Well, so much for the GPU failure poll

I thought we might gather some useful information about the failure rates for Nvidia GPUs after all of the recent brouhaha over the known problems in Nvidia mobile GPUs and rumored problems with some of their other products by posting a poll and asking for comments from folks affected by the problem. However, it turns out that we didn’t learn much that we didn’t know.

The poll results, such as they are, indicate incredibly high failure rates for all of the Nvidia parts in question. Trouble is, I also asked people who voted about a failure to "please follow up by posting a comment explaining what failed on you and how." To date, we have 3156 votes, 438 of which indicate one or more GPU failures, and I count two posts that might be relevant to the problem: one from Hatting about a failed "8600 GTX" (wait, what?) and one from adisor19 about two failed Dell XPS 1330 laptops. Neither commenter provided any information about the nature of the failure.

That makes me think we’ve pretty conclusively proven that fanboys and corporate drones will indeed stuff the ballot box in an online poll (like I said, nothing we didn’t know), but I’m in no way convinced we’re seeing a phenomenon on the order of the GXP fiasco. Nvidia has already admitted the problem with laptop chips is a real one, and we have indeed seen some anecdotal evidence about that, but nothing we’ve seen here or elsewhere convinces me that desktop G84, G86, G92, or G94 chips are failing at abnormally high rates. Could they be? Sure. But our little exercise hasn’t exposed anything shocking.

That was pretty much to be expected, I suppose, but eh. It turned out differently in the case of the GXP.

We’ll keep watching this story for signs of life, of course, but I’m going to go ahead and close the poll. We’ll replace it with this new one, which should be just as much fun.

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    • Gerbil Highlander
    • 11 years ago

    I’m one of the many that reported the failures and, as many of the voters, I believe, I failed to notice that I should have explained the failure. It was a BFG 8800 GT that died without explanation after only four months of use. As it is in a PC that I built for a friend, which lives in Brazil, getting a replacement through the warranty is going to be a nightmare.

      • Gerbil Highlander
      • 11 years ago

      Sorry about the double post, I thought the first one didn’t get through

    • Gerbil Highlander
    • 11 years ago

    I’m one of the many that reported the failures and, as many of the voters, I believe, I failed to notice that I should have explained the failure. It was a BFG 8800 GT that died without explanation after only four months of use. As it is in a PC that I built for a friend, which lives in Brazil, getting a replacement through the warranty is going to be a nightmare.

    • sigher
    • 11 years ago

    I myself reserve the word ‘stuffing’ for a person or group doing deliberate multiple votes to get results they want, the behaviour of people using ‘funny’ or random single voting in polls I would not call ‘stuffing’, that I call ‘the freaking internet’ 😉

    • Flickshots
    • 11 years ago

    Umm, if I remember correctly, The desktop chips were ahead of the laptop chips in regards to failure rate according to the poll. So if there was stuffing then all polls had to increase at least in the same pattern. But this poll here showed that the desktop chips were failing more often. So if nvidia aknowledged a problem with laptop chips then it’s clear desktop chips also have a problem and there is no stuffing involved. I was one of the people who had problems with two 8800GT’s out of 3 that I bought, was too lazy to make a post because I had to register. Both were XFX. First one had crashing problems. The second one had overheating problems and design flaws, like the mosfets on the wrong side. That card ended up frying in 2 weeks. Now I have one from EVGA and it’s running ok.

    I am totally against this conclusion about stuffing. Most people were just too lazy to post something cause of logging in.

      • Cuhulin
      • 11 years ago

      No, the poll did not measure rate of failure, merely the numbers that failed. I own a notebook with an Nvidia chip, for example, but I did not even notice the poll, let alone vote in it, so mine would not have counted. (The chip didn’t fail, btw, but it may be older than the ones at issue anyway.)

      I would expect that there are far fewer of the applicable notebook chips out there than desktop chips. As a result, having more desktop chips fail would not be disproportionate.

      However, I think there is something else going on with the desktops as well that makes this case differ from the hard drive polls a few years ago.

      Enthusiasts change video cards a lot more frequently than hard drives, I believe, simply because of the work involved. A new video card means pop the hood, take the old one out, put the new in, maybe a new power supply if there’s a big change, put the hood on, maybe uninstall old video drivers, install new ones and done — 15-30 minutes.

      A hard drive change, particularly if one has a single drive, means a software rebuild, which can take the better part of a day (unless you’re set up with a spare drive, a good image program, a good partition program, and so on, and even then, when I change drives, I figure this is a good time for the “time to rebuild windows grind” anyway.)

