me, had they not made the PC release require either Vista or a h4x0r3d launch file. Interestingly, they got neither Halo2 nor Vista money out of me, since “Double or Nothing” does include “Nothing” as an option.

        • A_Pickle
        • 11 years ago

        I wish I hadn’t bought Halo 2. I should really play that game to enjoy it, but unfortunately my 2.16 GHz Core 2 Duo, 4 GB of RAM, and Mobility Radeon X1900 with 256 MB GDDR3 aren’t powerful enough to run it at 1920×1200 with no image quality enhancements.

        Strangely enough, I can run Half-Life 2; Deathmatch at a constant 60 FPS with 4x AA and 8x AF at 1920×1200, and it looks about three times better, too.

        I want my money back.

    • bowman
    • 11 years ago

    ‘On a global scale the Windows Vista business is as important as our Xbox 360 business. But in Germany for example, we want more gamers to buy our Xbox 360. If we launch a game that is on 360 and PC simultaneously, we basically shoot ourselves in the foot by allowing the German market to choose to play the PC version – because they are more likely to buy that than spend their money on the Xbox 360.’

    I can assure you, even though I am not a German, I’m not giving in to your extortionist tactics. Not a single console for me, especially not one from your company. I’ll wait for the PC version, thank you very much.

    Just one more reason why we want Vista/7 to fail utterly and let Linux take its place in the market.. This kind of monopolist idiocy.

      • Usacomp2k3
      • 11 years ago

      Eh? Where the monopolistic?

        • ssidbroadcast
        • 11 years ago

        Single seller, discriminating against market fragments, and few (no) substitutes. Obviously, when speaking of console owners, Battlefield:BC could be a substitute for MGS4 (using the term loosely). When it comes to PC owners, there IS no substitute for Battlefield:BC short of just playing yesteryear’s BF2.

          • ludi
          • 11 years ago

          Uh, the statement “I like my digital crack to come in a particular shade of off-white that only one supplier currently provides” is not consistent with the definition of “monopolistic” when digital crack is available in many colors from many suppliers.

          • Usacomp2k3
          • 11 years ago

          I see this the same as hollywood staggering movie releases from theater->PPV->DVD->cable->broadcast.

            • BiffStroganoffsky
            • 11 years ago

            The major difference here is that I didn’t have to subsidize the cost of the theater before being able to use it. I would also make the argument that the theater does provide an experience different from that of the other mediums down the list. And, as you go down the list, you could also argue that the net cost of each descending option is less expensive than the previous, something you cannot easily apply to X-Box to PC.

            • BobbinThreadbare
            • 11 years ago

            I think a more apt analogy would be if the studios delayed blu-ray releases to try and sell more DVDs.

            • Palek
            • 11 years ago

            Surely you meant to write that the other way around? Delay DVDs to sell more Blu-rays, no?

            • BobbinThreadbare
            • 11 years ago

            No, in this case blu-ray is the smaller market, but with superior technology. So the studios would want to get all the blu-ray owners to buy on DVD first.

            • ludi
            • 11 years ago

            Then the analogy doesn’t work. DVD hardware is virtually a commodity item now, just like PC hardware. Consoles, by contrast, require a commitment-type investment because the price of entry is steep, and after that they have a lock-in effect on game sales. Much like current Blu-Ray hardware and BRD releases.

        • Grigory
        • 11 years ago

        Because they want to sell their products as profitable as possible. A lot of people consider that evil these days.

      • Lord.Blue
      • 11 years ago

      Microsoft is not the only company to do this, several have gotten around to staggering their release dates for each platform, not just console or PC, but Xbox360>PC>PS3>Wii>DS>PSP, etc….
      This has almost become a standard practice for companies like Activision, EA, and Microsoft, among others.

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