Radeon HD 6850, 6870 prices climb skyward

About two and a half weeks have passed since AMD unveiled its Radeon HD 6850 and 6870 graphics cards. The new GPUs are formidable performers, and their aggressive introductory pricing led Nvidia to enact some price cuts of its own, making cards of that caliber more affordable all around. Good news, right? Yes, at least in theory. We’ve conducted one of our famous availability checks to see how widely available the new Radeons are, and whether they’re as cheap as they should be.

We searched for cards at Newegg, TigerDirect, and Amazon in the United States; those are all large retailers with sizable stocks, and other, smaller vendors seem to be slipping behind. North of the border, we looked at NCIX. The cards we found are listed below with available models highlighted in green. All prices are in U.S. dollars except for NCIX’s, which are in Canadian dollars. We didn’t factor mail-in rebates into our prices.

Let’s start with the Radeon HD 6850, which launched at $179:

  Price (U.S.) Price (CA)
Model Newegg TigerDirect Amazon NCIX.com
Asus EAH6850 DirectCU/2DIS/1GD5  $184.99 $209.99 $209.99 $199.04
Diamond 6850PE51G     $224.00  
Gigabyte GV-R685D5-1GD $189.99   $196.00 $189.99
HIS H685F1GD $179.99 $219.99 $179.99 $189.93
MSI R6850-PM2D1GD5 $199.99      
PowerColor AX6850 1GBD5-DH $179.99   $201.60 $189.99
PowerColor AX6850 1GBD5-PEDH       $199.99
Sapphire 11180-00-20R       $198.82
Sapphire 100315L $204.99 $189.99 $198.60  
VisionTek 900339   $199.99 $214.99 $233.80
XFX HD-685X-ZNFC $209.99 $189.99 $199.99 $199.99
Median $189.99 $199.99 $200.80 $198.93
Overall median $199.99  

Yikes! Radeon HD 6850 availability looks somewhat spotty, and we only found a single card in stock at the official launch price. Among all of the models we tracked down in the U.S., the median asking price is $199.99. Amazon charges as much as $224 for one model, although that one’s out of stock.

Next up, the Radeon HD 6870, which has a $239 suggested e-tail price:

  Price (U.S.) Price (CA)
Model Newegg TigerDirect Amazon NCIX.com
Asus EAH6870/2DI2S/1GD5 $259.99 $259.99 $259.99 $266.12
Diamond 6870PE51G $249.99   $272.08 $277.98
Gigabyte GV-R687D5-1GD-B $259.99   $253.12 $254.99
HIS H687F1G2M $239.99 $244.99 $244.99 $249.98
HIS H687FT1G2M $274.99     $289.99
MSI R6870-2PM2D1GD5 $279.99 $259.99 $259.99 $259.99
PowerColor AX6870 1GBD5-M2DH $239.99   $268.80 $259.99
Sapphire 100314SR $259.99 $254.99 $254.99  
Sapphire 21179-00-40R       $279.99
VisionTek 900338 $239.99 $249.99 $249.99 $284.17
XFX HD-687A-ZNBC $299.99     $289.99
XFX HD-687A-ZNFC $269.99   $270.97 $269.99
Median $259.99 $254.99 $259.99 $269.99
Overall median $259.99  

The availability picture looks much better here, but again, median prices are a solid 20 bucks over AMD’s suggested pricing. One of the 6870s listed at Newegg costs an eye-popping $299.99. That card does have higher-than-normal clock speeds and double-lifetime warranty coverage, but I don’t know if those perks are really worth a $60 premium.

How do things look on the Nvidia side? It’s harder to rank GeForce GTX 460 cards, simply because so many different versions clocked at different speeds exist. However, Newegg has a healthy number of GTX 460 768MB cards in stock and selling for $159.99 and $169.99. The one-gig variants start as low as $189.99, with the first page of Newegg results only reaching up to $229.99. By the way, that EVGA FTW card we recommended in our latest system guide is now $10 cheaper—and it comes with a free game and a $10 mail-in rebate in addition to the price cut.

Clearly, AMD is having a harder time meeting demand than Nvidia. We’ve asked AMD for an official comment and are awaiting a response. Stay tuned.

Comments closed
    • HighTech4US
    • 9 years ago

    And prices for AMD’s 6850 and 6870 continue to rise (Cyril how about an update on this story):

    6850:

    §[<http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&Description=6850%20radeon&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20<]§ Lowest price is now $199.99 or $20 over MSRP ----- 6870: §[<http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&Description=6870%20radeon&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20<]§ Lowest price is now $269.99 or $30 over MSRP ------------------------------ ------------------------------ On the nVidia side there are lots and lots of GTX460's in stock §[<http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20600007323%20600062521&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20<]§ The EVGA 768-P3-1360-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB is priced at $139.99 after rebate with a Free HAWX 2 game coupon The ECS NBGTX460-1GPI-F GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB is priced at $169.99 after rebate with a Free HAWX 2 game coupon The EVGA 01G-P3-1377-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) FTW 1GB (850 mhz) is priced at $219.99 after rebate with a Free HAWX 2 game coupon ------ ------ The 6850 is now $60 higher than the GTX 460 768MB. The 6870 is now $100 higher than the GTX 460 1GB (Stock Clock). The 6870 is now $50 higher than the GTX 460 1GB (850mhz Clock). and that doesn't even include the Free HAWX 2 game coupon. The Holiday shopping season is upon us and it looks like AMD only has a lump of coal for your stocking.

    • marvelous
    • 9 years ago

    I didn’t get a 68×0 card. Instead picked up a year older 5850 4 $175 after rebate. Much better deal than inflated 68×0 prices considering 5850 sits between 6850 and 6870 @ stock with bigger clocking potential.

      • Fighterpilot
      • 9 years ago

      $175 is a great price for a 5850,mine’s worked like a champ so far..congrats.
      Thanks for swinging the ban hammer Scott,that guy is obviously mentally unhinged.

    • Damage
    • 9 years ago

    SiliconSlick has been banned for extensive trolling and engaging in personal attacks. Please try to keep things civil, folks.

      • sweatshopking
      • 9 years ago

      we’re banning trolls!??!?!? should I be concerned?

        • Meadows
        • 9 years ago

        You’re not obnoxious.

    • SiliconSlick
    • 9 years ago

    We have simply a worse repeat of the 5000 series launch that consisted of a just a very bare few cards for TWO FULL MONTHS before anything nearing adequate supply was in the channels. How quickly they forget.
    Now we have the repeat, with the further failure in the delayed launch, which of course is also another very shady way to steal the competitions sales while knowing the product claim is not ready, by delaying the purchaser with falsehoods.
    The initial 10,000 cards is half and less than the 2 months of the missing 5000 series, which we all know was a dirty criminal act by AMDATI to launch before preparation, and then was followed by another crime with the 3rd Q book cooking shipments to boot. Of course, they generally got away with it because fining a broke and in debt company for their lies and dirty tricks might just destroy them.
    But, amidst all that, the CRIMINAL CEO of AMD was charged with felony – displaying to the entire world how crime came from the top.
    So we have an AMD/ATI pattern of crime and abuse of the gaming community, falsehoods perpetrated for market share stealing, and criminal executive conviction.
    Surprisingly hatred is directed instead toward NVidia’s executive, whom at the very least hasn’t been staring at the prison cell bars from the wrong side, like AMDATI’s.
    🙂
    It’s good to hear the truth.

    • Fighterpilot
    • 9 years ago

    LOL even the diehard NVidia fans at AnandTech petitioned to have him banned…which he duly was.

