GPU price analysis: AMD undercuts Nvidia in multiple segments

AMD has a general pricing edge over Nvidia in several key segments, according to our latest look at graphics card pricing. Since we’ve already gauged how AMD’s and Nvidia’s new GPU lineups perform in our recent round of reviews, we were curious to see how they matched on the price ladder. To that end, we’ve analyzed pricing data for 10 competing AMD and Nvidia GPUs in five different segments.

This endeavor involved a copious amount of data (pricing information for 122 cards in total), so we limited our search to Newegg.com and opted not to publish our giant Excel spreadsheet here. We indexed median prices, lowest prices, and median prices after mail-in rebates for each GPU. Here are the results:

Our graph shows the rough structure of the market, but if you need a little primer and don’t have time to peruse our latest GPU reviews, here’s a quick look at which cards purportedly compete against which:

  • GeForce 9600 GSO vs. Radeon HD 4670
  • GeForce 9800 GT vs. Radeon HD 4830
  • GeForce 9800 GTX+ vs. Radeon HD 4850
  • GeForce GTX 260 vs. Radeon HD 4870
  • GeForce GTX 260 Reloaded (216 SPs) vs. Radeon HD 4870 1GB

AMD has set the market lately with a string of new product introductions in the Radeon HD 4000 series, and Nvidia has responded with revamped products or revised pricing on existing ones, so the competitive slate you see above is based largely on Nvidia’s product positioning claims.  Nvidia and AMD are pretty closely matched on the performance side of things, especially for the last two cards in the list above, but AMD’s other offerings tend to outperform the competition slightly overall.

Our pricing data, then, suggest Radeons frequently offer better value in terms of price-performance ratios. The GeForce GTX 260 "Reloaded" and the Radeon HD 4870 1GB have identical median prices, but AMD cards have lower median prices in all other segments.

Well, maybe that’s not entirely fair. The GeForce 9800 GT may have a $1 higher median price than the Radeon HD 4830, but Nvidia offers cheaper variants than AMD does.  Then again, median prices favor the AMD offering if we take mail-in rebates into account.

Accounting for mail-in rebates also shows the GeForce GTX 260 "Reloaded" in a more favorable light, because its median post-rebate price is just $283 (compared to $300 for AMD’s competitor).

Speaking of mail-in rebates, we should probably talk about the GeForce 9600 GSO for a minute. Nvidia re-introduced its old GeForce 8800 GS under that name to steal the spotlight from AMD’s Radeon HD 4670, and when we wrote our review, Newegg was offering a 9600 GSO for $100 with a $50 mail-in rebate. Sure, the Radeon HD 4670 was slightly faster overall, but it also cost $80 without rebates—not as good a deal for folks who don’t share our distrust of MIRs.

The picture has changed quite a bit since then, however.

The 4670 is now available for $65 after rebate ($80 before), while the EVGA the card we reviewed now costs $105, and its rebate has expired. The cheapest 9600 GSO you’ll find at Newegg costs $80 with no special deals. If you want a 9600 GSO for $50 after rebate, you’ll have to settle for a cut-down version with slow DDR2 memory. Such price fluctuations aren’t uncommon in the aftermath of product launches, and they make our job of comparing cards just that much trickier—which is why we do these pricing comparisons every once in a while.

All things considered, AMD seems to be in a pretty good position right now, and it’s no wonder its share of graphics card sales was on the rise last quarter. The Radeon HD 4670 and Radeon HD 4850 seem to be the most advantageously priced compared to their competitors, while Nvidia might have a slight edge at the $300 price point thanks to juicier mail-in rebates for its GeForce GTX 260 "Reloaded."

With that said, we should note that Nvidia tends to have a stronger list of board partners with broader offerings in terms of custom coolers, game bundles, and the range and scope of "overclocked in the box" cards offered. The higher median prices for GeForces on Newegg may, in part, reflect that reality.

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    • Silicondoc
    • 12 years ago

    Ok, so anyway, who thinks dealing with CCC and the dotnet must install horrors as well as the use this other catalyst driver version “fix” so often NEEDED, is worth it ?
    Hmm… well it’s kinda too late if you’re stuck with that problem. At least you can brag about “Conan” being faster. Not much of a tradeoff, really, and BTW – make sure you use catalyst 8.7 for that Conan win, or you might have BSD’s.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 12 years ago

      I’ve not had a problem with CCC or .net, which is standard in Vista I believe, in the last 4 months before which I owned an NV card. I know people have had problems in the past but there were problems with NV drivers too, problems in the past don’t mean the problems are sitll there though.

    • ub3r
    • 12 years ago

    Why have rebates??
    Cant we have a direct price cut??

