Apple intros fourth-generation iPhone at WWDC

At 10AM Pacific Standard Time this morning, Steve Jobs took the stage at the Apple Worldwide Developers Conference in San Francisco to deliver some stunning news: Farmville is coming to the iPhone. Oh, and he also introduced a new iPhone, dubbed simply the iPhone 4.

Jobs kicked off his presentation of the new iPhone by calling it "the most beautiful thing we’ve ever made." The smartphone features a glass panel up front to provide a clear view of the display and a second one at the rear for added scratch resistance. Stainless steel rings the edge of the phone and also serves as a part of the antenna. Amazingly, the device measures just 9.3 mm thin, making it 24% slimmer than the current 3GS.

Under the front glass panel sits a new "Retina" display that offers four times the resolution of the 3GS. The screen still measures 3.5" diagonally but now offers a 960×640 display resolution. It should be a looker, too. The display panel is an IPS unit with a claimed contrast ratio of 800:1.

The very same A4 processor that powers the iPad sits at the heart of the iPhone 4. As one might expect given the lack of a G in the new model name, the new phone doesn’t support 4G networks. Apple has, however, put in a larger battery that purportedly offers 40% more 3G talk time than you get with the 3GS. The iPhone 4 is claimed to be capable of seven hours of 3G talk time, six hours of web surfing on 3G and 10 hours on Wi-Fi, and 10 hours of video playback.

Another addition to the iPhone 4 is a three-axis gyroscope that, complete with updated CoreMotion APIs, should give game developers all sorts of interesting control options. There’s a new five-megapixel camera, too. The camera is "backside illuminated" to allow more photons (units of light, not torpedoes) to enter the sensor, purportedly improving picture quality in low-light environments. Users will be able to capture 720p video at a claimed 30 frames per second, as well.

The new iPhone comes with an updated operating system that Apple calls iOS 4. As expected, multitasking is included, as is support for folders and a host of enterprise-friendly features. There’s a nifty FaceTime video chat application, but it can only call other iPhone 4 users, and then only over Wi-Fi, at least for now. iOS 4 will also include Apple’s new iAds advertising scheme, which is set to go live July 1. Developers will have access to the final version of iOS 4 today, with a public release to follow "soon."

A line for the iPhone 4 has undoubtedly formed outside at least one Apple store already. The phones won’t go on sale until June 24, though. Pre-orders start June 15, and it looks like the US, France, Germany, the UK, and Japan will get first crack at the device on launch day. Availability will spread to additional countries, including Canada, in July. By September, the iPhone 4 will be available in a whopping 88 countries.

In the US, 16GB and 32GB versions of the iPhone 4 will sell for $199 and $299 under contract, respectively. Existing AT&T customers whose contracts expire anytime this year are eligible for an upgrade. The iPhone 3GS will remain in Apple’s lineup, but only in an 8GB flavor at $99. Existing iPhone and second-gen iPod touch users who want a taste of iOS 4 will be able to get their hands on the new OS on June 21, free of charge.

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    • PetMiceRnice
    • 9 years ago

    I will continue to stick with my land line, thank you.

    • lycium
    • 9 years ago

    it’s sooo beautiful… if only it didn’t run apple’s naziware :'(

    • Jambe
    • 9 years ago

    Gosh dammit. Call me when it’s on Verizon, Steve.

    *grumbles*

    • Ihmemies
    • 9 years ago

    I’ve never had any Apple products before, nor cared about them..

    But holy cow, THE DISPLAY! Never seen anything like that! Now I’m really considering to buy my first Apple product when they finally start shipping phones in Finland.

    • indeego
    • 9 years ago

    Also curiously missing from the news is that Apple sat on *[http://secunia.com/advisories/40105/<]§ §[<http://secunia.com/advisories/40110/<]§

      • willyolio
      • 9 years ago

      security through saying your competition is even worse.

      • blastdoor
      • 9 years ago

      I sure do feel sorry for all those Mac users who lost so much data due to these security issues. Why don’t we see a story on that? I guess it s because of the reality distortions field interacting with the apple tax.

    • Suspenders
    • 9 years ago

    So, is this still made by the practically slave labour at Foxconn?

      • sweatshopking
      • 9 years ago

      as somebody who actually ran a sweatshop, that is debatable. I suppose it depends on your definition of a sweatshop. Not talking, long hours, locked doors, these are all signs of a sweatshop, and were present in both mine and jobs. However WE DIDNT HAVE AN F’ING POOL!!!!! OMGOMGOMG I WANT TO WORK THERE!!! MY JOB DOESNT HAVE A POOL, I WANT TO KILL MYSELF TO GET in THERE!!!

      • Decelerate
      • 9 years ago

      Yup, just like Nintendo, Dell, Nokia, Sony, etc etc…

        • sweatshopking
        • 9 years ago

        i think the argument shouldnt be based on, “yes it’s wrong and evil, but everyone is doing it, so it’s ok” rather pressure should be put on ALL the companies, to force them to adopt proper safe standards.

          • MadManOriginal
          • 9 years ago

          Rabid consumer whores don’t care enough. Certainly some don’t know. Sometimes they might talk a good talk but when it comes down to it having the newest gadget or zombifying their kids for an evening in front of a video screen is more important than moral principles. Sometimes it’s a matter of practically not having a choice at all sadly, it’s one thing to forgo having a Wii or flatscreen TV but unless you want to live entirely in the pre-computer era it’s impossible to avoid.

          • Decelerate
          • 9 years ago

          Right, but why is Apple singled-out?

            • ShadowTiger
            • 9 years ago

            Apple is being singled out because they are one of the bigger customers (dunno any facts about this) and their products are more directly responsible for the parts of Foxconn where problems happen. If you remember, there was that worker who was interrogated and beaten for losing an iphone/ipod prototype in china… and later committed suicide.

            • glynor
            • 9 years ago

            Not true. Apple is a high profile customer. “Regular people” don’t care if some random OEM they’ve never heard of has people committing suicide, but if the newspapers and blogs tie it to the people who made their iPod, suddenly the soccer moms take notice. And you sell more newspapers and generate more clicks.

            Apple is nowhere near Foxconn’s largest client by volume (which was Nokia in 2009, and Motorola before that), nor do they “run” the particular plant in Shenzhen (about 1/7th of the plant is dedicated to Apple products).

            They are certainly a large customer. And some newspapers have quipped “one of the largest companies who manufactures products at Foxconn”, but that isn’t the same thing as being Foxconn’s largest customer (Apple makes high profit margins and has an outsized market cap compared to their volume).