    • Fighterpilot
    • 9 years ago

    Could everyone stop feeding this insane troll?
    He’s been banned from just about every tech forum on the Net and is stinking up the place.

      • poulpy
      • 9 years ago

      Don’t understand why he /[

        • MrBojangles
        • 9 years ago

        I second that, been sitting here wondering “Were are the mods” the whole time his assine post have been getting spammed on multiple comment boards.He’s 10 times worse than prime1 or snakeoil ever was.They at least would admit when they’ve been completely proven wrong or just quietly move on to a new thread to troll.He’s not even making since in 90% of his post anymore. it’s mostly coming off as incoherent gibberish and all the persuasive charisma of a 5 year old yelling “I know you are but what am i” “I can’t hear you lalalalallalala”.

    • burntham77
    • 9 years ago

    Less than 300 dollars for the 6870? Wow, my hot-running 4870 is starting to look wimpy and inefficient.

    • michael_d
    • 9 years ago

    To make things worse AMD announced that the 69XX release will be postponed until December

    • YeuEmMaiMai
    • 9 years ago

    anyone heard of supply and demand? nothing to see here, move along

      • SiliconSlick
      • 9 years ago

      ROFLMAO – Right, let’s just move along – it’s not a NEAR PAPER launch from ATI, and we’ll just call it supply and demand, and then we’ll just call it wacked out demand because we know how great ATI cards are.

      In light of this, the 6900 series is LATE – and boy that has got to be demand, too, huh !

      Why we just excel at being ati fans !

      Let’s be honest.
      ATI has failed at execution, has sworn there wouldn’t be a problem , but anyone whom paid attention saw the “10,000” ONLY ready worldwide for the 68xx launch declared by ATI, which is a very, very low number.
      (20,000 and 50,000 on WEAK launches very recent)

      Also, we now have heard 69xx is delayed – and we have drmos, tsmc, bios issues, and driver issues to blame… yield (perhaps the only ‘rumor’) was said to be in the 1 digit range ( 9% or below).

      But now, we’re supposed to give ATI a big pass, and blame it on “partners”. Maybe we’ll run away from our former communist mindset while attacking NVidia and happily call it “big demand!” with market mechanics driving the prices up …

      Yeah. I’m the “fanboy” – right.

        • YeuEmMaiMai
        • 9 years ago

        i know u not too bright so I’ll let u slide futher…..

        1. demand for the 68×0 cards is high and supply is tight…….

        2. I never said anything about 6900 buy since you brought up it being late lol lets not forget Nvidia being 7+ months late for Fermi ahhaha

    • Krogoth
    • 9 years ago

    SiliconSlick is your that new alias, In_Elite? 😉

    You are the epitome on why fanboys are made of failure.

    Objectivity doesn’t exist in your dictionary.

    Nvidia’s marketing division is hiring more professional trolls to spread senseless FUD? When the said tactic had the opposite effect?

      • SiliconSlick
      • 9 years ago

      Yes I’m a paid rep, you lunatic.

    • xastware
    • 9 years ago

    .oOdeletedOo.

    • Zantash
    • 9 years ago

    To the people concerned about the cost and which is cheaper, consider the cost to operate a system with a power hungry nvidia gpu compared to a more efficient AMD gpu. Over the time that a person will use the card, the AMD card will probably be quite a bit cheaper. You don’t need to spend as much on your PSU either.

    The other thing I consider is the heat…I have a furnace to heat my house and an AC to cool it, the cooler my GPU runs, the more comfortable my room will be while playing games. Besides, if your games are running 50 FPS, do you really think another 5 FPS is going to matter?
    To me it’s an easy decision…AMD!!

      • Voldenuit
      • 9 years ago

      How much more power efficient? The GTX 460 1 GB drew 141W under gaming load at xbitlabs to 124W for the 6870. At 10¢/kW-hr, that translates to a $4.97 difference in electricity bill if a user games 8 hrs a day for 365 days a year. Many places in the US enjoy significantly lower average electricity rates, so the difference might be even less. A 460 OC draws a bit more power (estimate ~7% from anand’s numbers), but we’re still talking ~$5 difference.

      So when you ask people to consider the cost difference between running a 6870 and a GTX 460, it’s going to take 6 years for the electricity bill to make up the difference between the two, more if they get cheap power.

        • travbrad
        • 9 years ago

        Where do you get off backing up your claim with facts and numbers? 🙂

          • Voldenuit
          • 9 years ago

          PS Just wanted to point out that my numbers don’t include idle power or PSU efficiency, so real world difference is a bit more than just comparing load power, but the fact remains that the difference in running costs between the two cards is rather small.

        • Zantash
        • 9 years ago

        I had not seen that review and didn’t realize the 460 was that much of an improvement. So the difference in power usage is not as much as I had thought.

        I’d rather see performance numbers of a reference 460 against a reference 6870. Or wait until some manufacturer overclocked 6870s are available to compete against the overclocked 460s. Then see which is better.

      • SiliconSlick
      • 9 years ago

      The total electric bill difference over the useful card lifetime might be $10 if you game a lot.
      Then you have the problem that you claimed was a benefit – heat in the winter – NVIDIA saves you on your furnace bill then, ATI costs you more during the winter.
      So now yer almost to dead even.
      Not like your “easy decision” looks like anything to me but you snowballing yourself and deceiving the rest who can’t think clearly either.
      Way to go.

        • marvelous
        • 9 years ago

        So you pay more for furnace with ATI card? Then you must use more AC in the summer with Nvidia cards. :/

        Nvidia fans and logic never went well together.

          • SiliconSlick
          • 9 years ago

          That was already noted in the 2 posts concerned, so ATI fans and reading comprehension will never go together.

    • willyolio
    • 9 years ago

    what’s this? canadian pricing lower than US pricing? what kind of bizzarro world is this?

    • tbone8ty
    • 9 years ago

    just got a HIS 6870 from newegg for $225 with the promo code

    • mchlhth
    • 9 years ago

    Did anybody look to see what promo codes are running when they looked up these e-tail prices?

    AnandTech reported earlier this week that the GeForce GTX 580 was running at $50-60 above MSRP on NewEgg, thinking they were cashing in on the new hotness by jacking the price. When AT contacted NE, they were reminded that a 10% off all graphics cards promotion was in effect. Since the GTX 580 is so new they weren’t authorized to sell it below MSRP, and the only thing they could do besides rebuke the whole promo was to raise the prices enough that the 10%-off promo would bring it back to MSRP.

    WIth that in mind, I went to NE and put the $190 Gigabyte Radeon 6850 into the shopping cart and applied the promo code. Guess what? With $7.56 shipping, the grand total comes out to $178.55.

    Honestly, I can’t speak for TigerDirect or Amazon, as I’ve always found them to be more expensive than NE for no explicable reason when it comes to parts like motherboards or video cards. However, I don’t think there’s enough evidence to support a supply/cost conspiracy here.

    • Krogoth
    • 9 years ago

    Geez, all this drama over hopelessly overpowered GPUs with no “good PC games” that utillze their full potential. What we got running are console ports which still can run fine with an 8800GT and tech demos with non-existent gameplay.

    We are so darn spoiled. 2 Megapixel gaming used to be only for ther ultra-high end. It is now the mainstream option. 4 Megapxiel gaming is now within the budget of most enthusiast. Fanboys have no bloody prespective.

      • khands
      • 9 years ago

      Haha, very true, very true indeed.

        • HurgyMcGurgyGurg
        • 9 years ago

        Yep, when the resolution has to be bumped to 2500×1600 and a lot of AA tacked on for the cheapest card to struggle, you’ve got to wonder what’s the point.

