Llano may not hit production until next September

About a month ago, the rumor mill hinted that AMD’s Llano accelerated processing unit might not arrive until the third quarter of next year. Now, another source has chimed in with similar news. DigiTimes says it has learned from sources at motherboard makers that mass-production of the upcoming APU actually won’t kick off until August or September. The site attributes this setback to "lower-than-expected" yields on GlobalFoundries’ 32-nm fab process.

If production really doesn’t begin until the late summer, the actual retail launch may very well slip into the fourth quarter of 2011. At that point, Llano could face only the tail end of Intel’s 32-nm Sandy Bridge onslaught and have to spend most of its lifetime competing against Ivy Bridge, the 22-nm successor to Sandy Bridge. For the record, Ivy Bridge was already in "sample production" two months ago.

And here I was thinking the Sandy Bridge vs. Llano contest would already be a little one-sided, considering the latter is based on the same CPU architecture as today’s Phenom IIs. 

On the upside, DigiTimes adds that Brazos APUs are already shipping, with "about 100 related products to be showcased at CES 2011." Some sites are also reporting that AMD will kick off production of chips based on its next-gen Bulldozer architecture as early as next April.

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    • tejas84
    • 9 years ago

    And you guys think that AMD is going to beat Nvidia to 28nm!

    TSMC will give GlobalFoundries a bloody nose!

      • NeelyCam
      • 9 years ago

      Yes.

    • Hattig
    • 9 years ago

    Hope to see a writeup of the AMD Financial Day stuff here soon.

    §[<http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/11/09/amd-shows-bulldozer-and-cayman/<]§ Llano is H1 still, according to a comment from someone watching the video stream.

    • shank15217
    • 9 years ago

    So AMD comes out with a mainstream part slower than Sandy Bridge even if it comes out in Q1 and people are pissed? AMD’s strength is in getting bobcat out on time and ramping up bulldozer, llano is getting more irrelevant every moment.

    • evilpaul
    • 9 years ago

    Llano was just supposed to be a Phenom II with a built-in IGP that didn’t completely suck? Is the built-in IGP supposed to be able to do anything that a low end Radeon HD ~5450 or even a 4200 IGP w/128MB of sideport memory can’t do?

    I can see the appeal of Ontario/Zacate in laptops (or nettops/HTPC?), but if die level integration is all that’s new/different about Llano I don’t see why TR readers should care.

    “Yay. I can play Quake 3 at 1024×768 without needing an IGP on my motherboard.” /yawn

      • khands
      • 9 years ago

      From what I understand it’s supposed to be a little more powerful than that, but yeah, it’s basically a suped up bobcat.

        • Hattig
        • 9 years ago

        Bobcat is very different from a Phenom II core.

        #18, Llano’s IGP is probably around 400 SPs, so it’s a Redwood rather than a Cedar (5450), but with UVD3 (a certainty, given that Ontario/Zacate also include this already).

        It’s probably a problem scaling up GlobalFoundries’ 32nm to mass market production levels. Hence Bulldozer has come forward to take its place on the production line. It’s too late for AMD to repurpose Llano with Bulldozer cores, but they probably already have a different project that’s doing that, so Llano might just disappear in the long run.

        Or it’s just more FUD, there’s a lot of that around.

          • khands
          • 9 years ago

          I meant as far as the end user is concerned, but yeah, there’s obviously some major technical differences.

            • NeelyCam
            • 9 years ago

            Gate first HiK/MG, anyone? Was supposed to be the second coming of Jesus, but – once again – Intel knew better.

            IBM killed AMD.

          • sschaem
          • 9 years ago

          I dont see what llano bring in late 2011…
          Its a tick/tock strategy that put the tick after the tock.

          Bobcat design is supposed to be scalable with little effort,
          so what happen to llano if AMD can just make a zacate with 4x the SIMD and 4 core?

          And who would choose a llano VS a bulldozer + IGP ?

