Wednesday Shortbread

Eight is Enough

  1. The Verge reports AMD still committed to x86
  2. [H]ard|OCP readers ask AMD Bulldozer questions
  3. Bloomberg reports chipmakers lose as iPad challenges computers
  4. DigiTimes: Windows-on-ARM platform to join notebook competition in June 2013
  5. The NY Times: Is Microsoft running out of time for tablets?
  6. DigiTimes reports Acer will not give up netbook market, says VP
  7. X-bit labs: Seagate cuts shipments forecast amid market uncertainties
  8. Engadget reports Microsoft enables Android and iOS

    users to experience Windows Phone 7… via the web


Wednesday

  1. Bloomberg: Facebook said to plan IPO at $100B valuation and Zynga

    is said to plan to market IPO to investors beginning Monday, Dec. 5

  2. The NY Times reports F.T.C. settles privacy issue at Facebook
  3. Reuters: AT&T in talks with Leap about divestitures: report
  4. WSJ reports Lenovo sets web-linked TV
  5. BCCHardware podcast #132
  6. Dealzon’s deals: $150 off 15.6” Toshiba Qosmio F755 i5-2430M / glasses-free 3D,

    $380 off 14” Toshiba P740D AMD A6-3400M, $240 coupon for Lenovo K330

    i7-2600 / GeForce GTX 460 / 12GB RAM, and $74 coupon for Lenovo Q150

    Atom mini PC

Mobile

  1. Fusible: Samsung files trademark for ‘Samsung Galaxy Sleek‘ smartphones and tablets
  2. Engadget: Kindle Fire gets first taste of CM7, needs work on its hand-eye coordination
  3. CrackBerry has video demo of rooted BlackBerry PlayBook
  4. AnandTech reviews Amazon Kindle Fire and Touch 3G
  5. Engadget’s Motorola Xoom 2 unboxing and first impressions (video)
  6. BGR: Nokia’s new flagship Windows Phone will hit U.S. in early 2012
  7. WMPoweruser: Sharp upward spike in WP7 Facebook users

    could mean 600,000 new Windows Phones sold in the 2 weeks

  8. The Verge: The latest SiriProxy hack controls an entire room
  9. Mac Rumors: Apple suppliers starting to ship 4″ screens for next iPhone?
  10. TUAW reports iFixit offers transparent rear panels
  11. iFixit’s Samsung Galaxy Nexus teardown
  12. Tweak.dk reports 3DMark benchmark coming to Android
  13. A new frontier for Google Maps: mapping the indoors
  14. DailyTech: Apple approves, then pulls illicit tethering app for iPhone

Software and gaming

  1. TechFlash: With Office 365, Microsoft ups the ante to compete with Google Apps
  2. HTML5 for applications: The fourth IE10 platform preview – IEBlog
  3. CCleaner 3.13.1600
  4. Engadget: Verizon details live FiOS TV service for Xbox 360, Kinect controls on tap
  5. Eurogamer has Batman: Arkham City DLC revealed
  6. Joystiq: Voltron defends the universe on XBLA and PSN this week
  7. KitGuru’s Need For Speed: The Run review (PC)

Hardware

  1. Björn3D and OCC review 750GB Seagate Momentus XT
  2. AnandTech, Guru3D, Hardware Canucks, Hardware Heaven, HotHardware,

    Legit Reviews, PCPer on Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448

  3. ocaholic and techPowerUp! review Asus GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448
  4. OC3D, techPowerUp!, and TweakTown review MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448
  5. Tweaknews on 27″ Samsung SyncMaster SA950 3D LED monitor
  6. Hardware Secrets reviews 850W NZXT HALE82 PSU
  7. Real World Labs on BitFenix Merc Alpha case
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    • Krogoth
    • 11 years ago

    X3960 and its kin are workstation-grade parts marketed as a “high-end” enthusiast product for epenis users that have more money than fiscal sense.

    i5-2500 and i7-2600 are practically as fast in the vast majority of desktop applications for a fraction of the platform cost and loaded power consumption. The normal SB chips are Intel’s current bread and butter in the CPU market. They are making a killing in the laptop arena.

    “Desktop-grade” SB-E parts are just beta-testing LGA2011 for the upcoming multi-socket Xeon platforms (This is where most of LGA2011 benefits come into play). They are also serve as “halo” products to make Intel’s desktop line-up look stronger.

    The future of performance CPUs lies solely within prosumer market (workstations/servers) where the demand for more computing power continues to be strong.

