Saturday Shortbread

The Pick 6

  1. Fudzilla: DRAM price set to fall again
  2. Intel Brickland & Grantley platforms revealed at

    VR-Zone: Ivy Bridge-EX, Haswell-EX, Broadwell-EX

  3. VR-Zone on Haswell Xeon(s) – too much of heaven?
  4. WSJ: Amazon’s Sept. 6 press invite fans Kindle Fire rumors
  5. Gizmodo: Windows 8 tells Microsoft about everything you install, not very securely
  6. GamesIndustry: Remedy calls next-gen (consoles) a “quantum leap


Saturday

  1. H Online: A $5,000 vulnerability in Facebook
  2. C|Net: Court affirms $675,000 penalty in music-downloading case
  3. CNNMoney: Kodak to sell film business
  4. LanOC Reviews takes Systemax Ohio factory tour
  5. Eurocom launches Scorpius: The world’s fastest Ivy Bridge-based super-laptop
  6. Raidon Technology joint contest at NikKTech
  7. NCIX and Newegg have weekend deals

Mobile

  1. HotHardware reviews Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1
  2. AllThingsD reports Facebook updates its iOS app
  3. BCCHardware’s Android app of the week: Google Translate

Software and gaming

  1. SecurityWeek: Flash Player bug exploited by malicious Word documents
  2. NGOHQ: Microsoft orders DMCA takedown for Windows 8 screenshots
  3. Kotaku: Windows 8 is not good for gamers
  4. Gizmodo: Windows 8 isn’t bad for gaming
  5. Phoronix pits OS X 10.8 vs. Ubuntu Linux: A battle with no clear winner
  6. XSReviews on Orcs Must Die! 2

Systems, storage, and networking

  1. PC Perspective reviews Lenovo IdeaPad Z580
  2. HotHardware reviews Lenovo IdeaPad U310
  3. techPowerUp! reviews Asus Maximus V Formula / ThunderFX
  4. HardwareLook pits 8GB Crucial Ballistic Elite vs. Tactical 1866MHz memory kits
  5. TWL reviews 2TB Western Digital Red Drive HDD
  6. ocaholic tests 256GB OCZ Vertex 4 with firmware 1.5
  7. ProClockers review Kingston DataTraveler Locker+ G2 USB flash drive
  8. Legit Reviews on Netgear R6300 802.11ac wireless router
  9. NikKTech’s QNAP TurboNAS TS-269 Pro NAS server review

Multimedia, power, casing & cooling

  1. ocaholic continues HD 7970 vs. GTX 680 gaming performance explorations
  2. Motherboards.org and Ultimate Hardware review Palit GeForce GTX 660 Ti
  3. TweakTown reviews SteelSeries Siberia V2 headset
  4. Rbmods on SteelSeries Xeox Pro analog game pad
  5. Funky Kit reviews 650W Antec Earthwatts Platinum PSU
  6. Hardware Secrets reviews BitFenix Prodigy case
  7. ProClockers review SilverStone FT03 mini-ITX case
  8. PCStats reviews Vantec NexStar HX NST-330SU3 HDD external case
  9. Hardware.Info’s Zalman CNPS12X vs. be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 2 comparison
  10. NinjaLane reviews Cooler Master GeminII M4 heatsink
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    • blastdoor
    • 7 years ago

    QFT from the haswell Xeon story:

    “Well, when one is the sole leader at the top, well, he can afford to delay and nix the schedule as he wishes, as there is no other vendor breathing down its neck – Chimpzilla, where art thou? Do we need a new challenger?”

    Very hard to see who might compete with intel for customers buying this class of Xeon. I think we just have to live with the situation.

      • jdaven
      • 7 years ago

      Well the very high end still uses Power, SPARC and GPGPU. The low end has ARM coming and the leftover scraps go to AMD at least until they go bankrupt.

        • NeelyCam
        • 7 years ago

        ARM will fail in servers because:

        1) Current infrastructure is pretty much all x86. It’s hard to break into an established market
        2) Intel is more power-efficient, and will only become more so because of their ever-increasing process advantage
        3) Intel can afford to spend way more on architecture R&D than ARM, extending their architectual lead

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]GamesIndustry: Remedy calls next-gen (consoles) a "quantum leap" [/quote<] But, but, but, in the show Quantum Leap, he always went into the past.

