Motherboard makers say desktop Trinity delayed

Computex — As you may be aware, AMD launched its long-awaited Trinity APU last month. Only mobile variants are available to start, and the chips were featured in more than a few notebooks on the Computex show floor. Motherboards with FM2 sockets primed for the desktop variants of Trinity were everywhere, too. Some of them powered demo systems, like this one at MSI’s booth.

DiRT: Showdown looked like it was running smoothly on the system’s A10-5800K APU. However, we heard from numerous motherboard makers that desktop versions of Trinity are delayed until the fall. Some thought the chip would show up in September, others anticipated its arrival in October, and one thought it would be even later than that. None really seemed to have a clear idea, though.

We didn’t meet with AMD at the show. However, when we sat down with GlobalFoundries, the company tasked with building Trinity APUs, we were told the "AMD yield issues" were "behind them."

If that’s not the issue, we don’t know why the desktop Trinity chips are delayed, although we do suspect AMD will want to have plenty of mobile chips on hand during the back-to-school notebook buying season.

Despite the desktop delay, there were the scores of full-sized ATX motherboards designed for Trinity. A few of them featured a new A85 platform hub, which we were told has eight 6Gbps SATA and six USB 3.0 ports. That’s an impressive payload, but it seems like overkill for the sort of systems Trinity is likely to power.

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    • ronch
    • 7 years ago

    I just got back from China where Internet access was spotty and I wasn’t able to check out TR or any other sites for that matter. I was hoping that when I got back desktop Trinity would be there and I could read about it.

    But no. @_@

    • Unknown-Error
    • 7 years ago

    I wonder whether this has something to do with it? [url=http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/6/11/amd-answers-intel-xeon2c-opteron-trinity-apu-comes-in-q4-2012.aspx<][u<]Trinity-based [b<]Opteron APU[/b<][/u<][/url<]

    • tbone8ty
    • 7 years ago

    hmm i saw Trinity shipping today!

    [url<]http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x465/tbone8ty/IMG_0317.jpg[/url<]

    • wiak
    • 7 years ago

    low power trinity apu + 8 SATANS 6Gbps and six USB 3.0 will be sweet as a file server

      • HighTech4US2
      • 7 years ago

      8 SATANS

      Isn’t one devil enough?

        • NeelyCam
        • 7 years ago

        You need at least six to make this unholy trinity have any chance in the marketplace

      • DarkMikaru
      • 7 years ago

      That as exactly the same thought that I had! My current home server is maxed out with 7 drives, 8 if you count the sata DVD burner. The next thing I am waiting for is an APU to be available that comes anywhere close to my Athlon 2650e with its 15w TDP / 6w Idle rating. I love it for the most part but if something faster & just as energy efficient comes along I may consider upgrading.

    • link626
    • 7 years ago

    I don’t care. I just want to see the mobile trinity and how far it will overclock.

    they’d better not delay that. It’s supposed to come out by the end of this month, right?

    • gmskking
    • 7 years ago

    Wow, that CPU cooler is just plain dumb. Talk about overkill.

      • chµck
      • 7 years ago

      don’t be ridiculous. It’s still only air cooling

      • HighTech4US2
      • 7 years ago

      Maybe the reason Trinity won’t be available until October is that at this time it takes a massive cooler to keep it from burning up.

        • xeridea
        • 7 years ago

        Well mobile trinity has huge power efficiency improvements, so this is highly doubtful.

          • OneArmedScissor
          • 7 years ago

          Does it? The TDP rating for the desktop Trinity parts is basically identical to the desktop Bulldozer parts with the same number of cores and clock speeds.

          The Opteron Bulldozers go down to laptop TDPs, despite having twice as many cores.

          It’s certainly improved, but the improvement is that they left off the L3 cache and much of the rest of the “uncore” and replaced it with something actually useful for PCs.

          • HighTech4US2
          • 7 years ago

          Crank up the voltage to get the higher clocks needed for desktop and watch the power jump much much higher.

          Power = Voltage Squared x Current.

          —-

          Edit: Dynamic power does rise by the Voltage Squared

          Had a brain fart on the Current term as Static power is Voltage times Current.

          [url<]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_frequency_scaling[/url<] The small error above doesn't change the fact that an increase of voltage is required for higher clocks and that the increase of voltage (squared) times the increase of frequency will result in much higher power consumed.