          I think AMD just wanted to have a cushion in case bobcat/bulldozer had problems. And it seem that their isn’t any problem so they push back llanno further and further.

          Nobody should be surprised if 3 month from now AMD says llano will be out mid 2012.

      • trackerben
      • 9 years ago

      More of product differentiation so that AMD and its partners can maximize sales across laptop sales segments. This way Llano goes into premium models with higher margins for extracting profits from the executive/performance market. Zacate with lesser margins in the mid-tier contest with CULVs. Cheap Ontarios in Atom-smasher designs to lure Intel netbook buyers into trying AMD for a change. They really want to make up for years of mindshare weakness vs. Intel mobile platforms.

    • trackerben
    • 9 years ago

    This “combination Brazos / Llano rig” can be just as interesting:
    §[<http://tinyurl.com/3als3qq<]§

    • Krogoth
    • 9 years ago

    Ouch….

    Sandy Bridge is going to seize the title “first mainstream system-on-a-chip” solution.

    • ronch
    • 9 years ago

    I’m getting a bit pissed off the way AMD keeps on delaying Llano and their Fusion parts. Are you gonna release this product or not? Sell it or scrap it!

    • OneArmedScissor
    • 9 years ago

    As lame as that is, people are going to overlook the good part – AMD played their cards right for once.

    They didn’t bet everything on just one very risky thing, and the most expendable platform took the bullet so that everything else could keep moving forward.

    They lost a shrunk down Athlon II. Now they’ll keep selling…Athlon IIs. Oh darn.

    Yes, it has a fancy pants new sort of IGP that would set it apart, but they were too ambitious, and now is not the most appropriate time for standardizing quad-cores and equally over the top IGPs, anyways. Put that in an everyday laptop and you’re just going to get a bunch of people stuck using it as some sort of overkill Bobcat.

      • sparkman
      • 9 years ago

      Well said.

    • khands
    • 9 years ago

    Come on AMD, you’ll be two generations behind soon.

      • amirol
      • 9 years ago

      Someone who is a pionieer in GPU field and a little behind in CPU front ,in APU contest will be the first even in $ and Performance is the first and foremost. AMD s Dragon is flying so high,Look after your cap ,it is high in the sun.

        • sweatshopking
        • 9 years ago

        BAN HIM PLEASE.

        • ronch
        • 9 years ago

        VONDRASHEK LIVES!!!

    • Hattig
    • 9 years ago

    At this rate AMD could design a quad-Bobcat with more SIMDs than Zacate and have it out before Llano. 150mm^2 for a 1.6GHz 38W quad-core with 160 shaders built using TSMC’s 40nm process anyone?

      • OneArmedScissor
      • 9 years ago

      I’m taking a wild guess that the problem is making a middle of the road sized chip that has so many different unique parts that it can’t reasonably be repurposed if there’s a defect.

      Sandy Bridge is a little different. It can start as a high end chip, and then they can take off L3 cache, CPU cores, or half the GPU and just sell it as something else.

      If you have to knock cores or SIMDs off of Llano, you will end up with some sort of screwed up Bobcat. If a Bobcat chip comes out borked, throw it out and use another one!

        • NeelyCam
        • 9 years ago

        My guess is that the GPU team screwed up – whatever circuit techniques/methodologies used to work “fine” for TSMC’s process, don’t work that great in IBM/GF 32nm SOI…

        The GPU team doesn’t have experience in SOI, and maybe the CPU and GPU teams don’t talk to each other enough. Epic fail.

        Ontario/Zacate work well because the GPU team already knew how to deal with TSMC 40nm, and core was synthesized and doesn’t push boundaries. Bulldozer works, because the CPU team has been designing on SOI for years. Llano is DOA because former ATI team didn’t know what they were doing.

        Sandybridge eats AMD’s lunch. By the time Llano will work well enough (i.e., at target clocks), IvyBridge is beating it into pulp.