      • Duck
      • 7 years ago

      No, he jumped forward or backward through time with each hop.

        • Deanjo
        • 7 years ago

        No he jumped only within his lifetime and it was always in the past, except for one episode where he was briefly in the present.

      • Shouefref
      • 7 years ago

      Funny. A quantum is actually very very small. So I guess we can ignore the next-gen consoles.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    RIP Neil Armstrong

      • chuckula
      • 7 years ago

      This + 30 (for the number of seconds of reserve fuel he had when the Eagle touched down on the Moon).

      To put things in perspective with all the complaining we do about how our computers aren’t good enough, just remember that he piloted the moon landing using the command module and Lunar Module’s Apollo Guidance Computer computer that had:
      — about a 1 MHz internal clock speed for its CPU (a 2 MHz crystal was used and divided numerous times to provide the clock for the CPU, communication busses, and various other components)
      — The CPU was a lovely 16 bits (15 bits effective in memory with 1 parity bit and numerically 14 bits effective with an overflow bit and the parity bit)
      — A 16 bit data bus that ran at the blazing frequency of 0.5 MHz
      — 2048 words of RAM (~4 kilobytes)
      — 36K words of ROM that stored the system software (~72 kilobytes)
      — But hey! It did have a power-saving mode: The astronauts could manually drop the guidance computer into a “sleep” mode that used ~10 watts instead of 70 Watts. Apparently the feature was never actually used during flight though.

      So basically, your Arduino project has more oomph that what got Neil Armstrong to the moon.

      Of course, there’s one little thing that no extreme Intel or AMD box with massive CPU coolers and quad-graphics has: The training, skill, and outright heroism of Neil Armstrong, all the other astronauts, and the whole NASA program that got them to the moon. Godspeed Neil Armstrong!

        • Duck
        • 7 years ago

        Well not really. The “oomph” came from the rocket he was riding. You just provide proof you don’t need much in the way of computing power to get to the moon.

        Training, sure. Skill… errr… some. Concert pianists would have more skill, but no one raves about that. People seem to be more impressed by seeing some work a unicycle sometimes. Heroism? I don’t see how. You had to be a risk taker to get to the moon. Maybe the Russians would have got there first if they were willing to take more risk.

        And what has god got to do with it? These sort of comments detract from the accomplishment in my opinion, and are highly unwelcome.

        The moon landing thing was good. But I’m more impressed by the latest NASA Mars rover mission. [url=http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eab_1345630352<]here is a great video I found of the landing[/url<]. I find it highly impressive. It does run faster than realtime though. Probably to give a smoother framerate.

          • Shouefref
          • 7 years ago

          All those feats are impressive. You can’t do the one without the other. The Mercury led to the Gemini led to the Apollo. The Atlas led finally to the Saturn.
          The Apollo led to Skylab.
          All those taken together led to the Space Shuttle.
          All those rockets are needed to get the heavy, fine instruments on Mars, on the Moon, on the planetoids and comets; to get those things to Venus and Mercury, to get them to Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune and beyond.

          Don’t underestimate the precision needed for the launch of the Saturn V rocket.
          Structurally, its rocket engines are on the wrong spot: they should be at the top of the rocket to keep it stable. If the rocket goes a bit out of the vertical, the engines push it even more out of the vertical. If they would be at the top, they draw the rocket to the vertical.
          But if they are at the top, they have to pump up all the fuel against the accelaration forces. Imagine that.

          • Deanjo
          • 7 years ago

          [quote<]And what has god got to do with it? These sort of comments detract from the accomplishment in my opinion, and are highly unwelcome.[/quote<] Neil was a religious man himself. So it is not disrespectful at all. If you have a problem with that, then that is your problem especially since the phrase was not directed to you in the first place.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            +1, my friend.

            • Duck
            • 7 years ago

            I didn’t say it was disrespectful. I asked what’s god got to do with it?