      Moreover, at least until the current generation, the improvements have been greater from the new video card. As a result, I think a lot of old cards never got a chance to fail.

    • YeuEmMaiMai
    • 11 years ago

    i have had MULTIPLE 7600 GO failures in an Alienware laptop………

      • sigher
      • 11 years ago

      Multiple in a single laptop? That seems rather dubious as being the problem discussed, if you have crashes but the thing still works it might just be bad drivers, or poor cooling, or even lack of power, not this issue of the chip and substrate handling temperature differently causing crack failure of parts after some time bricking the component completely.

        • YeuEmMaiMai
        • 11 years ago

        when they replaced the video card and the problem disapeared for 4+ months, I would say it is definately a problem with the hardware.

    • duffy
    • 11 years ago

    Here’s me thinking everything posted on the internet is reliable…

    • Cuhulin
    • 11 years ago

    I’m a little surprised at the conclusion you draw.

    Sure, there is some stuffing, but there also is no basis for assuming that the stuffing has significantly canted the results, particularly since Nvidia has stated that there is a problem.

    Look at the two largest categories: that the people with Nvidia cards had no problem, and that the people did not have those cards. If the poll was being dominated by box-stuffers, you would have had more votes about people with problems and very few about people who didn’t have the cards.

      • Meadows
      • 11 years ago

      I’m not surprised. He explicitly asked people with issues to leave a comment and describe said issues – there were a boatload of votes just for s***s and giggles, but no comments or explanations whatsoever.

        • Scrotos
        • 11 years ago

        Yeah, but how many people would want to bother to register a name just to post their story? That’s much more effort that just clicking vote. I forget why I bothered to register a name in the first place, myself.

        But I dunno, apathy is a huge factor, I think. I think he used his jump-to-conclusions mat too quickly with this.

        Or, if anonymous posting is on, I’m completely wrong. But I thought that was disabled, so…

          • clone
          • 11 years ago

          how many want to register and how many bothered to read past the title and answered the poll.

          I was surprised by the conclusion despite wondering about ballot stuffing.

          the results seem closer to the mark than I would have expected if ballot stuffing was happening, Nvidia had alot of problems with 1st revision 8800 GT’s it’s no surprise the results were moving towards 4%.

          when I bought both of my 8800 GT OC’s I bought them full well in the knowledge that they had cooling issues and were failing so I bought Arctic coolers for them…. I’ve since sold them but I expect they will last.

    • rechicero
    • 11 years ago

    I don’t think is stuffed, but I wouldn’t call these polls “useful”.

    In a poll about a failing part, almost everybody (everybody that see the poll, I mean) with a faulty one will vote, because they’re angry and need to do “something”, but that’s not the case if you have a good one. In that case, you’ll probably not bother about it. Laziness, people..

    In my experience (8800 GTS 512), It works ok, and I didn’t vote but I wouldn’t buy it again. When used as DVD player PQ is awesome but, sometimes, it displays red horizontal lines :-(.

    • JdL
    • 11 years ago

    Dude — a POLL is not a SURVEY. You were trying to do a survey in the same space as a poll — not going to work. If you were to announce the survey as a TR article and feature it on the front page, now that would get the attention it would need. 🙂

    • Cannyone
    • 11 years ago

    Somehow I missed this one… However, I did have a G92 – specifically a Palit 8800GT Sonic 1GB – fail completely in less than two weeks after purchase. The card in question was one, of two, in an SLI setup. At first I didn’t realize it had failed. I did get a BSoD, but the system restarted so quickly I wasn’t able to see the cause. After that my performance dropped but I was convinced that was due to “other factors”. When I did realize that “SLI” was no longer functioning, I tried all kinds of things because I could not believe a part that new could just die.

    There just aren’t any conditions that would contribute to this failure. My power supply has adequate voltage, and amperage. It is also a high efficiency unit that is SLI Certified. Plus my case, a Coolmaster Stacker 830 Evo has plenty of cooling. Even for 2 hot video cards. And the system is attached to an APC Un-Interuptable power supply. So it wasn’t a dip in the grid voltage that caused this part to die.

    There is a possibility that I did vote in this poll. But I didn’t have time to comment. That’s also within the realm of possibility for others, don’t you think? So even “if” you don’t have a true “representative sample” (among TR readers in general). That doesn’t mean there isn’t a problem. The one occurrence that could be most telling is if several of Nvidia’s partners start to discontinue product lines corresponding to those chips.

