Columbus Day Shortbread

Eight is Enough

  1. ZDNet: Free software founder, Richard M. Stallman, is glad Steve Jobs is gone
  2. ElectronicsWeekly reports hp to replace flash and SSD in 2013
  3. ATi-Forum: AMD FX-8150 live at the IPL3 (in German)
  4. Donanim Haber’s AMD FX-8150 video review (in Turkish)
  5. Lab501’s AMD FX-8150 Bulldozer preview (in Romanian)
  6. AnandTech: The iPhone 4S, HSPA+, and when HSPA+ is real 4G
  7. Rice University: Removal of restrictions can decrease music piracy
  8. RPS reports GSC responds on S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 DRM issue


Columbus Day

  1. X-bit labs: Sony plans to acquire Ericsson’s share in Sony Ericsson joint venture – report
  2. TBreak’s Zotac interview
  3. Dealzon’s deals: $20 coupon for 15.6” Asus K53SV-B1 i7-2630QM, $50 coupon

    for 15.6” Dell Inspiron 14r i5-2410M, $20 coupon for 15.6” Toshiba C650D-BT5N11

    AMD Fusion E-300, and $150 coupon for 21.5” Lenovo IdeaCentre B320 PC

Mobile

  1. Engadget: Sprint says no to iPhone insurance, AppleCare+ breathes sigh of relief
  2. Engadget: Cybook prepping Odyssey reader with High Speed Ink System screen
  3. TBreak on iPod nano with updated software

Software and gaming

  1. TechRadar has 20 ways to break Linux
  2. AnandTech reports L.A. Noire developer team Bondi shuttered
  3. Engadget reports U-verse on Xbox 360 is getting

    upgraded in November, but will require XBL Gold

  4. Eurogamer reports Capcom defends Resident Evil: Orc
  5. Bethesda Blog has Rage PC update notes

Hardware

  1. Tech ARP’s BIOS option of the week – PEG / onchip VGA control
  2. X-bit labs review Biostar TX68K+
  3. The SSD Review on 200GB Intel 710 Series SSD
  4. Real World Labs on 900GB Seagate Savvio 10K.5 SAS HDD
  5. Metku reviews Corsair Carbide 400R case
  6. Rbmods on Antec Kühler 920 watercooling kit
  7. Technic3D reviews Thermaltake Bigwater 760 Plus (in German)
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    • Sargent Duck
    • 8 years ago

    umm….Ronald, where’s the love for Canada? It is our Thanksgiving up here.

    • wiak
    • 8 years ago

    who was columbus anyway?
    i dont realy think he discoverd america before teh vikings did 😛

      • destroy.all.monsters
      • 8 years ago

      Why he’s the man that introduced slavery to the western world!

        • Krogoth
        • 8 years ago

        Hate to burst your bubble.

        Slavery already existed in the new world. (been here since humans came to the Americans during the last ice age)

          • destroy.all.monsters
          • 8 years ago

          Ha, I knew that but I just had to throw that in there.

          He did, in fact, bring in the first african slaves though.

          To the negative voters – there is no denying the guy was a scumbag and committed atrocities. During his reign as governor he imported African slaves – fact.

          Further he institutionalized slavery and did so on a grand scale – something none of the first nations peoples had done.

      • Arclight
      • 8 years ago

      “History remembers those who own functional pens” (doubt that vikings did).

      • Krogoth
      • 8 years ago

      Columbus revitalize European interest in the new world.

      He didn’t realize that he had discovered the new world. He thought he just found another route to the far east.

      • NeelyCam
      • 8 years ago

      He discovered america’s economic potential

      • Deanjo
      • 8 years ago

      *sigh* I thought it was already a well established fact that ancient aliens discovered america. At least that is what the History Channel tries to tell us.

    • sschaem
    • 8 years ago

    I scanned a few message board… and man AMD marketing department totally and utterly botched the FX release.

    AMD will come to regret their position on not disclosing info, you just dont let negative PR of that magnitude be spread like a disease for days on end.

    • gbcrush
    • 8 years ago

    Columbus Day! It’s October -12-, goshdarnit!

