Tim Cook unveils the iPhone 4S—no iPhone 5 in sight

So much for all of those mockups and silicon case designs hinting at a teardrop-shaped iPhone 5 with a four-inch screen. Apple CEO Tim Cook indeed unveiled a new phone during his keynote at the Apple campus today, but the device was merely a souped-up version of the fourth-generation model—the iPhone 4S.

That’s not to say the iPhone 4S isn’t exciting. An A5 processor purportedly imbues it with twice the CPU performance and seven times the graphics performance of the iPhone 4. Both GSM and CDMA are supported, and the phone’s new wireless hardware is said to double download speeds. In spite of those improvements, battery life doesn’t seem to have suffered much, if at all. Apple says you’ll get an extra hour of 3G talk time (up to eight hours), although Wi-Fi browsing has fallen from ten to nine hours. As far as I can tell, other key run times are the same.

The iPhone 4S isn’t just faster. It also has a new, eight-megapixel camera with all kinds of improvements sure to please lazy photographers (or at least, those who don’t want to lug a proper camera around). Apple teased the new camera with a lot of numbers—numbers like "30% more sharpness," "73% more light," "33% faster capture," and "26% better auto white balance." The new camera supports 1080p video recording, image stabilization, and temporal noise reduction, so it’s not just good at stills.

Then there’s Siri. You might have noticed that most Android phones these days have pretty decent voice recognition built in. Siri is Apple’s answer to that, but it takes the concept a step further, allowing the folks to use natural language to get their phones to complete a cornucopia of different tasks. Users can send text messages, find out about the weather, locate businesses, set alarms, create calendar appointments, look up words in the dictionary, perform currency and unit conversions, and so forth. Siri is rolling out on the iPhone 4S in beta form with support for English, French, and German. Sadly, Apple hasn’t said whether iPhone 4 users will Siri goodness, too—I’m guessing not, since the feature isn’t mentioned as a part of iOS 5.

In any case, the iPhone 4S is coming out alongside iOS 5 on October 14. Pre-orders will kick off on October 7, and three variants will be on offer: $199 for 16GB of storage, $299 for 32GB, and $399 for 64GB. Cheapskates will be able to nab an 8GB version of the original iPhone 4 for a cool $99, as well.

Apple’s website appears to be down right now, but you can check Engadget’s picture-laden live blog of the keynote for all the details.

Comments closed
    • Thresher
    • 8 years ago

    Hitler was a bit let down with the new iPhone model too.

    [url<]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxn6Ag0mmhs&feature=player_embedded[/url<]

      • digitalrogue
      • 8 years ago

      I nearly wet myself with laughter.

      Thanks 😀

      • JustAnEngineer
      • 8 years ago

      Shhh! You’ll get the iPhone 4S banned from ESPN…

      • cynan
      • 8 years ago

      Probably the funniest thing I’ve seen on Youtube in a long while. +1

    • axeman
    • 8 years ago

    I am disappointed 🙁

    [url<]http://i.imgur.com/DteY4.png[/url<]

      • Farting Bob
      • 8 years ago

      Agreed, they should have put a huge sparkling “4S” on the back on the phone, in fake gold to make sure everyone knows that your phone is the new one. Otherwise you have to tell everyone its the 4S yourself (you will anyway im sure) and thats not as user friendly.

        • axeman
        • 8 years ago

        Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter

    • Peldor
    • 8 years ago

    I’m most surprised that the 3GS lives on. Why keep it? What’s the strategy? Apple doesn’t typically play in the bargain bin, and the 3GS is well short of the 4 (and Android competition) on many measures.

    The cost of the data plan dwarfs the cost of the hardware for any cell contract, but maybe the $free Android/WP7 phones are too popular for Apple’s taste?

      • derFunkenstein
      • 8 years ago

      3G[s] is way nicer than most of the free Android phones out there (which tend to run some sort of ARM11 CPUs in the 500-600MHz range). The 3G[s] at least has a Cortex A8 core, assuming GSMArena isn’t lying to me.

        • Peldor
        • 8 years ago

        The specs are not really the point. The point is Apple hasn’t been associated with the dirt-cheap hardware business. They don’t sell the cheapest hardware in any other segment AFAIK. But they are now selling among the ‘cheapest’ smartphones. To me, that’s a different strategy. The question is why?

        For the record though, AT&T has a Samsung Captivate (Galaxy S) and a HTC HD7S for $0.01 (I’m not sure why $0.01 rather than free, but whatever). Both have 1 GHz ARM A8 class cores compared to a 600MHz A8 for the 3GS. These are not low-end phones.

        • gerbilspy
        • 8 years ago

        My Droid X was free with a 2 yr contract. It’s one hell of a phone. 3G, 1Gz,

      • yogibbear
      • 8 years ago

      How is being locked into a $2k contract for 2 yrs dealing with the bargin bin?