            • MadManOriginal
            • 9 years ago

            I think the reason Apple gets special attention versus other contractors is because Apple tends to take a high moral stance about things in general. Even thought it’s really just PR fluff (imo) that’s the image they’ve cultivated so if they know their OEM is not living up to their own PR they’ll get called on it…after the media rides their nuts over their latest gadget :p

            • glynor
            • 9 years ago

            True. That probably also has something to do with it a bit. People do like to tear down market winners, particularly if it can be done with the odor of hypocrisy.

          • blitzy
          • 9 years ago

          true, most people at the buying end don’t even comprehend what kind of life people are living for them to enjoy all of the technology and cheap consumer goods

          and for many the only way for them to really see would be to put them in the shoes of a factory worker

          and even for those of us that can see the problem, unless it is hurting us personally we dont really give a crap enough to do anything about it. Sad reality of human nature

            • sweatshopking
            • 9 years ago

            “unless it is hurting us personally we dont really give a crap enough to do anything about it. Sad reality of human nature”

            I certainly dont agree with that statement. I think that such behavior is without a doubt cultural and learned. many cultures historically have been more concerned about the welfare of others vs themselves. In the west we have marginalized and been trained to believe a “realist” view where the world is a mess, has always been and always will be, which simply isnt true.

            • blastdoor
            • 9 years ago

            Which part isn’t true — the world seems like a mess to me, and I think you’d be hard pressed to show that it has ever been otherwise. But perhaps you’re talking about what the world could be? Are you saying that the world could be less of a mess? I’d agree with that.

            The thing with factory workers in China is that factory workers in China have chosen to work at factories because they think it’s the least bad of many bad options. So we have to be careful in how we apply “pressure” to make things better. People who say “move production to the US” or “boycott Apple, Dell, Foxconn, etc” don’t explain what the unemployed Chinese workers should do — being unemployed and homeless in China is probably worse than working at Foxconn.

            So what can we do? As individuals, the best we can do is to vote for political leaders who will do something about it (and encourage others to vote similarly). What can the political leaders do? They can impose higher taxes on either corporate profits or the wealthy (ideally on the wealthy, because some corporate profits do benefit the un-wealthy) and use the proceeds to help poor people both in our own country (I realize not everyone here is from the same country) and in developing countries.

            But ultimately this is really a problem that can best be addressed by the Chinese government. The Chinese government needs to pass and enforce labor protection laws. They need to let their currency appreciate against the dollar, which would essentially give a raise to everyone in the country and give businesses the incentive to invest in their employees to make them more productive. More than anything else, these actions by the Chinese government would have the greatest positive impact. It is their country, after all.

            • sweatshopking
            • 9 years ago

            well, the facts are, the world IS getting better. slowly by any measurement, but it is improving. there are fewer wars globally, literacy is up, access to heath care, poverty is, in most regions, declining, however slowly. Certainly I would say that mankind has a massive job in front of it, and backwards looking imperialists whether american or otherwise need to stay in their own countries. aid and trade, sure, but military gtfo.

            I certainly agree that the impoverished chinese really have no options. I remember people fighting for a chance to get in my sweatshop, just for 75 cents a day. we had a situation where one woman tried to stab another with scissors in the neck. People really have to be in trouble to put up with such situations.

            However, I dont agree that “the best” we can do is vote. That is certainly important, however I personally feel the best way to make a difference is through individual initiative. Whether that be through discussion with politicians, boycotts, (despite what people say, though they do have some impact on local foreign workers, they have been extremely successful in many cases. the south african boycott was a huge incentive for the ending of south african apartheid.) or international volunteering. Everyone has a role to play, whether through educating locals north americans on poor conditions or through running sweatshops and implementing better working standards.

            I would close this lengthy wandering exposition stating that I firmly believe that the world will reach a unified prosperous apex, not through a sudden wave of God’s wand, but by mankind’s struggle.

            • blastdoor
            • 9 years ago

            <delete double post> gotta love the comment system…

      • Suspenders
      • 9 years ago

      As a follow up, I just wanted to mention that what prompted my comment was me lately reading up on some of those Foxconn suicides, and just wondering about how ethical it was for us to be buying products that we know are manufactured by employees slaving away under terrible conditions. Terrible enough that they’re willing to jump off of buildings to make a point about how awful working conditions are.

      I think, as a minimum, we owe them some thought on their plight, and some thought on whether we should be buying products from companies that don’t give a rats ass about their employees.

    • LaChupacabra
    • 9 years ago

    I wonder if Apple is starting to loose the sexy in their iPhones. Think of a new user who walks into a store to talk someone about this iPhone. The original was new, sleek and completely intuitive. This one seems to be loosing some of that “it’s just cool”-ness that Apple devices should have. I bet that new user will walk into a store, be given a demo of the new multi-tasking features, and their core demographic will just be confused. I’m not saying that these will sell poorly, but I wonder if this is the beginning of the end for the iPhones MASSIVE adoption rate.

      • YellaChicken
      • 9 years ago

      I doubt it. The way I see it, out of the groups of people who go to an Apple store to have a look at it, some will buy the new iPhone because they understand the new features and are interested in one or more of them, some will buy it because they like the new look and some (the group who may be confused by the new features) will buy it purely because it’s new and because they can say ‘Hey, I’ve got a new iPhone, it’s got multitasking and it’s the shizzle’

    • Corrado
    • 9 years ago

    The one thing about the iPhone is that it brings the business in ALL categories. It seems to me that EVERY Android phone makes some sort of compromise, be it CPU, memory, carrier/network, multitouch abilities, software availability, camera, something is always not proper.

    People wonder about the Evo, but to me and my pocket, its too big. More of a MID than a phone. Its still a great device, I just don’t want to carry it around all the time, coupled with the poor battery life. Tests show you can get it to 10 hours… if you turn off everything but the CDMA radio. Not very useful, especially if you’re in a WiMax territory.

    • EsotericLord
    • 9 years ago

    It still cant “touch” the physical keyboard on my first generation Envy.

    • Hattig
    • 9 years ago

    The iPhone 4 looks good. That engadget comparison has it winning most specs against the competition, and that’s before you consider the OS (Nokia N8’s Symbian^3, hah) and usability.

    – Android User

    • ThorAxe
    • 9 years ago

    Is 80% of Internet video still useless on the iPhone?

      • Rza79
      • 9 years ago

      No, 90% …

    • Fastfreak39
    • 9 years ago

    So why is the iPhone still exclusive to AT&T? I mean Apple loves money right? 25% of Verizon’s network would probably switch to the iPhone immediately.