    • destroy.all.monsters
    • 8 years ago

    I find it hilarious that clowns like that guy on zdnet compare Jobs to Disney or Edison especially since they miss in what ways he really was like them: taking things other people had done first and taking credit for them (Edison was particularly heinous in this regard – doing his level best to impoverish Tesla and taking credit for all work done in his labs that in the main he had no hand in,trying to destroy AC power, working to ensure his monopoly status, ad infinitum). Disney was a virulent right wing scum bag (thankfully something Jobs was not) who had blacklisted several of his own former employees. These were not good people in the slightest regardless of whatever else they may have done.

    And while Edison did actually invent some things (though not nearly to the degree he’s been credited for), he’s mostly known for the false legacy he propagated with his constant barrage of public relations pap – essentially the RDF of its time.

    Nor did they care one whit about their fellow man – just in how they could profit off them. Whether Apple products work for you or not the walled garden they create is ultimately harmful (while we’re at it – why does Apple get a free pass on vendor lock in that neither microsoft or IBM got? It sure looks like because they’re “cool”).

    [For the record – not that I think it matters – I didn’t wish Jobs dead and neither does rms]

    • wingless
    • 8 years ago

    I’ve read at XtremeSystems that AMD’s Zambezi requires a new OS-level patch to work correctly with Windows and Linux. One poster said it may come out tomorrow. As of yet, none of the reviewed/previewed AMD systems had this patch applied. It sucks that they need a patch at all, but the CPU design is radically different than any other to date.

    How about we wait for official reviews this week?

      • Arclight
      • 8 years ago

      What? Be reasonable? You must be posting in the wrong section…Sarcasm aside, i doubt a driver will change things that much. I mean come on…

      • destroy.all.monsters
      • 8 years ago

      Got linkage? I’d be interested in following that discussion.

      • chuckula
      • 8 years ago

      I’m getting tired of hearing about how a “miracle” BIOS or magical OS update will instantly double Bulldozer’s performance. If this really was the case, then AMD would have had this code out to its partners and review sites *long* before the chip got introduced.
      If you read the preview, you’ll see the scores they got for Bulldozer match AMD’s own slides in common benchmarks. Are you saying that AMD has been holding back the miracle software update from its own marketing team to make its own products look bad?

      How come Intel never needs a “miracle” software update to make its chips work right?

        • Deanjo
        • 8 years ago

        Well there was quite a wait for linux to come up with proper AMD turbo support on the Phenom II x6’s which did result in some damn impressive speed improvements (kernel compilation time for example went from 75 seconds down to 52). I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the case again.

        [url<]http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Performance-problem-in-AMD-s-Phenom-II-X6-under-Linux-993127.html[/url<]

          • chuckula
          • 8 years ago

          If all the reviews only used Linux as the OS then I’d say that AMD would be foolish not to get software patches out ahead of the release of Bulldozer… Look at Intel’s Ivy Bridge graphics support that is already out for Linux 6 months ahead of the launch for proof of how this is done right.

          Having said that, all the reviews state that Turbo is working fine and there are lots of screenshots showing 4.2Ghz operation with Bulldozer, and they are reviewing using Windows for 99% of the reviews. You do realize that it is already too late for AMD to make a last minute software update that will help its reviews right? Techreport’s review along with basically all the other major review sites is probably complete or getting close to being done *right now*. They don’t just throw these reviews together 15 minutes before the NDA lifts you know.

          AMD has delayed Bulldozer multiple times just this year. That should have given them *plenty* of time to get any miracle updates out *long* before reviewers and partners had the chips in hand. I’ll take the “unconfirmed’ report of a reputable hardware review site that has actually run benchmarks on a real, production chip over the hearsay that some AMD fanboy puts on a forum about “miracle” software updates any day of the week.

            • Deanjo
            • 8 years ago

            Where is the 1% linux review? The patches above were NOT from an “AMD Fanboy” forum. They were real events and real patches that improved performance significantly. This isn’t an isolated case. Other libraries such as openSSL, GMP, openMP, LLVM, etc have all benefited in the past from processor specific optimized code which has led to huge gains in performance. As far as intel graphics go, that made me burst out laughing as they are nowhere close to being on par with their windows counterparts anywhere in their lifetime, but there were still many optimizations brought forth AFTER the release of the product.

