Poll: What will happen first?

It’s time to peer into our crystal balls and predict the future. There are a number of things in the tech industry that should—or at least could—happen before the year ends. Hard drive prices are on track to return to pre-flooding levels eventually, TSMC is working to resolve 28-nm GPU supply issues, Nvidia’s compute-focused Big Kepler GPU is ready for duty in a GeForce graphics card, Ivy Bridge promises $600 ultrabooks, and AMD has an ultraportable answer in the form of its 17W Trinity APU. Windows 8 is coming out, too, and there’s a chance enthusiasts might embrace the final product.

The question is: which one of those things will happen first? You can cast your vote below or in the middle column on the front page. Hell freezing over isn’t an option, but enthusiasts flocking to Win8 is probably close enough.

It’s tempting to include something about the demise of 1366×768 displays in notebooks, but odds are that won’t happen for a long while. Thankfully, higher-DPI panels are slowly trickling into mobile PCs. That’s not where TR readers are itching to get them, though. In our last poll, only 17% of voters indicated they want a high-DPI display most on their notebook. The majority (55%) would prefer extra pixels on their desktop monitor. 13% of voters most want a high-DPI panel for their television, which is more than the 8% and 7% that voted for smartphones and tablets, respectively.

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    • Buzzard44
    • 7 years ago

    New poll, please!

    I really like the polls. The 3 month old polls that haven’t shown any interest in 2.5 months, not so much.

    • gmskking
    • 7 years ago

    What will happen first?

    A. Aliens invade Planet Earth
    B. We all die from radiation poisoning
    C. Yellowstone blows it lid
    D. Sun burns us alive
    E. Black hole swallows the solar system
    F. Earth spontaneously implodes, then explodes
    G. TechReport updates their poll

    • gmskking
    • 7 years ago

    Good job updating your polls…

    • Draphius
    • 7 years ago

    win 8 will never be embraced!!

    • rrr
    • 7 years ago

    Radeon 7k cards are 28 nm based too and they seem to be in decent stock. So it’s pretty easy one.

    • anotherengineer
    • 7 years ago

    You mean there is no selection for the Cnd Government to implement austerity measures on it’s costs/employees?

    That could happen before HDD prices are back to pre-flood levels 😉

    • gmskking
    • 7 years ago

    Well, I cannot tell you which is going to happen first. However, I can tell you what will happen last. And that will be me giving a shit. 🙂

    • Silus
    • 7 years ago

    One of the poll’s options makes no sense! Scott himself already mentioned that a GeForce using GK110 will only happen this year, as a counter to anything AMD releases that may challenge NVIDIA in the high-end desktop graphics market.
    So the option should actually be, will AMD release anything to challenge NVIDIA in the high-end this year ?

    • jjj
    • 7 years ago

    the choice was easy:
    HDD prices won’t drop to pre flood levels soon simply because there are only 3 players left.Per gig prices will drop at some point next year because of higher density platters but not average pricing per drive.
    28nm supply at TSMC won’t be fully ok before q1 next year but depending on how you interpret the question GPU supply could be ok a lot sooner.
    i still think k110 will come with win 8 in q4 ,too many high profile games around that time and no reason not to exploit the holiday spending.
    IB ultrabooks at 600 maybe with deals on BF but that’s US only
    17W Trinity is almost here
    Win 8 ….maybe if they update it to allow us to disable Metro.

    • End User
    • 7 years ago

    Windows 8 Release Preview may go live as soon as tomorrow (May 31). Based on what I have seen I think it looks pretty good (many changes since Consumer Preview). As a PC enthusiast I’m going to install it on my new build ASAP. I’m going to make it my primary OS.

      • Airmantharp
      • 7 years ago

      Please let us know how it goes, and specifically, why we should upgrade from 7.

        • End User
        • 7 years ago

        Don’t you have a spare drive/rig to try it yourself?

          • Airmantharp
          • 7 years ago

          Sure, but I have no real interest in messing with something that already works, which is why I’m asking.

          Every other Windows version in the last 10 years has brought something to the table- Windows 8 brings, Metro?

            • End User
            • 7 years ago

            Are you a PC enthusiast or do you just pretend to be one on TR? Just pop in a spare drive and be done with it.

            • Dr_b_
            • 7 years ago

            You could also install it on a VM, but don’t bother, it’s not worth it, and it’s not an “enthusiast” OS.

            • End User
            • 7 years ago

            I’ll compare Windows 8 under a VM and via a native boot. I’m not sure how the new hot corners in a multi display VM will work.

            • d34thly
            • 7 years ago

            Perhaps He’s the kind of enthusiast, like me, who prefers to put his limited time into something like gaming, overclocking, benchmarking, modding, building, exploiting or programming. I don’t think anyone actually equates loading the latest Microsoft OS onto a PC as an “enthusiast” action (if they do, then everyone I know is an “enthusiast” including my 87 year-old grandma).

            • End User
            • 7 years ago

            Nope. Not like you. He does not want to mess with his system.

            I rank a new OS right up there with “gaming, overclocking, benchmarking, modding, building, exploiting or programming”.

            • BobbinThreadbare
            • 7 years ago

            Yes, since you rank it like that, he must too right? Everyone is exactly the same and has the same priorities.

            • Airmantharp
            • 7 years ago

            I actually agree with you here; the thing is, it’s not really a *new* OS, and neither was 7. 7 offered tangible benefits, such as much needed technology for SSDs and quicker load/shutdown times; 8 just looks like an unneeded UI enhancement, so far.

            • End User
            • 7 years ago

            I was appalled by the Consumer Preview. The Preview Release looks to be a totally different beast on the desktop [url<]http://goo.gl/dCs7Q[/url<] I'm about to install it a SSD equipped dual 27" setup. I'm expecting great things.