        • demani
        • 8 years ago

        Only if you assume that the decision is smartphone vs. no cell at all. Incremental costs, sir. A cell phone is going to cost about $1300 or so over the life of the contract anyway. So its just the add-on of the data package, and that could be sub $400 for the two years ($15×24, and yes I use a crap load of data, yet most is over WiFi since its everywhere). So a 3Gs may mean only an extra $15 month over a regular feature phone, and that is a pretty easy decision to make for many people.

      • Growler
      • 8 years ago

      It means Apple has a way to get more people into their environment. They probably recouped all the development costs for the 3GS by now, so giving the phones away with a contract isn’t really costing them much. Offering a smartphone for the price of a regular phone would appeal to the parents who don’t have to shell out a ton of money to get their kid a phone. The real upside for Apple, though, is all the new people that would be buying apps, songs and shows on iTunes.

    • Jigar
    • 8 years ago

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    • esterhasz
    • 8 years ago

    I know everybody is interested in “newness” and “innovation” to judge a company’s pedigree and spirit. An while Apple surely overstates these aspects as well, I would argue that their recent success is actually due to asking the question “is it good?” rather than “is it new?”.

    From an enthusiast perspective it would have been nice to see a fully redesigned iPhone (personally, I neither fancy the design nor the 3.5″ screen) but the slower iteration cycles are also somewhat comforting when you compare it to the hardware frenzy in the Android camp and the software problems that come with it.

    • ronch
    • 8 years ago

    2x CPU and 7x GPU performance (etc.) sounds like a next-gen product to me. But you know, Apple boyz’n’gurls won’t believe it unless the thing comes in a new case with new bling and the GUI re-skinned or something.

      • can-a-tuna
      • 8 years ago

      I wonder how that 7x is calculated. Some best case scenario in some theoretic calculations.

        • swampfox
        • 8 years ago

        Of course it is. It certainly wouldn’t be the worst-case scenario. Isn’t this how improvements are always measured? (The same can be said for the discussion about the camera… and for new discrete GPUs and so on…)

        • KoolAidMan
        • 8 years ago

        Anandtech made similar findings when they benchmarked the A5 in their iPad review.

        • nico1982
        • 8 years ago

        If I remember correctly, according to the folks at B3D, it is just the ratio of the new GPU GFLOPs over the old one’s. At least, that was true for the iPad2. According to the same source, actual performance improvement was in the 2x to 5x, depending on the scenario.

          • yogibbear
          • 8 years ago

          Which is nothing to frown at when a 10-15% improvements equals a new mobo requirements just to buy the cpu that puts the lotion on the skin.

        • Beelzebubba9
        • 8 years ago

        The A5’s GPU is pretty monstrous – the iPad 2 is about twice as fast as the second fastest shipping mobile GPU (the just released Mali-400) so the 7x performance claim relative to the SGX535 in the A4 should be legit.

      • Deanjo
      • 8 years ago

      Actually it sounds like it is more the WP7/Fandroids that have a hard time seeing it as a “Next gen” phone.

        • sweatshopking
        • 8 years ago

        it’s an evolutionary step, which has brought SOME improvements. Of that there can be no question. It’s just that up until this point apple was the leader, and they brought NEW ideas. this time, they’ve improved upon a competitors product, which is great, but it’s a change from the historic.

          • demani
          • 8 years ago

          This is a bit of a ramble…

          I don’t know- I think the only point where you call them the leader was at the original iPhone release because they were changing the target market, and skewed the demographics in a direction the phone manufacturers up to then hadn’t really considered, and they did it by creating something that was uniquely easy to use. There have been many nice refinements to that model, and I’m curious to see what iOS5 brings, but there is a lot of other stuff on other platforms that I look at and envy (and iOS5 will bring it up to parity in some areas, and in others–I believe with the integration of the voice system–they may take a lead again. But it’s interia for many people- the platform wars caught a lot people up in it because they were used to doing things a certain way, and change was difficult, and not because the platform continued to be a standout. iCloud services could be a major point of differentiation, though Android has some of that functionality already (though again, it doesn’t appear to be nearly as tightly integrated and streamlined).

          But as MacBook Airs have shown, for many people there is a point where specs matter less, and features and implementation are enough. The screen is good enough for quite a while, the phone is significantly faster (I expect it to be comparable to the change form the iPad to iPad 2 which was pretty noticeable). So what’s to jump out on? NFC isn’t worth banging away at just yet. So voice control and cloud services are the new focus, and neither are necessarily phone dependant.

          The 3Gs remaining does puzzle me, but it probably will add to the inertia part: a 3GS with a cheap data plan is a great intro to the smartphone way, and once people get started they are likely to stay on the Apple train. Those are the customers Apple wants in 18-24 months, and those people will probably be looking at the 4Gs by then, and seeing a noticeable upgrade on their part-or better yet be tempted to upgrade to the 5 or 5s.