    • derFunkenstein
    • 12 years ago

    TechReport? More like NewEgg AdReport!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!11

    Only kidding? Maybe.

    • maroon1
    • 12 years ago

    Why they compare 9600GSO to HD4670 when you can get 9600GT for the same price and it performs better than both

      • mczak
      • 12 years ago

      I think because it is _slightly_ more expensive, on average. I’d agree though it’s a better deal than the 9600gso, while it’s more expensive than the HD4670 it’s also generally faster (and faster than the 9600gso, not to mention the gso often runs into memory limits).

    • Silicondoc
    • 12 years ago

    Glad you said it PRIME1 , because I was ready to explode if it wasn’t said.
    That’s exactly what I bought GTX 260 for $199.00 for my <$1,000.00 rig.
    I’m still happy because it’s still an excellent price – and it has exceeded my expectations and it comes overclocked as you may have noticed in the reviews.
    Not a single issue with – the included drivers works wonderfully, the panel config accessed by right click desktop is great – customizing for a huge list of games included.
    I simply cannot imagine someone going 4850 and even 4870 – since you’re either near the same price for so much less performance, or you’re $100 over that price for the same give or take the game – minus the driver support, and game compatibility, etc.
    I made a very wise choice.
    I’ll also MOAN that in so many of the reviews and benchmark comparisons, the places love to put two 4750’s together or two 4780’s but they never seem to want to do two GTX260’s – which scale VERY WELL.
    So, it’s not always what they include that should almost always tip everyone off, but indeed what they leave out.
    I found ONE review chart with the 260’s sli’ed. LOL Just one…..now something is up with that – I guess AMD/ATI have a lot of friends, or some wise reviewers who dearly hope to keep competition going well so we get those lovely price drops which have been coming so often of late.

      • Meadows
      • 12 years ago

      1. Included drivers are never great. Update them.
      2. ATI cards are just as “compatible” with games as yours, and believe it or not, driver support is free for the red side as well.
      3. Keep moaning all you want, because GeForce cards do _[

        • Draxo
        • 12 years ago

        Have you tried the physics that nv includes for their part. War Monger runs well on my 8600 gts. Would I actually use it. No. I did run the demos included in the driver release and wouldn’t you know the cpu for some reason maxed out a core.

        • Silicondoc
        • 12 years ago

        Dear Meadows,
        1. The included drivers are great, and I certainly won’t do what you tell me to do with MY system – which runs for weeks with no rebooting ever required for anything except installing certain new programs. I’d be an idiot to listen to you – so of course, do it to your own system, instead of telling successful others to follow your lame advice.
        2. ATI cards have had driver problems ( especially SLI driver problems – nearly all the review sites say so), and you as well as I know almost ALL the popular games start off with a splash screen for Nvidia ” the way games are meant to be played”. That settles it- as far as who the game developers work more closely with. If you were smart, you’d argue games are more optimized for Nvidia given the information I just pointed out, and therefore an ATI card has more unlocked “potential” – however smart does not seem to be your strong suit in your reply to me.
        3. You didn’t like the information behind the moan, and if Nvidia is CPU bound, that merely shows the cards have a HIGHER potential than the ATI competition – which is ALREADY MAXXED – and the bottleneck – since no CPU power can help ( according your WHINE) – lol – that’s 0 for 3 for you buddy.
        4. I’m not sure what you mean by Nvidia tips people off more often (maybe you meant “ticks” as in makes angry)- but we CAN AGREE that (at least if you know what I do) that Nvidia has some marketing tactics (concerning vendor control and pricing) that I don’t like.
        0 for 4 with a grammatical glitch or be nice and I’ll call it 0 for 3 +1
        5. Ok, for this claim you are an nvidia user and fan in the light sense – whatever that means – other than you’re a “heavier” fan of AMD/ATI – I’m going to peruse your other posts, and find out if you told the truth.
        ____________
        It appears you are merely a smart aleck remarker from your posts on this page.
        meadows: You’re the guy who can’t bear losing, eh?
        meadows: “Loose” is the opposite of “tight”. Try that with “lose” now.
        meadows: Yes, with all due haste, time is of the essence.
        meadows: By “fixing”, you meant making a fool out of yourself, I see.
        By the way, what I meant can be condensed into the word “hurry!”
        _____________________________________________

        There may be other smart aleck remarks made by you – I’m done checking. The conclusion is – you aren’t a raging ATI fanboy – just a smart aleck.
        Also, I’ll congratulate myself for bringing out in you the most “intellectual attempt” at a posted reply you’ve made that I’ve seen.
        I’m also congratulating myself for DESTROYING your idiotic presumptions, since it’s always nice to see a smart aleck get back more than they can ever deliver to someone else.
        Have a nice pout, no need to talk back, but if you rise above smart aleck and actually want to attempt to tell me something – PLEASE DO SO – I’d LOVE to respond again.
        Sincerely,
        SiliconDoc
        ( ps- I also own quite a number of AMD/ATI videocards as well- and MUCH prefer to use Omega drivers *look it up if you’re clueless* without CCC) ( yes that was perhaps unfair claiming you’re probably clueless, but then again, you deserved it !)
        Now next time, don’t expect to do any marching in this direction !
        lol
        Oh my, the joys of the internet.