    All someone like me can tell you is that: “Yes I had a G92 fail”. I just hope the replacement, and the other original card continue to work.

    • Chrispy_
    • 11 years ago

    108% of the 36,189,185 ATi nvidiox G200 4D graphics adapters I’ve purchased since September 1863 have failed because of the G84, G86, G92, or G94 manufacturing defects, whatever that means (I didn’t bother reading about any of this, I just like typing in boxes that appear on the internet).

    The majority of these failures were fictional or imagined but I posted in the poll anyway based on my religious beliefs.

    • Sniper
    • 11 years ago

    I voted on the poll.

    I’m in the process of RMAing my GeForce 9600GT. (G94)
    It consistently locks up during gameplay for brief intervals.

    Note: completely unrelated to “stuttering” from loading graphics assets for the first time.

    • PoohPall
    • 11 years ago

    99% of the 8600GT cards we’ve sold turned out to be faulty. . .

    • Fighterpilot
    • 11 years ago

    Well now we know where some of the votes came from…
    Quote from Beyond3d member “weeds”
    l[http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=48843&page=15<]§ ..... and more from Chris Ray l[

    • computron9000
    • 11 years ago

    Can’t you limit it to FORUM MEMBERS only?

    • Fighterpilot
    • 11 years ago

    Shouldn’t the new poll in this article have a “totally lame” option below the ATI choice?(which is pretty lame in itself imo)

      • computron9000
      • 11 years ago

      Oh come on. It’s just a joke. That’s why it has an exclamation point.

      • computron9000
      • 11 years ago

      I suppose you’d have been upset if there was a Darth Vader option?

    • Fighterpilot
    • 11 years ago

    I voted (once) for the “I don’t have one ” option.
    Can’t TR correlate the votes with IP addresses to see if there was stuffing?
    I guess I’m one of the biggest ATI fans here but I seriously doubt that TR guys would try and stuff up the poll and there’s hardly a plethora of die hard ATI fans here anyway.
    Surely the best way would be to open a thread in the forums and require each vote to have an owner.
    I tried to do this with the”So now you actually own Vista….how do you like it thread?” that I posted a few months back.
    It seemed to work fairly well doing it that way and results seemed believable.

      • Convert
      • 11 years ago

      q[

    • aboldbeginning
    • 11 years ago

    I have a 8800 gts and have been running it nearly nonstop since I got it (about a year ago) with no problems.

      • asdsa
      • 11 years ago

      Wow, thats one achievement from nvidia card. I have Matrox Millenium from year 1995 still running good.

        • Meadows
        • 11 years ago

        I have a 20 month old 8600 GT overclocked, on a passive cooler, used for gaming and running fine. I doubt it will die before it’s upgraded.

          • toyota
          • 11 years ago

          the 8600gt wasnt even out 20 months ago. the 8600gt came out the last half of April 2007 and passive cooled version didnt come out until several weeks after that. the oldest your card could be is 14-15 months.

          that being said I have an 8600gt since April 2007 that will oc to 667 core/ 1775 memory with no problems and game on it every day.

            • Meadows
            • 11 years ago

            Yeah, ballpark figure. I admit to not remembering dates right.
            The point remains, it’s pretty warm (OC and passive cooling) but it has shown absolutely no sign of an issue.

    • oneofthem
    • 11 years ago

    ATI! (393 votes)

    I see what you did thar

      • cegras
      • 11 years ago

      Oh noez, nvidia fanboys are out in force!

    • MadManOriginal
    • 11 years ago

    What would be more useful to know is if mobile and desktop GPU dies are manufactured on to the same package then separated in to mobile or desktop, or if they are selected pre-packaging for their destined role. In this case the packaging is what failed, apparently after heat-cycling stress which would take longer to show up on desktop parts, not the GPU itself so if I could get this answer out of NV I would.

      • kilkennycat
      • 11 years ago

      nVidia stated clearly in their original announcement that it was the packaging/bonding material that had failed. If that material fails, the silicon will spot-overheat and fail due to the defective thermal conductivity. Both nVidia and ATi silicon comes from TSMC and TSMC has had no known process failures of the silicon processes that both nV and ATi use within the time-frames of the production of any of the listed parts. Nvidia claims that the subject bonding material was only used in the parts supplied for laptop use and there does not seem to be any reliable adverse information so far with desktop parts to counter nVidia’s claim.

    • Resomegnis
    • 11 years ago

    I’ve been running a 6800 GT for 3 years OCed with stock fan and no complaints. My friend has had two 8800 GTX for about six months without a single problem or with dual 7900 in his Alienware laptop. So I haven’t seen any particular failure on Nvidia parts.