            • chuckula
            • 8 years ago

            [quote<]The patches above were NOT from an "AMD Fanboy" forum. [/quote<] Wow, I didn't realize that "XtremeSystems" is now the official media outlet of AMD. I also didn't realize that you had jumped forward in time to tomorrow when these miraculous patches will supposedly be released and that you already have all the performance information about how great Bulldozer will be. I'm sticking by my original statement. Intel didn't need to run around saying that Sandy Bridge could only have improved performance if you recompiled every library on your system and recoded every program to use AVX. Going forward I'm sure that some programs could be improved to use Bulldozer's new instructions just like lots of programs could have improved performance on Sandy Bridge if they were updated to take advantage of SB's new architecture. But offering that up as an excuse for Bulldozer's poor performance and acting like there's some magic software patch that will turn Bulldozer from a disappointment into a miracle with a flip of the switch is denialism at its best.

            • Deanjo
            • 8 years ago

            It is not denialism at it’s best. It’s is real world practice. AVX is a bad example for you to use since intel has been telling people to take advantage of AVX they had to use Win7 with SP1 despite having been known about since 2009 (that’s when the first AVX code started appearing in GCC). AVX also has been demonstrated to not make a whole hill of beans when it comes to many benchmarks, compiled in or not (recompiling with extension support doesn’t mean a whole lot without the supporting code in application/library that it is compiling).

            • chuckula
            • 8 years ago

            Who’s the fanboy now? Any improvement that AMD marketing talks about will miraculously destroy Intel while any improvement to ISA that Intel makes is useless? This is getting very annoying and come Wednesday all the whining about how AMD is just “too advanced” for today’s software is going to pale in comparison to the fact that a 1.5 Billion transistor monster from AMD can’t beat aging Intel chips with 40% fewer transistors and lower power consumption.

            • Deanjo
            • 8 years ago

            Again, not a fanboy (or maybe I am since I’ve been now accused of being a Nvidia/Intel/AMD/Apple fanboy). I have however real world data that shows patches for processor optimizations do make a lot of difference. AMD x2’s for example could not keep up to Core 2’s in openSSL performance until those optimizations were put in. AMD ruled the roost with those optimizations and intel could only out perform them after they put in the AES engine.

            • chuckula
            • 8 years ago

            [quote<]Where is the 1% linux review?[/quote<] Go look at Phoronix.com from earlier this year when server-grade Bulldozer benchmarks showed up. Real Word Tech wrote an article about them as well.

            • Deanjo
            • 8 years ago

            Those Phoronix benchmarks were from a long time ago and early step pings of an engineering sample. You can’t really use those as indicitave performance.

            PS, I also happen to be one of the contributors to PTS and am well aware of what gets posted there.

          • sschaem
          • 8 years ago

          And AMD keep this a secret because ?

            • Deanjo
            • 8 years ago

            They haven’t kept it a secret, and it is well known. It is simply the way it is in linux. New hardware comes out and there is a waiting period for proper support. Even the allmighty intel rarely contributes to the kernel outside of graphics support for their solutions. GCC intel optimizations almost always come from a 3rd party (not surprising since intel wants you to use their own compiler), where as AMD makes a lot of contributions to GCC and other compiler suites.

            • sschaem
            • 8 years ago

            I’m not talking about the past.

            I’m talking about why is AMD keeping the fact that a potential OS patch is needed for the FX to work correctly a secret from review sites?
            None of the people with FX processor are aware that an upcoming , yet unreleased ,OS patch will increase performance.
            AMD is also not telling anyone today that OS need further patching for the FX line.

            a) AMD is not disclosing that info to review site
            b) AMD is not informing the press that this will ever happen
            c) we are less then 48h away from the end of the embargo… dont you think review site have the patch by now?

            You dont let bad news spread like wild fire with ZERO damage control.
            The best JF-AMD had to say was “Guys I was talking about the 16core server version when I made my comments, not the desktop chip”
            AMD is implying that all those result are spot on accurate for desktop workload.

            Things are going from bad to worse and AMD sit idle, looking at millions of marketing $ vanishing, while whats left of their image is being destroyed.

            • Deanjo
            • 8 years ago

            You don’t seem to remember the past. There have been several “post release” patches in the past on AMD processors. There has been pretty much a patch released with every Gen of AMD processors dating back to the k6-2 days.

            • sschaem
            • 8 years ago

            And again… AMD is keeping this a secret because ?

            Tell me again what patch on Windows ‘unlocked’ the performance AMD processors AFTER they where released ?