        We need a new console generation. It’ll do the PC graphics market good.

          • travbrad
          • 9 years ago

          That’s certainly true for some games but it’s completely false for others. Just look at TR’s 6870/6850 review. In most games 6870/6850 don’t even average 60FPS at 1080p. Admittedly TR uses games that are pretty demanding on the GPU for their tests, but to say that NO games can take advantage of this hardware is somewhat silly. The numbers just don’t back it up.

          While 30-40FPS may be “good enough” depending on the game, a constant 60FPS+ is always better, and in online FPSs it’s crucial. My Kills/Death in BC2 went up a lot since going from a HD4830 to this GTX460 (and I’m still not even at 60FPS).

      • MadManOriginal
      • 9 years ago

      In other news, technology advances and becomes cheaper, specifically higher resolution monitors. (Also remember the price fixing by panel makers? That’s got to play a significant part in cheaper higher resolution panels.) The 8800GT is still a solid card for older games or lower resolutions and settings but it’s clearly been surpassed now.

      • paulWTAMU
      • 9 years ago

      the 460 GTX I bought is doing much better at Civ than my 8800GT.

      That said, the fact it’s a strategy game that benefited froma GPU leaves me puzzled.

    • clone
    • 9 years ago

    I just noticed HD 5850’s are selling for $199.99 at NCIX.com after MIR

    so now it’s down to a 460gtx 1gb or an HD 5850 I’ll have to see how the HD 5850 overclocks and if positive I’ll got that route…… it’ll have to go high enough though because 460’s are cheap….. OK NM 460 GTX’s aren’t that cheap it’s only the 768 model that is cheap and it doesn’t do well at high res, if I wasn’t using 1920 X 1200 I’d consider one but now it’s off the list.

    looks like I’m getting an HD 5850.

      • sweatshopking
      • 9 years ago

      it’s a good card. it isn’t a super OC’er though.

        • hapyman
        • 9 years ago

        Good card?!?! pfffft… Nvidia is the king overclocker here. Don’t waste your time with ATI and their measly 4% factory overclocks.

        Sorry couldn’t help it. You let me down SSK, I had to do it for you.

          • clone
          • 9 years ago

          even if the HD 5850 doesn’t clock that well the price and performance are where they should be.

          I have to wait 2 weeks for the coin but if I was going to spend it today it’d be an HD 5850 1gb.

          the GTX 460 768 just can’t handle high res and the 1gb’s aren’t a deal, they are just competitive when overclocked, I care nothing about the cards numbers, Mhz schmhz, I take no pride or interest in the absolute number achieved, stock or overclocked… the performance numbers I care about.

          as mentioned I’ve got a cppl weeks to gloss over the reviews and I will to see what’s up but at $200 the HD 5850 seems like the deal IMHO.

            • Chrispy_
            • 9 years ago

            The 768 will be your best choice if you plan on sticking to 1080p or lower resolutions.

            Right now, there are better deals on the 768, it offers better performance per dollar at mainstream resolutions and it seems to overclock higher.

            Sure, there’s a big caveat, but who really expects great gaming results at super-high AA and AF when playing at 2560×1200? When your displays cost three times more than your graphics card, you need to address that balance, not debate 1GB or 768MB.

            Update:
            Newegg, 14/11/2010, best prices including MIR:
            $129.99 – cheapest GTX 460 768
            $189.99 – cheapest GTX 460 1024
            $199.99 – cheapest 5850

            The performance per dollar of the 768 is waaaaaay higher up to 1080p resolutions. Your US pricing is even crazier than in Europe!

            • clone
            • 9 years ago

            Canadian here….. not U.S. our prices are quite as good, at $130 I’d have already bought one.

            they are $170 here and a little close to the HD 5850…. it’s splitting hairs to be sure but while the 768mb is good today up to 1080p it’s only just and in many cases not as good as a 1gb model.

            that hurts it’s value.

            I it’d be a no brainer if the 1gb 460 was $170 but it’s not.

            anything I can get for under $200.00 after tax is worth consideration and the 460 is the bomb killing the HD 5830 entirely….. going to wait a cppl weeks.

          • sweatshopking
          • 9 years ago

          my friend, if the torch falters somebody should pick it up. I’ll try harder next time. It’s all sucks from here out!

    • beck2448
    • 9 years ago

    The 6000 series from AMD seems to be much ado about nothing. Not even as good as a 5870? Weak tesselation still. Hope the 6890 brings more to the table.

      • xastware
      • 9 years ago

      ofc it’s same level of tessellation as HD5800 series when they share same engine, just now is cut off n some parts to reach higher clocks while preserving “modestly” high 150W TDP.

      HD6800 series in relation to overpriced HD5800 is just as Radeon 9000 was to buggy and low available R8500. And still too high recommended MSRP at launch which wont come down during ts moderately long shelf life.

    • bwcbiz
    • 9 years ago

    I think nVidia is suffering a price differential for similarly performing cards because of the issues they had a few years ago with their cards overheating and failing due to what was described as bad thermal packaging. AMD is still getting a “quality premium” on their boards even though nVidia’s earlier troubles don’t apply to their newer boards.

      • Silus
      • 9 years ago

      The chip failures were related with mobile chips, not desktop chips.

        • xastware
        • 9 years ago

        nVidia chip failures are not related to /[<"notebook chips only"<]/ but are closely related to cooling down cycles that on notebooks came out more occasionally than on desktop parts which usually work for some time and being power off. So in worst case it's around 1000cy in std 2yrs for desktop parts but with laptops you usually hibernate/stdby to save battery more periodically and ~1000 off/on cycles you could even reach for less than 6 month or even for less than 4 month period. nvdias 80/65nm chips also had problems with nv designed pcb where pads broke off from pcb, even when cards weren't oced and use factory ~150W TDP.

        • YeuEmMaiMai
        • 9 years ago

        The forums were full of people with 8XXX cards that were not living long as well. It was more pronounced on portable stuff due to higher termal cycles….(ie laptops are turned on and off more often)..

    • Disco
    • 9 years ago

    I think that the Canadian prices should be considered to be MSRP. We always pay more than the $US MSRP, and to be within $10 CDN is about at close as I’ve ever seen. So NCIX is doing a nice job refusing to price gouge.

    There’s a lot of hate here for AMD and the pricing, but I wonder how much control AMD has over this. Especially with this first batch of cards. AMD sold the chips to the board makers month(s?) ago for a certain price that would end up with final boards being available for the suggested MSRP. If the board makers and the retailers in particular raise the prices after gauging the demand for their product, how is AMD to blame? In the end, you are getting a 6870 for $60 cheaper than I paid for my 5850 only 8 months ago (better performance and quieter – I HATE AMD those price gougers!). I think it’s a pretty good deal. Stop the whining!

    • l33t-g4m3r
    • 9 years ago

    The prices are because of market demand, so just buy something else.
    I recently bought a 470 for $207 after MIR.

    Not that I’m enjoying it. I actually don’t like using it, despite it being faster.
    Video playback shows more artifacts, older games are less compatible, and games like Overlord won’t even run.
    I was just about to beat Overlord when I upgraded, and now it won’t run on this nvidia card, just crashes. Pisses me off.
    If anybody knows of a fix, let me know.

      • sweatshopking
      • 9 years ago

      try new drivers? that is an unusual complaint. Overlord should DEFINITELY run on that card.

        • l33t-g4m3r
        • 9 years ago

        It’s a well known problem all over the forums, and I’m using the latest driver.
        Global agenda also doesn’t work. The inventory screen is completely invisible. POS Drivers.