            • smilingcrow
            • 7 years ago

            Win8 has plenty of new features more so than Win7 had versus Vista I suspect. A lot of people will miss out on those due to Metro Fear or MF for short.
            Coincidently MF is also is an acronym for what many people say on first using Metro as in the phrase ‘Mother f***ing Microsoft Metro bulls***’ or MF MS Metro BS for short. 🙂
            Too early to say how compelling the new features are versus the potential nuisance factor of Metro.

            • Airmantharp
            • 7 years ago

            List please? We know about Metro. It doesn’t deter me from Windows 8, rather, it’s just not something I need.

            • smilingcrow
            • 7 years ago

            Plenty of very detailed info on the web, I’m not your butler. 🙂

    • brucethemoose
    • 7 years ago

    How about “Graphics card prices will return to earth”.

    The GTX 680 die (294mm^2) is nearly 1/2 the size of GTX 480/580 (529mm^2) and the GTX 280 (576mm^2). In fact, it’s smaller than the 560 TI chip.

    So why does the GTX 680 cost MORE than cards with 2x the die size and 1.5x the number of memory chips did at launch? The 280, 480, and 680 were built on relatively new processes (though AMD did release cards on those processes first). GDDR5 has only gotten cheaper. We all know 480 yields were horrendous, and the 280 wasn’t problem free either.

    AMD’s cards on cutting edge processes like the 4870 and 5870 weren’t nearly as expensive as the 7970, either. Call me crazy, but prices seem a little… crazy.

      • Silus
      • 7 years ago

      That’s why it’s called “supply issues”. Despite AMD’s lies, they are having as many problems with 28nm supply as anyone else that uses that process @ TSMC and the high prices reflect that.

        • Hattig
        • 7 years ago

        Actually the issue is that 28nm wafers simply cost a lot to buy and process. Cost per mm^2 of silicon is far higher for 28nm than 40nm is currently, even before you consider yield issues (which do appear to be mostly an NVIDIA issue, unless you can point me to a source stating AMD and Qualcomm are having significant problems too).

        I’m sure 28nm yields aren’t great across the board, but there’s a big difference between 20% yield and 50% yield. I would imagine that TSMC are working on improving overall yields as well as getting the wafer costs lower. When that happens – cheaper graphics cards.

          • Silus
          • 7 years ago

          It’s incredible how you conclude that “it appears it’s mostly a NVIDIA issue”…it takes 2 seconds to google for other companies complaining about TSMC 28 nm supply issues…

          [url<]http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2012/04/19/qualcomm-28nm-capacity/1[/url<] And you said it: "TSMC are working on improving overall yields as well"...that is after all one of the fab's responsibilities. even though some ignorant folk like to ignore that as well. Still, the problem is mostly related with supply and not yields. TSMC just has too many "large" customers for 28 nm and can't cope with all the order, so it's supply constrained.

            • Hattig
            • 7 years ago

            Capacity Issues != Yield Issues.

            And whatever you think about SemiAccurate, Charlie is usually proved correct in the end a lot of the time, even for the Nvidia reports. Fact is, there aren’t a lot of 680s out there, and it is said that even the 660 will be using recovered GK104s, which indicates a poor yield of fully working dies.

            • Silus
            • 7 years ago

            Yes I know! But capacity issues are the only ones we know about. I requested for some source on the supposed yield issues that affect ONLY NVIDIA in another post, but of course I didn’t get one…

            I’ve been asking for a long time now, about these things Charlie is proved correct…Care to point me to them ? And I can even make a bet…for each thing you find he got right, I’ll show you 2 (or more if you want) that he got wrong.
            The dumb following of that idiot is precisely why people like you give credit to whatever he says, especially when it’s clear he has an agenda against NVIDIA and pro-AMD, probably even on AMD’s payroll (if the ads for AMD products in his site, or the constant pro-AMD-product articles aren’t proof enough).

            Also if the GTX 660 Ti indeed uses a harvested GK104 die (which is a rumor at this point), is only an indication that GK106 (also rumored to be about half a GK104) is not enough to compete with the HD 7870.

          • Silus
          • 7 years ago

          Forgot to ask for a source on NVIDIA’s yield problems too. And I do mean problems, not what NVIDIA said in their 10-Q about how yields are lower than what they expected, which doesn’t mean a problem unless you assume way too much!

          And please spare me of the semiaccurate BS…

        • clone
        • 7 years ago

        of course the counter to that is my ability to buy multiple HD 7xxx series cards from numerous vendors while I can’t find any Nivdia GTX 6xx cards……

        supply issues affecting only one company?….. does TSMC favor AMD, why is the problem limited to Nvidia.

          • Silus
          • 7 years ago

          Yeah too bad for you that there are sources indicating that Kepler based graphics cards are beating Southern Islands based graphics cards, by 4 to 1 in sales:

          [url<]http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/Nvidia_GTX_670/16.html[/url<] It's called supply and demand. If supply is constrained (which we know due to TSMC's capacity issues) and demand is high, you'll have problems in keeping things in stock. This is basic stuff, don't know why it's so hard to understand... AMD can have their cards in stock, because 1) They launched their cards first, so the initial spree to get them is over for a long time now 2) NVIDIA's Kepler based graphics cards are in much higher demand than the Southern Islands are now

            • clone
            • 7 years ago

            that’s not too bad for me actually, I haven’t bought either and don’t plan on buying either.

            you keep saying “it’s supply and demand” and if you keep thinking on a basic level I understand why you’ve so little insight to offer up.

            the market for $400 cards is vapor, the sweet spot is $200 and their is no Kepler in the “sweet spot” which means while yes Nvidia is selling more 670’s than AMD is 7850’s and 70’s the reality is they aren’t selling many cards.