          • DrDillyBar
          • 12 years ago

          Did you just say TWIMTBP settles it? 😐

            • Silicondoc
            • 12 years ago

            I said a lot more than that DrDillyBar. Was that the best you could do, too ?
            LOL
            The ATI fanboys and general smart alecks aren’t doing very well in terms of rebuttals…
            Maybe another someone with a mind instead of a smart e remark derangement syndrome will come along, but I doubt it.
            Swim in it bub. It’s what you do.

            • DrDillyBar
            • 12 years ago

            A “yes” would sum up many paragraphs.

            • Silicondoc
            • 12 years ago

            A comment worth reading might be several paragraphs Dilly. A smart aleck might not be worth reading at all. Knowing the answer to your own query, before posting it, might be indicative of the latter. Yes. Want another kick ?
            lol

            • DrDillyBar
            • 12 years ago

            But EVERY comment is several paragraphs 😛

            • Silicondoc
            • 12 years ago

            Shall we badge you professional whiner or liar ? Perhaps a smart aleck bozo button for the thread, since “being nice” is your sissy friend’s rule for others ?
            How does that work for you and yer perchance sametime sidekick there ?
            Ya both ATI tinkerers ? ( Not that I even expect you to be – it’s been clear for a long time smart aleck e yakkers love repeating the thousand time repeated and honored insults ad stupiditum. I can’t even give you a point for originality. You can’t say the same. )

            • DrDillyBar
            • 12 years ago

            It’ll take more then that my friend. Not a liar tho. Any questions are likely answered here: §[<https://techreport.com/discussions.x/14590<]§

            • Silicondoc
            • 12 years ago

            Well I see your ATI favored history – and don’t have a problem with it, since it was early on – I’ve already mentioned the visual advantage is gone.
            I don’t see any other rebuttals concerning the big issues I brought up CCC/ . net- and the reason is, easily assumed, because you’ve experienced them.
            Thanks for at least answering a question, so good luck and happy multi-media (and gaming too, if you do that).

          • Fighterpilot
          • 12 years ago

          l[

        • Silicondoc
        • 12 years ago

        Well mr meadows – I’ll have to tell you, then SHOW YOU – again…
        1. “Included drivers are never great- APPLIES TO ATI – not to Nvidia – yes we all know it – you ATI fanboys have had a TERRIBLE TIME with included drivers – my golly it’s a RITUAL to head to the crappy AMD site and go through 5 or 6 DIFFERENT catalyst driver versions – from 7.1 all the way up to 8.6 or whatever they have now- till you find ONE that runs your card stable in the games you use….
        YES THAT’S THE TRUTH – YOU PROJECTED YOUR PERSONAL NIGHTMARE with yer ATI 4870 onto NVIDIA – shame shame !
        3. mr meadows claims geforce cards do not scale well in Sli…
        Well, at least one other poster had some sense about him and noticed what I pointed out about 260 Sli’ed reviews being short – and since you mr meadows the incorrect smart aleck make an assertion with no evidence, here’s a 260 Sli’ed CHART – the one i mentioned I found – have at it sonny – do your best denying 90.9% scaling in 3d mark vantage 2006 at the highest settings… LOL
        §[<http://www.overclock.net/attachments/hardware-news/75517d1213541524-hardware-infos-gtx-280-260-sli-gtx280_sli_performance_results.gif<]§ __________________________ Yep, if you keep lying to yourself, you'll be happy. How's that horrific CCC treating you ?

          • SubSeven
          • 12 years ago

          I have never actually seen a person having a nervous breakdown on the internet before, but after reading posts 78-83, i think it would be pretty safe to say that this is a perfect example. Calm down man, i’ve never seen anyone so WOUND UP about a disagreement on graphics cards. You are going to die at a very young age if you keep this up. Oh and btw, i’m pretty sure Nvidia is very glad to a have a customer like you, stay healthy man.