    • ronch
    • 9 years ago

    Bottomline is, anyone who has an advantage will use it for gain. Reminds me of TigerDirect. I was eying a certain Toshiba laptop they were selling which looked like a good deal for $599. When it sold well and stocks were few they raised the price to around $750. WTF. Forget it.

    • slaimus
    • 9 years ago

    I think this is purely retail price gouging. You can check newegg inventory by changing the quantity to 999 and see what number it reduces it down to. There are plenty of them in stock.

    • anotherengineer
    • 9 years ago

    So my question is, would this be AMD’s desicion or e-tailers just getting greedy????

    • south side sammy
    • 9 years ago

    The same thing happened with the 5850. I paid $20 over the MSRP of $259. It steadily climbed from there. That’s one of the reasons I never cross fired those cards. They can say it’s because of excessive demand or whatever. Me, I say it’s greed, nothing else. I* like the results I always got from the green team anyways so my next purchase with be NVIDIA….. and I’ll take the “excessive” heat in my system for better quality gaming any day.

      • Fighterpilot
      • 9 years ago

      So you paid $259 for one of the best video cards of the last few years retailing for over $400 less than the 8800GTX Ultra which it destroyed in basically every possible metric….hard times indeed…enjoy your next NVidia card, I’m sure it will be a bargain.

    • Silus
    • 9 years ago

    LOL, AMD was complaining that NVIDIA’s price cuts on GTX 460 cards were temporary, yet they are the ones having problems in keeping the prices for their new products.

    Hilarious!

      • HighTech4US
      • 9 years ago

      Actually AMD was complaining to everyone that nVidia’s price cuts were temporary and were going to rise on November 14.

      And now it is AMD that is raising prices.

      Looks like typical AMD behavior

      #1 Tell all that they are saintly and nVidia is evil
      #2 Introduce new products with a certain MSRP
      #3 Tell all that nVidia is unfairly reducing prices and those prices are temporary
      #4 Get decent reviews based on release day prices
      #5 Wait a few weeks, silently raise prices

      I’m still awed in those who blindly believe that AMD is saintly.

      I’m glad to see Tech Report is calling them out.

      I wish other sites would do the same.

      And how about updating those reviews of the 6800 series with the current prices from AMD and nVidia. Maybe the conclusions would change.

        • Silus
        • 9 years ago

        That’s what I said…They were complaining…actually scratch that, whining about NVIDIA only keeping those prices low for a short amount of time, yet they are the ones not keeping their cards at their proper prices, while NVIDIA’s are actually lower on some occasions.

        And that is just too funny!

        • NeelyCam
        • 9 years ago

        Yeah, makes me wonder what will happen to Llano/Bulldozer prices if they really perform as AMD fans are hoping them to…

        Everybody still thinks AMD CPUs are gonna stay dirt cheap… in for a surprise, eh?

          • xastware
          • 9 years ago

          Well if Llano came out this quarter as previously announced it could be priced ~150-180$ but if its real availablity will be only Q3, means AUg2011, as now announced it would be such a great deal. Even if its stock 480SP(EG) @500MHz and 3GHz CPU would have around 60W TDP and could be OCed to 4GHz/1000MHz w/100W TDP still it would be high price to pay in Aug2011. More far prce would be then 119$ CPU + 130$ board and we all now how 130$ boards have /[<"decent components"<]/ and /[<"best chipset option"<]/ that cames along. And somehow, if it come out as promised Llano @32nm should pack that stock speeds into 100W TDP. Adittionally it's nowhere near great to have hd3870-hd5550 gpu power paired w/ old x4 640 at prices higher than 100$. But we'll see. I highly doubt Llano will be priced for less than 149USD.

        • khands
        • 9 years ago

        Biggest issue is the partners, MSRP is the same because AMD hasn’t raised the bar, their partners are and there’s really nothing they can do about it.

      • clone
      • 9 years ago

      I agree that was total BS, that they would whine when Nvidia decided to compete on price like AMD did when they released the HD 4850 and HD 4870’s several hundreds of dollars cheaper than Nvidia……

      lost a lot of respect for AMD when they made that comment.

      both companies are despicable and while AMD is bad, from a shoddy business practice standpoint Nvidia has it all covered, from blacklisting websites, to lying about interconnectivity GPU combinations that can and cannot take advantage of PhysX, to encouraging developers to write code that disables features on the competitions cards, to encouraging developers behind the scenes to use outdated X87 code in order to make competing solutions look bad.

      yeah AMD raised it’s prices, I don’t like it but what I really hated was that they complained when Nvidia didn’t…. is that a shoddy practice, no, is it even remotely evil in some way?… no, stupid yes, evil? no.

      but as mentioned both companies have their flaws, morally Nvidia is the worse of the two.

      P.S. someone mentioned that this circumstance is “hilarious”… “hilarious” in a canned laughter on a sitcom maybe, hypocritical sure, funny….. well it is ironic but not really funny.

        • SiliconSlick
        • 9 years ago

        Thanks for spreading more conspiracy theory lies. I guess it doesn’t matter what price a 5850 is, or how many reviews you scout around over the next few weeks, you’re getting one brand, and it’s ati, period.
        Just come out of the closet and tell it like it is, would ya please.
        After hearing that long list of long ago refuted bs pr Huddy spiels, it’s clear you’re another activist.
        Performance doesn’t matter, added features don’t matter, one thing matters – RED.

          • clone
          • 9 years ago

          no conspiracy theories it’s what Nvidia does on a daily basis…. .business as usual.

          no theory, reality.

          I really didn’t want to spend $200.00, I had gotten interested when I heard that Nvidia had dropped 460 GTX prices to $150 but they have since gone up and it`s only the 768mb models which aren`t suitable, I was surprised to see HD 5850 down to $199.99 after MIR but the MIR is $30 which is enough of a reason to not buy one. (no interest in MIR`s and at $30 if I don`t get it I`m actually losing a notable to me sum of coin)

          if HD 5850’s come down to a real $209.99 or less before MIR then yep it’ll be AMD this round.

          if Nvidia drops 1gb 460 GTX’s to $170.00 before MIR then it’ll be Nvidia.

          you are correct though if you list the criteria like this:

          1: performance
          2: price
          3: noise level
          4: warranty
          5: required connectors (my current psu has just the one 6 pin and would prefer not to upgrade)
          6: peak power consumption
          7: past experience with the companies in question (have owned 20+ Nvidia graphics cards & about 25 ATI / AMD’s)
          8: companies business practices and whether or not they offend me…..

          understand this list is like an ingredients list where the first 3 matter and the rest don’t.

          if all things are equal in the first 7 criteria then yes I would have to say openly I would go AMD over Nvidia because AMD is the lessir of 2 evils….. AMD never competes on price unless it absolutely has to while Nvidia tries everything it can above the table, on the table and under the table to restrict competition in the market.

          p.s. Nvidia never competes on price unless it absolutely has to… remember the $900 8800 GTX Ultra`s.

            • SiliconSlick
            • 9 years ago

            All conspiracy theories and RETARDED notions and statements.
            Here’s a retarded statement:
            ” p.s. Nvidia never competes on price unless it absolutely has to… remember the $900 8800 GTX Ultra`s. ”

            Let’s face it, when it doesn’t have to it can’t, but it always does anyway !
            Apparently a communist mindset can’t grasp that.

            ” if all things are equal in the first 7 criteria then yes I would have to say openly I would go AMD”
            ROFLMAO – nice try, no buy.

            Here’s another whopper:
            ” (have owned 20+ Nvidia graphics cards & about 25 ATI / AMD’s) ”

            Yet right now, you’re looking to upgrade what ? So you’ve been using and upgrading how many systems for how long ? LOL

            • flip-mode
            • 9 years ago

            Hey kid, everyone at this site is a liar. Maybe you best go to an honest place.