            • Goty
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]Power = Voltage Squared x Current.[/quote<] Since when?

            • Palek
            • 7 years ago

            Didn’t you know? The C in P=fCV^2 stands for “current,” and not capacitance like all those stupid books tell you. Oh, and f is the “fanboi” coefficient!

            • Goty
            • 7 years ago

            Man, why doesn’t pointing out where HighTech is wrong quiet him down this effectively in other threads?

            • HighTech4US2
            • 7 years ago

            Those in glass houses should not throw stones.

            • Goty
            • 7 years ago

            My house is Lexan; still transparent, just much stronger.

    • stmok
    • 7 years ago

    AMD is prioritizing the majority of the Trinity stock (desktop and notebook versions) to OEMs for the back-to-school season. There is no yield issue.

    * OEM contracts are lucrative and pretty much guaranteed in securing an income stream; once everything is signed.
    * Enthusiasts market are not. Thus, one takes a backseat.
    * Mobo makers also take a backseat; as I hear they’re complaining about needing their supply for finalising their mobo designs. (Prep them for mass production.)
    * AMD also wants to get rid of existing Llano stock.

    So you can see, the old AMD that focused on Enthusiasts and raw performance is dead. It died after K8 was released. This is the new AMD, and its focus is primarily towards markets that are most lucrative. (Well, it is a business after all. And its new CEO did come from Lenovo.)

    New AMD motto: [b<]Enthusiasts can wait[/b<]. => Happened in 2011 for FX release. => Happens again in 2012 for Desktop A-series (Trinity) release. ...The only good news is that they have resolved potential yield issues with the 32nm SOI process. (It's matured.)

      • HighTech4US2
      • 7 years ago

      Since only Notebook Trinity are available (lower clocks and voltage) now clearly shows that Trinity has yield issues on the high end and not many are hitting the required power envelope. It will take until Sep/Oct until enough high end parts are produced.

        • xeridea
        • 7 years ago

        They also need to get chips that can operate at lower voltages, to keep the thermal envelopes. Perhaps not as bad as ULV binning, but it is a factor. If they can make them just fine, I wouldn’t see this as an issue. And 32nm yield issues are ancient history.

          • NeelyCam
          • 7 years ago

          You know, the only “high-performance” part AMD has out there using that GloFo 32nm – BullDozer – runs at high clocks but has very high power consumption. Maybe there is something that makes it difficult/near-impossible to run GloFo 32nm logic at high clocks without hiking the voltage and power consumption to very high levels…? Sort of like IvyBridge having problems overclocking beyond 4.5GHz without crazy voltage hikes?

          HighTech4US2 might be onto something..

      • UberGerbil
      • 7 years ago

      If they’d truly resolved their yield issues, nobody would have to wait.

        • BobbinThreadbare
        • 7 years ago

        Not necessarily, you could have 100% yields, but if you don’t have enough manufacturing space you still won’t be able to fill demands.

          • willmore
          • 7 years ago

          Exactly, yield isn’t the only variable.

          #chips == wafer starts * wafer size / die size * yield

          If you’re wafer start limited, you’re going to produce fewer chips. If you use smaller wafers, you’re going to produce smaller chips–nor normally a factor for first line processes like these, everything is 300mm for that. Die size decreases the # of chips per wafer. Yield is the proportion of produced dies that work to total produced dies.

          Note: Yield is also a function of die size, so the above equation is a little more complex than it looks. This is due to the fact that one flaw will destroy one die. Two flaws may destroy two smaler die, one smaller die, two large die, or one larger die–depending on where the flaws occur. A die with two flaws is just as useless as a die with one flaw. Three flaws…. You get the pattern. This is mitigated by chips designed to survive flaws–by having reduntant subparts which can be disabled if flawed–either by having a superset of need functionality or by designing a chip such that a die with less than all subunits working is still useful.

          Okay, I’m going into lecture mode again, I’m going to stop.

      • BobbinThreadbare
      • 7 years ago

      I think it’s more likely they don’t have anything that would interest enthusiasts so they’re focusing on products people will actually buy.

    • anotherengineer
    • 7 years ago

    Maybe they want to pawn off all the warehouses full of Llano’s and FM1 mobo’s?

