Evidence points to incoming 3.4GHz Phenom II

As Lynnfield looms, AMD may be about to crank up the heat on Intel’s Core 2 Quads. TweakTown and Expreview report that a new, top-of-the-line Phenom II clocked at 3.4GHz will come out this week.

Both sites refer to the CPU as the Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition. TweakTown cites no sources, while Expreview’s piece includes a purported screenshot from the ASRock website, which shows specifications for the unannounced CPU. Apparently, the X4 965 will have the same amount of cache and the same 125W power envelope as the Phenom II X4 955, just with a higher clock speed.

The two reports omit one piece of information: price. With the X4 955 currently selling for $245, AMD could charge even more for the new model—perhaps as much as what Intel asks for the $320 Core 2 Quad Q9650. That could happen, knowing how AMD has positioned quad-core Phenom IIs so far.

Of course, AMD may only have a couple of months left until Intel introduces Lynnfield, the Core i7’s more affordable sibling. Lynnfield will likely replace higher-end Core 2 Quads and push existing—and future—Phenom IIs down the price ladder.

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    • tygrus
    • 13 years ago

    AMD have plenty of good ideas but the lack of R&D funds and a “get around to it latter” mentality means they miss the market leadership and Intel keeps the sales.

    • shank15217
    • 13 years ago

    You posted that AMD hasnt’ caught up to core 2 in the last 3 years, I am saying it all depends on what benchmarks you are looking at.

    • vikramsbox
    • 13 years ago

    The Phenom II s not meant to beat the i7 or anything. Its what the Phenom should have been. At the moment, no matter what AMD says (and AMD is silent on this point)- Am3 seems to have only about a year’s life more than LGA775. But life of a socket is longer than people suggest. Most mobo makes will keep making high end chipset mobos for LGA775 for at least 2 years, there are simply too many C2D’s out there to ignore. And the C2D lags to the i7 in IPC and SMT, which no amount of clock speed can compensate. Most of the P-II and the C2D/Q lineup is sufficiently armed for the majority of users.
    Also, those who crib about AMD taking 3 years to get competitive, even Intel took 3 years (2003-06) to bring out the C2D. Doesn’t matter about tick-tock or whatever, Cos scrape and survive till they find a better architecture.Via’s business died as they let it die.
    The Phenom II’s achievement is that its captured the market’s and the users’ fancy, which is much more important than simply having a top notch $1000 product. It will enable AMD to give a much more balanced platform (unlike Phenom where the CPUs were weak, and Intel, where the IGp is weak). This ensures that a better flow of revenue is assured and AMD can comfortably fund its R&D and expansion.
    Both Intel and AMD have good and bad days. Users catch the bus and lose it (in the architecture development cycle). Ultimately, a significant leap comes in 2-3 years, when we all are ready to change our old PCs. So stop looking in between.

    • flip-mode
    • 13 years ago

    Touche. Penryn < Deneb < Conroe < Barcelona

    • flip-mode
    • 13 years ago

    You complexify too much. I’m not going to look at sever benchmarks when I go to pick out my next desktop CPU.

    Go compare the Q9550 to the x4-920. Only 30MHz separate the two, in the Q9550s favor. The Q9550 beats the x4-920 in almost every benchmark. The Q9550 beats the x4-940 in many if not most benchmarks, even though the x4-940 is working 170MHz faster. Conclusion: the Penryn CPU is faster than the Deneb CPU on a per-clock basis. It’s not science fiction or even oversimplification.

    • Krogoth
    • 13 years ago

    I think you should meet Porkster. You two will get along quite well. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Krogoth
    • 13 years ago

    Nitpick, Phenom IIs are trading blows with 45nm-based Core 2 while managing to squeeze ahead of the older 65nm-based Core 2s. Current i7 and upcoming i5 are faster then either platform.

    • shank15217
    • 13 years ago

    Really? If you look at all applications across the board, server and workstations, can you really say core 2 architecture is superior to phenoms clock for clock? You simplify the comparison a bit too much.

    • MadManOriginal
    • 13 years ago

    Huh? It’s more like AMD can compete now, broadly speaking, with the Athlon II and Phenom II x2s competing in lower market segments now instead of getting blown away. The advantage they have atm is price by a bit but Intel can easily launch new CPUs with higher clocks to replace previous ones or shuffle their lineup, enable more cache etc.