    • NeelyCam
    • 8 years ago

    OK – here’s one for you: since the near-indiscriminate thumbdowns keep coming my way, let’s take a vote.

    1) If you want NeelyCam trolling to stop for [i<][u<]one week[/u<][/i<], thumb this post [b<]UP[/b<]. 2) If you want NeelyCam to stay and keep sharing his informed insights about semiconductor technology, politics and more, thumb this post [b<]DOWN[/b<]. I will check the score on Thursday morning, post an acknowledgement, and comply.

      • JustAnEngineer
      • 8 years ago

      Please remember rule #10:
      [url<]https://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=11214[/url<]

        • NeelyCam
        • 8 years ago

        Forums != article comments/discussions.

        I keep my few posts in the forums very clean from any trolling. Discussions are less restricted and more entertaining. Freedom of speech is a good thing.

        EDIT: My mistake – the rule book does mention “comments”.

        I haven’t seen any bans here in the comments in my short life as a TR regular, so I don’t know if it’s enforced. Personally, I think this is the most entertaining discussion/comments section I’ve found on any website, which is why I keep coming back (and even try to contribute in some non-trolling ways).

        If that rule #10 gets strongly enforced (I’ve seen people complain about CaptainNed on the forums), I’ll be gone. I don’t have time or patience to choose to frequent sites that “severely” limit expression, opinions and general freedom.

          • DancinJack
          • 8 years ago

          The comments and forums are subject to the same rules.

          Come on now NeelyCam.

          I refrained from voting.

          • Ryu Connor
          • 8 years ago

          Yes, the rules of discourse are uniform between the comments and forums.

          Yes, people have been banned due to behavior in the comments.

          Don’t play the victim card.

          Don’t play poison the well.

          Thanks for listening and have fun! 🙂

      • Dashak
      • 8 years ago

      The choices you’re giving us aren’t choices. Much like politics, and at TR, we like to keep those discussions in their proper place.

      • ronch
      • 8 years ago

      Choose Your Own Adventure!! 🙂

      • dashbarron
      • 8 years ago

      I shouldn’t feed the troll, but…

      You have insightful posts, at times. I’d wager the reason you get downvotes 50% of the time is because of your arrogance. Unless I have you mistaken, you’re the one that makes those “was NeelyCam right again?” posts and then post links showing everyone how you were correct some vague prediction, pretending like you’re the only one who saw it. Everyone says these things, but you go out of your way to grab attention for yourself and show how “awesome” you are by posting link after link. You’re like a kid who wants to show mom you can make stool by yourself.

      Cut the crap and be insightful without being smug. Then you’d get thumbs up AND people would want you to stay, without even having to play this humorless game.

        • NeelyCam
        • 8 years ago

        [quote<]Unless I have you mistaken, you're the one that makes those "was NeelyCam right again?"[/quote<] Yes - that's me. You know, I don't remember when the smugness got started, but it was a result of somebody calling me an idiot for debating an alternate viewpoint... maybe when I was a TR virgin, discussing Intel/AMD lawsuit? Personal attacks from TR readers that disagreed with me made me this way.

          • TREE
          • 8 years ago

          Personally, I don’t have any problem with NeelyCam’s posts. Being smug on the odd occasion is a perfectly natural thing to do, particularly if you’re a male.

          This is a comment section and its purpose is for the expressing of readers opinions and thoughts. The way that someone writes is simply a reflection of their personality and / or their personal beliefs on a subject matter. If that writing contains within it a degree of extreme views or emotional content, it’s not really anything for anyone to complain or feel upset about. If in the instance that the writing contains comments that are direct / indirect insults at other members or groups of people in general (like religious or cultural groups), then by all means people can get upset and call the comment poster a “troll”. Expressing ones opinion can be done without insults.

          As far as I can tell though, NeelyCam has not done anything out of the ordinary when it comes to posting comments. Sure in this instance he’s posted a bit of a controversial post here as it’s not really on topic. But the reason for his post is clear; he’s been subject to a lowly form of cyber bullying from some readers of the TR. Even when making informative and impersonal posts he gets thumbed down.

          The rating system, although it makes little difference to the placement of the comment, needs to be removed. There are a lot of childish people on the internet with a chip on their shoulder. Comment threads that have a negative score, for some psychological reason, are followed up by derogatory comments directed towards the original poster. In other words, it flicks a negative sheep switch in some people’s brains.

          NeelyCam, stick around. Some of us can really see whats going on.

      • yogibbear
      • 8 years ago

      I’m not thumbing you in any direction. I like reading your posts, just like reading everyone’s posts. I don’t really enjoy the significance of the thumbing up and down as it currently stands.

      • NeelyCam
      • 8 years ago

      I guess no break for me..

