Cheaper DX11 GeForces could be out this summer

Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang may have appeared to cast doubt over the timely release of GF100 derivatives last month, but according to a report by Fudzilla, cheaper DirectX 11-capable GeForces are on the way nonetheless. In fact, the site has received word that the first GF100 derivatives may be out as early as this summer. The post isn’t entirely clear about Nvidia’s precise schedule, though:

Last time we talked to our well informed sources we learned that cheaper version of Fermi architecture should be coming this summer, most likely June, but since Nvidia keeps slipping its schedule it might happen even at later date. One can only hope that Q3 2010 will be the latest launch deadline, in case if they don’t make it in June.

Nvidia would certainly benefit from having such products on the market as soon as possible. GF100-based GeForce GTX 470 and GeForce GTX 480 graphics cards due later this month will most likely be high-end offerings, but AMD has had sub-$200 DX11 GPUs out and about since last October. The first sub-$100, DX11 Radeon also came out in January.

Today, Nvidia is forced to compete against AMD’s Radeon HD 5700 series with its GeForce GTS 250, which is based on an older, larger GPU with only DirectX 10 support. In terms of raw performance in DX9 and DX10 titles, the GTS 250 1GB tends to sit roughly between the Radeon HD 5750 and 5770.

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    • NarwhaleAu
    • 10 years ago

    Cyril – Semiaccurate.com reported this over a week ago (albeit with their usual twist):

    §[<http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/03/17/nvidia-tapes-out-gf108/<]§

      • Meadows
      • 10 years ago

      Q4 2011, ouch.

        • MadManOriginal
        • 10 years ago

        That’s Charlie’s timeframe for the ‘full lineup’ so…yeah. Way to take it out of context though.

    • Vhalidictes
    • 10 years ago

    Re: The Article.

    Er, as none of the high-end Fermi derivatives have taped out, there is no way for “mid range” cards to possibly be out this summer. (Depending on the definition of “summer” of course).

    Last I checked (Fudzilla and Semiaccurate) the only chip to tape out was the low-end one… maybe July for release. But cards based on that chip won’t help enthusiasts.

    • Voldenuit
    • 10 years ago

    Personally, I think low and midrange DX11 parts are irrelevant until they can play DX11 games at decent framerates. With 1080p monitors going for under $200 these days, 1920 is the new 1680.

    Does it really matter that, say, a 5770 can support all these new features if you have to turn them off to get playable framerates? It matters even less than it did with the DX10 transition, because DX11 is a superset of DX10, so developers don’t have to write a wholly separate codepath to support both versions.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for “progress”, but I don’t see a burning need for DX11 parts in the mid-low end other than to satisfy some OEM’s checkbox. Which probably drives the market more than the technically literate do. :/

      • Vhalidictes
      • 10 years ago

      While low-end DX11 cards are mostly a checkbox, they do have a small advantage over DX10.1 cards – you can turn on all the features and then pixel-double your display (1900×1200 LCD at 1024×600, etc).

      I run my 1080P TV at 720P in demanding PC games all the time with minimal artifacting; a DX10.1 (or plain DX10) card would miss the features no matter how low resolution you go 🙂

    • Sunburn74
    • 10 years ago

    so when will the benchmarks start rolling in?

    • FuturePastNow
    • 10 years ago

    What I’d like to see is a sub-$150 40nm Geforce with half as many stream processors as Fermi, or ~240-256 SPs. Performance like a GTX285, but a normal-size card with midrange power consumption.

    That may be too much to ask for.

    • cegras
    • 10 years ago

    Semiaccurate was pretty accurate about that, late Fermi derivatives.

      • Palek
      • 10 years ago

      Does this mean that they will now have to publish an article with entirely baseless speculation or outright lies? You know, to stay true to the “semi-accurate” name?

        • UberGerbil
        • 10 years ago

        Only if they hadn’t published several of those already…

          • Palek
          • 10 years ago

          It’s hard to keep track…

          • flip-mode
          • 10 years ago

          Link, please.