    • Bonusbartus
    • 11 years ago

    Although this first gen Bulldoze sucks big time, I do have to say I think it is great that they try to just start with an “entirelly new” architecture.
    Nvidia did this too, and their first gen cards wherent that great either.
    It is just that they are too slow or too low on resources to catch intel with everything they try…
    but to me it shows they’ve got some balls 😛

    • HisDivineOrder
    • 11 years ago

    Of course, AMD made decisions about who to fire based on the same criteria all businesses that are about to implode do… they fired the people making the most money.

    Unfortunately, they forgot to keep anyone who had been there a while, so they’ve got newbs writing out crap like that. They’d have been better keeping silent than responding to those questions in the way they did. It is better to be thought stupid than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

    AMD removed all our doubts about them. At long last, we can say with certainty that the war between Intel and AMD has ended; AMD is toast. Stick a fork in them.

    They’re done. Fortunately, they lasted long enough to get us to the time of the new war: x86 vs ARM.

    Let the battles begin anew…

    • JLW777
    • 11 years ago

    Meh, U can be happy with UR Q6600 till kingdom comes.
    1.) $1000 looks more impressive in form of a i3960x cpu then compared to a bank balance with $1000 extra.

    2.) I know that my curent usuage (game/Browsing/media) will NEVA utilize the 6 C/12T to the fullest but it damn sure feels good for Epeen purpose.

    3.) Epeen is equivalent to Ur gf (Assuming u have one) who wants the LV bag and those ridiculous shoes (Christian Lu-ba-thong) or something. The i3960x is considered a luxury item and if u don’t have needs for a monte blanc pen doesn’t mean that brand of merchandise is dying. Market for luxury items always will exist.

    Different view points. I know what I’m spending my bonuses on this Year.

    • oldog
    • 11 years ago

    Like WebOS? Vida infra (supra?).

    • Peldor
    • 11 years ago

    IMO, there’s zero chance Bulldozer is only 15 stages. AMD would have no reason to hold back discussing the length of their pipeline if that were the case.

    The actual quote is
    [quote<]The latest architectural advancements from both AMD and our competitors have incorporated advancements from deeper pipelines. The pipeline within our latest "Bulldozer" microarchitecture is approximately 25 percent deeper than that of the previous generation architectures.[/quote<] Note "both AMD and [Intel]" and "previous generation architectures" plural. He's not referring to K10 IMO. From what I've read, Nehalem is 16 (or more depending on who's counting) and Sandy Bridge can be shorter or longer depending on the micro-op cache hit/miss.

    • NeelyCam
    • 11 years ago

    My favorite:

    [quote<]"[b<][i<]9. Why did you make such design decisions as increasing the length of the pipeline in order to achieve higher clocks as opposed to going for efficiency? Were architecture choices that resulted in better IPC offsetting the gains from sharing parts within the CPU?[/i<][/b<] Mike Butler, Senior Fellow Design Engineer, AMD - The latest architectural advancements from both AMD and our competitors have incorporated advancements from deeper pipelines. The pipeline within our latest "Bulldozer" microarchitecture is approximately 25 percent deeper than that of the previous generation architectures. That deeper pipeline is a key technology advancement, providing record breaking frequencies and performance improvements."[/quote<] Has this guy been in a coma since Prescott came out?

    • UberGerbil
    • 11 years ago

    Yeah, that was my point (I mean, Beiber doesn’t even have the haircut anymore, does he?). And I liked the image.

    (Plus if I was really [i<]au courant[/i<], nobody here would get the references anyway 😉 )

    • jpostel
    • 11 years ago

    The original SemiAccurate article is still up. I think they realized that the article was OLD, as in May 2011.

    [url<]http://semiaccurate.com/2011/05/05/apple-dumps-intel-from-laptop-lines/[/url<]

    • xtalentx
    • 11 years ago

    Ha, Sorry about that. His blind MS hate pisses me off.. That’s probably his intent though..

    • indeego
    • 11 years ago

    re: Ugg/Beiber

    I may be wrong here but I believe even these two items are considered way out of date and certainly uncool. (That your point?) In my kids’ school “being a Beiber” is a low insult/joke.