            Windows is already patched for the FX processor, dont fool yourself.

            Even software like AIDA64 have FX patch since june.

            • Deanjo
            • 8 years ago

            [url<]http://support.amd.com/us/Pages/dynamicDetails.aspx?ListID=c5cd2c08-1432-4756-aafa-4d9dc646342f&ItemID=173&lang=us[/url<] Just one for example. I have several others on a old AMD documentation disk for the K6-2/3/Athlons.

    • Welch
    • 8 years ago

    I hate to say this but I too don’t wish for anyone to have to die a painful death like that of cancer. So for Steve’s sake im glad he is no longer in pain. At the same time I am also relieved that Steve Jobs is gone. I take my hat off to the man for knowing how to hone an innovation even if others may have came out with it first but did a shitty job of it before him. He knew how to refine their crap, over charge for his stuff, and then sell it to the masses like sunshine to an Eskimo in December. Watching Apple move up the stock market ladder has been as annoying to watch as witnessing “Elder” mormon kids sell their cultist ideals to your neighbors.

      • NeelyCam
      • 8 years ago

      [quote<]Watching Apple move up the stock market ladder has been as annoying to watch as witnessing "Elder" mormon kids sell their cultist ideals to your neighbors.[/quote<] Freedom of religion, buddy. If your neighbor doesn't like it, he's free to close the door. What's far more annoying is intolerance.

        • Welch
        • 8 years ago

        I lived in a house with a bunch of Mormon people. Some of them were great people, some of them were horrible. Just like any religion… I’m very tolerant to it, but I don’t have to agree with it. Hell one of my best friends was a mormon, he kinda changed his way in life so I wouldn’t call him one anymore (Drinking, smoking, not going to church, ect).

        I’m not religious at all, an Atheist if you will…. so all beliefs in a god seem a bit odd to me, but ehhh if it makes someone a better person, great! I think because I am not religious it gives me the opportunity to have an opinion about all religions equally instead of touting my religious beliefs on someone else. With that I do generally have to say that there are some of them out there that are no more than a cult or a financial cash cow for some higher up (See Scientology)

    • gorillagarrett
    • 8 years ago

    Wow, as expected, Bulldozer is a big failure.Heck after years of working on it, since 2004 i guess, they come up with a design that isn’t even better than their previous K7 architecture.

    What happened to them? Where are the engineers that designed the K7 Athlon?

    Not that I really care, as i don’t need a replacement for my I5 750 at the moment.But man, I’m disappointed.

    I hope IBM buys AMD…

      • dragosmp
      • 8 years ago

      K7and K8 were based on Dec Alpha’s EV-6 / EV-7 processor bus. AMD wasn’t an innovator even then, they just executed better than DEC and Intel. AMD’s 90nm process back then was far better than Intel’s albeit it came later to the table, as was the case for the 180nm and 130nm. Since then manufacturing was a problem (65nm and latter), architectures were underperforming (Brisbane K8 and latter), management lacked vision (Hector and latter)… quite enough to run a successful company into the ground.

        • destroy.all.monsters
        • 8 years ago

        K6 and early K7 was but as I recall K8 (possibly late K7) and newer were based on hypertransport (originally lightning data transport). Since Dirk had a hand in all those that makes sense – and intel took plenty from DEC’s Alpha team, both in staffing and in tech. You can’t really call one less innovative than the other.

        And AMD pioneered the RISC/x86 fusion with both its drivers and from their purchase of NexGen (as well as members of the aforementioned Alpha team).

        For a company less than 1/10th the size of intel I’d say they’ve done a damn good job at being innovative.

      • destroy.all.monsters
      • 8 years ago

      I’m just curious what good you think IBM buying AMD would do.

      The engineers that designed the K7 are largely gone. Dirk is, and certainly it’s been long enough that many may have retired by now. It’s been over 10 years.

      K7 was not their previous architecture that’s over 3 generations ago.

        • sschaem
        • 8 years ago

        Their isn’t much architectural difference between a K7 and a K10.
        Have you seen an architectural diagram of the K7 and K10, they are nearly identical to the T.

      • sschaem
      • 8 years ago

      Bulldozer perform as it was supposed to, what doesn’t make sense if the memory controller results and the task energy.

