Apple quietly pulls Safari for Windows from main site

The browser wars has just claimed another casualty—on Windows, at least, where it seems Apple has capitulated.

As AppleInsider reports, the Mac maker’s Safari product page no longer includes a download link for the Windows version. It only touts the merits of Safari 6.0, the new version of the browser released alongside OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion yesterday. Searching for "Safari" in the top-right search box still brings up a "Safari for Mac + PC" listing, but clicking that simply pulls up the main Safari page again, with no Windows link in sight.

AppleInsider was able to track down Safari 5.1.7 for Windows on Apple’s support knowledge base, but that’s hardly prominent placement—or evidence that Apple is pushing ahead with cross-platform development. Apple has been offering Windows versions of the browser since June 2007, when Safari 3 rolled out simultaneously for Mac OS X 10.5, Windows XP, and Windows Vista. (Windows users were only treated to a beta version, though.)

I suppose a quiet death for Safari on Windows wouldn’t be too shocking. According to Net Applications, Windows and Mac flavors of Safari hold a combined 4.73% of the browser market, and I expect Mac users account for the bulk of that figure. The same statistics show Chrome with a 19.08% share, Firefox with 20.06%, and Internet Explorer with 54.02%.

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    • helix
    • 7 years ago

    The only people I see using Safari on Windows are either testing their webpage; or got it as a (semi-)unintentional bundled install from Apple’s software updater.

    • internetsandman
    • 7 years ago

    The only upside of Safari can only be seen if you’re on a Mac and you own an iOS device: bookmark syncing and reading list. They do function together very nicely with iCloud, but believe me, if I had the option to perform those types of syncs from chrome to my iPhone, I’d change browsers in a heartbeat. I love chrome but the only reason I don’t use it is because it doesn’t play well with apples mobile devices (although if there’s a workaround for this I’d be happy to try it)

      • tcunning1
      • 7 years ago

      Agree, though I prefer Firefox and its cross platform synchronization. Even if you install Chrome on iOS it cannot be made the default browser to open links in email, etc.

        • internetsandman
        • 7 years ago

        Can anything be made the default browser other than Safari? It would be nice if Chrome for Mac and Chrome for iOS could sync up with each other, seamlessly replacing safari altogether on both platforms

    • TEAMSWITCHER
    • 7 years ago

    I think we are going to see an all out, three way, internet platform war – Microsoft/Windows/IE, Google/Android/Chrome Apple/OSX/iOS/Safari.

    Place your bets now – who’s gonna win? Apple, Google, or Microsoft?

      • Chrispy_
      • 7 years ago

      Google. They own all of internetland and significant chunks of the real world too.
      If it came to war, could you really use the internet the same way without:

      Google Maps,
      Google search,
      Gmail,
      Youtube,
      Picasa,
      Google Product Search.

      I’m pretty sure I couldn’t do it.

        • A_Pickle
        • 7 years ago

        OpenStreetMaps,
        DuckDuckGo,
        Roll-your-own e-mail server,
        Vimeo etc,
        Flickr, Imgur (Picasa isn’t even remotely the leading imagehost website)
        Nextag, Pricegrabber, or Shopzilla.

        The thing is, Google provides good products and services. They’ve trained you (and hey, even me) into thinking that, by default, Google’s rendition of a product/service is probably the best one. In many cases, it is. I have, and love Gmail. It is, without a doubt, the most significant reason as to why I remain tied to the Google machine.

        But, OpenStreetMaps is coming along pretty nicely — they’ve got a good chunk of the U.S. covered, anyways. DuckDuckGo is a great search engine, it gives me better results than Bing and is very comparable to Google (and they have a much better privacy policy). There are plenty of e-mail options out there, but hosting your own e-mail server isn’t hard, which is why I tossed that in there. YouTube? There are plenty of alternatives to it, many of them vastly superior. Picasa isn’t dominant, and it’s one of the Google services with which Google took a decisively “Microsoft-ian” approach — the Picasa desktop application only works with Picasa and no other online services. I can’t remember the last time someone linked me to an image on Picasa. And product shopping? Google Product Search is handy, but as far as pointing you to the lowest prices? It falls heavily short of Nextag in my experience. I haven’t used PriceGrabber or Shopzilla, but they are there.

      • Game_boy
      • 7 years ago

      Google+Samsung will hold the units sold lead and Apple will continue to by far be the most profitable.