    • flip-mode
    • 7 years ago

    It’ll still probably arrive before decent numbers of GTX 680. Not a single one in stock at Newegg. Epic vapor launch of the decade.

      • HighTech4US2
      • 7 years ago

      You are wrong on both counts.

      And it is interesting that you waited until the three GTX680’s from different vendors that were in stock from Thursday until Sunday sold out to post your usual drivel about no stock.

        • dpaus
        • 7 years ago

        I think that all three vendors being out of stock is still indicitive of serious supply issues.

          • HighTech4US2
          • 7 years ago

          Demand is super strong for the GTX680 and Nvidia has publicly stated that they are supply limited by TSMC not having enough 28nm wafers.

          Last week was the first time I actually saw that GTX680’s were in stock at Newegg for more than a few hours. The 3+ days in stock gives hope that the supply is starting to catch up to demand.

            • xeridea
            • 7 years ago

            Demand was super strong for the HD 7970, but there have never been supply issues. They actually stocked up some before release, and don’t have yield issues, even thought they released 3 months earlier, and have a bigger chip.

            Nvidia is just blaming everyone but themselves. It is partially on TSMC, but the either didn’t work closely with them, and/or have a bad design that has yield issues. They also had extremely major issues with GTX 480. It seems Nvidia just doesn’t know how to do process shrinks.

            • HighTech4US2
            • 7 years ago

            Hey Char-LIE is that you?

            • clone
            • 7 years ago

            this entire response supports the paper launch criticisms being leveled at GTX 680.

            Nvidia held up a piece of wood and told everyone it was a functioning Fermi… that is the value of Nvidia PR comments, your embracing Nvidia PR reflects as poorly on your credibility.

            several months in and no GTX 680’s in stock…. paper launch.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Plenty in stock – you just have to look for non-Newegg sources:

            [url<]http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SIGNATURE-DisplayPort-Graphics-02G-P4-2683-KR/dp/B007VBFDUS/[/url<] [url<]http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperClocked-DisplayPort-Graphics-02G-P4-2682-KR/dp/B007KC1R9E/[/url<] [url<]http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=02G-P4-2685-KR[/url<]

            • clone
            • 7 years ago

            the funny part is every link says the same thing, very few “in stock” and order soon, as in by the time you order their won’t be any just like their weren’t any before when we said their are a cppl “in stock.”

            GTX 680 was launched on March 22, 3 months after AMD launched HD 7xxx and it’s June 13 and still so few cards…… if the cards appeared tomorrow in volume it’d still be a Paper Launch…. Period.

            • entropy13
            • 7 years ago

            Core i7-3770K was launched on April, and it’s June 13 and still so few of them, Newegg doesn’t even have them at stock, while local retailers over here in the Philippines are still just in the “pre-order” status for it, and when they did arrive for those who pre-ordered, only two of them got it. Since in the Ivy Bridge discussion thread at least 7 of them said that they pre-ordered the 3770K, and only two of them got theirs…

            [url<]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007SZ0EOW/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d12_g147_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0343GGMDV9D8T2NJP596&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846[/url<] Only 18 in stock with Amazon? That's quite a few i7-3770Ks...Intel with a paper launch.

            • clone
            • 7 years ago

            18 in stock at Amazon isn’t a lot…. it’s next to nothing but to be clear I’ve not spent a second looking into the matter.

      • Ushio01
      • 7 years ago

      loads in stock in Europe, my sympathies to you poor US Nvidia fans. (BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA)

        • shank15217
        • 7 years ago

        Yea that’s cause Europeans cant afford to buy the damn card and rather wait for cheaper versions or go for AMD alternatives.

          • Chrispy_
          • 7 years ago

          What you’re saying is that we don’t have e-peen contests over unnecessary hardware?

          I’ll be sure to cry myself to sleep every night because I [i<]only[/i<] get 60FPS with maximum details. The GTX680 is nice to brag about, and all - but realistically there are plenty of [b<]available[/b<], cheaper, cooler, quieter, cards that will run everything silky smooth without turning your buying experience into a miserable bait-and-chase stock-levels gamble.

      • tejas84
      • 7 years ago

      flip-mode TR’s quintessential rabid AMD fanboy.