      • GeForce6200
      • 9 years ago

      I believe that Apple’s contract with AT&T expires in 2012. My understanding is they have a 5 year contract signed in 2007.

        • blastdoor
        • 9 years ago

        Nobody (other than apple and at&t) really knows exactly what the original contract was or how it has been modified since then.

        I bet a Verizon phone comes out after the holidays. That timing would work out well for both Apple and AT&T. It helps Apple to smooth out demand and it gives AT&T one last chance to lock people into a 2-year contract with the latest phone.

          • Corrado
          • 9 years ago

          There will NOT be a Verizon iPhone until they launch their LTE network. Apple doesn’t want to maintain 2 different phones with different radios. Once 1 phone can work on multiple carriers in the US, you’ll see it. Even T-Mobile can’t use the current iPhones with 3G because they use the 1700mhz band for 3G, and not the 800 and 1800mhz bands that AT&T uses for their UMTS.

    • eitje
    • 9 years ago

    Hey guys, I’m having trouble reading this news post. Can you all please stop commenting?

    • blitzy
    • 9 years ago

    §[<http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/iphone-4-vs-the-smartphone-elite-evo-4g-n8-pre-plus-and-hd2/<]§ kinda interesting to see the iphone isnt really ahead in every department when compared to the other smart phone top dogs the screen is a nice hi res and body is a slim form factor, apart from that its just another player in the market

      • NeelyCam
      • 9 years ago

      I don’t know… looking at that comparison table, to me it seems that Apple just whooped everyone else in everything that actually matters.

        • blitzy
        • 9 years ago

        Whooped probably isnt the right term, for any of the differences in spec between the phones. Most of them are only minor differences, and no single phone is ahead outright.

        but overall i wouldnt say the iphone 4 is ahead either

          • Beelzebubba9
          • 9 years ago

          Almost like they’re all still confined by the same limits of current microprocessor technology, eh?

          Regardless, the iPhone 4 is incredibly thin and assuming Apple hasn’t lied about the good battery life, then I think that achievement deserves a nod of approval from any unbiased geek.

          • NeelyCam
          • 9 years ago

          To me that screen is enough to say that iPhone 4 whooped butt.

          Battery life sounds good, too.

      • Corrado
      • 9 years ago

      Its not ahead in every department, but its overall got the best aggregate. Every Android phone has some sort of compromise because of the fact that HTC has to sell phones to every carrier. If they sold 1 single phone to every carrier, they’d all complain that there was no incentive to pick them over anyone else except price and service… and we all know none of the wireless providers want to have to do that.

      • blastdoor
      • 9 years ago

      seems to me that the iPhone has a slight overall edge, but we are now reaching a point where we’re going to start running into the limits of what can be done in this form factor. Sure, Moore’s Law will make these things faster, but they’re already as fast as a 1999-2001 high-end PC. And pretty much all improvements in PCs since then have been for playing games or doing really high-end work (both of which require a much bigger display). People aren’t going to be ripping blu-rays or running folding-at-home on their phones. Increasing the screen resolution beyond this iPhone is totally pointless. Higher megapixels in the camera starts to be kind of silly.

      From here on out, it’s going to be more about the software, services, and price. Probably room enough for both Apple and either Google or Microsoft to make plenty of money. Amazing how well RIM is doing and hard to believe that can continue, but who knows.

        • MadManOriginal
        • 9 years ago

        RIM continues to do ‘ok’ (not grow) because of corporate IT. They were the original smartphone, as in more than just a voice telephone, and are pretty well entrenched in corporate settings.

      • provoko
      • 9 years ago

      thanks for the link

      • moog
      • 9 years ago

      They’re ahead in every single feature spec.

      I’ll take their 5MP cam over a 12MP cam. Larger sensor, larger pixels, and probably less interpolation. This is the difference between let’s say a 8MP DSLR and a 12MP point and shoot, the DSLR has the larger sensor and larger pixels resulting in better images.

        • blitzy
        • 9 years ago

        for a dslr vs a pns, sure. but between phone sized sensors, i would need to see the resulting picture quality to believe the claims. unlike a dslr vs pns, the difference in size between these phones sensors will be very minute

        the biggest selling point IMO is the high dpi screen, however it lacks hdmi out and expandability which for the purposes of a multimedia device are big factors IMO.

          • Corrado
          • 9 years ago

          I have never once thought of a reason to plug my phone into my TV or a monitor to ‘need’ HDMI out. If you REALLY need it, there are cables you can buy that goto the doc connector.

          As for image quality, here are some samples:

          §[<http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/08/iphone-4-camera-samples-surface.html<]§

            • blitzy
            • 9 years ago

            a feature isnt important because apple says so

            if apple had of done video output, they would be like ‘stop me if you’ve seen this before but /[

            • Corrado
            • 9 years ago

            §[<http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB128LL/B?fnode=MTY1NDAzOQ&mco=MTA4NDc4Njc<]§ Do you mean that? The cable thats been available if you want it for YEARS? The one that allows you to plug your iPod or iPhone into your TV?

            • blitzy
            • 9 years ago

            So apple can do it too, but its a closed system and just an example of apples lack of adherence to open standards, apples way = proprietary, 50 bucks for a cable? talk about swimming in gravy

            other phones use standard interfaces like HDMI and microSD so your cable or card can work with everything, regardless of brand. why does apple do it this way? simply to rape your wallet without providing any advantage whatsoever

    • Fighterpilot
    • 9 years ago

    Steve Jobs just got pwned by the new iPhone.
    In front of the whole crowd he tried to connect to the Internet and just stood there as it refused to work. lol
    Eventually he had to ask the crowd to shut down their phones so he could get a signal.
    That’s gotta hurt…

      • blitzy
      • 9 years ago

      yeah but no mobile phone is immune to wireless interference…

      • adisor19
      • 9 years ago

      Oh wow.. more uninformed lameness being spewed. Did you watch the google keynote a few days ago ? Did you notice that the problem was the Bluetooth remote no longer working because of too many devices operating in the WiFi spectrum ? Same thing happened this time : everyone and their mother was using WiFi including those stupid portable wifi routers and it simply overwhelmed the entire 2.4Ghz spectrum. This is bound to happen especially with such a tech savvy crowd.

      Adi

        • adam1378
        • 9 years ago

        Maybe the new Iphone should have dual band wireless N.
        -signed new Evo owner

        • NeelyCam
        • 9 years ago

        Just admit it. iPhone connection failed. Particularly embarrassing.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 9 years ago

      There were something like 570 ad-hoc networks along with the wifi access points. Lots of folks were having problems – Ars Technica was having problems getting photos uploaded, for example.