            • Silicondoc
            • 12 years ago

            SubSeven, you are another smart aleck, and I won’t be taking your juvenile “e advice”.
            If you’d like to make a counterpoint or say something productive, instead of being a juvee – with a problem, feel free to, and then of course you’ll get a decent response.
            Since you don’t deserve one this time, you won’t get one – and with your attitude- not only will more than one person with a backbone deck you and injure your already ugly mug further for opening yer yap, when you shouldn’t and saying nothing- you’ll have an emotional breakdown because you’re so sensitive – you see “people that need to calm down” – and of course – early death – on a vid card blog …
            I predict your spineless feminine touchiness genes will result in you – contracting some strange unheard of illness – and dying young.
            ( There, I hope you feel good – taking what you dish out there noodles )
            Now, anything to say concerning the videocards and my comments on that topic ?
            No ?
            Didn’t think so.

            • SubSeven
            • 12 years ago

            I rest my case your honor.

            P.S. I hope one day our roads cross, so your very coveted opportunity to “deck me”.

            • Silicondoc
            • 12 years ago

            No you don’t hope so SubSeven, in fact you hope you never see me in person.
            You came in, made your smart aleck remark , then got put in your place for it. You still have nothing to say concerning the cards, and of course, you won’t.
            It’s not my fault a good majority of posters are merely smart aleck juvenile trolls – sensitive little girls with nothing better to do than criticize others – then when challenged with a real response, others like you wind up whining someone else isn’t just an ankle biting idiot, smart aleck, or liar, like some of the rest, those you apparently side with.
            You’re one of them, that’s why you “have a problem”.
            You’ll die young, remember that, genetic sissy.

      • Fighterpilot
      • 12 years ago

      So you joined TR today to avoid exploding with rage about ATI cards?
      Uh huh….ew k…welcome to TR -[

        • Silicondoc
        • 12 years ago

        No, I joined TR because in my endless tech article reading, something caught my eye.
        Perhaps you failed to notice my comments on the pricing structure – the article’s title didn’t work for me since I got a $200 GTX 260 oc @ 620 factory for that price and the included game.
        Therefore, I couldn’t imagine someone else (especially readers here who no doubt have NewEgg prices as part of the hardware purchasing places in mind) – going in that direction.
        I explained myself quite well – and seeing how a few just don’t get it – or would rather snipe like you – another smart aleck claiming I’m a troll (sure appears YOU ARE to me – yes we’ll see perhaps)- because they CANNOT UNDERSTAND or WILL NOT understand price/performance even when it is plainly pointed out…
        Sorry I got such a good deal –
        BTW – the very cards as of yesterday were still available there – not that you’d care or even understand this last line.
        Have nice day and enjoy your videocards and gaming – and don’t be so quick to bite ankles of new posters. ( I BITE BACK and win – rest assured)
        SiliconDoc

      • clone
      • 12 years ago

      I got my 4870 with a 750 watt Corsair TX psu both for $299.00 and their wasn’t any chance I was going to consider a 260 because the cheapest card was $239.00 for the 192 model.

      timing is everything.

      I could have opted for a 4870 for $189.00 but it was a different brand and wasn’t interested in it…..your 260 was likely one of the older 192 models which performs fine but is as mentoined on it’s way out.

      the 216 looks better on the performance side but the costs hurt it.

      their are so many problems on the Nvidia side atm outside of the 260 / 280 with broken hd on the 9xxx and 8xxx series and support for only DX10 with the 2xx’s series…… the cards just aren’t equal to an ATI atm even when they benefit from a cppl extra fps in some benches as both cards can be run at the same playable settings.

      what’s worse for Nvidia is that when MIR’s are factored ATI still wins albeit the differences are pretty close on all accounts…….. no one is saying it’s a slam dunk but the results do favor ATI not only in price but in feature set.

        • Silicondoc
        • 12 years ago

        Well, you spent $100 bucks more – 4870’s are not $200 even to this very moment. The cheapest on newegg right now is $215 after rebate – at the time of my purchase – there were all near $300 with no power supply.
        So you got a good deal too, for $100 bucks more – you must have needed a PSU.
        As to your other assertions, I’m not sure how you’ve managed to snowball yourself.
        cloner ” no one is saying it’s a slam dunk but the results do favor ATI not only in price but in feature set. ”
        ____________
        LOL – you claimed there was a $189.00 4870 – but then again who knows where – since they’re still $245 MINIMUM before rebate at the egg.
        What HAS OCCURRED is the 4870 is coming DOWN in price. $300 and ABOVE quite often was way too high.
        I also find your comment that the 260 /192 is “on it’s way out” to PURE FANTASY – lol – exposing the fanboy in you… I suppose two years from now when the GTX260/192 is selling like the 8800 itterations are today you’l claim again “it’s on it’s way out” ( pretty RIDICULOUS of you, don’t you think ?) hahaha
        Then you whine about the 9x and 8x series nvidia – trying to get a tangental hit on the 260 by starting your sentence in reference to it. LOL
        Buddy – enjoy yer EXPENSIVE $300 purchase, I know I’m absolutely enjoying mine at $200 with a free game – and ZERO problems.
        No overheating, no gigantic electric bill suction – no games without the Nvidia logo launching – lol
        Hey the 4870 is a great card- I CAN’T STAND the CCC control center- the giant bloated pig that it is… and neither can anyone else. ( there – that pretty much settles it) – I dissed your card…
        I’ll end with that – nearly nothing is worth the gigantic bloated hog – the CCC – not to mention the dot net framework massive msft pigload that is also required.
        Enjoy the fat bloated twin pig “drivers”. CCC and dotnet.
        There- ouch – that must have hurt!
        So sorry. ( but you guys started it! and you guys weren’t being honest!)
        Silicondoc