        • brucethemoose
        • 7 years ago

        [url<]http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20091030PD209.html[/url<] [url<]http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/18876-amd-confesses-ati-radeon-hd-4770-supply-problems/[/url<] [url<]http://semiaccurate.com/2010/02/17/nvidias-fermigtx480-broken-and-unfixable/[/url<] [url<]http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1029372/nvidia-gtx260-280-revealed[/url<] Whenever there's a card on a new process, there are ALWAYS supply issues. But sub 300mm^2 cards should never hit the $550 price point, no matter how bad things are. The much larger GTX 480 was much, much more problematic, with more expensive memory yet it was never quite as expensive overall. I'm not saying it's price fixing, but...

      • rrr
      • 7 years ago

      Maybe because it performs a lot better? Costs of making the card aren’t full story, what’s wrong with letting companies make some money of their new efficient designs? Or are you feeling entitled enough to think that every card must be priced just a bit above what it costs to be made, regardless of what it actually brings to the table?

        • brucethemoose
        • 7 years ago

        In a competitive market, that’s exactly what’s supposed to happen.

    • danny e.
    • 7 years ago

    Based on the results, many people are not reading the question correctly. It is what will happen first, not what will happen last.
    .. and that last option says “PC enthusiasts” not “phone toting 12 year old”.

    • jazper
    • 7 years ago

    Predictions for the future:

    1. CPU processing power becomes irrelevant for the common man (already there w/quicksync being so readily available for video compression, and Diablo 3 rarely pushes my current chip out of power saving/speedstep). The final frontier for applied cpu power is file compression/network performance this will eventually be moved to custom fit hardware.

    2. Feature creep begins to happen to CPUs as more and more gets implemented on chip

    3. Thermal envelopes decrease to the point where atom/low power cpus become irrelevant.

    4. Graphics cards reach the point that they are so powerful they can perform real time ray tracing

    5. Like Graphics cards in Virtu – CPUs become virtualised and this becomes the new normal.

    6. Operating systems become increasingly modular and cloud based. (MacOS, Ubuntu and Win 8 are good examples of this)

    7. Computers become increasingly modular to the point where your phone can become your desktop processor and storage module (example: Motorola Atrix)

    8. 3d projection technology takes off and becomes the new normal for most 3d apps.

      • UberGerbil
      • 7 years ago

      [quote<]8. 3d projection technology takes off and becomes the new normal for most 3d apps.[/quote<]From what launching pad does this happen?

        • sweatshopking
        • 7 years ago

        THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION.

        • Palek
        • 7 years ago

        And what is “3D projection technology” exactly?

          • UberGerbil
          • 7 years ago

          That was what I was getting at. For something to “take off,” it has to be something first.

    • yogibbear
    • 7 years ago

    The cheese economy melts into obscurity.

      • UberGerbil
      • 7 years ago

      Well, what do you expect. It was feta.

    • Bensam123
    • 7 years ago

    PC enthusiasts will embrace Win8!

    I’d like to see monitors with native 120hz inputs before any of the above though. As in you select 120hz resolution through frequencies like you used to be able to do with CRTs. Not interpreted 120hz by the monitor with a 60hz input or 3D 120hz, true 120hz input.

      • smilingcrow
      • 7 years ago

      Just buy a 120Hz 3D monitor and use it in 2D mode at that refresh rate; that’s been possible for ages.

        • Bensam123
        • 7 years ago

        From what I’ve read not all 3D monitors work at 120hz, they only work in 3D mode supported specifically by the graphics card. Some with Nvidias version and some with AMDs version. Go look at the reviews on Newegg, they’re all a jumbled mess of confusion.

        120hz TVs also have issues with this, most don’t even support 120hz input. They just support 120hz interpretation of a 60hz signal (they fill in the frames themselves).

          • Airmantharp
          • 7 years ago

          You’re right, though I think that most (if not all) modern ‘3D’ monitors do support 120Hz input. As for TVs, well, good luck with that.

            • Bensam123
            • 7 years ago

            Yeah, HDMI doesn’t support signaling higher then 60hz so it pretty much fubars that approach. Surprisingly or not so much, DVI still supports 120hz over the cable. I’m not completely sure about Displayport, but I think that’s also limited to 60hz.

            • Airmantharp
            • 7 years ago

            It depends on the version I think- newer versions of HDMI and DP seem to support ever increasing bandwidths.

            • Bensam123
            • 7 years ago

            Holy negative votes batman. Whose cheerios did you piss in today Air?

          • smilingcrow
          • 7 years ago

          I’m aware that not all 3D monitors support 120Hz which is why I suggesting buying one that is. 🙂
          As for which ones support 120Hz in 2D mode that is something I know nothing about. As always when dealing with a relatively esoteric requirement it is best to do due diligence.

    • UberGerbil
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]PC enthusiasts embrace Win8[/quote<]So this is the new "cheese" option?

      • Flatland_Spider
      • 7 years ago

      We gotta have something since Duke Nukem 4 shipped.

    • brute
    • 7 years ago

    all of these will happen before GM produces a pickup worth buying

      • Deanjo
      • 7 years ago

      My 1980 Chev pickup begs to differ. 1 million k and counting…

        • brute
        • 7 years ago

        new GM**. post bailout.

          • Airmantharp
          • 7 years ago

          Did they break them? Haven’t looked at trucks in a while. Ford’s Ecoboost F150 is tempting though!

            • brute
            • 7 years ago

            They didn’t really break them. They’ve got the weakest 1/2 ton powerplants available. The interiors feel cheap, and they simply aren’t up to snuff with Ford and Dodge (shudder at that last one).

