Windows 8 may have Flash in Metro after all

Last September, after many months of unwavering HTML5 advocacy, Microsoft announced that the Metro version of Internet Explorer in Windows 8 wouldn’t support Adobe Flash—or any other third-party plug-ins, for that matter.

Fast forward eight months, and it looks like Microsoft may have chosen to compromise. A forum post on the WinUnleaked.tk forums, which has been picked up by everyone from Engadget to Paul Thurrott of Windows IT Pro, says the Metro version of IE is now expected to feature built-in Flash support. Along with a few screenshots, the forum post says the following:

Adobe Flash player is included in the Release Preview, Adobe shared the "source code" with Microsoft. Internet Explorer Immersive will coming with flash too.

Microsoft’s rationale for excluding Flash was, in the company’s words, that a plug-in free experience "improves battery life as well as security, reliability, and privacy for consumers." What’s changed? Perhaps not as much as you think. As Thurrott points out, Microsoft isn’t really breaking its own rule: "By making Flash a part of IE 10," Thurrott says, "[Microsoft] can ensure the code meets its own standards for reliability, compatibility, security, and, probably most important, performance."

As long as everything works as it should—and Microsoft can deliver timely Flash security updates—then I suppose it’s all for the best. For better or for worse, the web is choc-full of Flash content, including ugly Flash-only websites that aren’t usable without the plug-in. HTML5 may be superior in a lot of respects, but advocacy shouldn’t trump practicality.

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    • Bensam123
    • 7 years ago

    In other metro news…

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    • rrr
    • 7 years ago

    What’s the problem with Flash? Just because most cannot program in it properly and end up doing enormous resource hogs, doesn’t mean entire technology is flawed.

      • crabjokeman
      • 7 years ago

      You’ve never used Linux, have you?

        • rrr
        • 7 years ago

        Actually, numerous times. No, never had a problem with Flash there.

      • blitzy
      • 7 years ago

      flash haters are ignorant hippies 😛

      how can you have a problem with flash, and not have a problem with javascript? it’s such a pos. flash capabilities far exceed what can be done in html5, but people want to be critical because bad developers make crappy menus ads and popups in flash. guess what, the same annoying stuff will come along in html5 once there is no alternative.

      • Ashbringer
      • 7 years ago

      Apple choose to not support flash on iOS devices because flash can compete with the app store. The same maybe true for Windows 8.

      A lot of apps you buy on the app store was originally created in flash.

    • albundy
    • 7 years ago

    its funny that they assume people will use IE in the first place. They are outta their freakin minds if they think I will use their malware magnet of a browser.

      • Corrado
      • 7 years ago

      If you’d have actually used IE9, you’d know that it is VERY fast, just as secure as any of the other browsers, and actually uses less battery on a mobile device than other browsers. Theres no indication that IE9 is, in any way, more or less vulnerable to malware than any other browser.

      That said, I still used FF13.

        • albundy
        • 7 years ago

        Yeah, well, its activeX that i have a problem with, and its easily manipulated to allow the worst of the worst in. NEVER again IE for me. when a keylogger is installed and your AV software disabled in the background, and your bank account is later emptied, then you will understand real pain of using this POS browser.

    • jdaven
    • 7 years ago

    Its good to see that one company (adobe) is still keeping the internet in the 90s. NOT! When will companies stop being held hostage by an obsolete piece of software.

      • l33t-g4m3r
      • 7 years ago

      Boy are you off. It happens to be 5-24-2012, and if you think otherwise, perhaps you should patent this so called time-machine. Flash is still around because there isn’t anything else that can honestly replace it. Now I say honestly, because companies like apple aren’t honest, nor did they find a substitute to replace flash.

        • Decelerate
        • 7 years ago

        The App Store would like to call you out on that. There’s a reason why Flash is being phased out on mobile/tablet, and that’s called “substitution”.

          • mcnabney
          • 7 years ago

          Ah yes, trading one proprietary open system for a proprietary closed system. Clear improvement. Well, it is an improvement if you are an Apple shareholder.