      • ssidbroadcast
      • 11 years ago

      You’ve basically described every modern GeForce that is NOT under the line of fire.

    • Forge
    • 11 years ago

    Oh, as for the requested totals, I had 4 8600GT go through RMA and one G92 show up DOA, but the current G92 is running strong and the last RMA’ed 8600GT was given as a gift and seems to be mostly OK, though now starting to cause display driver lockups and odd corruption/failures. I think it might drop again now that the 1 year warranty is over.

    Thanks for these wonderful 8600 cards, NV. They were slow and cheap when you made them, and now they gleefully die young. I kind of expected it due to the Ti4200 meltdown extravaganza, though. NV’s low end = OMFG FIRE.

      • bthylafh
      • 11 years ago

      Heh. Now I’m glad I didn’t do EVGA’s trade-in program to upgrade from my 7900GS.

        • d2brothe
        • 11 years ago

        Heh, I have one of those…I figure its got at least a year left in it, but my next card will likely be an ATi card if they keep pace with their current cards.

    • nstuff
    • 11 years ago

    You want details on Nivida issues?

    8800gtx here. Vista X64 Ultimate. Dual monitors. When watching videos or playing games, both monitors would go black and eventually go into standby mode as if the computer had been turned off. All while the sound would still play for a few minutes. That is until the whole system would freeze and sometime reboot. Upon restart, Vista always informed me that Nvidia driver caused the issue.

    Video card nor system was overheating. Video card was factory overclocked though I didn’t do anything more. A friend with the same exact 8800gtx experienced the same exact symptoms on his system when doing anything video related. Doing massive amounts of research indicated that for some reason, a new feature in Vista (TDR) would be tripped. Although it’s supposed to bring you back and in our case, it would just cause the whole computer to reboot.

    If you want to know about nvidia issues, just go ahead and google “TDR” and “Nvidia” and you’ll be filled in on what you are looking for.

      • ssidbroadcast
      • 11 years ago

      Please note that your 8800GTX is neither a g84/g86, nor is it a g92. Your issues didn’t exactly apply to the poll.

    • Forge
    • 11 years ago

    I thought this was going to be the result just as soon as the poll went up. TR style polls show the results immediately after voting. Any half-decent fanboy will occasionally see reality diverging from his chosen company’s prescribed version and will then strive mightily to bring that pesky reality back into line.

    In other words, any NVidiots would see any significant number of failure votes as a problem and begin wildly stuffing the ‘NO FAILURES HERE KK’ option as fast as their anonymizer of choice could refresh. Likewise the ATIdiots (AMDrones just doesn’t sound as good) would want those failure rates to exceed 101% and thus start stuffing the ‘OMFG FIRE’ option.

    There was no way this could work out well. I’m betting vote totals would have exceeded the number of unique IPs hitting TR inside a week.

    • Hattig
    • 11 years ago

    I meant 8600 GTS .. all I proved was that NVIDIA’s naming convention has destroyed my brain.

    Yes, NVIDIA, it is all your fault … and not the fault of my lovely friends, the bottles of beer.

    It was a Sparkle 8600GTS btw. It worked for a week, then that’s it, no picture, no nothing, it didn’t even show up as attached hardware (luckily the motherboard had integrated graphics as well).

      • kilkennycat
      • 11 years ago

      Sparkle? Ah, yes a top tier manufacturer with a lifetime warranty like eVGA and BFG… No, just 1 year….

      Verified as a GPU failure, or (far more likely) something else on the video card?

      The biggest problem with the Gxx failure poll ( besides the obvious BB-stuffing) is that the average owner of a failed board has neither the tools nor the technical training to determine whether the failure component was the GPU or something else (e.g capacitor, power-regulator etc ) on a failed video card.

        • Hattig
        • 11 years ago

        I always put it down to the fact that if hardware is going to fail, it will most likely fail early in its life, and that the card was one of the unlucky ones (it failed within the first month, I returned it to the store and got a replacement). I never thought it was down to anything else, and to be honest I don’t think it was down to whatever this current issue is.

        • paulWTAMU
        • 11 years ago

        agreed. I had to replace a video card (a 9600) to make my little brothers machine work…but I don’t know if it was a design defect or a manufacturing flaw or some funky compatibility thing.

    • flip-mode
    • 11 years ago

    Just out of curiosity, does TR have any actual evidence that the ballot has been stuffed, or is TR simply unhappy with the lack of commentary?