      • MadManOriginal
      • 12 years ago

      There’s one good reason the GTX260 might not be one’s choice – card length. The damn thing is 10.5″ long, as is the 9800GTX for that matter. At least ATi was able to keep their cards ~9.5″ which is no more than a mATX mobo and thus near guaranteed fit in any case.

        • Staypuft
        • 12 years ago

        Glad you mentioned this. I don’t really understand why nVidia’s cards are so long. Because I use a mATX mother board and case, I pretty much had to rule out the top half of nVidia’s line up. I was heavily leaning toward a 9800GTX+ because of the better cooler until I realized it wouldn’t physically fit in my case. 4850 ended up being the purchase, and I’ve been very happy with it.

        • Silicondoc
        • 12 years ago

        Good enough point MadManOriginal about the 4870 being small – although I’m not sure how far “smaller is better” will play with the internet e stiffie fanboys.
        I guess they’ell have to brag about their tiny atx minitower… instead of yakking about their Lian LI – or any other number of chest thumping equivalents.
        If you check all the other brainless respondents on all the fan sites- the most common brag is “this thing is huge!”
        lol
        ( you are however, correct in what you said)

          • MadManOriginal
          • 12 years ago

          The reason I posted that is I was darn close to getting one because after MIR it’s an excellent buy and it’s got a quality stock cooler, but it won’t fit in the case I have chosen. 🙁 I ‘settled’ on a lightly used 4850 and am happy with that though.

      • Kurotetsu
      • 12 years ago

      It IS weird that you don’t see very many GTX260/GTX280 SLI benchmarks. I recall back when Geforce 8 was the hot stuff there were a ton of 8800GTX/8800 Ultra SLI benchmarks floating around. I guess reviewers are starting to realize that SLI (and Crossfire) really isn’t a priority to most gamers and don’t bother placing as much emphasis on it.

      I personally have not seen very many 4850 and 4870 Crossfire benches either. But with the release of X2 cards from both sides, is there really a point?

        • Silicondoc
        • 12 years ago

        Thank you Kurotetsu for actually noticing some textual information – and responding like a decent person.
        I think the deal is what I stated it to be – we’ve got some real competition and because of that noone including the hardware testing reviewers really want to put AMD/ATI down – they often try to “balance” their reviews, and claiming a 4850 Sli’ed gives a 280 a run for it’s money in this or that is much more exciting and “competitive – than Sli’ing 260’s and watching the results SMASH the competition.
        It also depends on the relase dates, and ATI had been sucking wind for so long, it’s natural to give them more of a boost when they come along with a good fight…
        So the reviews are carefully tended to very often – they almost always leave out the full picture and one must move about getting other benches and comparing test rigs – before getting the entire picture.
        The “popular” sli for ATI is now the 4850 – and strangely the 8800GT is the most popular for nvidia.
        Seems to me the X58 chipset is GOING TO CHANGE ALL THAT ENTIRELY – both the Nvidia and ATI cards will work on identical rigs – so we are told….
        So, this may be the last hurrah for not being able to find equivalent comparisons on “everything popular” in the enthusiast area for a while.

    • pmonti80
    • 12 years ago

    Everyone at TechReport I want to say that I criticised you in the past because of MIR and reviews of pre overclocked models.
    BUT this post is quite interesting and very useful because the difference in price can be extrapolated to other currencies and that is useful to everyone. So thanks for this data mining and keep that good job.

    • MadManOriginal
    • 12 years ago

    Nvidia cards don’t really need custom coolers as often as recent ATi cards, the dual slot coolers in particular have been excellent ever since the 8800GTX. NV does have a big advantage in board partners too, from warranty length to quality of support the NV partners are just plain better.