            • SiliconSlick
            • 9 years ago

            Nice of you to say flip-mode, but what you say is TRUE FOR YOU.

            As you just got HAMMERED with the “late release” of 6990 6970 I told you was coming as you screamed at me went wildly off the deep end shrieking it’s all rumors.

            I saw your post in the 580 thread AFTER I gave you the link, so I KNOW you saw it. Way to go, you attacked some other poster with your “ad hominem” whine. Now, I’m sure you’ll ride me since you’ve been humiliated for attacking me – after screaming I was wrong, turns out I wasn’t. And it came very fast. I’m sure you want me “gone” so you can continue to whatever.

            No, plenty here who aren’t red fans, but I found out just this morning, you are. Yeah, imagine that.

        • SiliconSlick
        • 9 years ago

        I’ll tell you what’s despicable. Listening to you crazed fanboys who have a giant chip on your shoulders for the very entities that supply us with our fave gaming hardware.

        Really, I am SICK SICK SICK of hearing all you social justice activists whining about every little thing you can bake up as some moral imperative for the card maker…

        Worse yet, I see far more often than not a complete lack of morals when a lot of you bake up your social justice whines and depressing harangues against the entities we all endorse and enjoy our gaming because of their existence.

        What would be nice is NOT HEARING the constant droning on like a communist about this or that “bad behavior” from you people EVERY SINGLE THREAD THERE IS ON THE ENTIRE INTERNET !

        You think you people could just CAN IT ?
        No, of course not. God I’m sick of it.

          • clone
          • 9 years ago

          you`ve never heard a word, also given no one has pushed your face into the screen and forced you to read, neither has anyone grabbed your hands and forced you to respond.

          given these realities therapy may be in order…. at the minimum medication given you are so admittedly sick.

      • WaltC
      • 9 years ago

      Guy, don’t you understand that AMD isn’t setting these prices? It’s AMD resellers/OEMs who are setting them, and they are setting them in response to demand. The higher the demand, the higher the price–the lower the demand, the lower the price. Pretty simple.

        • SiliconSlick
        • 9 years ago

        Wow WaltC, I guess that’s why the nvidia 8800GTX ulti was $800.00+ for so long and $900 when clone guy got all pissed off about it, and those ati whiners had it all wrong blaming NVidia, it was really high demand.
        Gosh, thanks for the economic lesson. I’d bet #39 guy Silus first learned it from you too…
        Hey, uhh, that’s why NVidia is more expensive all the time, huh, high demand !
        Thanks walty guy ! 🙂
        Oh, you didn’t happen to skip the supply side of supply and demand school did ya? Aww, no, who could think that way about good ol’ WaltC.
        Thanks buddy, now we all know why NVidia is always said to be higher priced it’s in so much demand, and no one really wants the crappy ati cards so low price eva’
        Thanks buddy !
        Yer so cool. 🙂

          • Waco
          • 9 years ago

          When nVidia sets the MSRP at $799.99…yeah, that would be nVidia’s doing.

          EDIT: Sorry, it was set at $829.99. Silly me.

            • SiliconSlick
            • 9 years ago

            Oh that’s demand, ask WaltC, he was “schooling Silus” on that.

    • can-a-tuna
    • 9 years ago

    What seems to be the problem? HD6850 destroys 768MB geforce and is on par with the 1G version which has very similar price range. I this some kind of campaign to stop buying AMD cards? Based on your reviews you seem to favor nvidia nowadays and do as they say (order).

      • Silus
      • 9 years ago

      Maybe you should check again. The EVGA FTW edition, which is now $10 cheaper AND has a free game, beats the now overpriced HD 6870.

      Only you would buy the HD 6870 now 🙂

        • Krogoth
        • 9 years ago

        …..and will start to fail at its “OC’ed” speeds after a year or so of use. You are forced to revert back to “stock speed”. So much for spending more $$$$ on epenis points.

          • HurgyMcGurgyGurg
          • 9 years ago

          Except it has a two year warranty.

          If you’re buying graphics cards in the $250 range that’s probably around your upgrade time. It’s a decision you’re free to make.

          This is speaking as a person who only buys AMD but freely admits it’s illogical.

            • Krogoth
            • 9 years ago

            Assuming that vendor still has stock of those “limited edition, EXTREME 1337 OC” unit. You will most likely end up with a stock unit as a substitute.

          • PenGun
          • 9 years ago

          You know nothing about chips and the speeds they run at apparently.

          So an OC’d chip will fail over time then will need to be clocked back. No. Not how this works.

            • Krogoth
            • 9 years ago

            You are forced to revert back to stock speed, because the factory OC speed no longer is stable. (BSODs, CTD, texture and screen corruption).

            Modern GPUs at stock are already at the bleeding edge. They will fail sooner if they get push any harder. I have read and heard too many horror stories from long-term GPU overclocking. The bottom line, it is not worth it if you want to get some life of the card. The extra epenis points isn’t worth it.

      • sschaem
      • 9 years ago

      The 460 768meg is faster then the 1gig 6850 in a bunch of games.
      How can the 6850 destroy the 460 768meg when its slower in some games?
      The 6870 do ‘destroy’ a 460 678 meg… But a $260 nvidia card ‘destroy’ the 6870.

      BTW, I got my EVGA for $149 with HAWK2 and free shipping no tax.
      I couldn’t find a 6850 (and for the game I play it would be slower) for less then $209, no games.
      A 6850 made absolution no sense …
      (This card drive a 1680×1050 display)

      I have another system. If the price is right I will get a high end card, 6970 or GTX580

      • kc77
      • 9 years ago

      In addition AMD wasn’t totally wrong. Take a look at 580 prices. They are at $570 which is $70 over launch prices days after launch. Prices for the 470 are starting to climb and so is the 480 from the lows it experienced only weeks ago. Bottom line is that Nvidia has to make money / is controlled by the same market forces as well. There’s no magic dust that can make you sell your whole range of cards at a discount for very long. It has to be made up somewhere.

        • HighTech4US
        • 9 years ago

        GTX 580 is currently priced (and in stock) for $499.99 (Galaxy).

        §[<http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&Description=gtx%20580&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=50<]§ Six other GTX 580's are in stock and priced between $510 and $530. You are wrong about that $570 price. Try doing a simple search before posting prices. That way you won't be caught posting erogenous prices.

          • kc77
          • 9 years ago

          Dude that was the price I saw this morning. It was $569. Now you can try and say that prices aren’t fluctuating… but the last time I checked 530 was higher than 499 which was the launch price. Like it or not their prices ARE fluctuating and are not staying at their launch prices.

          Sorry to ruin your thunder but THAT was the point I was making. I’m even starting to see 460 prices slowly tick upward The whole point of this article was trying to point out that a card that launches a week ago would or wouldn’t have prices that fluctuated.

          Personally I think that’s rather retarded. As a manufacturer runs out of cards they will adjust prices… likely upward. ALL of them do it. I really don’t care what camp it is.

          • Voldenuit
          • 9 years ago

          Hehe erogenous prices. 😉

    • Hirokuzu
    • 9 years ago

    And suddenly two 6870s in Xfire are more similar in price to a GTX580…
    Hope a that there’s a GTX560 (GF114?) part with 384+ cores coming out soon… We’re in need of a price war down here!

      • HighTech4US
      • 9 years ago

      The GTX560 is ready and in inventory but won’t be released until Q1 2011.