      Why don’t you accept that AMD does not give a damn about the desktop anymore.

      Rory Read has said that Mobile and Cloud is all he cares about…

      • Krogoth
      • 7 years ago

      Silly fanboys.

      TSMC’s 28nm process is having yielding issues and demand is very thigh which means supplies are tight for both camps.

      That’s why 28nm parts carry such a high premium over their 40nm predecessors.

      I’m sick of the entire green versus red team wankfest. They are practically equal in terms of performance, prices, features etc. You can’t go wrong going to either side. Sure there are problems, but they typically manifest in bleeding edge platforms. It is called the bleeding edge for a reason.

      • entropy13
      • 7 years ago

      It’ll still probably arrive before decent numbers of i7 3770K. Not a single one in stock at Newegg. Epic vapor launch of the decade.

    • tbone8ty
    • 7 years ago

    OEM desktop trinity is not delayed.

    AMD is just prioritizing what’s best their business.

      • UberGerbil
      • 7 years ago

      The many motherboard manufacturers who appear to have been ready for an earlier launch might disagree. And prioritizing is only necessary when you’re dealing with a constraint. Certainly filling mobile first, OEM contracts second, and the retail market last is what’s best for their business, but if AMD had unlimited yields/capacity do you think they’d be doing this?

      • HighTech4US2
      • 7 years ago

      So basically screw the MB manufactures and the DIY customers.

      How exactly is that good for business?

        • tbone8ty
        • 7 years ago

        most likely answer i can come up with (since yields are apparently fine) is there is an excess of llano and fm1 mobo’s in the channel and they want to give manuf. time to off load their stock. so in the mean time they are focusing on pushing laptop/mobile, server(seamicro), OEM and the imbedded market.

        • Krogoth
        • 7 years ago

        Because DIY types are a vocal minority?

        Intel doesn’t really care that much about about DIY and enthusiast crowd. They only throw enough crumbs to keep them interested, but aren’t going out of their way to support the crowd.

        Intel has always been like that for years, even back when Netburst was talk of the town.

        • clone
        • 7 years ago

        if they are making more off OEM’s and notebooks which is likely, how is it good to cater to the less lucrative more volatile DIY market?

        Trinity isn’t a Sandy or Ivy beater which reduces it’s DIY advantage to integrated desktop builders…. I can think of no less interesting market to cater to.

    • vvas
    • 7 years ago

    Most likely they’re not producing the new chips fast enough to satisfy the demand for them, so they’re focussing the supply towards the main target market (i.e., laptops).

      • Goty
      • 7 years ago

      This could be construed as a yield issue, so I’d say you could potentially be right.

        • HighTech4US2
        • 7 years ago

        It is a yield issue period.

          • Goty
          • 7 years ago

          I’m glad you have SO much insider information. Care to share a little with us?

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            I’m not sure if you can be much of an insider if you think P=V^2*I

            • HighTech4US2
            • 7 years ago

            Had a brain fart and mixed up dynamic and static power. I have since corrected the post.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Fair enough… but I still sort of feel like that was a pretty big brain fart for an insider..

          • entropy13
          • 7 years ago

          It’s not a yield issue, only Nvidia could have a yield issue, remember?

        • cygnus1
        • 7 years ago

        It could also very easily be poor planning, or simply not having enough production capacity to meet demand. GlobalFoundries makes more than just Trinity after all. If they were maxing out the foundries, I would certainly focus on the higher margin server and mobile chips.

    • bittermann
    • 7 years ago

    I wonder if the next gen. consoles have anything to do with it? 😉

      • chuckula
      • 7 years ago

      Considering that even the earliest of the “next gen” consoles that could potentially have an AMD chip in it won’t be out until well into 2013, the answer is “no”.

        • UberGerbil
        • 7 years ago

        Yeah, I’m not sure how anyone would even come up with connecting those two except pure wishcasting.

          • bittermann
          • 7 years ago

          I guess your right…I’m sure they could get specs finalized, multiple parts ordered, manufactured, assembled and get millions of consoles distributed to stores (including International) for release in winter 2013 with only 2-3 months in advance.

          pure wish casting my ass…not saying its true but whatever.

      • HighTech4US2
      • 7 years ago

      Only if Microsoft wants Red-Ring-of-Death II

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