    Not that I expect you guys to do this data mining often but since the data is there might as well graph it next time…the minimum price after MIR would be good to know as well. There are a few cases where this makes a certain card stand out as a deal, atm I’d have to say the GTX260 original at $200 after MIR from MSI or $230 after MIR w/ Farcry2 from eVGA stands out. That kind of performance in at $200 8 months ago was unheard of, the HD4000s really shook things up.

    I’ve been scouring info about video cards a lot lately and what I finally concluded is that there is rarely a free lunch these days. Aside from unusual deals video cards scale very smoothly in power draw/performance and price/performance except sometimes at the very top and bottom. Along with the every-$25 pricing it makes deciding not so easy.

      • indeego
      • 12 years ago

      Cards today are the best deal I can remember in a loooong time. you can’t go wrong at pretty much any of these price points.

      A year ago the market was nvidia dominated and it showed in the prices.

      Shame the economy won’t participate. Intel just gave a serious warning on revenue today. That will crush tech market tomorrow in stocksg{<.<}g

      • Silicondoc
      • 12 years ago

      That MSI with the $40 rebate at the egg also came with rainbow 6 two for free – so $200 bucks for the 260 oc @ 620 factory and a decent free full version game.
      I’m afraid the nearly always close to or over $300 4780 at the time I purchased the above MSI videocard (october 4th 2008) from the egg wasn’t anywhere near competing.
      Yes, the card has been GREAT – absolutely ZERO problems – with the included driver.
      I can’t recommend it enough – although admittedly I wished to purchase the 216 version – it’s just the price/perfformance didn’t cut it.
      I got a great “steal” – good luck to all others in that regard as well.

    • ssidbroadcast
    • 12 years ago

    Bought AMD stock today at 2.57 a share…

    … but I also bought nVidia stock, too. ; )

      • Meadows
      • 12 years ago

      You’re the guy who can’t bear losing, eh?

        • derFunkenstein
        • 12 years ago

        if he bought stock right now, all he’s going to do is lose. :p

          • no51
          • 12 years ago

          If he loses, we all lose.

          • Moe_Szyslak
          • 12 years ago

          Why? It can’t go much lower. The only way is up 😛

            • jasonalwaysready
            • 12 years ago

            I think you might be surprised how much lower it can go. the djia will probably go to 6000… at least.

            • SubSeven
            • 12 years ago

            Disagreed, the market has tested a historic resistence of 7800 several times now (and several times again in the last 10 years) and hasn’t been able to successfuly close below that level. Everytime it gets near, strong buying pulls the market back up. I say we stick at that level and trade in this area for a while until fundamentals start improving (oil goes down, new and existing home sells stop declining, prices decrease, inflation decreases, liquidity improves, and foreclosures decrease), of which several have already started to illustrate a bottom.

            • indeego
            • 12 years ago

            We haven’t even tapped the other credit markets yet. This is not a bottomg{<.<}g

            • SubSeven
            • 12 years ago

            I didn’t declare this to be a bottom, i just said we are getting close. With respect to other credit markets, which ones are you exactly referring to?

            • MadManOriginal
            • 12 years ago

            I’m interested to know what these other credit markets are as well. There’s interbank credit markets which are already hosed and priced in. Then there’s consumer credit markets, which the interbank ones affect but also have a separate impact on their own in a largely consumer economy. Again though, unless things get a lot worse, that has hit already.

            Anyone who pretends to call an exact bottom whlie it’s happening is just blowing smoke, there’s no way to know that but there are many signs we’re near a market bottom. P/E’s, outlooks already reduced and priced in are two examples. It seems like ~8500 on the DOw is bottom-ish I expect we’ll waffle around that for a while, and tbh the longer the better because it will mean more time to buy cheap stocks 🙂

            *Haha, today is one of ‘those days’ +500 points in the last 50 minutes. All this end of day stuff is kind of funny but it seems as if the buyers or short covers come out in huge force whenever it’s below mid-8000s.

            • SubSeven
            • 12 years ago

            absolutely; today’s trading day was a perfect example of what i said earlier. The dow fell below 8000 today and as soon as that happened, buyers came in and took the market higher (and it actually skyrocketed up) to close at 8800. Another strong confirmation of a good resistence at the sub 8000 level.

            • indeego
            • 12 years ago

            Your implication is that 8000 is some sort of psychological barrier for bottoming out. That is silly. People said the market couldn’t go below 10K mere months ago.

            The credit markets I’m talking about are the 50B on proposed loan to the failing auto industry.