        • roont
        • 9 years ago

        complete fail.

        Don’t care how much traffic there is, if you’re putting on a presentation like that you should make sure it will work /[

          • glynor
          • 9 years ago

          Says the person who has obviously never run gear for an event like this.

          You can never predict every single variable before the “thousands of people get there”, and it is almost always impossible to test those situations unless you actually have 1000’s of people to volunteer for the test. You do the best you can, but technology is not always perfect, especially when you are dealing with anything wireless.

          The same exact thing happened to Google during their Google TV demo last month. I’d actually say that Jobs handled the issue much better than Google did when the failure did happen (he quickly went on with the show, while the Google people quickly forgot about the audience and fumbled with their tech problem).

            • indeego
            • 9 years ago

            So put the demo phone you are using on its own channel, or use a proprietary channel, or use something to block all other signals from hitting AP(s). Demos are very controlled environments, really they should account for this, especially at a tech heavy event where they KNOW reporters will be using wireless.

            I call unacceptable, well, I would if I were Jobs. This is one case where heads should rollg{<.<}g

            • glynor
            • 9 years ago

            You misunderstand the issue they encountered. The demo *[

    • Sunburn74
    • 9 years ago

    Meh…
    Phones these days are all getting pretty good, but honestly I’m tired of being shafted by ridiculous rates for data service and calling service.

    Someone once told me that the price your wireless service is charging your per KB of data downloaded is less than the price nasa incurs per kb to when its beaming down super hi-def images from the hubble telescope.

    I love the HTC evo and the new iphone looks pretty nice too, but 100 dollars a month to keep them functional is too much. When unlimited everything plans hit 50 dollars a month (tax included) per person, give me a call. Till then, I’ll be happy with a basic phone, my nice laptop, and free wifi.

    And wtf is this about steve job’s excitement over an advertisement delivery service? really?! Thats like being excited about receiving a prostate exam.

      • ekul
      • 9 years ago

      “Someone once told me that the price your wireless service is charging your per KB of data downloaded is less than the price nasa incurs per kb to when its beaming down super hi-def images from the hubble telescope.”

      That’s true for text messaging rates but not for regular wireless data.

      §[<http://www.physorg.com/news129793047.html<]§

      • adisor19
      • 9 years ago

      “And wtf is this about steve job’s excitement over an advertisement delivery service? really?! Thats like being excited about receiving a prostate exam. ”

      And another uninformed post comes up. Jobs is excites because he gets a CUT out of every iAd deal. Heck, I’d be excited too if i were in his shoes!

      Adi

    • derFunkenstein
    • 9 years ago

    I think some of you guys are misunderstanding the point of iAd. It’s not to ad-support the OS, so let’s get that out of the way. You’re not going to be interrupted by one as you browse apps or use apps that don’t have iAd integrated.

    The whole point of iAd is to support free apps with ads as a substitute for whatever ad system is being used in the ad-supported app. For example, eBuddy has a free ad-supported version, and so does Words With Friends, and both of those have “premium” ad-free versions.

    The ad-supported apps that currently exist could, in theory, convert to iAd and get their ad money through their developer account direct from Apple rather than a third party. The whole bit about iAd is controlling the entire ecosystem.

    But then I read nonsense like #5 and #42 and wonder how people with that kind of comprehension managed to sign up for a forum account in the first place. How did you navigate the question of “are you a spammer?”

      • Skrying
      • 9 years ago

      Is the confusion surprising? Those posts along with the number of other posts that bash on misinformation or other weak foundations are the norm for news items regarding Apple. It’s just as tiring as people like adisor, honestly more so because there’s only one adisor.

        • adisor19
        • 9 years ago

        Oh wait so my well made points that usually point out the Apple advantage are as tiring as the misinformed Apple bashers ?

        Adi

          • derFunkenstein
          • 9 years ago

          While I think he was being a bit strong, you do have a habit of making excuses for what truly are bad decisions on occasion.

            • jdaven
            • 9 years ago

            Adi’s comments add much more to the conversation around here than 99% of some of the comments here. I’ll take his opinion over that drivel anyday.

            • tfp
            • 9 years ago

            heck depending on comments it’s like 100% of some or maybe even 10% of some comments depending which ones I pick!

            • MadManOriginal
            • 9 years ago

            One Apple fan likes another Apple fan’s comments. Shocking! I guess it’s nice to have a partner when riding Steve’s nuts, which side do you prefer, left or right?

            • SubSeven
            • 9 years ago

            I’m sorry but I just loled on this. BTW, don’t forget about the crack.

            • adisor19
            • 9 years ago

            Haters gonna hate

            Adi

            • MadManOriginal
            • 9 years ago

            😉 Funtrollers are gonna have fun. 😀

            • derFunkenstein
            • 9 years ago

            Funtrollers are still trolls. 😉

            • tfp
            • 9 years ago

            §[<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbaTur4A1OU<]§ still have ducks?

      • alex666
      • 9 years ago

      Just given the fact that it is not a brand new product will decrease the “massive” adoption, as there already are millions of iphones out there already. This is just an upgrade with lots of new features.

      These Apple product announcements are just too Messianic for my taste.

    • wingless
    • 9 years ago

    AT&T cuts their Data Plan just in time for a new phone that will use much more bandwidth. That’s what I call thinking ahead!

      • albundy
      • 9 years ago

      thats ok, there will be plenty of 4g bandwidth on a better carrier. just pick anyone else!

        • ImSpartacus
        • 9 years ago

        But you can’t have the iPhone. AT&T has the masses in its grip.

        If Google would throw some advertising at Android, it might get a lot more popular, but they haven’t. Until they do, most people will still default to the iPhone.

          • MadManOriginal
          • 9 years ago

          I don’t watch a ton of TV and tend to ignore ads but I have seen a fair number for ‘Droid’ phones…not really sure who’s doing the advertising, whether it’s Google, carriers, or handset makers, but they are definitely being advertised.

          • Skrying
          • 9 years ago

          Numerous Droid and Droid Incredible commercials from Verizon. T-Mobile has a number of commercials advertising their Android phones (typically the HTC Magic) using current and former NBA players.

          Android is not hurting for customers. In fact the entirety of the Android market is moving more than the iPhones now. It just doesn’t “fee” the same because there’s many different Android phones.