      §[<http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20835-geforce-gtx-560-comes-next-year-has-384-shaders<]§ There will be a GTX570 very soon though. My understanding is that it would have been next week if Cayman was released on the 22nd as initially promised. Nvidia may now move the release to early December as Cayman has now been delayed until Dec 13th. §[<http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20814-geforce-gtx-570-comes-soon<]§

        • xastware
        • 9 years ago

        You simply must love fud
        “Also the complete GF104 core contains 64 texture address units and 512 texture filtering units”

        only 512TMUs 😆

          • HighTech4US
          • 9 years ago

          The GTX560 is GF114 not GF104

            • JustAnEngineer
            • 9 years ago

            Not that the GPU code names matter much, but isn’t the slightly-revised GF100 called the GF110?

            • Meadows
            • 9 years ago

            No, that would be the GF104.

    • SomeOtherGeek
    • 9 years ago

    No, no, no…! You all have it wrong! It was because ATi got scared of the GTX580 beating the pants of the 6xxx, so they kept the price low and then found out that the 580 is just a little be faster so they jacked the prices.

    /conspiracy theory mode off

    • balzi
    • 9 years ago

    ahh… you fanboys and your arguments. You make me laugh! teeheehee!!
    keep it up, don’t let me distract you!!

    • YeuEmMaiMai
    • 9 years ago

    demand has to ve really good for those cards especially considering their crossfire performance

    • phez
    • 9 years ago

    AMD keeps touting how many DX11-class gpus they ship. Since when does high supply = high price?

      • JustAnEngineer
      • 9 years ago

      Price is a function of supply *[

        • Ryu Connor
        • 9 years ago

        He does have a point. The high price being passed on to the consumers is not from AMD, but from the vendors who see an opportunity to widen their margins. AMD’s ASP hasn’t changed.

        AMD meanwhile is losing out on money. Not from higher costs, but in lost opportunity. High demand you can’t meet is not a solid business strategy in the silicon industry. Their business model is really no different from Intel. Which means the strategy is pretty simple: volume, volume, and volume. Constrained supplies != volume.

        AMD also doesn’t exist as the sole source for video cards. The 460 and 470 represent strong competition and this situation is only improving their appeal. This isn’t like the days where the 5850 was the only game in town. They can’t just leave the ASP high, ignore the vendors, and fail to meet demand in the face of competition. Not that failing to meet demand didn’t cost them money then.

        This situation is also an antithesis to any further cut throat competition between our favorite duoploy. AMD lowering prices won’t make it to the consumer, they still wouldn’t meet demand, and NVIDIA has no reason to respond if you can’t get the product.

        AMD needs to get in gear and if the issue is due to a part from a specific vendor (versus fab issues) then they’d best get their eggs out of that single basket.

          • esterhasz
          • 9 years ago

          I completely agree – this is not a good place for AMD to be in. One element of the equation may be that NV still has the better standing with TMSC – especially with a GF bulk process looming at the horizon – and can reserve higher volume. Although if you look at last month’s steam HW survey, NV’s DX11 catchup is a bit slower than I expected, so AMD does ship quite a lot of cards…

    • HisDivineShadow
    • 9 years ago

    Hahaha

    Just like last time. JUST LIKE IT. They announce it at one MSRP, but vendors all go to a much higher one. Now I’m waiting on AMD to officially raise the MSRP citing “demand.” Then when demand peters off, they’ll leave the MSRP at the higher amount and shrug their shoulders and try to use a shiny object to cast a reflection on the ground to get all the press chasing that “new card” that’s coming rather than look back at those now “old cards” that are all priced higher than the reviews were based around them being.

    So once the MSRP is raised, do you think any reviews will be updated to reflect the higher price points? I don’t think any reviews were updated when it happened to the 58xx series…

      • khands
      • 9 years ago

      I don’t believe they ever actually did raise MSRP of the 5800 cards, just the vendors/partners raised their price.

    • allston232
    • 9 years ago

    the GTX460 768MB is as low as $115 AR. Here: §[<http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2350011<]§

      • JustAnEngineer
      • 9 years ago

      Your math is flawed.

      $178 – 17 code – 20 MIR = $141, at best. If you don’t get the rebate, it’s $161, which is pretty much the regular price for the GeForce GTX 460 768 MB

        • xastware
        • 9 years ago

        You get it right?

        For the card price you also get whether you want it or not 😉
        r[

    • flip-mode
    • 9 years ago

    BUT SCOTT!!! YOU SHOULD NEVER INCLUDE NVIDIA FOC CARDS BECAUSE PRICE AND AVAILABILITY ARE SO UNCERTAIN!!!!!!! YOU BAD MAN!!!!!

    Apparently not as uncertain as the price an availability of stock clocked Radeons.

    For what it’s worth, Fudzilla was running a story today about Radeon 6000 production suffering due to component shortages, specifically some component manufactured by Texas Instruments. So this may or may not have anything to due with things.

    • just brew it!
    • 9 years ago

    Heh… I’m still running a 7200 GS (home) and a 3650 HD (work). How many years behind the curve is that? I get to miss out on all the GPU drama!

      • OneArmedScissor
      • 9 years ago

      I have a 6600GT in mine that I put back in after I tried a 9600GT and found no use for it. I wish I’d bought a smaller board with integrated graphics. 🙁

        • just brew it!
        • 9 years ago

        In my case, the only reason I’m not using the IGP on my mobo is that I’ve got dual monitors. Give me a mobo with dual onboard DVI and I’d probably skip the discrete card entirely…

          • MadManOriginal
          • 9 years ago

          Can’t some of the later IGPs do dual digital output? I doubt you’ll find two actual DVI connectors but DVI+HDMI is common and HDMI-DVI cables are cheap enough.

            • insulin_junkie72
            • 9 years ago

            Not on the AMD side. Intel, yes.

    • Fighterpilot
    • 9 years ago

    Yeah that annoying supply and demand equation is a bitch huh….

    • plasticplate
    • 9 years ago

    Disappointing to say the least. After rooting for AMD for the last three years to be competitive again, i think i should go root for Nvidia now (not that its goin to make a huge difference, but i’m the tech support for my friends and relatives and thats atleast 20-30 Nvidia GPU’s instead of AMD). All this time while cheering for the underdog, we forget that they r run by businessmen too and that they don’t have any sense of ethics whatsoever. Their products are doing well now and so they go back to b0ning the same consumers who bought AMD gpu’s for the last 3-5 years. Then again I might probably do the same.

      • OneArmedScissor
      • 9 years ago

      So the prices go up a few dollars at /[

        • hp9000
        • 9 years ago

        A few dollars higher? Look at this one:

        §[<http://www.amazon.ca/Radeon-Hd6850-Ddr5-Hdmi-775mhz/dp/B0047ZH7FU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1289525092&sr=1-2<]§ I was actually kidding. I think. At least there's free shipping :-)

          • OneArmedScissor
          • 9 years ago

          LOL! My favorite part is the, “Usually ships within 4 to 7 weeks.”

            • plasticplate
            • 9 years ago

            Correct me if i am wrong: The 5850 was supposed to retail for around 260-270 bucks, but for the majority of its lifespan, its avg. pricing was close to 320 bucks. Thats not a ‘few’ dollars. Same thing with 5870 (Obscenely overpriced for a LONG time).Maybe you r extremely rich and 50-60 bucks don’t mean anything for ya, but i’m talking about normal people like myself. The reason i am worried is, the avg. price for the 6870 is already about 25$ more than the suggested retail. Two generations in a row? Like i said, i might do the same thing, but i feel a lil sad because i bought ATI cards during the time they were underdogs (2900, 3870 and 4890 which i currently own) and so i feel a bit let down that they are doing this now.

