Report: Llano might not show up until next summer

Clearly, Intel is gearing up to launch Sandy Bridge very early next year. If there’s any truth to the latest story over at Fudzilla, AMD might not have anything resembling a counterattack for a good, long while. Citing anonymous sources, the site says the release of Llano has been postponed until the third quarter of next year.

Fudzilla goes on to claim that "something went wrong" with Llano’s first tape out, and that AMD will spend "six to nine months" getting the chip fixed up and into mass production. Even a July launch would put AMD half a year behind… and considering Llano is based on the same architecture as today’s Phenom IIs, it probably won’t have the brawn to take Sandy Bridge head-on in CPU benchmarks.

Somewhat paradoxically, AMD’s first Bulldozer chip seems to be quite far along. (AMD said recently it intends to begin sampling this quarter.) Keep in mind that chip is based on a brand new architecture and a brand new manufacturing process. That’s not to say Llano is any less of a challenge. While it uses a proven CPU architecture, Llano includes AMD’s first graphics processor manufactured using a SOI fabrication process, GlobalFoundries’ 32nm one.

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    • Rand
    • 9 years ago

    I wouldn’t be expecting anything particularly close to HD5670 level performance. It’ll be decidedly lacking in a pretty crucial way relative to discrete HD5670 hardware even if it’s boasting identical clocks which I’m doubting.
    64GB/s memory bandwidth for the HD5670 vs. closer to 20GB spread between the processor and GPU with Llano. That’s going to dramatically hold back any otherwise pretty capable GPU.

    Better then Sandy Bridge graphics? I’d be shocked if it wasn’t much better.
    Discrete HD5670? Probably not even close.

    • DeadOfKnight
    • 9 years ago

    “Citing anonymous sources”

    • Goty
    • 9 years ago

    Isn’t it funny to see all these FUD stories come out just before the supposed launch of the first 6000 series cards?

    • Damage
    • 9 years ago

    Just noticed this post went up claiming Llano would be manufactured at TSMC on 40nm. Not correct. I’ve changed the text to reflect the fact that it will be manufactured at GloFo on 32nm SOI.

    • stmok
    • 9 years ago

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      • OneArmedScissor
      • 9 years ago

      Hold your horses there, cowboy. Most of the Sandy Bridge line isn’t showing up until the end of 2011. Unless you somehow know something everyone else doesn’t that suggests Ivy Bridge is about two years ahead of schedule, you’re just a little bit off. The directly comparable Sandy Bridge CPUs may not be out by the time Bulldozer shows up.

      As for Ivy Bridge vs. Bulldozer, there’s no reason to expect it even means anything right now. For all we know, they could just make dual-cores with faster GPUs and leave it at that for a year. Unless GPUs will be doing a lot more of the heavy lifting by that point in time, there really doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of potential there for the CPU side of things as it pertains to PCs.

        • Althernai
        • 9 years ago

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          • kc77
          • 9 years ago

          True but he’s completely disregarding the complexity of AMD’s GPU’s. Even the low end Bobcat is likely to have GPU power greater than even Sandy Bridge from some of the previewed benchmarks. Llano GPU is almost 3 times the size of what’s in Bobcat. It’s basically packing a 5670 onboard. That’s enough power to run 1920×1080 in Batman AA @ 50 – 60 FPS. There’s nothing in Intel’s lineup that will even come close now or even the near future. Hell you can even turn on AA in other games and still be gaming at a playable frame rate.

          With that kind of power you’re talking about almost a panacea for OEMS. The need for adding different video options becomes reduced lowering cost. This is the marketing angle AMD is going for. For mainstream users we’ve had CPU’s that are more than capable of handling web, word processing, and email. However, in terms of GPU performance not so much.

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            • 9 years ago

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            • 9 years ago

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    • JumpingJack
    • 9 years ago

    Llano is 32 nm at GF, Bobcat is on TSMC’s 40 nm.

    • Voldenuit
    • 9 years ago

    Not much interest in Llano here personally. Without any meaningful OpenCL/Stream/DirectCompute mainstream apps (and no sign that this will change in the next 6-18 months), we’re just seeing yet another K10 CPU but with a decent on-die GPU. Will it be more than enough computing power for the average user? You bet. But I anticipate most enthusiasts will be more interested in how Bulldozer fares against Sandy Bridge EX.