    • Joerdgs
    • 10 years ago

    So those will be the first non-g92 based budget cards Nvidia produces in more than 2 years. Jeez.

    • danny e.
    • 10 years ago

    Nvidia used to be ahead… now they’re 6 months behind. That can’t be good. ATI will probably have their refresh out about the time Nvidia is finally getting boards shipped and trickling out the lower-priced ones.

    • Krogoth
    • 10 years ago

    Sounds like binned GTX480 chips.

      • ssidbroadcast
      • 10 years ago

      I thought the GTX480 were binned GTX480s, if you get my meaning.

        • homerdog
        • 10 years ago

        boomheadshot

        • TaBoVilla
        • 10 years ago

        boomshakalaka

        • bimmerlovere39
        • 10 years ago

        That was low. Lower than Fermi’s yields.

          • wira020
          • 10 years ago

          Nope, cant get any lower than that!

            • xzelence
            • 10 years ago

            I declare this thread a winner.

    • spigzone
    • 10 years ago

    Fuad IS a pearl of unbiased forecasting peerlessness.

    Yet, Wildly-inaccurate Charlie D did mention a few days ago Nvidia just completed the tapeout of their GF108 variant, from which a fairly accurate timeline COULD be extrapolated.

    Yeah, I know, Fuad vs. Charlie … sounds looney.

    Still …

        • Meadows
        • 10 years ago

        He was spot on about the memory, but _[

      • JustAnEngineer
      • 10 years ago

      You can usually count on 3 to 3½ months from final chip design tapeout to first production availability. Each re-spin adds another 1½ months to the process. If no re-spins are necessary, July looks probable.

    • spigzone
    • 10 years ago

    ??? ” and GeForce GTX 480 graphics cards due later this month will most likely be high-end offerings” ???

    ‘most likely’ = baseless, over the top, wildly irresponsible speculation!!!

    You’ve just gone WAY over the top here. I suggest in the future you keep you articles to verified facts or, at the least, the remotely possible.

      • Anonymous Coward
      • 10 years ago

      Yeah its a bit of the strange vague mumbling journalism I’d expect to see in some mainstream media that had no idea what a video card is. C’mon TR, you don’t need to write empty filler text. You actually know what you’re talking about!

      “Nvidia would certainly benefit from having such products on the market as soon as possible. GF100-based GeForce GTX 470 and GeForce GTX 480 graphics cards due later this month *[

      • Joel H.
      • 10 years ago

      lol. What? Ever heard of educated guesses? If you have, pause a moment and consider the meaning of the first word as taking precedence over the second.

      It’ll change your perspective on life.

    • odd
    • 10 years ago

    Rather than saying “Summer”, please say “June” or “Q3” or “2H”.
    Summer for 700 million of us in the Southern Hemisphere is December through February.

      • JustAnEngineer
      • 10 years ago

      Q3 for NVidia is August 1 through October 31.

      • JrezIN
      • 10 years ago

      I agree… It’s pretty odd to read about a summer launch when it’s really a winter launch…

    • glynor
    • 10 years ago

    It feels like all the Tech sites I frequent have gone mostly quiet this week (starting Monday or Tuesday). Perhaps the Fermi cards showed up around then…

    We’ll see tomorrow (or hopefully even tonight at midnight). Does anyone know if they put a time-of-day on the NDA?

      • glynor
      • 10 years ago

      From Fudzilla:

      l[

    • PRIME1
    • 10 years ago

    These cards will probably be as fast as the 5870/5850.

      • glynor
      • 10 years ago

      Oops. Reply fail.

      • Hance
      • 10 years ago

      I want some of what your smokin dude. Its good stuff.