        • sweatshopking
        • 8 years ago

        dear neely. i would miss posts from you. I love talking to hot girls, and between you and my wife, that makes 2! ♥♥♥

      • cynan
      • 8 years ago

      Oh the humanity! Surely we need a third option:

      3) If you want NeelyCam to stay and keep sharing his informed insights about semiconductor technology, politics and the meaning of life, [i<][b<]at least once a day and hourly if possible[/b<][/i<], sign up to TR with an alternate membership and tell your friends so you can thumb this post [b<]DOWN AT LEAST TWICE[/b<] [i<][b<]Give me an N. Give me an E.... Goooooooo NeelyCam!! [/b<][/i<]

        • NeelyCam
        • 8 years ago

        Irony is a gift from gods

    • lethal
    • 8 years ago

    All I want are the prices for the unlocked versions, the 2 year contract trap prices might as well be in Gils =/.

    • ThorAxe
    • 8 years ago

    Seriously what self-respecting geek gives a damn about a new cryPhone? 🙂

    Sorry for the trolling, just….. couldn’t……..help….. baiting……sheeeeep.

    • StashTheVampede
    • 8 years ago

    No surprise on the lack of LTE phones: 4G/LTE are huge battery hogs. Even if that’s a bullet point for other phones/makers, Apple wants very long lasting battery life.

    No surprise on not changing the resolution on the phone — the only other maker to have a higher resolution is Samsung and I’m sure they aren’t ready to sell that to Apple (considering their lawsuits).

    World phone is a no-brainer: Qualcomm has the chips ready earlier this year.

    Siri being locked to new iOS + faster hardware will get hacked. I imagine it won’t work as well on the A4 processor since voice recognition really needs a lot of CPU power.

      • mcnabney
      • 8 years ago

      The Droids facing off against iPhone 4S will be packing 720P screens, yes 1280×720, far exceeding the Retina display. So yes, even at launch the new iPhone will be inferior to the competition. Oh, and at least with Android you have the OPTION of 4G.

      • indeego
      • 8 years ago

      I charge my LTE phone once a day. It is well well worth the extra speed. [i<]No way[/i<] would I go back to 3G.

        • NeelyCam
        • 8 years ago

        Here in the usa the speeds are limited by network/throttling – not phone modem speeds. I actually suspect iPhone gets data bw priority; at least in the at&t network

          • David
          • 8 years ago

          I understand people don’t like NeelyCam, but did this really need to be downvoted?

          The network is the biggest deciding factor of speed here. I can tell you there are times my 3g is as slow as EDGE was.

          iPhone’s probably do get data priority.

          +1 to you out of principle, sir.

    • MathMan
    • 8 years ago

    I believe that the reason for the let down is due to the fact that this is the first time the new HW was announced after the iOS upgrade. The 4GS is a similar upgrade to the 3GS back then: better in a number of ways, but the real kicker is in the SW.

    Except that we already knew all that, hence the meh factor.

    The real question is: what kind of HW features are really going to make a major difference going forward?

    Cameras better than 8MP don’t make a lot of sense. Better than 1080p video same thing. Internet acess will be faster, but is 20 or 40MBps thar much different than 14 on a phone? GPS is already very good. A bigger screen is seen by many (including me) as impractical, so resolution is ready close to perfect. Etc.

    The big phone HW revolution is behind us, IMHO. It will be more incremental from now on. The real difference will be in the software.

    • Decelerate
    • 8 years ago

    I guess it’s the “Tick” phase of Intel’s Tick Tock strategy that Apple adopted a while ago.

    But man, ZERO upgrades for the touch? Damn you!!

    • JohnC
    • 8 years ago

    Overall a good needed “refresh” of various hardware features of the original iPhone 4. Don’t really know why so many people seem to be disappointed – same exact thing happened before (iphone 3G to 3GS) and I’m sure it will happen in future as well (iPhone 5 to 5S). In my opinion, there’s no real need for the overall physical design improvement (screen size is perfect for my needs, same for physical size + weight, the materials are already as good as they can currently get – hardened glass + metal), the display’s resolution is no worse than anything else currently available or is about to come out in near future, the built-in camera’s resolution is competitive enough (both for photos and video) with things like Galaxy S II, same for battery life. LTE is still not as available as current 3G and pseudo-4G networks (especially for AT&T), don’t really see the need to support it RIGHT NOW. Same goes for NFC technologies. The only thing I think Apple should’ve done with new “refresh” in terms of hardware is to perhaps add in an inductive charging method.

    P.S: Don’t really care if you think I am a “blind fanboy” or anything like this – it’s just my subjective personal opinion, nothing more.

    • turkeysam
    • 8 years ago

    Still a very good phone 🙂

    • albundy
    • 8 years ago

    besides a big YAWN to sum things up from the photos, it looks like either the screen got smaller or the bezel got wider. I’m glad that apple is starting to improve on tech that has already existed for some time on older phones not smarter than it. Hopefully, they wont call it their own invention this time around.