        Then again, this is what’s been going on for years. Intel delivers time and time again, while AMD screws up. I bet AMD is going to whine something about Intel monopoly in graphics and sues them in New York.

        Obama really should do something about frivolous lawsuits.

          • anotherengineer
          • 9 years ago

          If they are “just” having “foundry” issues, maybe they can ask Intel to fab a couple million chips, however I don’t think AMD would ask them and I doubt Intel would say yes (unless the price is more than AMD could afford)

          Either way, my next major upgade won’t be for almost another 2 yrs, by which time both platforms should be matured enough to get a nice performance increase at a decent price.

          • trackerben
          • 9 years ago

          “…Obama really should do something about frivolous lawsuits.”

          Obama is of the same legal profession which comprises much of the permanent elite class in the capitals. Wouldn’t it be reasonable to suppose that of all the jobs he would want to “save”, those dependent on such behaviors would be uppermost in his supersmartmind?

            • NeelyCam
            • 9 years ago

            That would be quite selfish… I’d like to think that the voters are voting not for the selfish candidates that look after interest of those similar to him/her, but for unselfish candidates that look after interest of the voters.

            Voters made a mistake with Bush, but I think they got it right with Obama.

            • trackerben
            • 9 years ago

            Yet consider the motivation… and the evidence.

            If the idea is redistribution in a restless and litigious society, were would be the surplus of lawyers and lawsuits? We’ve seen contentious reform and regulations, a domain of the legal elites whose worldview informs the rest. This is “job creation” in a governing franchise which the Obamas, Pelosis, and McCains understand and desire. It’s in their individual and collective interest to expand the profession and its reach, moreso now that its skills are critical to superseding constitutional frameworks.

          • OneArmedScissor
          • 9 years ago

          I doubt anyone just screwed up. It looks like they’re just too ambitious for their own good. Tieing a GPU with several hundred SPs into a quad-core CPU sounds like trying to make a 16 core CPU four years ago. It’s almost just silly.

          Despite their sudden emphasis on graphics and all the money in the world, you don’t see Intel even attempting that. They may have Sandybridge ready, but they played it safe with the GPU, and it may very well be years before they do a GPU like Llano’s.

          AMD played it safe with Bobcat, as well. It’s practically an 880GX northbridge with an integrated CPU, more than the other way around. Saying that they got it to work because they know TSMC isn’t really apples and apples.

            • NeelyCam
            • 9 years ago

            l[

            • OneArmedScissor
            • 9 years ago

            It’s not a screw up if they still get it done this year.

            • NeelyCam
            • 9 years ago

            Um… depends on what point of the year (I assume we’re talking about 2011, although “this year” is still 2010). If it’s too close to IvyBridge, all may be lost.

    • amirol
    • 9 years ago

    Liver jan jan how are you?
    Please Consider the whole progress and goodness of AMD which is spread all the net

      • sweatshopking
      • 9 years ago

      wtf are you on? you’re not even using correct grammar. SERIOUSLY. This guy annoys me, and I’M ANNOYING.

        • NeelyCam
        • 9 years ago

        NOW you are.

        • amirol
        • 9 years ago

        Thank you.Im not a native man…

    • FuturePastNow
    • 9 years ago

    Llano was never terribly exciting, but the longer it is delayed, the less interesting it becomes.

    • amirol
    • 9 years ago

    Oh. hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    Make a hey.

      • amirol
      • 9 years ago

      Llano was EVER terribly exciting,and the longer it is delayed, the MORE interesting it becomes. Its the fact.

    • Jigar
    • 9 years ago

    Bad news about AMD all over the internet.

      • NeelyCam
      • 9 years ago

      So /[

      • amirol
      • 9 years ago

      Jigar jan; you mean the BAD news!!!! that comes from share market which goes up to the moon are spread ? What are the bads? Radeon 6xxxx or New Barts are so awful? enlight me honey,please.

        • NeelyCam
        • 9 years ago

        @Jigar: she said ‘honey’ so you should be nice and enlighten her

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