      • ssidbroadcast
      • 11 years ago

      2nded. I revisited that poll. *My* vote was “none of the above” like most people, but that’s because I’m on an intel GMA 950.

        • bthylafh
        • 11 years ago

        AOL. I don’t have one of these either. I expect that Damage was just upset that people voted “yes, I’ve had a problem with suchandsuch chip” and then didn’t follow up with a story.

        Also it’s hard to be even-tempered when you’re in pain.

      • shank15217
      • 11 years ago

      I would say the lack of commentary is representative of stuffing the ballot. People who said their card failed on them should have at least a one line story of why/when. After all these cards aren’t a $1.50

        • DASQ
        • 11 years ago

        No, correlation doesn’t prove causation.

        More likely people are just too effing lazy to describe what happened to their card.

          • shank15217
          • 11 years ago

          I dont think it has to prove anything, its just a hunch. A poll that was meant to gather data ended up showing nothing but a bunch of clicks.

            • hmmm
            • 11 years ago

            The problem is that posting an explanation of your cards failure requires significantly more effort than voting in the poll, especially for lurkers. From the numbers posted in this thread, it looks like about 4,000 regularly vote. I highly doubt that many post frequently. That hardly means the voters are illegitimate. That such a low percentage of readers actually post in the comments indicates that comments are a highly unrepresentative sample of computer enthusiasts (or whatever term you want to use to define TR’s readership).

            • eitje
            • 11 years ago

            one thing i WILL point out, though, is that the poll was linked to from at least one other site. So, we might not be looking at normal TR readership in those numbers.

            • hmmm
            • 11 years ago

            It seems likely that an influx of outside traffic, if significant, would have had a noticeable positive-sum impact on the number of responses. I guess that assumes we don’t normally have people linking to the polls and everyone who normally votes is a regular TR reader (not a safe assumption).

            Look, none of the data is any good (not the poll, nor the comments). I’m just saying that the poll seems more valid to me than the comments. It seems silly to through out marginal data because it doesn’t agree with bad data.

            • d2brothe
            • 11 years ago

            I believe thats the point. The poll doens’t prove anything, it could be lurkers, it could be legitimate, we don’t know the error. Comments however, are more verifiable. Very few people would bother writing a comment that lies about having a card problem. Therefor, you can get a more accurate count of how many people actually had the problem. This will help tell you if the poll was legimate or not. If the numbers match, everyone who voted bad, had a problem. Otherwise, we don’t know how many were legitimate. The poll would still be required to give us a ratio of sorts.

      • eitje
      • 11 years ago

      This poll:
      §[<http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/15302:<]§ 3163 votes Previous TR polls: §[<http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/15125:<]§ 1915 votes §[<http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/15101:<]§ 1065 votes §[<http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/15012:<]§ 6247 votes §[<http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/14924:<]§ 4548 votes §[<http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/14787:<]§ 4596 votes §[<http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/14667:<]§ 4159 votes §[<http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/14430:<]§ 2995 votes §[<http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/14562:<]§ 4304 votes So, just on the numbers, it doesn't seem like we had any MORE entrants than we would normally see in an online TR poll.

      • PRIME1
      • 11 years ago

      I imagine they have access to IP records.

      Also 3/4 of voters in this poll are blaming ATI 😛

    • JustAnEngineer
    • 11 years ago

    No, I don’t own any of ’em!

    I recently rebuilt and gave away an old machine with my Voodoo5 5500 card, and it was still working.

    • PRIME1
    • 11 years ago

    At one point the G8x desktop and laptop numbers were going up at the same rate. They could have at least been less obvious about it. O_0

    I’m sure the entire staff over at the Inq voted multiple times. 😛

      • sigher
      • 11 years ago

      Engadget does it the right way, they always have a silly bogus checkbox and nicely show how reliable such voting is by having that as well as the amount of people choosing that.
      That’s not stuffing, that’s just internet silliness, or in the case of graphics chips polls, people venting frustration with the companies perhaps, I know I had my adrenaline flowing trying to deal with both nvidia and ATI driver issues for instance.

      And then there’s the percentage (yes there is one alas) of people shoving in a graphics card while the power is on or not discharging themselves first before touching critical parts or forcing it in the slot in the wrong way and such who then often blame the company for it.
      Hell even I myself once forgot to re-connect the extra powerconnector on an AGP card, but fortunately the driver (nvidia in that case) warned me and went into low-power mode until I fixed it, kudos to nvidia for that effort! (ATI does the same detection and warning thing I’m told).