            Their 5.3L (Competes with Ecoboost) has 335 ftlbs @ 4000 or so. Ecoboost throws down 420 at 2500 and carries it. I think 90% of peak torque on EB is available from 1500 or so. The Ford 5.0 (Competes with the 4.8) throws down 380 @ 4250, but it starts pulling HARD once you hit 2500-3000. Chevys also come standard with 4 speeds, and drum brakes are standard. HP numbers are 5.3: 315, EB: 365, 5.0: 360, 4.8: 302 [i think]. The Dodge 5.7L throws down 390 (soon to be 395).

            The Ecoboost gets decent mileage, but reported mileage from owners is underwhelming as hell! I’m sure it’d be great for use in higher altitudes.

            Check out the new 5.0L. That engine is suite. Executive style.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            As soon as you go to the 5.3 you get a 6 speed as standard. There is also the Chevy 6.2 l @ 417.

            Edit 2: Feel of the interiors is subjective, to me the fit and finish in the new Fords is abysmal (squeak like hell too).

            • Airmantharp
            • 7 years ago

            I’d think that the guys reporting lower mileage on the Ecoboost engines are probably using the ‘boost’ function a little too much :).

            Or they may just be actually using the trucks. Either way, it’s probably the most efficient option for a 1500-series pickup today.

            • anotherengineer
            • 7 years ago

            My uncle owns 2 fords (both new), one eco v6 and one v8, v8 is one year older and get the same mileage as the eco boost v6.

            He said he will get another v8 next time (mainly for sound) since mileage isn’t really different.

            • clone
            • 7 years ago

            guy I know with the Ford Eco Boost engine is getting good mileage, depends on how aggressive the driver is, his spends most of it’s time on the highway and hauling light loads at most.

            everyone I know with the 2009 or newer Dodge absolutely loves them bar none.

            I haven’t heard of reliability issues with the Chevy’s but have heard criticisms that they just aren’t on par with the other 2, Toyota isn’t in the running and surprisingly Nissan’s titan has been and is constantly being criticized for quality issues although I know of no one personally who owns one.

          • Deanjo
          • 7 years ago

          I have zero issues with the new ones either, the 2003 or the 2011.

            • brute
            • 7 years ago

            Every guy I know who has had a chevy has had a ton of problems. I can’t say the same for Ford (barring the 6.0L and 6.4L International catastrophes) or Dodge. Mostly because I live in an area that is VERY Chevy biased. Fords and Dodges are relatively rare.

            edit: Dodge is so few because I know maybe 1 guy who has one. I know a few guys with Fords. Everyone else is in a Chevy.

            edit2: Read my powertrain comment. Chevys are WAY behind the curve.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            Exact opposite experience here and every single one of the trucks does a lot of heavy hauling/trailering meanwhile it seems that every guy at work are constantly having issues with their dodge and fords.

            • indeego
            • 7 years ago

            edit3: Disclaimer: Anecdotal evidence is cursory.

            • brute
            • 7 years ago

            edit4: see edit2

            • BobbinThreadbare
            • 7 years ago

            Dodge’s have by far the worst reliability in my experiences.

            • Hurstmeister
            • 7 years ago

            I having owned them all I have had the least problems with Chevy trucks.

            I have 2 now, a 2004 Z60/Z82 Silverado with 266k and counting. Water pump started leaking at 140k, replaced and bearing went out in Alt 2 months ago,.. still worked fine, just couldnt take the noise. Other then that,.. no mechanical issues ever. Used it regularly to pull my 20ft car trailer for years. 5.3 V8 that gets an honest 20 mpg when driven respectfully. My 18 year old son daily drives it. No full size Ford or Dodge ever did that for me. I have owned a 97 F150, 2001 F150, 2003 Dodge was the worst,.. traded it in after only 8 months.

            I also have a 2010 Z60 4 door Silverado which also has the smaller 5.3. 31k miles and loving it.

            Problem with many people is that they just want to get in and drive. Neglecting regular maintenance schedules. How many people here do regular tranny fluid and filter changes? How many here will change rear end and differential fluids? How many will grease all suspension and drive line fittings regularly on their truck?

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      [quote<]all of these will happen before any pickup is worth buying[/quote<] FTFY

        • d34thly
        • 7 years ago

        +1! My vehicle gets better mileage than any of yours. I bike(bicycle) to work every day. It’s a 14 mile (7 each way) round trip, but it only takes about an hour out of my day and keeps me fit like a 20 year-old.

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      TRUCK PEEN!!!!!

      oh AND JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, I GOT MY WISDOM PULLED AND I’M IN PAIN. THOUGHT THAT MIGHT PUT A SMILE ON SOMEBODIES FACE.

        • Airmantharp
        • 7 years ago

        It did :).

        But why are you in pain? Even the back-asswards US Navy gave me decent enough medication for that procedure. And mine were pretty bad.

          • sweatshopking
          • 7 years ago

          no medication was given. he said i could take a tylenol if i was a baby.

            • Airmantharp
            • 7 years ago

            You’re in Canada, right?

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            yeah. but my sense of manliness prevents me from taking any painkillers.

            • Airmantharp
            • 7 years ago

            Your wisdom teeth must have been easy to remove then. My bottom pair had to be drilled out piece-by-piece. Top ones were easy enough though.

            • clone
            • 7 years ago

            after stumbling across this convo I just remembered I got no meds when they pulled mine either, and my wisdoms got pulled with the dentist using vice grips.

            • Airmantharp
            • 7 years ago

            That’s what they use :).

            And that means yours were easy…

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            mine came out reasonably easy. He pushed on them with a screw driver thing, and then pliers. Fully erupted. Real men have real big manly teeth.

            • Airmantharp
            • 7 years ago

            I’m glad they were that easy. From experience, having someone drill teeth out bit by bit next to a nerve isn’t fun (though I endured it well, according to the doc).