    • UberGerbil
    • 11 years ago

    You’re right. They can’t beat Apple, but they don’t have to (nor are they in any position to try). There’s probably room for three major platforms: the carriers prefer to have choices, and that’s about the most that app developers will tolerate (“Get the mobile app for iPhone, Android, and… X”) Apple and Google have two of the spots locked up, so the question is really about that third spot. Right now Windows Phone would seem to have the edge, but only barely. That’s who HP would have to beat. As the old joke about running away from a bear goes, you don’t have to outrun the bear, just the next-slowest person in your group. And given Microsoft’s glacial pace, I would’ve given the old HP a shot. They could brand it separately (much as Google does with Android), or even just fall back on their old iPaq brand, and spin a more consumer-friendly image around it. They could throw money at developers. They could build some buzz. It would’ve been a stretch for the old HP, the most elderly of nerds trying to rock Ugg boots and a Beiber haircut, but they might have had a shot. The current, uber-verklempt and discombobulated zombie HP? Not a chance.

    • dpaus
    • 11 years ago

    [quote<]It will take more than a slick OS to beat Apple[/quote<] Totally agree (with everything you said, not just the quote). But I don't think that 'beat Apple' is (or even could be) the goal. But... HP has all the parts needed to beat Asus, Samsung, Acer, etc. in the tablet battle, and to go nose-to-nose with Amazon. And finally, like RIM, it's not necessary for HP to be #1 to be successful, but they [i<]do[/i<] have to have a solid and coherent mobile strategy/product for their enterprise clients. Frankly, right now, just having a coherent strategy seems to be a bit of a reach for them.

    • indeego
    • 11 years ago

    It will take more than a slick OS to beat Apple. You’ll need at least marketing and a “coolness” factor, something HP isn’t exactly on the cusp of really impressing anyone with. You also need a company that stands behind its products. Right now Apple is fully dedicated, Google seems dedicated but lacking the execution savvy, Microsoft is treading water here, RIM is dead to mass market, still has some specialized markets they’ll hang onto for a bit.

    At least Microsoft and Android have app ecosystems and developer ecosystems. What possible mobile developer would go with HP flip-flop time/money investment at this point?

    No, HP is in a bad spot here in terms of the WebOS shenanigans.

    • indeego
    • 11 years ago

    ? The first generation C2’s blew them away. I know this because that was the day I “switched teams” to Intel and haven’t looked back since.

    • indeego
    • 11 years ago

    We all know defaults usually stick. If 90% of a userbase has Metro geeks like us will need to deal with it daily, or if we don’t, get frustrated finding our way about its interface.

    • indeego
    • 11 years ago

    [i<]"Engadget reports Microsoft enables Android and iOS users to experience Windows Phone 7... via the web"[/i<] Everyone shrugs, moves on. This is what happens when you ignore or "delay" a very very important market for 3 years.

    • Vasilyfav
    • 11 years ago

    Somewhere along the line, big companies realized their PR could get away with spouting any bullshit (even though it wasn’t factually true), because later down the line they can always point to their own bullshit and say: hey, OUR OFFICIAL REP said it, so it MUST be true and appeal to their own authority on the issue.

    Such is the world of american PR

    • Vasilyfav
    • 11 years ago

    [quote<][H]ard|OCP readers ask AMD Bulldozer questions[/quote<] Based on the bullshit answers in the article, looks like AMD didn't fire enough PR people. Or at least some of them slipped through the cracks and are still spouting some of the most contrived lies I've seen to date.

    • Deanjo
    • 11 years ago

    Or they just realized that Charlie is full of crap.

    • Ringofett
    • 11 years ago

    Thought they fired PR? Quick and unfortunate respawn.

    Edit: Instantation is a new word for me, and the Fellow said:

    “The new CPU core delivers higher frequency while maintaining IPC”

    I stopped reading there. It switched from PRspeak to not at all being factually true, except in silly isolated cases. No point in reading further if they’re willing to be that misleading.

    • Ringofett
    • 11 years ago

    +1 for agreeing in regards to liking WP7 interface and would like Metro for a tablet, -1 for the fanboy-level of enthusiasm in describing it 😛

    • dpaus
    • 11 years ago

    I noticed that too – I’ll bet somebody said a bad word!

    • Deanjo
    • 11 years ago

    Hmmm, looks like the “Report: Apple notebooks to switch to ARM in 2013” article mysteriously disappeared.

    [url<]https://techreport.com/discussions.x/22081[/url<]

    • OneArmedScissor
    • 11 years ago

    Even for servers, they’ll have a new generation of GPGPU cards soon enough. CPUs are becoming just a hub for piping around all the information a few of those things will be able to spew out.

    On the database or otherwise idling, light load side of things, there’s still ARM/Bobcat/Atom SoCs waiting to bring about just as much of a paradigm shift. Different application, but it’s the same principle there. The CPU will just be a low latency hub for a massive amount of high speed storage.