            Loans used to pay for losing investment hedges:
            §[<http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-calpers13-2008nov13,1,7899946.story<]§ §[<http://www.reuters.com/article/Finance08/idUSTRE4AB84E20081112<]§ §[<http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aXSBUxJXX72s&refer=home<]§ Yes, CC loans that people increasingly cannot afford. §[<http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081030/meltdown_credit_cards.html<]§ (because there are no jobs, and there is no market for jobs, because this country is sorely undereducated.) And the dark hermaphrodite in the room, credit default swaps: §[<http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/30/markets/varchaver_swaps.fortune/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote<]§ We haven't even touched how the U.S. has never been in such dire straights, even during the depressiong{<:<}g §[<http://benbittrolff.blogspot.com/2008/11/really-scary-fed-charts-nov-us-bankrupt.html<]§

            • SubSeven
            • 12 years ago

            First of all, a lot of what you are pointing out is already priced in in the 40something% plunge the market has already experienced (why do you think all these assets are absolutely frozen and their markets have all dried up?).

            Secondly, i didn’t say it’s 8000, i said its around 7800-7900. Psychology has NOTHING to do with the number. I did not pull it out of a hat. If you do some technical analysis (something you are obviously very unfamiliar with) you will see that we have tested this resistence level 5 times already (once being yesterday) and five times as we approached this level, we bounced back very rapidly. Now, can we go below it? Of course; but there is strong evidence to suggest that this resistence is no slouch.

        • sdack
        • 12 years ago

        You have out-smarted yourself. Who can bear looosing money?

        Some people can /[

          • Meadows
          • 12 years ago

          “Loose” is the opposite of “tight”. Try that with “lose” now.

            • kvndoom
            • 12 years ago

            Oh NOES! Soembody used teh bad grammer on teh internets! Teh HUMANITY!!! Call the polices!

            • Meadows
            • 12 years ago

            Yes, with all due haste, time is of the essence.

            • sdack
            • 12 years ago

            Another classic one by you. If you wanted to say that you need time then you are right.

            Btw, I fixed the grammar and only for you.

            • Meadows
            • 12 years ago

            By “fixing”, you meant making a fool out of yourself, I see.

            By the way, what I meant can be condensed into the word “hurry!”

            • no51
            • 12 years ago

            /me hugs sdack and Meadows.

            • Meadows
            • 12 years ago

            Thank you.

            • sdack
            • 12 years ago

            Sycophant.

          • ssidbroadcast
          • 12 years ago

          The thing is, I only “loose” money if I sell the stock when it’s down, or if the company fails altogether. While that *might* happen with AMD that isn’t likely the case with nVidia.

          Things will start to climb permanently in mid 2009. I’m not looking for fantastic short term gains.

    • PRIME1
    • 12 years ago

    l[

    • ybf
    • 12 years ago

    It’s too bad they only found a slight liberal bias in the news media.

    It’s been well established that the truth has a liberal bias, so if the media aren’t showing a strong liberal bias…

      • derFunkenstein
      • 12 years ago

      OK, I’ll bite – just wtf are you takling about?

    • Damage
    • 12 years ago

    Ok, children. Simmah down.

    • PRIME1
    • 12 years ago

    If you have median AR, why not have lowest price AR?

    You can get a GTX 260 for $199.

    Actually even without the rebate it’s $240.

    Huh.

    §[<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127361<]§

      • Fighterpilot
      • 12 years ago

      Lower performing cards are often cheaper……
      Quote TR: “The 4870 has always been ahead of Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 260 in terms of performance”
      Anyway the umpires have spoken…deal with it.

        • PRIME1
        • 12 years ago

        Is that why they are behind NVIDIA in sales? Or is it because you are their spokeswoman?

          • Damage
          • 12 years ago

          Ok, kids. Simmah down.

            • PRIME1
            • 12 years ago

            He started it…..

            :-p

            • UberGerbil
            • 12 years ago

            If Damage has to pull over this website and go back there, you’re gonna be sorry.

            • flip-mode
            • 12 years ago

            LOL worthy

          • clone
          • 12 years ago

          r[

            • bdwilcox
            • 12 years ago

            This election, the mainstream media made Pravda look fair and balanced.

            • MadManOriginal
            • 12 years ago

            Pravda is fair and balanced, when there’s only one truth there’s no need to balance it against anything.

            • indeego
            • 12 years ago

            “1 all left wing reporting agencies immediately dismissed the results.”

            That is a rather simplistic way of looking at itg{<.<}g §[<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/10/AR2008111002643.html<]§ §[<http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/on-media-bias/?scp=1&sq=bias&st=cse<]§

            • Silicondoc
            • 12 years ago

            That’s all very interesting clone, but everyone knows the media is left wing – the percieved gigantic demonic head of FoxNews with it’s 2 % marketshare ends the case before it can be argued.
            Of course the left wing freaks lie and claim they aren’t – that way they never have to change. How pathetic it is.