            • UberGerbil
            • 7 years ago

            Right, where the Tylenol contains codeine.

            But if you do a good job of controlling the inflammation, you shouldn’t need painkillers. Of course that means seemingly stupid amounts of Ibuprofen taken regularly (including waking up a couple of times a night to take more, and also have to eat because you can’t do that on an empty stomach) but that’s how I did it.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            only tylenol 2 and 3 have codeine. Not taking any of those. not on anything, cause i’m a real man. no ibuprofen either. i’ll use the powers of my muscles to get through this.

            • Geistbar
            • 7 years ago

            Real men are willing to acknowledge when we would benefit from the assistance of something else, and use that something else. It’s the babies that refuse to let something help them in the hope of showing off how manly they are.

            So, man up and take some painkillers.

            • UberGerbil
            • 7 years ago

            Exactly. Man comes from [i<]manus[/i<], Latin for hand. Hands that enable us to craft and use tools. Tools that make us something other than dumb animals (though some other smart animals use tools). Tools like biology and medicine and pharmaceuticals. Don't be a dumb animal. Be a man.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            well look what you guys know. Here i am, no painkillers and still alive. now i can ridicule my brother, who took them like a *insert term here*. While i can appreciate what wisdom you’re offering, you’re forgetting who you’re dealing with here. if there’s one place i can’t bend, it’s man challenges. It runs in my family. when my little sister went to africa, you just had to challenge her “manliness” (for lack of a better word) and she’d do pretty much anything. she ate an entire rat, teeth, hair, eyes, tail, etc. just to prove she wasn’t a wimp. these are the people i must constantly be vigilant against.

            • anotherengineer
            • 7 years ago

            “she ate an entire rat, teeth, hair, eyes, tail, ”

            that requires different drugs, I would say gravol or at least pepto bismal lol

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            So, when you have a flesh-eating bacteria munching on your leg, you’ll cut it off with a (dirty) kitchen knife because you’re a real man, right? Screw doctors – those are for sissies.

            You don’t need bandages, either – you’ll stop the bleeding by grilling the wound on your truck-sized Weber.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            Now you got it! that’s what being a real man is all about! I see you familiar, you must be one too!

            • jensend
            • 7 years ago

            [url=http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=man<]Sorry, that's bunk.[/url<] Browbeating other people with false etymologyies (basically urban legends) is not cool. If you're going to use it in an argument, you need to check it.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Ibuprofen helps with inflammation. You could take it to speed up recovery..

      • flip-mode
      • 7 years ago

      Does it matter? F150 will always rule.

        • clone
        • 7 years ago

        I disagree, personally I love the 2009 & up Dodge’s all the way….. to Fords credit the Eco Boost is nice, I’ve been driving my dads fully loaded quad cab 4X4 for a while.

        on a side note apparently the 2013 Ram is going to offer best in class fuel consumption along with a 20% fuel consumption improvement on all of the gas models with the new 3.6 replacing the 3.7, all models getting the 8spd tranny along with improved aerodynamics, a significant weight reduction and a change to electric steering in place of the old hydraulic motors of old.

        • anotherengineer
        • 7 years ago

        If it doesn’t have at least 8 lugs on the wheel, it’s not a truck 😉

      • d34thly
      • 7 years ago

      Yay, I got a minus because I am disgusted by gas guzzling american trucks and the rednecks who drive them. No offense if your line of work actually REQUIRES you to need a truck( that doesn’t make you a redneck).

        • clone
        • 7 years ago

        you got a minus for being just another doink who wants to dictate how others should live and think.

        p.s. I’ve owned a few trucks and I’ve been debating getting another after I get rid of my 4 cylinder car….. not because I need it but because I want it and because it’ll come in handy on those occasions when I’m moving, towing and cleaning.

        p.s.s. having chosen to ride for 3 years (20 – 23) instead of driving a car or truck when I was younger I know but never bothered to brag about it or imply others are less for not doing it.

          • d34thly
          • 7 years ago

          u mad?

            • clone
            • 7 years ago

            not even a little.

          • sweatshopking
          • 7 years ago

          people have the right to dictate how others should live and think. it’s called society, and in most western countries, it’s done through legislation, which is IDEALLY designed to minimize individual stupidity (like driving a truck for no reason) to the benefit of all.

      • anotherengineer
      • 7 years ago

      My 1976 C20 Scottsdale also begs to differ, everything still works flawlessly on it

      Although it could be a case of they don’t build things like they used to.

      • moresmarterthanspock
      • 7 years ago

      I drive a 93 GMC Sierra 1500, and it’s built like a tank. It drives like a Cadillac on the freeway as well, and with the 4.3 V6, I get 20 miles per gallon at 75 miles an hour, plus plenty of power to pass peope. Mine was a fixer-upper. My uncle beat the crap out of it as a ranch truck. He killed the engine. I bought it from him for 700 bucks, put a used V6 with 90,000 miles on it into the truck, and it’s surpirsing how far it has taken me without any issues. Doesn’t burn any oil. starts great, and I’ve put about 70,000 miles on it since it has been in my hands. I wouldn’t go buy a new GM vehicle, but the late 80’s, early 90’s GM trucks seem to be the holy grail.

    • TheMonkeyKing
    • 7 years ago

    Well…I can tell you it won’t be me getting a Raspberry Pi any time soon.

    I’d like to see the i5-2500K go below $200 first, though.

      • Airmantharp
      • 7 years ago

      Paid $200 for mine last year- you need to dream bigger :).

    • Shouefref
    • 7 years ago

    First? FB will plumit further, and world economy will come into a recession

    • barich
    • 7 years ago

    No votes for “OLED panels will become the predominant form of display?”

      • BiffStroganoffsky
      • 7 years ago

      Not until they become price competitive and that isn’t happening this year.