      MS will just lose but they won’t care because Windows and Office will never stop being necessary.

      Apple does have a place they can expand to: home consoles. Just replicate the Wii. Nintendo was pulling Apple-like margins 2006-2009 on its strength, and not by doing anything new or creative. Push out Wii Sports and 2D Mario clone games and ignore third parties. Make it a gimmick-free console: no 3D, no tablety thing, no Kinect, no Xbox Live like service, and no trying to be a multimedia centre.

        • mutarasector
        • 7 years ago

        “Google+Samsung will hold the units sold lead and Apple will continue to by far be the most profitable.”

        Possibly, but don’t leave yourself locked in so. I see Asus as a viable contender on the hardware front in few years.

        “MS will just lose but they won’t care because Windows and Office will never stop being necessary”

        I’m not so certain. Microsoft is the only one in position to support both ARM/x86 with its OS and Office development. Despite popular opinion, x86 is nowhere near dead anytime soon, and unless Apple moves into an x86 based iPad or a Medfield phone (unlikely), Microsoft will be the only one really solidly positioned across both x86 and ARM architectures.

        • Anonymous Coward
        • 7 years ago

        [quote<]MS will just lose but they won't care because Windows and Office will never stop being necessary.[/quote<] I expect to see Windows pushed into a far less profitable place than it holds now, and not especially necessary. Office will be center of MS's power. All the interlocking products there will be far harder to beat than any OS, I expect.

      • A_Pickle
      • 7 years ago

      None of the above.

      I believe, in the long-run, that open-source, copyleft software will win. Linux, yo.

    • jstern
    • 7 years ago

    I used to have Safari for Windows, used it often because it had a different and nice look to it. But then they changed it to look just like Chrome. There was no point to it anymore.

    • ew
    • 7 years ago

    Safari on Windows was great for testing. Now I’ll actually have to use an iDevice to test.

    • zzz
    • 7 years ago

    I actually didn’t know that it was offered for Windows, I can’t fathom why any non-Mac user would want to run it anyways, so I guess nothing of value was lost.

    • Da_Boss
    • 7 years ago

    If it’s true tat they’re ending development for Safari, it shows that Apple no longer sees Safari on Windows to be useful anymore–and they’re totally right. Safari just isn’t needed on Windows anymore. Apple’s no longer pushing this ‘web-app’ vision for the web, and Safari is no longer the forward-looking statement it once was on Windows. now, there are several fast, fully HTML compliant browsers in the windows space. Not so when Safari came out on Windows. At the time, I believe it was competing with FF2 and IE7.

    Also, let’s not forget that Apple/Google ship nearly hundreds of thousands of post-pc devices daily, and Mac share has been creeping upwards for the last 5 years or so. The traditional PC is not the single gateway to the web it once was.

    I think it’s a pretty prudent call on their part.

      • poulpy
      • 7 years ago

      [quote<]Apple's no longer pushing this 'web-app' vision for the web, and Safari is no longer the forward-looking statement it once was on Windows. now, there are several fast, fully HTML compliant browsers in the windows space. Not so when Safari came out on Windows.[/quote<] Well yes it was FF 2.x around that time but I don't remember Safari being superior to FF in any significant shape or form. The main (only?) selling point of the Windows build was to allow web site/app devs to test it all on one machine. Surely even if -hypothetically speaking- nowadays all browsers behave more nicely with standards one would still like the ability to test it without swapping machine?

      • mutarasector
      • 7 years ago

      Safari was never truly useful for the vast majority Windows users…*ever*

    • HisDivineOrder
    • 7 years ago

    Hopefully, this means Apple will stop trying to trick me into installing it when I install iTunes.

    • corwin155
    • 7 years ago

    good who wants that junk anyway

    • kamikaziechameleon
    • 7 years ago

    CAN QUICK TIME AND SAFARI JUST DIE ALREADY???

    • jdaven
    • 7 years ago

    Wow. What a bunch of hypocrites!

    Microsoft has been forcing IE on 90%+ of the world for about two decades now but only recently has the web browser become somewhat good. Yet everyone here is silent.

      • OneArmedScissor
      • 7 years ago

      Force? As in MS held you up at gun point? It all makes sense now! That would make me cranky, paranoid, and obsessive about things that have quite literally nothing to do with MS, too.