            • Silicondoc
            • 12 years ago

            Oh PS – the bias in the media doesn’t translate well to bias fanboys (or girls) in the videocard deals here.
            It is clear the 4870 and 260 are more or less equivalent. There really is no argument there either. One could argue Nvidia came up with the 216 to equal the 4870 – others would say it was to surpass at the same price point.
            All the tests though say the same thing – they trade blows depending on this or that.
            Quite unlike the ravingly left lunatic msm – that hates the right leaning Fox with an unlimited passion.

    • ApockofFork
    • 12 years ago

    I like the price comparisons but would it be possible to do a couple (2 or 3) price vs. perfromance scatter plots? I’m sort of curios how the top cards compare in terms of performance and price to the lower end cards. Of course I’m being lazy and could in theory do this myself but then again I’m lazy. Mostly I want to see how the new reloaded and 1 gig 4870 compare to their untweaked brothers.

      • jackaroon
      • 12 years ago

      I became very sad when I opened this article and did not see scatter plots.

    • Mystic-G
    • 12 years ago

    Good competition. I just hope ATI can keep it up next time around to keep Nvidia from monopolizing the market once again.

    • flip-mode
    • 12 years ago

    the 4670 is a great card for the money and does so many thing right (power, size, performance, cost, features)

      • deruberhanyok
      • 12 years ago

      That kind of performance for $65 is a beautiful thing.

      • ReAp3r-G
      • 12 years ago

      got that right…almost perfect, just gotta bump the shader clock a wee bit and it’s off fighting the 9600GT/GSO

    • MaxTheLimit
    • 12 years ago

    Jesus, look at the top of the list. The performance of the 4870 1GB and the GTX 260 (216) is neck and neck, and the price average is even closer.

    Things sure are tight at that price point. This is a competitive market in all it’s glory. This is what we didn’t have when the 8800GTX first came out and blew away anything from team red.

    Things seem to separate as you go down the list though.

      • Palek
      • 12 years ago

      Cyril/Damage,

      I have a slightly on-topic inquiry.

      I just purchased a Radeon HD 4670 card recently. There is one aspect of the card that was quite disappointing: the cooler. It has a relatively small heatsink with a two-wire, fixed-speed small fan that emits a high-pitched whine. I have been looking for after-market coolers, but even if I do find the right part I will not get dynamic voltage scaling out of this card since the fan power header also has 2 pins to match the fan.

      I was curious to see if there were any 4670 boards out there with 3 or 4-pin fans so I looked back at your first review and noticed that the card and fan in your photos had a 4-pin header! But when I looked around online for actual retail products all I found were boards with 2-pin fans. Your review sample looks similar to the standard Sapphire model (save the PCB color and some minor heatsink shroud shape differences) but the Sapphire-branded card also has the 2-pin fan only. Did TR receive a pre-production sample from ATi or one of their partners? If your board is a production board, can you tell us the brand name?

      Edit: should have been a stand-alone post, not a reply.

        • ssidbroadcast
        • 12 years ago

        hey that’s interesting. how ’bout it, guys?

        • MadManOriginal
        • 12 years ago

        HIS has by far the best 4670 right now with dual slot coolers at no price premium, I’m not sure why anyone would by another model if they have the choice :-/ Well, maybe warranty but does warranty length really matter on such a low-end/price card?

          • Palek
          • 12 years ago

          Sorry, I forgot to clarify that I was looking a single-slot card. The HIS cards are nice indeed (used to have an ICE-Q X800GTO) but 2-slot coolers will not fit into the Shuttle cube for which the card is intended. (Not unless I cut a massive hole in the side, anyway.) Fanless cards are unfortunately also out of the question because the Shuttle’s drive cage gets in the way of the heatpipes that connect the heatsinks on the reverse side.

      • ecalmosthuman
      • 12 years ago

      The enthusiast graphics market is a two-horse race. Not exactly a competitive market “in all it’s glory.” It’s a hell of a lot better than it has been, but we would all be better off if there were two or three other big names mixing it up.

      Let’s go Intel!

        • MaxTheLimit
        • 12 years ago

        Gotta watch out for S3, and Intel. Even the last horses eventually finish.

          • SubSeven
          • 12 years ago

          S3? These guys are light years behind today’s norms and so is Intel. Unlike S3, at least intel has the financial & manufacturing muscle to leap forward and catch up (if it so chooses to do). If you want to keep the horse race analgy, S3 is the race-horse that’s all the way in the back because it’s missing two legs.

            • MaxTheLimit
            • 12 years ago

            *sigh*
            Yes. Thank you.

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