    • Ricardo Dawkins
    • 11 years ago

    what about the iPhone ?

    why isnt here any news about is worlwide woes ?

      • adisor19
      • 11 years ago

      Heheheh

      Adi

      • d2brothe
      • 11 years ago

      What about it?…this poll wasn’t about it?…Why doesn’t TR have a poll about the other 500 products people feel have failed on them today, because then we’d have 500 polls. Comment is pointless….

    • SecretMaster
    • 11 years ago

    Maybe it would have been better only to allow registered TR members to vote?

    Probably not.

    • clhensle
    • 11 years ago

    With my last job I installed servers for hospitals and built workstations for image reading, every single one of them had a 8xxx (mostly passive cooled gigabyte 8400s) video card in it (except very early ones had 7xxx cards) as the desktop card (plus a PCI card to run the big greyscale high res image monitors) and not a single one failed, no DOA’s no failures ever. My work computer also had a 8400 in it, and my roommate took over my job, time will tell if anything fails.

    • no51
    • 11 years ago

    What? My 2 dead G92GTS didn’t count?

      • ssidbroadcast
      • 11 years ago

      It didn’t if you didn’t follow up your vote with an explanation.

    • pikaporeon
    • 11 years ago

    I didn’t vote – I had an 8800 GT fail, but it was likely due to a wonky power supply.

    • aBott
    • 11 years ago

    I’m not a fanboy either way, but that poll, and its results, are hilarious!

    • adisor19
    • 11 years ago

    AWESOME ! I got mentioned on the front page, AGAIN 😀
    (This time in a more constructive manner :))

    OK now onto serious business. The first time the XPS1330 failed, the video output would become garbled randomly up to a point where the screen was just black or the laptop refused to boot. The mobo got changed and after a few months, a similar thing started happening only this time the screen was showing corruption with pink line everywhere. Dell replaced the mobo once again and right now it’s running fine.

    Adi

      • ssidbroadcast
      • 11 years ago

      Yeah you’re a real lucky SOB, I don’t get it.

    • WaltC
    • 11 years ago

    I actually have a 8800GT, which is now populating the wife’s machine, and with which I’ve had no failure to report. I voted that way in the poll.

    But really, why should ATi bother stuffing such a poll as this? I mean, the publicity generated by nVidia’s own public announcements in that regard are far more detrimental to nVidia’s fortunes, wouldn’t you agree? I don’t see how stuffing this poll might possibly improve on that, at least for ATi…;)

      • Ragnar Dan
      • 11 years ago

      Whatever the case, you ought to be using that 8800GT to fold for TR’s team 2630.

        • WaltC
        • 11 years ago

        Well, I /[

      • PRIME1
      • 11 years ago

      l[

        • sigher
        • 11 years ago

        Seeing that techreports uses your IP to prevent double votes it would be quite the effort if one single person/company did it, but as is said, I think techreport just confuses with the use of the word ‘stuffing’ for something which isn’t stuffing but more ‘senseless clicking on checkboxes’.

    • jdaven
    • 11 years ago

    Taking a poll from a specific tech website will never ever tell you anything. Other than the inherent bias from fanbois and supposed corporate ballot box stuffers, how many users actually have the knowledge and tools available to diagnose a problem as specific as failure of the die packaging in a select lot of Nvidia chips?

    With all the crashes and failures from drivers to corrupt Windows installs, how is anyone suppose to pinpoint the actual problem.

    Besides, tech enthusiasts like the readers at TR usually research their rigs very well and get them running smoothly. Then they push them to the limit so that any bugs will come out and the suspect software/hardware is return for refund/exchange without question.

    Your poll was absolutely flawed before it was even posted.

    • bdwilcox
    • 11 years ago

    I think the nvidia laptop parts are failing due to the laptop’s inability to provide sufficient cooling. I don’t see this to be much of a problem with desktop parts that usually have over-adequate cooling.

    • DrDillyBar
    • 11 years ago

    We are not impressed.

    • Convert
    • 11 years ago

    I am sure the ATI fanboys here on the site had their fair share of ballot stuffing.

      • BiffStroganoffsky
      • 11 years ago

      ATI fanboys like to stuff tutus!?! Does this make Nvidia drones mosh pit denizens?

        • Convert
        • 11 years ago

        Haha, nice catch.

        • eitje
        • 11 years ago

        i’m guessing the original post said “ballet”, which is awesome. 🙂

    • cygnus1
    • 11 years ago

    like i voted in the original poll, 9600GT here running strong since launch

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