            • Voldenuit
            • 9 years ago

            Well there is certainly lots of blame that can be shifted around for this. If TSMC (or some other critical supplier) can’t provide the volume AMD needs to move to its AIB partners, then the AIB partners feel the need to raise their ASP vs MSRP to keep their bottom line happy. So even if AMD keeps prices the same to its AIBs (which we don’t know happened, I’m just illustrating a ‘what if’ scenario), the fact that they have fewer cards to sell means that they have to raise margins on each card they sell.

            nvidia seems to have a tighter rein on its AIB partner prices. This also has its good and bad points – as I’m sure XFX will attest to.

            Hopefully, we won’t see another repeat of the 5800 price gouging. I don’t care who’s to blame, but as a consumer, I refuse to pay $50-100 more than MSRP for a card 10 months after it launched.

            • HighTech4US
            • 9 years ago

            Use your purchasing power to complain.

            Buy the $229.99 ($10 rebate is available) EVGA 01G-P3-1377-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) FTW 1GB and get the the FREE HAWX 2 game.

            This card is $30 cheaper than the 6870 and very powerful.

            • flip-mode
            • 9 years ago

            The problem is that I’m in the middle of using my purchasing power to complain about Nvidia trying to proprietize PC gaming.

            The other problem is that AMD has nothing to do with these price increases. Sellers are raising prices, and probably because vendors are raising prices, and probably because there is some difficulty that is constraining supply.

            • Silus
            • 9 years ago

            How exactly is NVIDIA proprietizing PC gaming ?

            • poulpy
            • 9 years ago

            Probably referring to their stupid and stubborn disabling of PhysX HW acceleration if a non nVidia GPU is present in the system and their piss poor CPU implementation providing abysmal performance..

            I don’t see where they’re going with that though, they will never impose PhysX to the mass market this way and therefore it won’t be anything more than pointless dust/flags waving in the wind in a handful of games.

            Some generic physics engine with good vendor agnostic GPU implementation and decent CPU fall-back and will eventually take the whole market and their precious acquisition be worth nothing IMO.

            • SiliconSlick
            • 9 years ago

            If they didn’t the red fan freaks and ATI would sue the ever loving crap out of them.

            • Voldenuit
            • 9 years ago

            PhysX, CUDA, TWIMTBP, SLI.

            They have a history of not playing nice with competitors, and will do things like outlawing PhysX if the primary GPU is ATI or “persuading” developers to turn off AA on ATI cards. All of which doesn’t really help them – they lose out on sales of secondary GPUs to ATI owners and draw a lot of ill will from gamers who are screwed by their policies.

            That said, I’m seriously considering a green GPU for my next round because of AMD’s price hikes. At the end of the day, cents make more sense than ideology.

            • flip-mode
            • 9 years ago

            Heh, I forgot about the SLI nonsense.

            FWIW, if I was in the market for a GPU right now it would be hard to resist getting a GTX 460 factory overclocked model – even a 767 MB card would do fine for me since I’m at 1600×1200. But the 6850 also seems like a good buy at MSRP and then overclock it myself since, well, have you heard how I feel about factory overclocks on Radeons…

            The good news is that at least some Radeons are still available at MSRP.

            • kamikaziechameleon
            • 9 years ago

            People want to buy the better tech in a 6870 but these volitile prices really make nvidia and their superior drivers look quite promising.

            • flip-mode
            • 9 years ago

            I don’t buy into the “superior drivers” assertion, but yeah, Nvidia offers better value right now with the GTX 460.

            • Krogoth
            • 9 years ago

            “Superior drivers” is a perpentualing myth that was once held some salt. These days, they are about equal in terms of features, useability, stability. They each have their own stupid, little issues which usually happen on bleeding edge platforms. The fanboys on both camps make mountains out of them.

            Nvidia drivers were clearly better back 10 years ago, when ATI was still in Rage era. ATI managed to catch-up since success of 9700PRO + Catalyst driver program.

            • TO11MTM
            • 9 years ago

            Except for all the little stuff that still makes me hate ATI Drivers.

            I cannot properly update the drivers on my Radeon at Work. It’s a 4xxx series so it’s not like it is an ancient card.

            Also stopped using ATI discreet cards at home after the aggrivation I endured with my 2600XT. Back at that time (I don’t know if this still happens now, frankly I don’t care enough to check,) But if I used the HDMI output on that card, it could only output 1280x720p or 1920×1080. This is kinda crappy when you want to run a 1366×768 panel. Either you deal with 1280×720 and lose pixels, or run 1366×768 and watch it upscale your stuff to 1920x1080i (WHY? WHY? WHY?)

            • poulpy
            • 9 years ago

            Had similar problem with my 6800 and my flat panel tv back in the days.
            Wasn’t Nvidia’s fault but the way the tv id’ed itself through HDMI (i.e. standard tv resolution not total panel resolution).
            Got my pixels back with HDMI-VGA cable.

            • Krogoth
            • 9 years ago

            I never had any real difficultly updating any video card driver unless it was a beta release.

            The key is to make sure you properly uninstall the old drivers before loading up the new ones. Both Nvidia and AMD have build-in uninstallation tools for their respective suites.

            It sounds like your issue has to do with HDMI standard. The are SOL if your mointor only has HDMI ports. You only hope is that it least has a VGA port or better yet, a DVI-D port.

            • SiliconSlick
            • 9 years ago

            NVidia only on the very recent release has any tool for uninstall.
            ATI however has had a MONSTRUOUS demon on installers left in the add remove programs area for a LONG TIME.

            Often, ATI’s uninstaller reinstaller FAILS, even with multiple reboots, and AMD admits this on their website.
            With ATI you are almost required to UNINSTALL first, although it is possible to get away with not doing so. Not always that’s for sure.

            NVIDIA on the other hand has recommended for some time to just install right over the top, PERIOD.

            Of course if you had actually ever used an nvidia card in your entire life, you’d know that.

            Likewise, when it comes to ATI you’d be deeply familiar with the flaws in the ATI install manager.

            Tom’s has a nice big article on CRACKING that screwed up ATI software install manager. I suggest you familiarize yourself with editing the cfg,

            • MrBojangles
            • 9 years ago

            I’ve been using ati cards for the last 2 years.I update every single month with new driver release, and have never once needed to do a full uninstall then reinstall.90% of time i don’t even have to do a single reboot.So were your getting these required multiple reboots is a complete mystery to me.Not 100% sure what exactly it is you’ve been smoking, but it has Clearly made you either, delusional or a perpetual liar one of zee two.

            • SiliconSlick
            • 9 years ago

            Thanks for being the perfect red fanboy. One couldn’t expect any less.
            W7 *rolls eyes

            • MrBojangles
            • 9 years ago

            lol try again my personal gpu upgrade path fx5500-geforce6600-geforce7600-geforce7900 gt-geforce 8800gts 312mb-geforce9600gt-hd 4870- sold it off for a 5770., but i do realize i’m wasting my “breath” here.Not being restricted to only buying one brand of gpu, or just living here in reality. Were problems with pc parts i don’t like, don’t just magically appear because i would like them to.Isn’t exactly concepts you would understand.

            • SiliconSlick
            • 9 years ago

            Apparently the issue is lost on you. You’re wasting your breath, because you replied with the notion that what happens with ATI drivers doesn’t because you claim that for 2 years it hasn’t happened to you.

            That’s perfect RED FANBOY. Then, because you are just that THICK, you accuse me of doing drugs.

            Like I said, it’s not my fault so many people are fools. You in fact were a perfect little red rooster fanboy, claimed you’ve never had a problem, and because of that – called me your idiot names.