            • glynor
            • 9 years ago

            We’ll see. According to one research firm, quoting a survey and not firm sales figures, more new smartphone sales were Android phones than iPhones in Q1 of 2010.

            However, that is one quarter. And not a particularly strong quarter for consumer electronics at that (we’re talking Q1 – the one right after the Christmas quarter). And the iPhone was many months old and many of the Android phones were brand new (some would argue, because they missed the window).

            Plus, anyone remotely paying attention and in the market knew that Apple was going to put out a new phone around now, so the smart money would be to hold off at least until the end of Q2, unless you broke your old one or something. You could argue, that if you were seriously considering an iPhone, you were going to buy one for Christmas. Then Android makers like HTC put out some really nice phones after Christmas was over. You could argue that if they couldn’t beat the iPhone this quarter, they’d already lost the game (queue Palm) and not just the battle.

            And overall sales figures for the world, and for the total market shares, paint a very different picture.

            So… We’ll see. I wouldn’t call this race before it is over quite yet.

            • Corrado
            • 9 years ago

            Didn’t Apple say they sold a record number of iPhones in Q1?

            §[<http://macosrumors.com/2010/01/25/apple-announces-record-q1-financials/<]§ /[

      • glynor
      • 9 years ago

      Yeah. No kidding.

      Think this has anything to do with a coming Verizon iPhone? No, of course not. And pay no attention to the fact that we raised our early termination fees too, because that also doesn’t mean we’re about to have to face some real competition and we’re scared. To be fair, they only matched the higher fees that Verizon had already jacked up (because they were losing to many customers to AT&T iPhones, I expect).

      It’s almost like one company decides to raise rates, and instead of competitive pressures causing that company to risk a loss of volume, all of the companies in the market just win because they too can raise their rates.

      It’s like they’re colluding without actually colluding. It just works out awfully conveniently that they only compete directly “around the edges”.

        • Corrado
        • 9 years ago

        Verizon announced they are moving to tiered data plans 3 weeks before AT&T did. Verizon also raised their ETFs a few months back to $350 as opposed to $325 on AT&T.

        But lets not let facts get in the way of hating.

        Haters gon’ hate.

        §[<http://www.phonedog.com/2010/05/27/verizon-plans-to-implement-tiered-lte-data-plans-lte-voice-by-2012/<]§ /[http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2355493,00.asp<]§ /[

          • glynor
          • 9 years ago

          I’m not hating any one cellular provider over another. They all suck pretty much equally.

          (And, BTW, I mentioned that Verizon raised the ETF first, that was the point of my comment.)

            • Corrado
            • 9 years ago

            I wasn’t calling you out specifically. It sort of looks that way though. I meant that no matter what you tell people, the haters are gonna hate. I don’t think people realize the amount of strain having that many iPhones puts on a network. If Sprint or T-Mobile had gotten an iPhone, their infrastructure would likely have collapsed under the strain. Verizon’s would have been severely impacted as well. You simply can’t add that much utilization in such a short time and expect everything to be OK. Look at EVERY MMO LAUNCH EVER. They KNOW the strain it puts on their hardware, and try and plan for it, and inevitably the registration servers go down during launch.

            Stop thinking any of these companies give a rat’s ass about you. They provide you service to charge you money. They don’t need to be nice to you because once you sign on the line it costs too much to switch, only to realize the next company is out to screw you just as bad.

    • JrezIN
    • 9 years ago

    With so much buzzwords, they still can’ t include “USB port” into those…

    • Chrispy_
    • 9 years ago

    iAds?

    Somone at Apple needs to have their face removed with a cheesegrater.
    One of these days there is going to be a rebellion and I’ll be at the front of the mob.

    • ClickClick5
    • 9 years ago

    l[<"...users will be able to capture 720p video at a claimed 30 frames per second, as well."<]l I should go return my JVC camcorder I just bought.

      • KyleSTL
      • 9 years ago

      Google “sensor size” and “bitrate”. 720p != 720p (always).

      • UberGerbil
      • 9 years ago

      I suspect Mr Click was kidding.

      /[

        • MadManOriginal
        • 9 years ago

        So true. My cheapass Canon point and shoot that’s a good 5 years old at least takes better pictures than phones. The difference is simple: good optics.

    • destroy.all.monsters
    • 9 years ago

    If I never hear about another apple product it will be too soon.

    I hope you all give the next Blackberry the level of coverage as you’ve given this.

      • jdaven
      • 9 years ago

      Why? Is the Blackberry coming out with something newsworthy or do you just want TR to simply post updated specs in a news article?

      Say what you will about Apple, but so far, the rest of the industry is following their lead. Some are doing a heckuva lot better job with certain aspects but following nonetheless.

      The leader gets the limelight. When Blackberry releases a new technology that everyone is falling over themselves to copy then you will see more coverage. You will not get coverage for equal coverage sake. That’s not how media works.

    • wira020
    • 9 years ago

    Good job Apple… i hope this will inspire other phone manufacturer to do better… most of the function is already available in other phones, it’s the screen and shape that’s better than others..

    • Xenolith
    • 9 years ago

    Can you use this as a phone?

      • RhysAndrews
      • 9 years ago

      Don’t be silly. Wait until iPhone 5: “We’re bringing audio calling to the WORLD. We call it: EarTime.” That’s right, apple will call themselves the first company to enable you to make phone calls.

        • indeego
        • 9 years ago

        The funny thing is is that I no longer care about phone functionality in my smart”phones.” I’d rather have fast network access (like Wimax/4G/802.11n)

        My minutes using phone for the purpose intended (work) have dwindled to essentially zero. Why pay $40/month ($960/ 2 years, much more than the device itself) anymore?

        I think next round I will be cutting the cord with the telco networksg{<.<}g Three years ago I wanted the best phone possible, too. My how times are changing.

          • MadManOriginal
          • 9 years ago

          I don’t pay *really* close attention to wireless tech so don’t beat me up – What’s needed for WiMax service, it’s basically just an ISP of the wireless sort right? 4G is one of the next cell technology, so you’d still need a ‘telco’ account?

          I’m with you though…it’s almost getting to be worth just going with a cheapo ’emergency’ prepay cell phone for calls if you must and an advanced wireless mini-tablet-y device. If there was a 4-5″ device with cutting edge wireless tech that wasn’t tied down to certain vendors or service providers we’d be there, if you wanted to go VoIP you could even do away with the cheapo cell but you can’t get away from paying *some* service provider. 😉 The newest phones without a contract are close but not quite because they may not be fully open to whatever provider you want, plus they’re pricey but that’s what such a device would go for with no contract. A month-to-month service like the iPad has would be perfect. We still need those next-gen networks widely deployed though.