      • glynor
      • 8 years ago

      The case is essentially identical. This Is My Next reports that the only visible difference between the 4S and the 4 is that there are now four small black bands on the “Antenna Ring” around the phone, rather than the three that were on the iPhone 4.

      No changes in the screen or bezel.

    • elmopuddy
    • 8 years ago

    No dual-core, no LTE? I’ll pass.. I’ll be changing providers soon, that Galaxy S2 is looking better and better

      • Goty
      • 8 years ago

      I believe the A5 is a dual-core processor.

        • sweatshopking
        • 8 years ago

        it tis. though this one has lower clocks than the ipad, it’s still quite fast!

          • DancinJack
          • 8 years ago

          I thought they were both 1GHz. Maybe just the GPU is clocked lower?

            • glynor
            • 8 years ago

            They didn’t announce clocks. We won’t know till iFixit figures it out on launch day.

            • sweatshopking
            • 8 years ago

            you’re right. i read somewhere that it was lower clocked. seems they might have been jumping the gun.

    • sweatshopking
    • 8 years ago

    soo… the big feature that the new iphones bring is the voice recognition already included in wp7 and android? really apple? seems like your innovating is disappearing! i can already ask my phone whats a nearby restaurant. i can already do sms with just my voice. where’s my magic?
    i do realize it seems to be a more advanced implementation, but it strikes me that perhaps we’re running out of ideas with these devices. when the “big innovator” starts copying features, what more is there to do?

      • demani
      • 8 years ago

      Can you say “Remind me to reboot the server when I get to work” and have it set an alarm to go off when you get on site? There’s a little magic in that (at least for someone like me who spends a lot of time on the subway, and uses that to review the days schedule).

      But otherwise agree that there isn’t a ton new. But then what phone is bringing a ton new to the table anymore? The big amazing gains have all been made, and now we are into the refinement phase.

        • sweatshopking
        • 8 years ago

        the only real difference i have been able to see is to add calender appointments. I can already do location sensitive searches.

          • demani
          • 8 years ago

          Not location sensitive searches, but location aware…i.e. it knows the difference between “home” and “office” and can set reminders to go off when you get there. I’d be setting similar reminders with things like my ticket stub # when I get to the dry cleaner, or “Bring your wife home a cupcake” when I pass the awesome bakery. That location aware part is where it gets cool to me (asking what the weather is going to be where I am going to be later and getting a natural language response is also cool in my eyes). I think it’s mroe fundamental integration could make it even more useful than other implementations, but I’m prepared to be very wrong on either its implementation level, or the feature comparison to other OSes.

          Not that I am even looking to upgrade. I just like that it follows through on some of the voice recognition stuff that has been going on for about 20 years in the home computer market, and is now practically a trivial feature on a [i<]phone[/i<] today.

            • sweatshopking
            • 8 years ago

            We’ll have to see how it KNOWS what work is. or what the drycleaner is. I didn’t say it wasn’t a better implementation, just that it’s NOT innovative. it’s a copy, an improved copy, but a copy none the less.

            • demani
            • 8 years ago

            Of what? Serious, honest question? Voice control in general? I mean Apple has been doing voice control for 20 years, so what specifically are they copying? And just coming out after doesn’t mean copying (otherwise Android is “just a copy”, and I don’t know anyone who’d make that claim).

            As for knowing what work is: could be as simple as pulling your address from your contact info and using that for home or work-when the GPS says your there it triggers- this is very easy to implement. Doing something like that for a dry cleaners (after all if you have a tag, you have been there) could nbe a matter of assigning it (no idea on this though, although overlaying the GPS data with something like google maps [with all the businesses listed] would allow some very fine granularity- you could in theory say “Get milk at the bodega near home” and it could just ping when ever you pass a bodega within 300yds of your home. The voice stuff combined with the geolocation/geofencing tapped into some online map system could be really excellent (again, not saying this phone is doing that, but this seems like a direction smartphones are likely to go as they get this stuff even more refined).

            • sweatshopking
            • 8 years ago

            android’s UI is a clear copy from iOS. Google never pretended to be a major innovator.

      • glynor
      • 8 years ago

      Have you ever actually used the voice recognition on Android? It is terrible. In my tests, in a quiet environment, it only got the things I said right about 40% of the time!

      It remains to be seen how well this works on the new iPhone, but based on the live demo on stage, I strongly suspect it’ll blow previous implementations away.

      We’ll see.

        • NeelyCam
        • 8 years ago

        It gets mine correct 95% of the time (I use it for “writing” text messages all the time), and I have an accent.

        Mine is Vlingo or something, though… maybe not the run-of-the-mill Android v-reg

        • sweatshopking
        • 8 years ago

        I use wp7, and have yet to have a mistake.