      The fact that the FX-8150 is only 5% slower then the i7-2600k encoding video, using a near broken memory controller, is actually nothing but a failure.

      The Cinebench results are disappointing (15% slower), and makes you wonder if Intel optimization are not enabled on the FX-8150.
      And I’m sure this version of Cinebench doesn’t use FMA, so their is still hope that a $245 AMD CPU beat an Intel $315 CPU at rendering…. (IB will ‘fix’ this situation big time)

      For the games, specially unigine. lets rerun the same test using AMD Radeon drivers.

      For the other lightly threaded task (4 threads or less) the i7-2600k is going to cream the FX-8150 no matter what. Totally expected.

        • Deanjo
        • 8 years ago

        Running unigine on AMD graphics is just a world of hurt especially as tessellation starts to increase. Using the huge GTX-580 was probably the smartest thing review sites have done as it eliminates a lot of potential issues with bottlenecks and multi gpu driver quirks.

          • sschaem
          • 8 years ago

          You dont get the point. Its not about comparing a GTX 580 vs a Radeon 6970…. Its all about the FX vs i7

          The point here is that their is a possibility that AMD optimized their driver for the FX better then nVidia did.

          So we might see a different delta between the FX and i7 using a Radeon VS an nVidia solution.

          I never ,ever said unigine run better on Radeon HD HW… again, thats not the point.

          Hope you can see why its valuable to do game test using Radeon HW and not make a conclusion based on an nvidia card.

          BTW, having a pure GPU bound benchmark be 10-15% slower from one CPU to the next show something is really wrong…

      • Deanjo
      • 8 years ago

      If IBM were to buy AMD you can kiss any x86 competition goodbye. IBM would just take the assets and utilize them towards their PowerPC line. IBM’s x86 license did not cover the modern architectures and IIRC is long expired. Any sale of AMD would void AMD’s x86 license as well.

        • destroy.all.monsters
        • 8 years ago

        +1 Exactly. I can’t see a positive outcome from IBM buying AMD. They don’t want to get anywhere near the commodity/consumer end of the spectrum – and have no reason to.

      • NeelyCam
      • 8 years ago

      If these benchies are true (and it seems likely they are), I don’t think it’s that bad. It beats 2600k in some benchies, loses in many, gets beaten by X6 here and there. Consumers will be fine – prices will have to follow performance.

      I’m still wondering if the marketing did the right thing calling it an 8-core… it’ll surely draw some ridicule from geeks and other techies, but muggles don’t care. This is the first 8-core chip they’ve ever seen – it’s almost like buying an american-built V8 when all the Intel losers are buying some asian inline 4s. Even the 4-core chip runs way faster (>4GHz) than Intel’s best four core. Buy buy buy!!

        • sschaem
        • 8 years ago

        The FX-8150 is not an i7-2600K killer, but I agree that its fine for the cost. Whats not fine is AMD marketing.

        The issue is that currently AMD is letting its reputation and image going down the toilet…
        And yep, consumer tend to listen to the ‘geeks and other techies’ , they are the most vocal,
        so AMD ignoring this segment is plain stupid.
        At this stage even if they pull a miracle with an OS patch after the FX release, its not going to undo all the damage done in the past weeks from their silence, and specially not whats happening on the web in the past 48hours.

        Lets just hope AMD start to do some damage control…
        But then the launch date is less then 24hours away now, so I dont think their is any hope that AMD “gets it”

        BTW, AMD website has been showcasing some video processing editing software for the past weeks on the front page .
        No sign that they even make a FX processor and that it might be talk about on the 12th…

          • NeelyCam
          • 8 years ago

          With the rumors that yields are in the toilet, I wonder how well the three- and two-module chips perform vs. X4s and four-thread SBs… If those are doing badly, the situation is grim from revenue point of view.

          Actually, I’d be interested to see how well FX-4000 series does against Llano…

        • Waco
        • 8 years ago

        I don’t think any of them have the patch for the cache problems yet –

        [url<]http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-tip-commits/msg13140.html[/url<] [url<]http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1170214[/url<] Assuming Windows has the same issue with memory alignment we could be looking at a huge difference in speed...

          • NeelyCam
          • 8 years ago

          [quote<]Assuming Windows has the same issue with memory alignment[/quote<] Is that a valid assumption...?