            • indeego
            • 9 years ago

            I’m mostly thinking Clear, which is $45/month for 6 down/ 1 up.
            Get your “phone” through skype/ google phone, or similar service.
            Get a netbook / a backpack, / bluetooth headset, and you have a much more affordable way of getting online/ communicating, and you have far more features than a smartphone available to you, including higher resolution, upgradability, etc. True road-warrior stuff hereg{<.<}g

            • tfp
            • 9 years ago

            Do you have clear? How is the service?

            • indeego
            • 9 years ago

            I demo’d it for 2 weeks when it came out, and it was fine, at least here in Portland. Used it in about 6 locations and in 4 of them I received stated speedsg{<.<}g

            • MadManOriginal
            • 9 years ago

            WiMax or something like it just needs to be ubiquitous. That would be the smart way to do rural broadbandification through the broadband stimulus. Unfortunately the incumbent’$ lobbyists fight its deployment tooth and nail. (Yes, I’m for municipal broadband too.)

        • ModernPrimitive
        • 9 years ago

        lmao. Sounds like a good possibility to me.

    • deathBOB
    • 9 years ago

    Cool hardware, great design. I just ordered an Evo and this doesn’t really change my mind, they seem to be on the same level in terms of features.

    I think it’s pretty cool that AT&T is bumping up everyone’s upgrade time.

    • UberGerbil
    • 9 years ago

    I wonder if they’re going to do an updated iPod Touch with most of this tech (particularly the screen) or if that would risk cannibalizing the iPad too much. (The price points might not be that different either)

      • blastdoor
      • 9 years ago

      If they’re smart, they won’t worry about cannibalizing. The goal should be to get as many iOS devices out there as possible to support the platform.

      But that’s only if they’re smart…

      • derFunkenstein
      • 9 years ago

      The current higher-end (read: not 8GB) iPod Touch is a phone-less iPhone 3Gs. I imagine that the new iPod Touch will be an iPhone 4. They’ve never been worried before, why start now? They just won’t release until September is all.

        • UberGerbil
        • 9 years ago

        But they didn’t have an iPad to protect before. Yes, it’s almost always better to cannibalize yourself before a competitor does it for you, but you don’t want to do it before you absolutely have to. Maybe the iPad form factor defines a significantly different market niche that it’s not an issue, but Apple seems to like to keep a clear price-and-features differentiation between its products (vs the gradations within a particular line). Mini vs iMac vs Pro, MacBook vs Pro, etc.

        Yeah, a phoneless version of this was what I meant. If they hold back on it until the fall (without the required regulatory approval required for phones, it actually should be available first), it might make sense in the context of a simultaneously refreshed iPad as well.

      • FuturePastNow
      • 9 years ago

      We’ll see. I think they usually update the iPod touch closer to the holidays.

      I suspect that it will get a lot of these upgrades.

        • MadManOriginal
        • 9 years ago

        If they come out with a month-to-month 3G plan for the iPod like the iPad has I would seriously consider one. *cries* 😉

    • FireGryphon
    • 9 years ago

    This is an amazing piece of technology, at least on paper. Going by other Apple products, I’m sure iPhone 4 will pan out to be as good as it sounds.

    Sucks that I still have over a year left on my Verizon contract.

    • SomeOtherGeek
    • 9 years ago

    This is good for business.

    I’m still torn on getting a new pager. Pager being the keyword here. Cuz it must be a data plan only with a keypad for email reasons. I like the iPhone just cuz it works. But I don’t like the keypad. My daughter has the iTouch and the keypad on it sucks. The BB, I like for that reason – the keypad is a part of the device. Walmart has the 97 buck price on the iPhone 3Gs. So dammit, what am I to do?

      • tay
      • 9 years ago

      You get used to the keyboard. And its by far the best on-screen keyboard around. Don’t let that stop you, the overall quality of the devices is great.

        • SomeOtherGeek
        • 9 years ago

        Ok, cool and thanks!

    • blastdoor
    • 9 years ago

    Looks like a nice solid upgrade. I’ll definitely upgrade from my 3G to get this, and the new cheaper data plans will make this even nicer (I don’t come anywhere close to using 2 GB)

    The smartphone market is extremely competitive right now. I have to say I’m glad that Google came out with Android — I’m sure Apple wouldn’t be pushing so hard right now without the competition.

    • Ushio01
    • 9 years ago

    So what’s better apple’s IPS screen or the amoled screen’s on other phones?

    • Mithent
    • 9 years ago

    Nice display, certainly.. good to see them moving in the direction of higher dot pitch. No killer app if you don’t include the screen, but do they need one? People who are happy with their 3G/3GS will probably upgrade to an iPhone 4.

    Still not sure why video chat is suddenly the next amazing thing though when it’s been available for years here in Europe and not widely used at all.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 9 years ago

      It’s amazing because now APPLE has done it and Jobs says it’s amazing.

      • NeelyCam
      • 9 years ago

      Yeah, but Europeans are behind the US in social networking. I’m sure this Video Chat thingy is going to make it big in the US.

        • SubSeven
        • 9 years ago

        Yes you are right… we have more imbeciles here. Just look at all the morons that supported Sex and the City 2, a movie that at its roots encourages selfishness, narcissism, and debauchery in magnitudes incomprehensible to a vast majority of the nations in this world. Sad part is that morons like my sisters see this movie as “a prime and shining example of true friendship” and “good illustration of a perfect husband/boyfriend”. Steve Jobs is just a brilliant crook that can convince imbeciles such as my sisters that they need whatever it is that Apple is calling “in” at the moment regardless of the obscene prices. The iphone 4 (and the two that preceded it) is far more about giving big immature boys/girls a new toy to shut them up for a few days (till the next revision; iPhone 5 anyone???) than it is about delivering “cutting edge” technology of the future. That’s my rant for the day.

          • demani
          • 9 years ago

          Whew. Glad I’m not on your lawn. And that I’m not one of your sisters.

          /[

            • SubSeven
            • 9 years ago

            You get on my lawn and you’ll lose your kneecaps.

        • MadManOriginal
        • 9 years ago

        Yeah, they do ‘social networking’ the real way, in person, not on addiction inducing sites that are there mostly to milk your personal information for profit.

    • ekul
    • 9 years ago

    Does anyone else think this all makes iPad seem outdated and weak? iPhone 4 has almost 80% the resolution as iPad despite the size difference, a front facing camera for video chat and iPhone OS 4 with multitasking. It seems like Apple should have left iPad in the oven a few more months and done it properly.