        • BobbinThreadbare
        • 7 years ago

        Forgot price competitive, can you even buy an OLED bigger than 5″?

          • barich
          • 7 years ago

          I was joking. I think widespread OLED displays have been 3-5 years away since 2006.

          • khands
          • 7 years ago

          I believe you can, at something like 17″ 1200p for $25,000 or something. Professional grade of course.

      • Airmantharp
      • 7 years ago

      Guys, the OP is right, even though he’s joking! LG has announced that they will have a 55″ consumer OLED TV sometime this year for around $9000, which is more than palatable. So in a couple of years, plus or minus a few, these screens could be everywhere, and should blow away anything else we have available now.

      • ludi
      • 7 years ago

      The poll was “which will happen first”, not “which will happen just before the heat death of the universe.”

      Although to be fair, OLED dominance might tie with the Windows8 option on that one.

    • kpo6969
    • 7 years ago

    You should add that the AMD Catalyst Drive Team would get their act together.

      • Corrado
      • 7 years ago

      My machine is nigh unusable in CrossfireX. I have to disable Crossfire, unplug, reboot, plug in, enable Crossfire for it to work. If I just let it go, the box will idle fine, but if I try and open anything, it will consume a full core and not actually start. Then I can’t kill it and it eventually hard locks the display. I can still RDP in and use normally, its just on the local console. AWESOME.

        • Airmantharp
        • 7 years ago

        I didn’t have hardly any issues with Crossfire related to the functionality of the rest of the system with HD6950s. Micro-stutter in BF3 and compatibility issues such as negative scaling in Skyrim upon release, however…

          • Corrado
          • 7 years ago

          I’m using 2x 7850s with the latest drivers. I’ve tried the previous 2 driver sets as well and still experience the error. Happened over 3 different windows installs, updated firmwares/bios on everything using Gigabyte vid cards, Gigabyte Z68 chipset with a 2500K. Its not a PS issue because i can get it to work by doing the above wonky procedure and the it works fine until reboot.

            • Airmantharp
            • 7 years ago

            You might have a hardware problem there…

            • Corrado
            • 7 years ago

            Turns out its te Lucid Virtu software installed. Stable as a rock now.

            • Airmantharp
            • 7 years ago

            Good to hear!

            I don’t have much experience with Virtu, as I use the HD3000 on my 2500k to drive a second monitor.

          • NeelyCam
          • 7 years ago

          I had the Giant Arrow bug and flicker with two monitors using 5870

            • anotherengineer
            • 7 years ago

            no issues with my old 4850 or 6850, although not in xfire, however I am driving dual monitors, one at 60hz and the other at 120 hz

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            i don’t get a giant arrow, i get a crazy arrow that’s made up of a bunch of lines. only on my ati stuff. drives me UP THE WALL

    • lycium
    • 7 years ago

    I wasn’t born with sufficiently many middle fingers for Windows 8

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      Use toes

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      qq

    • OneArmedScissor
    • 7 years ago

    HP already has a $700 “sleekbook” for sale.

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      Is it a 17W Trinity? If so, a linky pls (+ideally also a linky to a review)..?

        • OneArmedScissor
        • 7 years ago

        No. Sorry, I actually said that in reference to Ivy Bridge “ultrabooks” dropping to $600, which is basically a given if there’s any sort of sale or drop in component prices.

    • Duck
    • 7 years ago

    28-nm GPU supply issues? You mean NVIDIA yield issues…

      • brucethemoose
      • 7 years ago

      Nvidia’s PR department disagrees. Obviously, it must be the fab’s fault.

        • Silus
        • 7 years ago

        Just like in here AMD blamed GlobalFoundries for their failure ?

        [url<]https://techreport.com/discussions.x/21734[/url<] Who knew, Foundries are also to blame for yield problems! Who woulda thunk it! Oh right, but that's only valid for AMD! Got it...

          • Lans
          • 7 years ago

          [quote<]Who knew, Foundries are also to blame for yield problems![/quote<] Here is a quick search on TSMC (fab) issues: [url<]https://techreport.com/discussions.x/17864[/url<] Yes, fabs can be at fault but the problem with AMD and GF is you don't have 3rd parties confirming or denying either side's claims unlike 28nm at TSMC... I guess everyone else knew this was a cheap shot and not even worth of a reply...

            • Silus
            • 7 years ago

            What ?
            AMD itself blamed GlobalFoundries for YIELD issues, where NVIDIA is blaming TSMC for CAPACITY issues.
            And what’s all this about 3rd parties ? There are no 3rd parties confirming or denying anything from any company. 3rd parties only reported what was said by the companies THEMSELVES (AMD, NVIDIA and Qualcomm) on each story (AMD about GlobalFoundries yields and NVIDIA/Qualcommn about TSMC’s capacity woes)

            And cheap shot about what ? Does providing proof of AMD blaming a foundry for its problems constitute a cheap shot at establishing a KNOWN fact that foundries ARE indeed responsible for yields on the PROCESS they provide for costumers ?

            • Duck
            • 7 years ago

            lol

            There are no capacity issues. Capacity is low, but that’s to be expected for a new process. That is not an issue unless you are NVIDIA with poor yields. Yields so bad it’s clearly impacting on your supply quite significantly.

            • Silus
            • 7 years ago

            Yes, keep living in your RDF! I’m sure denying reality will work for you…or maybe not!

            But wait, actually maybe there’s another approach…we should all trust you and ignore all the reports in actual known sites, concerning TSMC’s woes with capacity for the 28 nm process! Some random guy on the forum is much more reliable than the companies that deal with the fab, the fab itself and the sites (such as TR) that report them!

            • Duck
            • 7 years ago

            Take your obfuscating gibberish elsewhere.