      • TaBoVilla
      • 10 years ago

      nom nom nom troll feeds on replies nom nom

      • RumpleForeSkin72
      • 10 years ago

      the funny thing is at first glance you look like your trolling but to a regular reader that knows that you ate the green acid it is just plain sad…

      you nuttery knows no bounds.

      going to the Fermi release tonight.. gonna heckle the reps and tell them I go under your name on these forums… good times, good times

      • Meadows
      • 10 years ago

      In rendering Aero?

    • can-a-tuna
    • 10 years ago

    Fud also said that Fermi will be released for Christmas 2009. And they have been correcting that estimate, for how many times now?

      • ScythedBlade
      • 10 years ago

      Fud was right. Even president of nVidia said December 2009 … They’re usually always right and we always have the press release and videos.

      • Game_boy
      • 10 years ago

      I counted six times.

    • elty
    • 10 years ago

    nVidia is all about model number/$…. one reason to keep renaming stuff.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 10 years ago

      LOL model number/$…a new metric! Nice one.

    • Jigar
    • 10 years ago

    Damage, I hope you are testing the AMD cards with the latest driver, i am sure Fermi is going to outshine the HD 58** but with latest driver, I think HD 58** series should put good fight.

    • MadManOriginal
    • 10 years ago

    This topic is relevant to my interests. Hopefully NV will provide a performance/$ increase and not just a feature/$ increase.

      • Game_boy
      • 10 years ago

      If a Fermi performs well against a 5870, a half-Fermi should beat a 5770; a quarter-Fermi should beat a 5670, and so on. The opposite is also true. Derivative parts share the performance characteristics of the parent.

      Charlie says GF108 (smallest derivative) is August, and others come even later. So the competition may not even be 5xxx but a refresh or the full next architecture (Northern Islands) which AMD has announced for the second half of this year.

        • maroon1
        • 10 years ago

        However, GTS 450 doesn’t look like half-fermi, because it has 256 shader, and 256bit-bus, while GTX 480 has 480 shader, and 384bit-bus

        I think GTS 450 will perform somewhere between HD5830 and HD5850

    • ssidbroadcast
    • 10 years ago

    Supposedly the flagship cards are out tomorrow. I’m assuming the NDA lifts as well. Hopefully Scott is hard at work wrapping up a review… but I have a feeling he got the engineering sample really late.

      • Sahrin
      • 10 years ago

      Yeah, I’d be surprised if nVidia would allow him to publish an article that in all likelihood will be titled: “Dustbuster II”

      • flip-mode
      • 10 years ago

      I took a hot date for a ride on my flagship last night. I lifted her NDA and gave it a hard review!

        • BoBzeBuilder
        • 10 years ago

        Flip PLEASE. This is techreport. We need not know about your private life. What are you ssid?

          • MadManOriginal
          • 10 years ago

          He’s not in to ssid scope until he tells us the sordid crash-n-burn outcome.

            • flip-mode
            • 10 years ago

            Argh, she just dumped me via text message!

            • ssidbroadcast
            • 10 years ago

            It’s alright. She was probably just a re-branded ex-girlfriend anyway.

            • UberGerbil
            • 10 years ago

            Snort. And how is that done — new tramp stamp?

            • ssidbroadcast
            • 10 years ago

            lol, I was being figurative not LITERAL.

            Edit: but, in the spirit of keeping the joke going,

            g[

        • Suspenders
        • 10 years ago

        Thatchs what your mother shaid lasht night Trebek!

    • potatochobit
    • 10 years ago

    that’s nice.

    Not too worried about getting them cheaper.

    How about we just get some?

    you know, like in a store to buy now.

      • Spotpuff
      • 10 years ago

      Why buy now when a better card will launch soon?!?!!??

      LOOK OVER HERE! DX 12!

      • Vasilyfav
      • 10 years ago

      btw, retail availability of GTX480/470 has been delayed another week 😛

        • smilingcrow
        • 10 years ago

        Maybe the cooler is so big it won’t fit in the box so they had to order new ones!

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