          • no51
          • 8 years ago

          Can an admin ban this guy? Liking Microsoft or praising WP7 is not allowed in here.

            • sweatshopking
            • 8 years ago

            I gave you +1

        • BobbinThreadbare
        • 8 years ago

        I use it for searching street addresses when I’m driving and I have a 90%+ success rate. It’s actually quite wonderful.

        • njsutorius
        • 8 years ago

        i use it semi frequently.. it seems to have a mind of its own.. ill go on streaks where its right for multiple text messages and street locations, and then it seems to change its mind other times and not get it right.. I will say that unless im driving i will not use it because of its inconsistency and lack of “intelligent” understanding.. Hopefully apples is good so it pushes everyone else up a step.. I have not had the chance to use wp7 voice recognition but may switch to windows phone after my android contract runs up.

      • Farting Bob
      • 8 years ago

      Only apple can introduce a new program for a specific model and not allow all exsisting models to work on it, even though there is no reason why such a program couldnt run on a first generation iphone.

        • Voldenuit
        • 8 years ago

        Don’t worry, both the carriers and the OEMs for android phones do things like drag their feet on OS updates, too. At least MS is more proactive about pushing updates to the end user (although that’s partly because WP7 pre-NoDo sucked).

        And here in the US, nokia still hasn’t updated its Symbian^3 users to Anna, after 2+ months of international availability (fortunately for me, I got my N8 overseas so its product code let me grab Anna).

      • Deanjo
      • 8 years ago

      So how well does your WP7 phone work when you say “Join hidden SSID”?

        • sweatshopking
        • 8 years ago

        don’t know. never tried. that’s something i’ll likely never need to ask it, SINCE I’M NOT SOME KIND OF WEIRDO.

    • indeego
    • 8 years ago

    Amazing no LTE/”4G.”

    Of course most iPhone users think the “4” means 4G technology. I don’t think Apple does much to dispel that.

    I wouldn’t consider a phone without at least LTE, and I wouldn’t recommend a phone without it also. Apple needs Intel “Netburst” 🙂

      • JohnC
      • 8 years ago

      You wouldn’t, I would – where I live LTE is not available from AT&T and I am not sure when it will be. And no, I can’t switch away from AT&T for the next year or so.

      • Decelerate
      • 8 years ago

      The battery-sucking aspect of LTE would be a big no-no to Apple imo. One of the features they pride themselves in compared to their peers is their battery life…

      • no51
      • 8 years ago

      Much like HD Radio doesn’t do much to dispel the assumption that their ‘HD’ means High Definition, not Hybrid Digital.

    • dpaus
    • 8 years ago

    I didn’t watch the blogcasts (I don’t have [i<]that[/i<] much time to waste...); did Steve Jobs make an appearance? How did Tim do? Did he wear a turtleneck? Did he have Ninjas on-stage? And I'm sorry, but I just have to repeat what I said in the Shortbread: [i<]Apple managed to get every major news outlet in the world oooo-ing and ahhhh-ing over a minor spec bump to a year-old cellphone. Looks good on Apple, looks really bad on those 'news' organizations[/i<]

      • Deanjo
      • 8 years ago

      [quote<]a minor spec bump[/quote<] What spec didn't change? Better camera, better processor, better wireless, more capacity and new OS. The only thing that stayed the same was the case and the already great screen.

    • dpaus
    • 8 years ago

    re: Siri – now Garry Trudeau can recycle [url=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PDOx1b7aaOI/Tk70a0Js9XI/AAAAAAAACVw/kwcbhK8hjnE/s1600/Doonesbury2.gif<]all those Doonesbury strips about the Newton[/url<] 🙂

    • ModernPrimitive
    • 8 years ago

    Well I’m one of the ones that is let down… My biggest issue is lack of a 4″ screen. I’m currently using the EVO 4G that most of you know has a 4.3″ display. My Sprint contract is up the 11th. Perfect timing if wanted an iPhone. The EVO has been great and is the longest I’ve ever kept a phone but was considering my first iPhone. I think it’s still a nice device, especially the camera, but probably not going to sway me. I don’t game on my phone so the upgraded specs are a moot point in my case. I think it’s really great for people that have the 3g and 3Gs phones though.

    • blitzy
    • 8 years ago

    the bubble inflates, and now it’s time for it to deflate. well played steve jobs, a perfectly timed exit

      • blitzy
      • 8 years ago

      when the truth hurts… downvote 😀

        • can-a-tuna
        • 8 years ago

        Don’t take it personally. Job’s force is strong here. Watch this instead: [url<]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hprj8WRit8E[/url<]

    • Duck
    • 8 years ago

    [quote<]Cheapskates will be able to nab an 8GB version of the original iPhone 4 for a cool $99, as well.[/quote<] I'm a cheapskate of sorts. I had a quick look and the 16GB version is a not so cool $770 in my country (one of the lowest prices I could see, from amazon). I just can't believe that $99 it's far too good to be true, surely.