      • sparkman
      • 9 years ago

      Resolution isn’t everything. As nice as the iPhone is for simple web browsing on-the-go, the iPad is a superior device with a much larger display and much longer battery life.

        • ekul
        • 9 years ago

        I just mean this new iphone makes the ipad seem like it should have been so much more. It should offer more resolution for its size and have a camera for video chat.

        OS 4 isn’t supposed to come to iPad until the fall but on a larger device the lack of multitasking is even more noticeable.

        The new iPhone addresses many of the complaints people have been making about iPad.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 9 years ago

      I think the iPad will see some upgrades relatively soon. I might be wrong, but I expect the next iteration of all the iP* line to have front-facing cameras in their next updates.

        • ekul
        • 9 years ago

        If that is the case then why was it left out in the first place? It’s only been a few months since iPad was released so iPad and iPhone 4 were in development at the same time, likely by some of the same people. This is even more likely since they use the same CPU. I don”t want to sound paranoid but did apple leave out things like a camera so they could make money selling a 1st gen iPad and make it again selling the “new and improved iPad 2, now with video chat”?

          • ImSpartacus
          • 9 years ago

          You have to start somewhere. Remember the first iPod Touch? It was an expensive joke. Now it’s the premier mp3 player.

          The iPad is far from perfect, but it will probably become worth it within the new refresh.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 9 years ago

            Yeah, we’re pretty much on the same wavelength here. I don’t think they realized there was quite the demand for a forward-facing camera until the hardware had been finalized.

            • tfp
            • 9 years ago

            I would more expect that there is “nothing” out there like the iPad right now and might as well start selling before there is any compition. They can add features later and people will buy the new version in a year or so just like the iPhone vs iPhone 3G vs iPhone 3GS. I’m sure there are more than a hand full that have owned 2 if not all 3 of the iPhone versions.

            • Corrado
            • 9 years ago

            I still don’t think theres very much demand for a front facing camera in the first place. I have a web cam in my iMac, and one in my MBP. I have yet to use them. In fact, I don’t think I’ve used a web cam in over 5 years even once. Its good for making crappy youtube videos, and chat roulette. Neither of which you’ll catch me, or most people over the age of 23 doing.

          • MadManOriginal
          • 9 years ago

          You’ve just figured out Apple’s sales strategy, way to go!

          • HisDivineShadow
          • 9 years ago

          To get the people who just forked out for iPad’s to buy MORE iPad’s? And then they can sum the two totals together and claim they’ve got twice as many iPad’s sold than they would have had they released with everything that it made sense to have.

          Apple always holds back a bit because they know few people who would be interested in their wares will hold back and wait for the obvious upgrades. Multitasking was possible for how long? Wireless N was built into the last iPhone 3GS, but never turned on. Same for iPod Touch 3G. No cam for iPod Touch?

          All to save for this year. Jobs probably has a chart that he uses to ensure they don’t offer TOO many new things, lest they have nothing to “add” next year. 😉

    • ekul
    • 9 years ago

    Does anyone else think this all makes iPad seem outdated and weak? iPhone 4 has almost 80% the resolution as iPad despite the size difference, a front facing camera for video chat and iPhone OS 4 with multitasking. It seems like Apple should have left iPad in the oven a few more months and done it properly.

      • NeelyCam
      • 9 years ago

      IPhone is also cheaper, and makes phone calls.

    • indeego
    • 9 years ago

    Looks nice. Bummer about the company that makes it thoughg{<.<}g

      • henfactor
      • 9 years ago

      Not meant to start a war here, but why does company matter? Microsoft’s made some very controversial choices over the years, but they don’t get bashed nearly as much.

      The device seems well built, well supported, and has some very cool innovations. As a user, what more do you care about?

        • Kurotetsu
        • 9 years ago

        I think he’s talking about the working conditions in Foxconn’s factories?

          • glynor
          • 9 years ago

          In that case, it would also be a “bummer” about the company that makes parts for literally every single computer or CE device you’ve ever owned. Guess where the socket in that motherboard of yours probably came from? How about those DIMM slots? Or that shiny new DROID phone?

          Apple is not Foxconn’s only, or even their biggest, customer.

            • MadManOriginal
            • 9 years ago

            I would be interested if you have some info on the size of factories and/or number of workers that each company for which Foxconn contracts uses. I do know that the Apple Foxconn factory is a dedicated factory (really city) with 420k employees.

            • Skrying
            • 9 years ago

            It wouldn’t surprise me that Foxconn has a facility dedicated to Apple but it would surprise that of Foxconn’s 486,000 employees 420,000 of them are dedicated to Apple.

            §[<http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2009/snapshots/11204.html<]§

            • MadManOriginal
            • 9 years ago

            I can’t speak for the accuracy of it but it seemed legit. I’ve seen the 420k number thrown around for the number of people at the Shenzen (I think) facility/compound/factory town and it was implied that it’s dedicated to Apple products. All the little bits and pieces Foxconn makes are probably much more automated, I don’t know how much of their production goes towards other completely assembled products like motherboards or how many people might be needed for those lines.

            • Skrying
            • 9 years ago

            This WSJ article listed below is an interesting read. It puts the numbers in the plant at 270,000 with 1/7 dedicated to Apple’s products (as claimed by Apple).

            §[<http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118677584137994489.html<]§

            • glynor
            • 9 years ago

            Implied is not stated. Lots of tech websites have been “implying” that Apple is Foxconn’s biggest client (I even heard someone say “I think they are” on the Engadget podcast recently), without actually having any facts to back it up.

            The firm announcements from Foxconn haven’t held that up, though, and it wouldn’t really make sense for it to be true.

            Sure, Apple has sold a bunch of smartphones, but it isn’t like they have a majority market share in even the limited smartphone segment (yet). When you look at cell phones as a whole, they have an itty-bitty market share. They’re making a ton of money on those phones, of course. Smartphones have a considerably higher profit margin than cheap everyday “free” feature phones, of course. So they might be one of the “biggest” of those companies who are Foxconn’s clients (via market cap), but that isn’t the same as being Foxconn’s biggest client (via their actual amount of business with the firm).

            And that doesn’t even count Foxconn’s other business. While they are the worlds-largest contract cell phone maker, they don’t just make cell phones. They make components and pieces of everything. It is probably literally tough to find a consumer electronics device today that doesn’t have some little piece that came off a line run by Foxconn.