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      Poor baby – did someone say something bad about an Apple product? There there.. I’ll get you some ice cream and it’ll be all better

        • dpaus
        • 7 years ago

        [quote<]I'll get you some ice cream[/quote<] I don't think an Android release is going to make him feel better.

          • DancinJack
          • 7 years ago

          I wouldn’t put it past NeelyCam to have done that on purpose.

            • dpaus
            • 7 years ago

            Yeah, he’s a sly dog, our Neely 🙂

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<] Yeah, she's a sly dog, our Neely 🙂 [/quote<] fixed it for you. How many times do i have to say her name is Tiffany?

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Are you calling me a bitch..?

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            no. i would never use that term for a woman. especially one as beautiful as you. i couldn’t believe those pics you sent me.

            • dpaus
            • 7 years ago

            I make [i<]one[/i<] witty comment, and you two go and turn it into a sleazy pornfest....

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            i’ll forward them, don’t worry.

            • dpaus
            • 7 years ago

            That’s better. And make sure it’s the [i<]original[/i<] files, not the thumbnails you sent last time!

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            HEEEYY!!

            Uncool.. And I thought you and I had a thing

            • dpaus
            • 7 years ago

            [b<]You[/b<] were the one who said you were open to 3somes.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Damn, you remembered [b<]that[/b<]!? Mind-->gutter..

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            we still have our thing. now you and dpaus have a thing too.

            • dpaus
            • 7 years ago

            I remember [u<]everything[/u<], Mr. I-bet-lots-of-beer-that-Medfield-will-dominate-the-phone-market-by-2013. Everything. Mind--->SteelTrap

      • UberGerbil
      • 7 years ago

      Every time IE gets a frontpage mention the comments section is [url=https://techreport.com/discussions.x/22883<]full[/url<] of people [url=https://techreport.com/discussions.x/16742<]complaining[/url<] about how much it [url=https://techreport.com/discussions.x/15412<]sucks[/url<] and/or mentioning they refuse to use it. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    I wouldn’t jump to the conclusion that it is dead. Could be just as simple as the Windows Safari 6 is being prepared for download. This simular behavior to the iTunes page when it gets a major update.

    Nightly webkit builds are still being built as well.
    [url<]http://nightly.webkit.org/[/url<]

      • kyboshed
      • 7 years ago

      WekKit != Safari. Safari uses WekKit, as does Chrome but the WekKit brower and it’s nightly builds are maintained by the [url=http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/WebKit%20Team<]WebKit Team[/url<] That doesn't mean Safari 6 isn't in the works, of course.

        • Deanjo
        • 7 years ago

        I know Webkit != Safari. Apple is however still making code changes to webkit that apply to OS X and Windows. I’m just saying that they would have little reason to keep building nightlies of webkit for Windows if they were to discontinue safari for windows. I just think it is a bit early to jump to the conclusion that Safari for Windows is dead based on the fact that it is currently unavailable to download.

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      wouldn’t that be a relief! i spoke to the guy who uses it and he was quite concerned.

        • atryus28
        • 7 years ago

        Nice, that made me chuckle.

    • Firestarter
    • 7 years ago

    Looks like their attempt to piggy-back it onto itunes failed. Good riddance.

    • Chrispy_
    • 7 years ago

    Why does Apple even bother trying to make a browser for Windows? Safari isn’t even great on OSX.

      • DancinJack
      • 7 years ago

      How can you compare a desktop browser and a mobile browser?

      e: Maybe you’re saying they didn’t get it right on iOS after they had it on OS X, so how would they make it a good Windows version? Either way, that’s pretty bad logic.

        • Chrispy_
        • 7 years ago

        My bad, I meant OSX. I just confused that with iOS because OSX is slowly dying (or morphing into iOS) as apple moves everything to smaller, more portable product lines.

      • ltcommander.data
      • 7 years ago

      Apple introduced Safari for Windows after the introduction of the iPhone and before the App Store was created at a time when they were pushing web apps as the primary third-party development method. Safari for Windows allowed web apps and websites to be developed on Windows and be tested for compatibility with iOS and Safari for Mac. This was also around the time Boot Camp was introduced giving Mac users a familiar browser across platforms. Safari for Windows was also released before Chrome so did serve a purpose as a browser that supported the latest web standards with the possibility for being a strong third browser behind IE and Firefox.

        • derFunkenstein
        • 7 years ago

        Boot camp was long before the iPhone, more than a year.