    • flip-mode
    • 13 years ago

    The funny part is it is possible that I have owned more AMD hardware than him.

    • OneArmedScissor
    • 13 years ago

    Xtreview has had several news posts about the Phenom II 965. The latest one said it will be the same price as the 955.

    They’ve cut prices on Phenom IIs and are apparently doing away with a few models, so it only makes sense.

    • OneArmedScissor
    • 13 years ago

    Eh the Phenom II 810 quad-core is only $140, though, and it’s not even the slowest, and you can get the 710 tri-core for $99.

    It’s incredibly unlikely that Intel will make drastic changes in their prices, as the furthest they’ve gone was to knock about $40 off the Q9550, and the Lynnfields aren’t really going to be terribly close to the affordable side, either. Once the full line of Athlon IIs is out, basically anything but the very, very tip top highest end will have been swept away from Intel.

    • Dizzytaz00
    • 13 years ago

    Also you look that, It seems Amd is releasing a new triple core too,
    ยง[<http://www.asrock.com/support/cpu.asp?s=AM3<]ยง

    • shaq_mobile
    • 13 years ago

    snakeoil is troll of epic proportions. so awesome ๐Ÿ˜€

    • ImSpartacus
    • 13 years ago

    No kidding. I’m just waiting to upgrade my E8400. The damn thing keeps running fine for me! I just can’t justify a quad for games yet!

    • Fighterpilot
    • 13 years ago

    Well Flip….this guy must be a genius….how he knew of your alter ego as “The Dark Hardware Flipper” is uncanny.
    Now that you’ve been outed….it’s a one way street to Bernie’s new cell block for you it seems ๐Ÿ™‚

    • snakeoil
    • 13 years ago

    let me guess flypmode, you are an unscrupulous hardware seller that is trying to get rid of old merchandise that soon is going to be discontinued. without an upgrade path.
    am i right? then you are ripping off unaware people.

    • Vaughn
    • 13 years ago

    Snakeoil I think you have it backwards. Are they suppose to compare Ph II with i7 we know the result of that!

    And the reason I see people hanging on to Core 2 is because of overclocking and cost. While most of us tech guys care about a 10-20% in performance the average best buy shopper will be fine with the slowest Quad out they just don’t care about the differences.

    For them its Cost > Performance.

    • flip-mode
    • 13 years ago

    Seriously with this? AMD fanboys can’t deal with the fact that AMD still hasn’t bested Intel’s 3-year-old CPU. C2Q still beats Ph2 clock for clock. And assuming you buy a machine and then use it for 4-6 years – you know, like normal people – then ALL sockets are a dead end.

    • snakeoil
    • 13 years ago

    intel fanboys still compare phenom ii with core 2 quad, phenom II is better than core 2 quad , the intel architecture is very old and soon is going to be end of life, with discontinued socket, then why intel fanboys are still clinging to core 2? move on

    • Game_boy
    • 13 years ago

    Expreview is citing Tweaktown. So that should take priority.

    • eitje
    • 13 years ago

    TweakTown has “sampling”, Expreview has “release”.

    • MadManOriginal
    • 13 years ago

    Wow, no shipping though ๐Ÿ™ The drive and tax makes it a hassle to get for me and I keep telling myself I don’t need a quad core :p

    • flip-mode
    • 13 years ago

    Holy crap. Should have left the credit card at home, cast into concrete and burried in the back yard.

    • Envy007
    • 13 years ago

    Oh man! I wish microcenter shipped to Europe, sweeeet deal!

    • Game_boy
    • 13 years ago

    The linked articles say it will /[

    • yehuda
    • 13 years ago

    Speaking of the Q9550, I noticed MicroCenter currently offers it for just $170:

    ยง[<http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0299412<]ยง

    • flip-mode
    • 13 years ago

    Good things must be happening with yields. I have to say I’m surprised by this, I thought the x4-955 was going to be AMD’s top dog for a while.

    As for price, AMD needs to take notice of the fact that I can jump over to Newegg’s website and grab up a Q9550 for $220. The x4-955 needs to come down real close to that price, IMO.

    What would be equally exciting is if AMD put out a 95 watt x4-955.

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