            It is hard to find firm data. Only Foxconn, and their more well-informed investors, know for sure. However, it is easy to find links quoting Nokia as Foxconn’s biggest client last year in 2009, and some listing Motorola in years previously. I’ve seen plenty of loosely attributed news articles where they say things like: “Analysts said Apple isn’t Foxconn’s biggest client, but it is the most prominent. That may mean problems at Foxconn’s facilities could wind up on Apple’s doorstep more frequently.” (from here: §[<http://www.clb.org.hk/en/node/100768).<]§ And, I think that gets right down to it. Connecting "deaths" with "Apple" sells papers and generates clicks. It is headline link-bait to get you to click on it. Connecting it to Apple tells people why they should care. If you say "some massive Chinese OEM named Foxconn" has had such and such problems, then all those soccer moms out there won't know why to care, and wouldn't even read the article. But if you slap the name Apple on there, it adds a little interest and a little intrigue.

          • Shining Arcanine
          • 9 years ago

          There is nothing to indicate anything wrong with the working conditions in Foxconn’s factories.

            • Skrying
            • 9 years ago

            Really? I guess all this news about Foxconn lately is for nothing? I’m not to suggest that the conditions at Foxconn are worse than the normal in large factories in China. But that doesn’t make those conditions good or any where near “right.”

        • eloj
        • 9 years ago

        “As a user, what more do you care about?”

        Freedom.

          • jdaven
          • 9 years ago

          Your freedom is leaving in America where currently there are about a gazillion phones to choose ranging from simple dumb phones out of vending machines in the airport to high end smartphones that can change the tires on your car.

          Try going to the airport in the Congo and buy a phone out of a vending machine. You will be lucky if you can even buy food out of a vending machine.

    • Da_Boss
    • 9 years ago

    Very nice. Nothing unexpected, but very nice. Apple once again proves to be the master of execution.

    I still can’t get over that display? Who puts IPS tech in a phone display?

    • puppetworx
    • 9 years ago

    Facetime = Sexytime. Gyro will be nice for augmented reality. Screen is apparently epic. Responsiveness is said to be killer. ‘Bunker’ cases are ridiculous; in price and colour.

    No one huge selling point just lots of small incremental improvements. I want to get this in my hands fast. That’s what she said.

    • brute
    • 9 years ago

    oh boy i cant wait to get one of these so i can use it at starbucks and be so trendy and cool

      • MadManOriginal
      • 9 years ago

      You might even pick up a shallow and materialistic woman because of it! (read reports of an email Jobs presented at WWDC.)

        • adam1378
        • 9 years ago

        Apple users lean towards being cleaner and tidier than Linux and Windows users. Woman like a clean man.

    • Buub
    • 9 years ago

    Wow I want one! I’ll have to be happy with my 3GS for at least another year, though. Glad to know I’ll be getting the iOS4 upgrade.

      • cygnus1
      • 9 years ago

      Dial *639# to get a txt with your upgrade date. They’re letting 3GS customers upgrade early. Bought mine July last year, and I qualify for an early upgrade.

    • Farting Bob
    • 9 years ago

    Wjhy do i get the feeling that they are doing all this just to force iAds onto as many iphones as possible. Want the latest phone? Be prepared to put up with the ads.

      • Norphy
      • 9 years ago

      There are multiple ad platforms for the iPhone already, this will just be another one. Its down to the developer of the application to put adverts into their apps, I don’t think that Apple are going to be forcing adverts onto anyone.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 9 years ago

      It’s not anything new. There have been ad-supported apps as long as there’s been an app store. This is actually a welcome upgrade because now accidentally tapping an ad isn’t going to quit my app.

    • Thebolt
    • 9 years ago

    This looks like a great update. In about 8 months when I start work at my new job I’ll definitely be in the market.

    • BoBzeBuilder
    • 9 years ago

    Damn, nice job Apple. Sadly I can’t rant against this, they’ve done a decent job with this phone, however, I can’t say I’d trade my Xperia X10 for one of these.

    • Norphy
    • 9 years ago

    Funny that they’re calling the operating system iOS now. I wonder if the friendly Cisco lawyer is going to be calling Cupertino any time soon?

      • derFunkenstein
      • 9 years ago

      They worked out their “iPhone” issues, I’m sure this is going to be easy to resolve.

      • djgandy
      • 9 years ago

      I think they should call it “iPOS” since all their devices begin with iP.

        • Corrado
        • 9 years ago

        iMac, iBook (former), iWork and iLife start with iP?

          • FireGryphon
          • 9 years ago

          They don’t run the iOS operating system, either.

            • Corrado
            • 9 years ago

            What does that have to do anything? He said ALL their devices start with iP, and thats simply not the case.

    • sweatshopking
    • 9 years ago

    the new antenna looks interesting, I love jdaven.

      • jdaven
      • 9 years ago

      Sweatshopking, I find many of your comments very insightful and thought provoking. But comments like this are making you more of a troll which everyone agrees the internet needs less of.

        • henfactor
        • 9 years ago

        Dually agreed.

        • sweatshopking
        • 9 years ago

        I do walk a fine line….. let me rephrase:

        720p has been done before, they’re late
        the new screen looks sexy ass,
        facechat looks like something that should have been there from the beginning
        personally not super interested in phones, therefore should probably have posted nothing

        jdaven, my apologies.

          • jdaven
          • 9 years ago

          Lol! No worries. This new post with your analysis on the technology is most welcome.

        • ImSpartacus
        • 9 years ago

        Hey, I love Jdaven too!

        …and the antenna really does look interesting.

      • Fighterpilot
      • 9 years ago

      Enough with the man love stuff already…its starting to get icky.

        • derFunkenstein
        • 9 years ago

        finally something we can agree on

        • jdaven
        • 9 years ago

        You’re just jealous.

        • NeelyCam
        • 9 years ago

        Homophobic loser. Wake up – it’s the 21st century.

        • sweatshopking
        • 9 years ago

        look boys, as everyone on her knows, i’m married. to a woman. it isnt so much about homophobic, as being comfortable with a man hug. I’m not gay, i’d assume neither are they, just merely an expression of respect and camaraderie. try it once in a while 😉

          • YellaChicken
          • 9 years ago

          l[

            • sweatshopking
            • 9 years ago

            LOL at that. damn i’m dumb 😛

          • indeego
          • 9 years ago

          As republicans have aptly shown, Marriage to the opposite sex means nothing in terms of your sexual preference. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

          s[

            • sweatshopking
            • 9 years ago

            well. thanks man, however i am purely in the heterosexual camp.

            • MadManOriginal
            • 9 years ago

            You forgot jew 😉

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