      • mutarasector
      • 7 years ago

      I’ve always wonder the very same thing.

    • ronch
    • 7 years ago

    Safari is only for Apple Fanbois, and they wouldn’t touch a Windows machine with a 10-foot cattle prod. Hence, Safari isn’t used by Windows users, really.

    • Krogoth
    • 7 years ago

    and nothing of value was lost!

      • Silus
      • 7 years ago

      Pretty much!
      With Chrome around (and to some extent Firefox and Opera) who in their right mind uses Safari in Windows ? Pretty bad experience from a browsing point of view, even more so if you’re a developer where Chrome just kicks butt!

      • cynan
      • 7 years ago

      Lol. My response to this headline was: “Oh. They had Safari for Windows…”

    • odizzido
    • 7 years ago

    Safari was pretty crap. Just like all the rest of apple’s windows software.

    • Arclight
    • 7 years ago

    Meh….it’s all about IE with me, i like dat eye candy and my net connection allows me not to miss ff or chrome when it comes to loading time. Though i would sure love an SSD….*pets the PC case* soon baby, soon

    • green
    • 7 years ago

    good riddance. seriously.

    i open up the google search page. no actual search. just the homepage. i leave it alone to attend a meeting for an hour. i get back and hear my hard disk (mechanical) churning away. after rebooting the computer it’s back to normal. i open task manager, fire up safari leaving it on google again. as i’m working my hard disk eventually starts churning again. i check task manager. safari over the period of 1 hour has decided to write “something” out to disk 1.8 million times as a result of just sitting on the google homepage doing nothing. not logged in or anything. just sitting there. been the same all the way from safari 3 to 5.

    now imagine what it’d do to an ssd…

      • Farting Bob
      • 7 years ago

      Why would you use Safari on windows for anything other than testing to see if a webpage works in it? If you dont care about downloading a new browser, or are unable to install one IE is there for you. If you do care, FF and chrome offer a far better browser. If you are a non-conformist you can always use Opera. I just cant see any reason why someone would want to use Safari on windows.

        • Firestarter
        • 7 years ago

        You can’t even use it to test reliably, as the font rendering is different on OSX anyway. I usually just ignore it until one of my Mac-using managers comes to bug me about it.

    • destroy.all.monsters
    • 7 years ago

    Now if they’ll only pull itunes and quicktime.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 7 years ago

      How do you propose syncing an iOS device with a Windows PC then? The Winamp plugin was incompatible with iOS 4 and hasn’t been updated since.

        • Chrispy_
        • 7 years ago

        That’s a flaw with all iOS devices, that can be fixed with a version of iOS that isn’t lame;

        Most of the other devices on the market can communicate with Windows/Linux without stupid proprietary apps. You just plug it in, with nice standard (non-proprietary) USB cable and it works without any Apple bullsh*t. You can even browse your [i<]folder structure[/i<] in most cases. Honestly, why is that so hard for Apple to do?

          • Firestarter
          • 7 years ago

          Amazingly, I can even develop applications for android for free. I don’t even need to buy a new computer or OS!

          • hasseb64
          • 7 years ago

          Hate Itunes, but Nokia and Sony Ericsson had (have?) same proprietary programs to access functions in telephones.

            • Chrispy_
            • 7 years ago

            “Had” was the right word.

            Even Sony, the king of proprietary crapware and silly hardware formats, has embraced standardisation: MicroUSB, MiniSD, Android OS.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            Not really, they still do have proprietary software on many of their feature phones.

          • NeelyCam
          • 7 years ago

          But that’s not how it’s meant to be played…

            • BobbinThreadbare
            • 7 years ago

            He’s holding it wrong

          • willmore
          • 7 years ago

          I was listening to a talk from OSCON about features that were in Android 1.0–most of which were later adopted by iOS. One notable one was that the device can configure itself and perform all of its functions *without a PC to support it*.

          Sure, that’s not a huge issue in he first world, but what happens when you don’t have a PC? Or what if the only PC you have access to is shared?

          I’ve had an Android device for a bit over a year and only recently had to support an iOS device. The difference between how much time they spend teathered to a PC is huge. The Android tablet rarely needs to connect to a PC–basically to root it and copy over certificates for Wi-Fi. That really could have done by just putting in an uSD card with the stuff preloaded. The iOS device needs music coppied over, podcasts, OS updates, etc. Oh, yeah, most of that can be done over Wi-Fi, I guess, but it still requires a PC even if it’s not cabled to it with a physical wire.