    My next build will still be AM3 (using said old architecture), mostly because it has the price/performance ratio beat and is adequate for my uses. If only AM3+ motherboards were around now, I’d happily get one to future-proof myself for Bulldozer.

    AMD really needs to think outside the box to get Llano to succeed. If they can’t get developers coding for GPGPU, it’s going to end up like all the iPad wannabes on the market (Archos, etc) that have zero app support and no real utility or value.

      • OneArmedScissor
      • 9 years ago

      It will certainly run things like WoW or The Sims 3 + eye candy off the GPU. That’s a pretty decent market to open up run of the mill laptops to.

      Why is immediate uptake of GPGPU support important for a general use platform? The way computers are used has hardly changed in 10 years. If the GPU could do everything the CPU does, everyone and their dog would still just be surfing the internets, watching movies, and booting up their computers the same way as always.

        • Voldenuit
        • 9 years ago

        GPGPU is important to AMD because it not only leverages their one undisputed advantage against intel, it has the potential to revolutionize performance in areas that CPUs only see incremental advances in.

        Case in point is video. High def video is everywhere now, there are a plethora of consumer devices that capture HD video – cameras, videocams, even phones. However, most formats that they use tend to be very inefficient – MJPEG, unoptimized h.264, etc. They would benefit greatly from transcoding so that regular families can more easily share and distribute their summer holiday videos to friends and family. Transcoding/reencoding on the CPU is still time consuming, and can tie up the CPU from other heavy lifting tasks for hours.

        I have gigs and gigs of HD MJPEGs and MTS files from my system camera, but reencoding them is a pain because my antiquated C2D just manages 12 fps in high quality settings on Handbrake. I’d love to see GPGPU for video really take off, hopefully without having to spend $700 to get a Premiere Pro CS5 license…

        Course, AMD and nvidia have been singing their promises for years now, and there’s still not very much real progress in this area.

        • shank15217
        • 9 years ago

        WoW at what resolution? WoW isn’t the gfx lite game that you think it is.

    • wira020
    • 9 years ago

    I hope this is just fud… Am really looking forward for a Llano based laptop early next year.. been holding off purchases for it..

    • Anomymous Gerbil
    • 9 years ago

    Microprocessors don’t “espouse”.

    • ModernPrimitive
    • 9 years ago

    I was hoping to see AMD gain more market share across the the different platforms. Competition at price points are good but life was easier for us nerds when they were putting the hurt on Intel at the top of the performance ladder. Competition is beautiful IMO

    • codedivine
    • 9 years ago

    Llano isnt TSMC 40nm, its 32nm at GF.

      • raddude9
      • 9 years ago

      Yea, I thought it was just Bobcat that was going to be on TSMC’s 40nm process.

        • sweatshopking
        • 9 years ago

        you’re correct. llano is not bulk process @ tsmc. also, Fudzilla sucks. they’re never right, about anything. AMD OR INTEL OR NVIDIA

      • mczak
      • 9 years ago

      Indeed. Makes it somewhat surprising that bulldozer is on track but Llano isn’t. Unless something went wrong porting the graphics core (which was up to now always using tsmc bulk silicon) to that GloFo 32nm HKMG process.

        • mesyn191
        • 9 years ago

        BD has been delayed at least once IIRC.

        Was originally supposed to come out very late 2010 or early 2011, now its supposedly a late Q2 product.

          • mczak
          • 9 years ago

          Yes, and Llano was delayed earlier too. Just surprising that BD would now be earlier than Llano (by one quarter).

          • maroon1
          • 9 years ago

          And what is evidence for this ?

          I heard that AM3+ motherboards (which also supports Phenom II, not only Bulldozer) will be out on Q2 2011, but I never heard that Bulldozer will out on same date.

            • mesyn191
            • 9 years ago

            Rumor mills. AMD keeps being coy about the exact date. Q2 is pretty ambiguous, a 3 month time frame. Late Q2 could mean June 28 for all we know at this point.

            Personally I think its unlikely they’d release the motherboards and not the CPU’s shortly after or at the same time.

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