            • Waco
            • 8 years ago

            I would think so. I highly doubt something like this is already in the Windows kernel (for security reasons). The security implications and the possibility of breaking a lot of things are why Linus doesn’t like the proposed patch so far.

            We’ll see in time I guess.

            • NeelyCam
            • 8 years ago

            Well, in that case I really hope for AMD’s sake that these chips aren’t coming out this Wednesday. It’ll just be an embarrassment if the chip performance is below expectations just because the software wasn’t patched..

            Sandy Bridge didn’t need performance patches when it was released.

            • Waco
            • 8 years ago

            It took a long time for Linux and Windows to schedule properly with HyperThreading. Early results were absolutely horrific until that was all sorted out.

            • NeelyCam
            • 8 years ago

            What matters is the competitive landscape [i<]right now[/i<]. You'll wait for 6mo for the BullDozer updates to arrive? Then BD is going against 22nm trigate IvyBridge... what do you think will happen then? This was AMD's window of opportunity, and they couldn't figure out how to open it.

            • Waco
            • 8 years ago

            I like how you pulled 6 months out of your ass. 🙂

            Let’s wait for the patch and the reviews, shall we?

            • NeelyCam
            • 8 years ago

            Yes I did. And yes we shall..

            But how long does the wait have to be? People have waited for BDs for 6mo already…

    • Arclight
    • 8 years ago

    [quote<]Lab501's AMD FX-8150 Bulldozer preview (in Romanian)[/quote<] Double facepalm, when one is just not enough to express the failure.

      • dragosmp
      • 8 years ago

      I’d wait for a real review before judging, but dam’. IPC is worse than Phenom II, Single Threads also worse, FP is complete bust.

      I hope for AMD and the sake of competition that lab501 had a bad BIOS bug or something else really held back that CPU’s performance. If not I wonder if an FX-8xxx can at least beat a similar priced Thuban x6, but it might be a tough chew by the looks of things.

        • Arclight
        • 8 years ago

        That IS a real review, even though they tested just 2 games….lab 501 is a reputable site. The results are catastrophic, as you said in some benchmarks it falls behind Phenom II…..

          • dragosmp
          • 8 years ago

          They were saying in the comments that we should expect in the next couple of days more game testing and things like that. Not disputing it’s a reputable site, that’s where I’ve read the best GPU VRM-related articles in the last few years, but they said themselves that they might expand the review a bit.

      • sschaem
      • 8 years ago

      I saw two issue that stood out: task power consumption and memory controller.

      But the review was kind of biased. “The processor is cheaper but you will endup spending more because you will have to buy a better cooler and be spending more on electricity”

      Actually for gaming the CPU might not be bad. I dont care if a CPU get 250fps instead of 170fps in a game if I have t spend an extra 100$ to get that… What matter is that its not CPU limited in native res and AA.
      Well, the other half is load time. Thats where I think the i7-2600k will earn its extra $100 price tag… with an SSD, I expect it to be ~30% faster.

      I would like to see the unigine benchmark using a Radeon vs GeForce. For all we know nVidia drivers used are not recognizing the CPU features correctly.

      Bright side. the FX-8150 can be within 5% of the i7-2600k in some thread heavy benchmark, even so its memory controller is totally bugged out. But the fact that its 30% slower in single threaded workload is no surprise.

      This is going to be an interesting week.

    • tbone8ty
    • 8 years ago

    [url<]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqTU4wVvZL0&feature=youtu.be[/url<] hahaha 🙂

      • Dygear
      • 8 years ago

      I love AMD, but that was funny as hell.

        • can-a-tuna
        • 8 years ago

        I love intel too but intel just SUCKS…*ahem*. Let’s continue work…

      • NeelyCam
      • 8 years ago

      Funny stuff!

        • NeelyCam
        • 8 years ago

        -1? I guess it was totally unfunny, then.

      • sschaem
      • 8 years ago

      All the numbers so far show the FX-8150 stock clock to be 15% slower at cinebench R11.5 vs a stock clock i7-2600k
      Since the FX-8150 is 30% cheaper its not to bad…

      But its unclear if R11.5 actually enable all the SSE/AVX optimization on this processor, and it surely doesn’t use FMA yet.

      So it could be a funny reversal is R11.7 actually show the FX-8150 to be within 5% of the i7-2600k 🙂

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