    • dpaus
    • 11 years ago

    PreCentral reports that in an interview, Meg Whitman says “HP [url=http://www.precentral.net/whitman-decision-webos-come-in-next-two-weeks-<]needs to have another operating system[/url<]" and that they'll be announcing their decision on WebOS in the next two weeks. If they're paying any attention to Apple, they'll keep WebOS, and put some real resources into it. If they decide to go with Android instead, they'll quickly find their products in the 'me too' final-discount bin. EDIT: in hindsight, it's a damn shame they missed out on buying QNX when they had the chance - the WebOS GUI and programming model running on a QNX core would have been awesome

    • Krogoth
    • 11 years ago

    Because high-end X86 desktop market is a dying breed. Intel doesn’t care about it either, the current SB-E chips are just beta-testing the LGA2011 platform (servers/workstation).

    The new trend in this arena is making the most power efficient design. Intel has all of the aces.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 11 years ago

    More like the high-end x86 market left AMD.

    • khands
    • 11 years ago

    More like they’re admitting they cannot compete there anymore, like they haven’t been able to since the second generation Core 2 proc’s came out.

    • xtalentx
    • 11 years ago

    [quote<] WMPoweruser: Sharp upward spike in WP7 Facebook users could mean 600,000 new Windows Phones sold in the 2 weeks [/quote<] I think it's at least 600,000! I play 4 multiplayer games on my WP7 phone and they are pretty much setup that anyone can queue me up for a game. It's been out of control for the last week! I am going to have to figure out how to limit how many active games I can have. Also both new "flagship" devices are massively back-ordered (mine included). The future is looking good for WP7.

    • xtalentx
    • 11 years ago

    Way to speak from ignorance! Did you know that, that dreaded Metro interface can be turned off and your desktop will look almost exactly like Windows 7?! OMG I KNOW!! Who’da thought that Microsoft would know what they are doing!??!

    Also did you know that in EVERY consumer testing most people tested preferred the metro interface over a static grid of icon like iPhone or Android has?? (I know I switched to mobile from desktop). Do some googling – people like Metro, Again, OMG! REALLY?! A multi-billion dollar company might actually have a clue?!?!

    • bittermann
    • 11 years ago

    They will still produce the fastest x86 chips they can for the price/performance/tdp but will not go toe to toe with Intel’s high end range, because they can’t.

    • srg86
    • 11 years ago

    Well the fact that the L1D is only write-through is is definitely interesting. afaik, this is the first x86 processor to have only write-through L1 since the 486 days.

    • Flatland_Spider
    • 11 years ago

    I couldn’t read the article Hard OCP article. There was too much PR crap to stomach. For every question, there is one sentence that answers the question, which something someone honestly wrote, and a paragraph of junk that sounds like boilerplate PR buzzword soup.

    It’s good idea, but the execution is insulting.

    • Waco
    • 11 years ago

    I’m still hoping for the explanation being a cache bug or something similarly “easy” to fix in the next iteration.

    • FuturePastNow
    • 11 years ago

    And

    [quote<]We are also working with Microsoft on a scheduler update for Windows 7 that will be available soon.[/quote<]

    • dpaus
    • 11 years ago

    LOL – I actually remember some California company in the 80s designing jeans with two big clear-plastic panels where back pockets should have been. They then proceeded to manufacture and sell them in horribly inappropriate sizes.

    • dragosmp
    • 11 years ago

    About the only piece of information in [H]’s AMD Q&A article is that Bulldozer’s integer pipeline is “about” 25% longer (Q9). K10 has 12 stages, which leaves Bulldozer with 15 stages. Previous estimates were around 20. Correct me if I’m wrong, but if it has only 15 integer stages, it means the explanation for the low IPC falls even more on the shared L1D writhe-thru design + L2’s high latency and/or not-so-good prefetch.

    /back to the rest of the articles

    • Jigar
    • 11 years ago

    So AMD is leaving the X86 high end market ?

    • PeterD
    • 11 years ago

    “The NY Times: Is Microsoft running out of time for tablets?”

    They’re too late for this year’s Xmas. That will kill them.
    In the meantime, desktop users will have to face that dreaded Metro interface most of them don’t want an don’t have any use for – contrary to what fanboys say.

    • sschaem
    • 11 years ago

    Is the hocp article a joke? if not, I cant believe those are the people left at AMD 🙁 this company is doomed…

    • UberGerbil
    • 11 years ago

    I’m not going to say what rears I was imagining those transparent panels were for, but I will say I was disappointed.

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