          • l33t-g4m3r
          • 7 years ago

          Elaborate. Specifically how does an App Store replace flash? I’d also rather not pay apple tax to watch videos, or anything else. Same with Microsoft. I don’t like the concept of buying programs through the OS vendor, who charges distribution fees and controls/censors what’s available.

        • yogibbear
        • 7 years ago

        Hey there it is the 24-05-2012 or the 2012-05-24 but it is CERTAINLY NOT the 05-24-2012 that is the MOST ILLOGICAL DATE FORMAT EVER!

          • crabjokeman
          • 7 years ago

          It’s not really illogical per se (you read it as May 24th, 2012). However, as with the whole metric/imperial thing, it’s confusing when the world can’t agree on a standard for such a simple thing.

          Oh, and turn off your damn caps lock..

          • l33t-g4m3r
          • 7 years ago

          Huh, that’s what Microsoft uses in the system tray, go tell them that.

            • BlackStar
            • 7 years ago

            Not if you live in the civilized world.

            • l33t-g4m3r
            • 7 years ago

            There is no civilized world, it’s just a myth like Santa.

          • BobbinThreadbare
          • 7 years ago

          It’s not illogical once you realize that humans are not computers.

    • TEAMSWITCHER
    • 7 years ago

    The only thing MS hopes to achieve by keeping Flash around is to slow iOS and Android adoption rates – because Apple and Google have already moved past Flash. This is nothing but another desperate attempt to hold back the entire Internet so that Microsoft can better compete. Go F yourself MS, I only use Chrome!

      • Firestarter
      • 7 years ago

      [quote<]I only use Chrome![/quote<] *with built-in Flash, just like IE10 on Metro

        • sweatshopking
        • 7 years ago

        and google hasn’t “moved past”. The default android browser still supports flash, and it was adobe, not google who decided it was time to kill mobile flash.

    • l33t-g4m3r
    • 7 years ago

    I don’t know where people get this idea that Microsoft wasn’t “supporting” flash, or 3rd-party plugins. The real reason flash/X wasn’t supported was that Metro Apps run in WinRT, and you’d have to reprogram flash/X for WinRT. There currently is no WinRT version of flash or any other plugins. Now that Adobe has given Microsoft the source code, Microsoft is going to have it’s own custom version of flash compiled specifically for WinRT.

    That whole, “improves battery life as well as security, reliability, and privacy for consumers.” was merely a brainwashing propaganda line for the stupid masses, which basically is an euphemism for less is more. I also don’t trust Microsoft any more than adobe to honor your privacy either. Sorry, but not everybody is that braindead. It’s like saying linux doesn’t support flash in lynx, because it helps improve battery life. No, that’s a bunch of bull.

    Now that Microsoft has scammed the code out from adobe, what point is there for adobe to own flash anymore? Might as well sell it or go open source. If there ever was a time that Microsoft deserved to be hit by the regulators, it would be now.

    • tanker27
    • 7 years ago

    Jesus I wish Flash would diaf.

      • mcnabney
      • 7 years ago

      It would cause too much of disturbance if Flash just disappeared. It just needs to be put out to pasture slowly so that businesses can adapt to newer and more efficient systems like HTML5.

      • crabjokeman
      • 7 years ago

      It’s dying the slow, agonizing death it deserves.

      • l33t-g4m3r
      • 7 years ago

      I wish apple zealots would diaf, but all the wishing in the world won’t make it happen. Go program a replacement.

    • codedivine
    • 7 years ago

    Not mentioned in the post, but my understanding is that it will only allow Flash content from websites whitelisted by MS, at least under Metro mode.

      • fellix
      • 7 years ago

      Well, I hope at least YouTube will be on that white list, as their HTML5 player is still quasi-functional (although it’s the only way to watch 60FPS videos).

        • superjawes
        • 7 years ago

        I don’t think Youtube would be a problem. iOS fires up QuickTime to play those videos, so even if you didn’t have flash, your YouTube videos would still work, assuming that you have something like QT or WMP to play the content.

      • indeego
      • 7 years ago

      Ad networks contain flash, and can and have contained malware. This won’t work.

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