        • Silus
        • 7 years ago

        Qualcomm also seems to disagree…

        [url<]http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2012/04/19/qualcomm-28nm-capacity/1[/url<] How dare these companies complain about TSMC capacity issues! How dare they! It must be just a PR stunt!

          • Lans
          • 7 years ago

          That is “supply issue” but they are disagreeing for different reasons (as you mentioned capacity but just to be more clear):
          [quote<]Although the manufacturing yields are progressing per expectations, there is a shortage of 28nm capacity.[/quote<] Which doesn't really contradict what Duck said.

            • Silus
            • 7 years ago

            So your logic is: if “B” argument doesn’t contradict “A” argument, then “A” argument is true, even though “B” argument is the only known for a fact! Genius!
            No wonder S|A is so popular around here! That’s how that site works! If there isn’t anything that proves they are wrong, then even though they also have nothing to support their arguments, their arguments must be true!

            Such ignorance is jaw dropping.

      • entropy13
      • 7 years ago

      No one can seem to buy an i7-3770K over here…Intel must be having yield issues!!!

      Even Newegg doesn’t have them!!! OH NOES!!!

        • Silus
        • 7 years ago

        LOL 🙂

        But you see…since Intel controls their own fabs, it’s hard to determine who’s to blame! Because Intel as a chip designer can’t possibly blame itself as the fab controller, for yield problems! Others that depend on fabs they don’t control, cannot blame fabs for their process problems (unless it’s AMD, when they did it with GlobalFoundries). That would be just a PR thing!

      • Palek
      • 7 years ago

      Please don’t do that. Do we really need another fanboi battle?

      • Silus
      • 7 years ago

      it’s quite pathetic to deny reality…but then again, you believe in what you want to believe. You must think that your AMD keeps the prices as high as they do, because they are having awesome 28nm supply! And this is valid for any other company, including NVIDIA.
      Oh and here’s something for you to learn, although I’m sure it will be difficult for you: supply != yields. Supply is directly related with the fab’s capacity, while good/bad yields are related with process maturity and chip design around said process.

        • Duck
        • 7 years ago

        Since they both use TSMC and only NVIDIA has major supply issues, there is clearly no 28-nm GPU supply issues. Only NVIDIA yield issues.

          • Silus
          • 7 years ago

          Yes, Qualcomm complaining about those issues was actually a distortion in the matrix. It didn’t actually happen…No, wait! It was NVIDIA that forced Qualcomm to complain about capacity issues, so that they didn’t felt bad in being the only ones!

            • Duck
            • 7 years ago

            There are no capacity issues. Capacity is low, but that’s to be expected for a new process. That is not an issue unless you are NVIDIA with poor yields. Yields so bad it’s clearly impacting on your supply quite significantly.

            • smilingcrow
            • 7 years ago

            They are two separate issues. TSMC clearly has capacity issues as reported in the press but nVidia’s problem is either poor yields or they just didn’t order enough wafers which seems highly unlikely. I thought TSMC had already announced that they are investing big bucks to expand their 28nm production capacity which they surely wouldn’t do if they already had enough capacity!

            • Duck
            • 7 years ago

            Capacity takes time to ramp up. That is normal. Older nodes like 40nm will be produced less and less as 28nm takes over. Of course they will be investing very large amounts of money into expanding 28nm capacity. That’s normal too.

            • smilingcrow
            • 7 years ago

            My understanding is that TSMC will increase its capital expenditure above what it had previously announced only 3 months earlier so this is an atypical cost:
            [url<]http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2012/04/19/2003530669[/url<]

            • Duck
            • 7 years ago

            They estimated $6 billion but had to revise that up to $7 billion because of high demand (according to the article you linked to). This is a good thing. It’s not a sign of of any issues. In fact, it shows TSMC to be in good shape if everyone wants to use them to fab their chips instead of going elsewhere.

            • smilingcrow
            • 7 years ago

            Of course these things can be interpreted in different ways but some of their customers have been quite vocal in criticizing them which is why I favour the negative interpretation.
            If some customers are seriously annoyed they will jump ship so time may tell.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<][b<]The majority (55%) would prefer extra pixels on their desktop monitor.[/b<] 13% of voters most want a high-DPI panel for their television, which is more than the 8% and 7% that voted for smartphones and tablets, respectively.[/quote<] Please forward those poll results to every computer monitor manufacturer and video card manufacturer as soon as possible (and maybe even try to get a reply from them).

      • Majiir Paktu
      • 7 years ago

      I actually thought the previous poll was pretty misleading. It asked about higher pixel [i<]density[/i<], not higher resolution. It seems like voters just picked desktop monitors because we all desperately want more pixels there, but I'm not sure we really want more pixel density. That's legitimately something that benefits smartphones and tablets much more than desktops. And televisions? Really? You want more [i<]density[/i<] for your television pixels? Let's work on getting 6-8MP everywhere and the return of 16:10, first.

        • superjawes
        • 7 years ago

        Actually, I think that’s dead-on for this crowd. Monitors seem to have been capped at 1920×1080 (in the 20″ to 24″ range) since that’s where televisions have capped (at even larger sizes). Even though that pixel density might be nice for smaller screens, I assume this crowd spends a lot of time at their computers (probably work and home), so having better DPI on a monitor would be very nice (and can help productivity).

          • NeelyCam
          • 7 years ago

          I wouldn’t mind a higher-resolution 24-27″ monitor at a decent price. But screw 16:10

            • khands
            • 7 years ago

            16:10 is fantastic, 5120×3200 (or whatever the standard is around that size) can’t come to 24″ monitors soon enough.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            But widescreen will looks stupid on that with those black bars above and below.. It’s just wasted screen space.