      • ALiLPinkMonster
      • 8 years ago

      I’m sure that $99 is only if you sign two years of your life away to AT&T. Contractless smartphones are usually quite pricey.

      • NeelyCam
      • 8 years ago

      Here in the usa they lure you into buying one “real cheap” if you sign a contract, and the n rape you nonstop for two years.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 8 years ago

    The Apple store site shows the iPod Touch got upgraded as well – but the link to the tech specs returns you to the main (currently-down) Apple site. Did these get A5s and better cameras, too? The iPod Touch’s camera was f’ing terrible – it only took .7MP photos with the rear-facing camera (.5MP photos with the front-facing 640×480 camera) and the video was terrible. That’s why I gave mine up; I got an LG Android phone that took better stills and video, so I no longer wanted to carry around two devices.

      • riviera74
      • 8 years ago

      The upgraded iPod Touch would have the same mechanicals as the new iPhone 4S because it is cheaper to manufacture that way. I am relieved that the Shuffle and especially the Classic get to live on another day. The biggest push for the Touch and the Nano is iOS 5.

        • adisor19
        • 8 years ago

        Are you sure the classic lives on ? I didn’t see it on Engadget iPod familly pic..

        Adi

        • adisor19
        • 8 years ago

        Umm, clearly the iPod touch has NOT been updated. It just got released in white and the price dropped by 30$.

        Not impressed with this move..

        Adi

          • sweatshopking
          • 8 years ago

          but does it impact your overall impression of the company? you’ve often sited a lack of approval of apple, but still are a big fan. i’m wondering why? is it because nobody else is better? or is do you feel it’s still an excellent product.

      • Ushio01
      • 8 years ago

      ipod touch did not get new internals.

      As the iphone 4 will continue being manufactured as the 8GB reduced model.

        • derFunkenstein
        • 8 years ago

        It says “new” on the store. Are they really not “new”?

      • adisor19
      • 8 years ago

      I gave you a thumbs up for bashing the iPod Touch lame cameras. But you got an LG to replace that ?!! Seriously ??!!

      Adi

        • derFunkenstein
        • 8 years ago

        I know, right? It was what was available at the time. The camera is OK though…for a phone camera.

        Tried to undo your minus but someone else was quick to put it back.

        • A_Pickle
        • 8 years ago

        Yes. Punish him for leaving The Community.

    • LaChupacabra
    • 8 years ago

    Voice recognition is one of those features like Optical Character Recognition. Even if it works 99% of the time it still means you have to check everything it does and fix any (even small) mistakes it makes.

      • indeego
      • 8 years ago

      Google’s VR is pretty amazing. 99% is damn good when you want to find an address without touching your phone and your phone is mounted on the dash.

      • PsychicMuffin
      • 8 years ago

      If the success rate is better than my typing success rate, why not? I mean, if you’re typing then you can obviously fix your typos, where as you’re probably using voice recognition because you can’t. Still though, in most situations a few typos aren’t horrible. I would assume most software would allow you to check and correct them anyway.

        • demani
        • 8 years ago

        Plus there is the other stuff-look up info, schedule in the calendar, etc. that is beyond just dictation. I love voice calling that works.

        Touch “upgrade” is stupid: not upgrading means there are now what, 5 different handsets in current distribution? Sure sounds like fragmentation to me.

        • Growler
        • 8 years ago

        The voice recognition might be more accurate than autocorrect, if Damn You, Autocorrect is any judge.

      • njsutorius
      • 8 years ago

      if it worked 99% of the time i would use it. what we need is it to work so well that you can trust its input without having double check it all the time.. or have it talk back to you so you can just listen to its responce and verbal confirm its accuracy.. but we are so far away from that.

      “hannah”(my name for my cell phone) Hannah can you send a message to my wife and let her know im running late for dinner?

      Hannah: i have sent a message to Katy and let her know your estimated time of arrivalb based off your location.

      Me: thanks hannah thats all

        • indeego
        • 8 years ago

        So you type by neither looking at the screen or at the keyboard, and let things fly as they are?

          • yogibbear
          • 8 years ago

          Who looks at their keyboard when they type?

      • Thresher
      • 8 years ago

      Just another cool feature that I will never use.

    • thanatos355
    • 8 years ago

    What a let down.

    The processor and graphics improvements would be nice and the 8mp camera is sexy (for a phone camera), but it looks like I’ll be holding on to my 3GS for yet another round of refresh.

      • sschaem
      • 8 years ago

      What feature that you dont have in the 3gs would have made you upgrade to a 4s ?

        • thanatos355
        • 8 years ago

        This, sir, is a very good question. I was just hoping for…well….more.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 8 years ago

      You totally blew up my theory. Did you get the 3G[s] when it was new or when it became $49?