            It’s not I – that doesn’t get it feller.
            You also apparently missed the Windows 7 reference, and we’re not sentient enough to either acknowledge or confirm.

            Shows me you don’t know enough to even respond.

            So far we have mr. 46 videocards personally owned and conveniently split, mr flip who just got hammered in 580 thread for claiming I was the fanboy and the 6900 release wasn’t delayed till he says so, and now you – and your perfect system, and you don’t know what I’m smoking ?
            ROFLMAO

            • TO11MTM
            • 9 years ago

            Maybe… I just know the NVIDIA Cards recognized the resolutions correctly, and the even more odd thing was the ATI Card Recognized the top resolution correctly, it just dithered it.

            • SiliconSlick
            • 9 years ago

            Oh gee imagine that. But you buy into every anti NVidia conspiracy theory, whereas we have stark in your face evidence EVERYWHERE concerning the drivers problems with ati cards.
            Yeah, imagine that.

            • HighTech4US
            • 9 years ago

            So you would rather play dull boring console ports with no additional visual features that add to game play?

            Maybe if AMD got off their high horse and implemented a Physx equivalent API all could enjoy the benefits.

            But NO all AMD wants to do is bitch about Physx. Just like they are now bitching about too much tessellation.

            Well it’s your choice to pay more for an AMD 6870 that is less powerful and has less features that matter to game play than the GTX460 FTW. Doesn’t make sense to me but hey its you money to waste.

            • Fighterpilot
            • 9 years ago

            umm…Razor…or is it Jethro?
            Rage3D called…they want their resident NVidia troll back.

            • flip-mode
            • 9 years ago

            I’m just taking your advice to use purchasing power to send a message – and I find it far more upsetting that Nvidia is trying to proprietize PC gaming than it is that some brand new just launched Radeons are priced a few bucks over MSRP.

            • SiliconSlick
            • 9 years ago

            As you “send your message” AMDATI waddles in billions of debt and on the brink of threatening brankruptcy, while NVidia has a billion seven in the bank with zero debt.

            Send away fella. A message might come back to you some day soon.

            The message will be: ” My ati crashes and has this and that crappy thing going, and my broke lover ATI can’t pay for engineers to fix it “.

            The next message could easily be:
            ” AMD bankruptcy and restructuring causes too many of their few engineers to be let go.”

            Go for it – send your activist fight the man message buddy, but don’t expect me to buy even ONE SINGLE COMPLAINT you and your type issues about NVidia – as every single one is either an outright lie or half baked fruitcake fudge.

            example: Batman AA
            ” Eidos told us in an email conversation that the offer was made to AMD for them to send engineers to their studios and do the same work NVIDIA did for its own hardware, but AMD declined. ”
            §[<http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=791<]§ Send "your message", it is sent 100% IN VAIN.

            • SiliconSlick
            • 9 years ago

            Oh I see. Missed that raging red activist fanboy problem you’ve got. My condolences for your personal issues, one wishes you’d keep personal.

            • plasticplate
            • 9 years ago

            I probably might actually, I’m looking hard at the Gigabyte GTX470 for 25o bucks. Looks really nice at that price point….

            • SiliconSlick
            • 9 years ago

            Ok wait a minute. What “seems” to be NVidia’s “tighter regin on it’s partners” is the old ati fan blind spot AGAIN.

            AMDATI – ATI is freaking broke and burning up in debt – and if they can allow partners to scram that price to the sky, they’re going to do it. It makes ATI money ANY WAY.

            It’s a symbiotic relationship, and higher vendor prices means higher core price deals, price cut sharing, etc.

            I’ve had ENOUGH of AMDATI being left off the hook in every single case that comes along, when the exact opposite tactic is applied to NVidia.

            IT’S AMD /ATI’S FAULT IF THEY WANTED LOWER PRICES WE’D ALL HAVE THEM !

            • NeelyCam
            • 9 years ago

            If you can’t afford the higher-end, you buy lower-end.

            Supply/demand, and it’s not AMD’s job to give you presents – it’s AMD’s job to make money for their shareholders.

    • geekl33tgamer
    • 9 years ago

    Way to go AMD, I bet Nvida are loving this.

    Do you suppose AMD have raised the unit costs because of supply issues, or are e-tailers getting greedy on the margins?

    If you think it’s bad in the USA, don’t buy them here in England. Currenty:
    HIS ATI Radeon HD 6850, £142 (Approx $229)
    HIS ATI Radeon HD 6870, £190 ((Approx $306)

    And, these are the cheapest I found. 🙁

      • Xaser04
      • 9 years ago

      Remeber our prices automatically include VAT whereas the US may or may not include Sales tax depending on the state.

      Without VAT our prices are (rounded to nearest pound):

      6850 – £121 or $194 @ 1.605
      6870 – £162 or $259 @ 1.605

      These adjusted USD prices are similar to the US retail prices (and not far off the MSRP). The differences are most likley due to Retailers absorbing some of their own costs into the price to increase their margins.

    • clone
    • 9 years ago

    sounds like they are selling everything they build.

    it’s funny that their is talk that it’s a negative when cards are selling for more than the MSRP….. operative word being they are *[

      • khands
      • 9 years ago

      Pretty much, have to recommend the GTX’s at those prices.

    • Ryu Connor
    • 9 years ago

    So just like with the 5850 we see an inability to meet demand despite the claims that they had mastered the 40nm process and it was just NVIDIA that was retarded.

    Driver releases that go four hotfixes deep. Actively downplaying DX11 since they can’t compete on tesselation. Using naming/rebadging schemes similar to NVIDIA. Rumors that their next high end product will be a vapor release.

    It’s dark times for the Red Rebellion in their fight agaist the Green Empire. Has someone put Charlie on suicide watch yet?

      • jdaven
      • 9 years ago

      **snicker**

      • HighTech4US
      • 9 years ago

      Speaking of Charlie.

      Newegg is currently showing no less than 10 different GTX580’s in stock.

      Prices range (after instant 10% off code) from $495 to $522 for an overclocked (797mhz) version.

      So much for his paper watch with no availability until Feb 2011 drivel.

      And since he has been really silent lately maybe someone should check up on him.

        • Silus
        • 9 years ago

        Nah, let him be. The less he “writes”, the less FUD spreads out across the web.

      • Goty
      • 9 years ago

      You do realize that it is entirely possible that, since AMD, NVIDIA, and a handful of other companies are all sharing TSMC’s 40nm output that they really CAN’T produce enough chips even if yields are very good, right?

        • Ryu Connor
        • 9 years ago

        Aye, that’s one possibility too.

        It’s also probable that the rumor with regards to Texas Instrument not fufilling their orders is true.

        Regardless of the reason, not meeting the demand is a potential sale lost.

        Some people are seeing this story as representation that ATI is selling 68×0 series heavily. That’s not necessarily true either. It could be that demand is merely middling or perhaps even low, but the supply constraint is that serious.

        Lots of details needed that are missing.

          • Chrispy_
          • 9 years ago

          l[

          • Goty
          • 9 years ago

          I don’t think the component that is rumored to be in short supply is even used on the 6800 series, so I think TSMC would have to be the more likely culprit if there really is any sort of supply issue.

      • HighTech4US
      • 9 years ago

      Driver releases that go -[

    • sparkman
    • 9 years ago

    The big question then, is:

    Is the supply low, or, is the demand for AMD graphics off the charts?

    • bimmerlovere39
    • 9 years ago

    Not again… please, not again.

      • geekl33tgamer
      • 9 years ago

      I seccond that.

      • Meadows
      • 9 years ago

      Who cares, buy NVidia.

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