            • Firestarter
            • 7 years ago

            And which content will ever be limited to 16:9? Only movies and the like, where your brain will ignore those black bars in all of 2 seconds. All other content made for 16:9 can usually be displayed at 16:10 with 0 problems.

            • BobbinThreadbare
            • 7 years ago

            There are also tons of movies at even shorter ratios than 16:9.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Yes, and they pizz me off

            • UberGerbil
            • 7 years ago

            And there are movies at longer ratios too. Play a proper version of “Lawrence of Arabia” on your nice 16:9 monitor and you’ll still have black bars at the top and bottom. People who expect their preferred monitor to make all black bars to go away either are happy with stretching/cropping or don’t understand the issue. At least the 16:10 folks know enough to not complain about it.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            I’ve seen it already -it wasn’t good enough to watch again

            • UberGerbil
            • 7 years ago

            At least you didn’t miss it, like my point.

            • Geistbar
            • 7 years ago

            Most movies are, actually. Or at least movies in the US. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_(image)#Cinema_terminology<]Aspect ratios of 2.4:1 or 1.85:1[/url<] are common for film based movies. Just they often (though thankfully, less often recently!) use some combination of cropping, pan and scan, or stretching to make them fit more common home screen formats.

            • Bensam123
            • 7 years ago

            I agree… then extra bit of pixel height helps a lot. 16:9 is only good for watching movies and even then it just adds little bars on the top and bottom, which are easily ignored.

            16:9 for TVs and 16:10 for monitors, that’s the way it should be and always should’ve been.

            • d34thly
            • 7 years ago

            Mine is a 85″ 7680 x 4320 Ultra-HD 8K hybrid panel that won’t be available until 2013. (i wish)

        • Parallax
        • 7 years ago

        It depends on how you define “resolution”. By the literal definition it corresponds to PPI, but the word has come to be associated with the number of pixels instead.

        I would actually like both more pixels and denser pixels. Regarding physical size, I have yet to see a screen that is too big to use when positioned properly. Pixel density should be increased until an individual pixel is not visible [u<]to the observer with the best vision[/u<] (not an average observer). An additional advantage of small pixels is that having a dead one no longer matters when defined as being too small to be visible. I have slightly worse than 20/20 vision, and I can pick out pixels on my 109ppi display from 2 feet away. The smallest font size I find readable is not right now limited by my vision, but by the number of pixels used to form the characters.

      • Hattig
      • 7 years ago

      I’m sick of seeing 1920×1080 27″ computer monitors for sale. What real advantage do they have over a 24″/23″/21.6″ 1920×1080 computer monitor, apart from being able to sit a bit further back from it for the same effect. Where’s the 3360×2100 27″ monitor when I want it? Even 2880×1800 would be acceptable.

        • UberGerbil
        • 7 years ago

        Old people with bad eyesight. My 80ish mother loves her 19″ 1280×1024 screen; I’d get her a 27″ 1080 if it would fit on her desk.

        But commodity panels are a tough hurdle. Those 1080p screens exist because TVs have standardized on that resolution, and the market for TVs has made those panels cheap. You can get a 27″ monitor with 2560 x 1440 resolution, but it’s a heck of a lot more expensive than a 1080 one.

          • Hattig
          • 7 years ago

          Hi-DPI screens are good for people with bad eyesight – eyes are good at seeing smooth lines, and pixellated screens are actually harder for the eye to process.

          Of course, you’ll want the UI to be scaled up (so no extra screen real estate, just smoother, more readable text), rather than the UI elements getting smaller.

    • flip-mode
    • 7 years ago

    Wow, tough poll! It comes down to 28nm or 17w Trinity IMO. Very tough call to make, but we’re talking about TSMC here, so I had to vote Trinity. Of course, we’re talking AMD here, so I prolly should have voted 28nm.

    As for the rest:

    HDD: good chances this might happen first, but also good chances it will continue as long and slow as possible.

    Big K: LOL. It was a nice preview though. But I am prolly going Nvidia for my next GPU.

    $600 Ivy UB: not before Trinity

    Win 8 embraced: that would require too many people to say “I spoke too soon”. Win 9 will be here before that happens.

    • BobbinThreadbare
    • 7 years ago

    No cheese option? For shame.

      • DancinJack
      • 7 years ago

      It’s just not right, is it?

      • smilingcrow
      • 7 years ago

      ‘Cheddar! Well, I’m afraid we don’t get much call for it around these parts.’
      ‘Well, this poll is certainly uncontaminated by cheese.’

      Monty Python of course. 🙂

        • cheddarlump
        • 7 years ago

        I represent that remark.

        • Squeazle
        • 7 years ago

        Put me down for some Edam.

          • smilingcrow
          • 7 years ago

          ‘Normally we have stock daily but today the van broke down.’

    • Philldoe
    • 7 years ago

    Where is the hell freezing over option?

      • Vulk
      • 7 years ago

      I thought that was basically the Win8 question…

        • lilbuddhaman
        • 7 years ago

        Funny that at the time of reading this, there were 5 votes for it, and +5 for this comment.

      • SomeOtherGeek
      • 7 years ago

      That is about the time we start getting high-DPI monitors. Sign.

      • Delta38
      • 7 years ago

      Not to start a flame or anything, I think the Hell Freezing option has a conflicting schedule on the same day of the following:

      – HDDs becoming cheap (again) and unaffected by Sudden Death Syndrome, and SMART readings consistent across brand.
      – sudden unexepcted implementation by Intel (and AMD for that matter) of very quiet and efficient boxed coolers
      – Oh, and of course, on that very day the “Safely Remove Hardware” (in windows) will start working right. Currently I think that it might as well be named “Hiding in the background waiting for you to lose your patience and unplug it yourself or tell you I can’t do it for no good reason, but occasionally succeding quickly so as to keep a little hope alive”.

      Feel free to add or comment.

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