        • thanatos355
        • 8 years ago

        When it was new and I had waaaaaaaay more money than I knew what to do with.

          • derFunkenstein
          • 8 years ago

          Then yeah, color my theory “blown”. It’s a big step up from the 3G[s] and I figured everyone on earth who had a 3G[s] would jump on this.

          And that still may be the case, minus one person.

            • Maboroshi Daikon
            • 8 years ago

            I’m in the same boat. I got the 3Gs the fall of the year that they came out. Was waiting to see what the 5 might bring, but a 4Gs just isn’t that interesting.

            I’m now looking at the Nexus Prime or whatever it’ll be called or possibly a Galaxy S2, depending on the price.

          • NeelyCam
          • 8 years ago

          You should’ve renewed your contract with a free android phone, immediately switch back to 3GS, and sell the android phone after a year or so when you get it unlocked.

            • sweatshopking
            • 8 years ago

            sell*

            • NeelyCam
            • 8 years ago

            Thanks – my bad.

            • sweatshopking
            • 8 years ago

            <3

            • thanatos355
            • 8 years ago

            Unlocked? Doesn’t rooting an android allow you to unlock it as well? Or haven’t I read up enough about androids and the hacks therefor?

      • UberGerbil
      • 8 years ago

      It’s only a let-down if you bought a ticket on the hypetrain to begin with

        • thanatos355
        • 8 years ago

        HOPEtrain, not hype. 😛

          • dpaus
          • 8 years ago

          Surely you’re not correcting UberGerbil??!! Or calling him Shirley?!

          • NeelyCam
          • 8 years ago

          Obama’s new, armored campaign vehicle…?

      • kroker
      • 8 years ago

      The 4S isn’t really any less of an upgrade compared to the previous iPhone launches. But there was one thing that was very different this time. Steve Jobs wasn’t on the scene to charm everyone into buying it.

        • srg86
        • 8 years ago

        You mean the Jobs reality distortion field wasn’t turned on.

    • DancinJack
    • 8 years ago

    So Apple, why should anyone get this phone? Upgraded [i<]specs[/i<]? The irony is nice. e: puncuation

      • derFunkenstein
      • 8 years ago

      If subscribers are upgrading when their contract allows, they’ll be upgrading from a 3G[s], and this should be a pretty huge step up in that regard.

      The people that upgrade every time a new device comes out? They’re morons. So they’ll upgrade anyway.

        • DancinJack
        • 8 years ago

        Understood. I just think it’s funny that Apple repeatedly tells consumers it’s not about specs but about user experience. With iOS 5 coming to at least the iPhone 4, I don’t see why anyone would upgrade their 4 to a 4s.

          • derFunkenstein
          • 8 years ago

          Well specs always lead to a better user experience. I agree about the phone upgrade, I wouldn’t go from an A4-powered phone to an A5-powered phone. I would upgrade the tablet, though – I see why people went from the iPad to the iPad 2. And that’s because of the crazy weird stuff people are doing with it. I don’t do that crazy weird stuff with my phone. :p

          • End User
          • 8 years ago

          Specs are a big deal for Apple. Every product has a specs page.

        • End User
        • 8 years ago

        [quote<]The people that upgrade every time a new device comes out? They're morons. So they'll upgrade anyway.[/quote<] The smartphone era is still in its early days. The rate of progress so far has been substantial. Sticking with a smartphone for more than one year leaves you behind as far as performance/features are concerned. I don't have a problem with renewing my term (I've been with the same provider for 15 years). My provider allows for upgrades every year. The upgrade cost is more than acceptable ($0-$199 depending on the device).

      • sschaem
      • 8 years ago

      It might target new customers? I heard Sprint will start to carry the iPhone. (with 30 million phone on order, as dictated by Apple)
      This is the opportunity for Apple to get them an Iphone 4s so those will upgrade sooner to a 5, or 5s.

      If Apple released a 5 today, Sprint customers would skip one upgrade cycle. Apple every moves is highly calculated.

        • derFunkenstein
        • 8 years ago

        And then you’ll see Sprint do away with unlimited data contracts. That’s one of the few things Sprint has going over Verizon.

          • DancinJack
          • 8 years ago

          [quote<]That's the one thing Sprint has going over Verizon.[/quote<] There ya go Funk. I got grandfathered in with an unlimited plan on VZW too. I generally don't use over 2GB a month, but I'm glad I have the ability to without having to pay extra.

          • Farting Bob
          • 8 years ago

          Why? Sprint already has many smartphones with many many users on unlimited plans, compared to all the decent android phones out there there is no reason why the iphone will increase the average amount users download. And the extra revenue from many iphone users can be used to upgrade the network in areas where users increase rapidly after a big launch like the iphone would be.

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