          Come on, Apple, cut the cord.

            • Flatland_Spider
            • 7 years ago

            After upgrading to iOS 5, I haven’t had to plug my iPhone into a PC for anything, and my wife’s iPad has a similar story.

            To get rid of the PC, buy/download everything from the App Store exclusively. If you have data on the PC, you’re going to need a PC.

            The ability to backup everything to a PC is really nice. This has been one of my gripes about Android (My wife and I both have Android phones). There isn’t a good way to inspect and verify what exactly is getting backed up to your Google account.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 7 years ago

            I’d rather have iTunes on my PC if I owned any Apple devices than buy everything from iTunes. :p

          • A_Pickle
          • 7 years ago

          [quote<]Honestly, why is that so hard for Apple to do?[/quote<] You ask as though Apple wishes to do this.

        • superjawes
        • 7 years ago

        They’ll never pull iTunes or quicktime. Those make money for Apple.

        On top of that, they actually have relevant market share. Anyone using a Windows operating system is going to use IE or one of the established third-party alternatives (Firefox or Chrome). Safari for Windows just doesn’t make sense.

    • blastdoor
    • 7 years ago

    Safar for windows only made sense for developers. Now, most developers (at least, most developers worth anything to apple) have a Mac or an iPad.

      • thor84no
      • 7 years ago

      The day I have to code on a Mac is the day I resign. I can’t stand to do any serious work on a non Linux machine, it’s just painful.

        • Deanjo
        • 7 years ago

        Tons of crossplatform developers would disagree with you. On a Mac it is very simple to develop for any OS on one machine.

          • thor84no
          • 7 years ago

          It’s not that you can’t. It’s that it’s painful. Using OSX for dev makes me spend most of my effort swearing at the OS rather than being productive. Then again Unity had a similar effect, albeit to a lesser extent.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            Like any other UI, it is simply getting used to it. Besides, real Linux coders use vi/emacs. 😛

        • BexTrevin
        • 7 years ago

        You can code *nix-style on a Mac. It has vim, and fully supported command line tools. It’s what I use. I like its GUI more than Linux options. I like using it for cross platform development.

          • nafhan
          • 7 years ago

          Just a guess, but the guy you’re replying to is probably a Windows/Visual Studio programmer.

          It’s possible to program “*nix” style on a Windows box, too, with Cygwin. With Linux and various other Unix flavors being free, though, neither OSX nor Windows seem like an ideal choice for a straight up Unix programmer.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 7 years ago

      Safari on the iPad and Safari on the Mac are pretty different in terms of functionality. The web app I support works fine in Safari on the Mac, but many of the buttons took additional effort to get them working on the iPad – they didn’t do anything.

        • blastdoor
        • 7 years ago

        I suspect it’s the other direction that matters more.

        That is, if it works on the iPad, then does it work on the Mac?

          • derFunkenstein
          • 7 years ago

          I’m talking about a real scenario with an actually shipping product that people paid money for where it didn’t work on the iPad but worked fine on the Mac. The app was used in production environments for a couple of years before the iPad released, and it just didn’t work on that mobile browser.

          In the end it got fixed relatively quickly, but it was worth noting.

            • blastdoor
            • 7 years ago

            I think you are missing my point, but that’s ok, thanks for your reply.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 7 years ago

            I guess I am? I dunno.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            he was referring to development. if you code for the ipad, could you expect it to be mac conforming?

            • derFunkenstein
            • 7 years ago

            That’s probably true.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 7 years ago

    It used to show up all the time in Apple Software Update for me, but I just looked there and it’s gone from there, too. Hallelujah, they’re finally done trying to foist it upon us.

      • Chrispy_
      • 7 years ago

      Yeah, that was some nasty, underhanded tactic using Apple Software Update.

      The new scapegoat of filth is Microsoft with the “Bing Desktop” via Windows Update. It’s bad enough that Bing doesn’t work that well as a search engine. It’s worse that they’re trying to pass it off as a windows component, but the salt in the wounds is the way it MUST SIT BANG SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR DESKTOP WALLPAPER, BECAUSE IT IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT APP ON YOUR ENTIRE PC (okay, so you can dock it to the top edge, but it’s hardly customisable).

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