            Even Charles Darwin [i<]was[/i<] religious. So how is that relevant? It's not. You might a well chant "white power!" as he was white. It makes about as much sense to me and seems equally relevant.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            no, you’re confusing racist hate speech, with an individuals unfalsifiable belief in the divine. one of those is offensive, the other is no more offensive than the unfalsifiable belief there isn’t one. you pick a side (or don’t), but don’t get upset over somebody else’s beliefs. that’s just being silly.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]So how is that relevant? It's not[/quote<] Godspeed is the traditional US military and NASA wish for a good journey when launching ships and spacecraft. [url<]http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=good-luck-and-godspeed[/url<] [quote<]After a 28-hour countdown, on July 16, 1969 at 9:32 a.m. EDT, Apollo 11 blasted off from Launch Pad 39A at Cape Kennedy, Florida. Strapped to their couches in the command module atop the 363-foot tall, 7.6-million-pound thrust Saturn V rocket were three astronauts, each born in 1930, each weighing 165 pounds and all within an inch of the same height--five feet, 11 inches. They were Neil A. Armstrong, Michael Collins, and Edwin E. (Buzz) Aldrin, Jr. As the powerful rocket thundered away toward the Moon, the last words they heard from Launch Control were: "[b<]Good luck and Godspeed[/b<]." [/quote<] You may proceed trying to wedge out the foot from your mouth.

          • mattthemuppet
          • 7 years ago

          He was an American, ergo you’ll find the word God in all kinds of places in this nominally secular country. Same with heroes – the American cult of the individual means that the guy strapped into the rocket is the one that got himself to the moon, not the 100’s+ of incredibly smart people who spent years of work on the program. It’s just the way it is, heroes, geniuses and God 🙂

          Still, to get the chance to be the first man to step foot on the moon, that’s pretty cool and I get the feeling that Neil Armstrong understood and appreciated the privilege of being in that position.

          • Krogoth
          • 7 years ago

          Hindsight is 20/20.

          The difference is that gentlemen in LM were trending onto new territory. Nobody knew exactly what was going to happen when they finally touch on the lunar surface. It is much easier said to land an object, especially when there’s no air resistance and you are dealing with ~1/6 of the Earth’s gravity. The surface itself is very unforgiving to a bad landing (the lunar surface is littered with boulder fields) and there’s no way back if you blew it.

          The entire journey required “balls of iron”, because so much can go wrong despite all of the careful engineering and planning.

          Russian were trying hard as hell to beat USA to the Moon. The problem is that their launch vehicle (N-1 Booster) kept exploding on launch pad. You need some kind of heavy lifter for the all equipment you need for a manned lunar expedition. They had to settle for plan B with the unmanned Lunokhod program (Grandfather of all modern rovers).

    • cynan
    • 7 years ago

    [url=http://www.ocaholic.ch/xoops/html/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=819&page=11<]It's official![/url<] AMD currently has the fastest single GPU video card on the planet (which also happens to cost less than the competition on average)! Suck it Nvidiots!! ;-P

      • Price0331
      • 7 years ago

      Wasn’t this guy banned a few days ago?

        • cynan
        • 7 years ago

        No my dear. I think that was can-a-tuna for continuing to allege that TR was biased against AMD in their reviews, if I have my facts straight.

        My post is obviously utter nonsense (hence the ;-P). I just saw that performance index chart (showing only 0.55% difference, no less) on the page I linked from one of the articles listed in the bread and couldn’t resist.

        The review clearly indicates that each card outperforms the other in various games and that, essentially, they are a dead heat as far as average FPS goes. If anything, I think TR reviews have shown that Nvidia may have a slight performance edge (at least below 4MP) as they seem to get away with a bit less frame latency issues in more games… but I digress.

          • ultima_trev
          • 7 years ago

          TR’s review displayed that HD 7970 GHz Edition had lower latency frames than an OCed GTX 680. Now that one can find HD 7970 GHz Edition cards for around the $460 mark, OC versions included, on Newegg… I’d say AMD wins the enthusiast single GPU segment hands down.

          • Price0331
          • 7 years ago

          Damn you internet coupled with my inability to detect textual sarcasm!

          But wow, 0.55% difference, coupled with TR’s recent data, the GPU’s are close.

      • rrr
      • 7 years ago

      Yay, 0,55% more on average traded for worse power efficiency.

        • ultima_trev
        • 7 years ago

        But far better compute performance, making the AMD solution more future proof.

      • d34thly
      • 7 years ago

      I know the post is sarcasm, but I’ve never actually cared which graphics card is faster. I usually buy both a top end Radeon and a top end GeForce and more often than not selling or giving away the Radeon because it always has issues in at least a couple of the games I play (missing hitboxes because of the way it pushes out frames, game freezes and crashes, stuttering in causeway blitzes). I love Radeons (from a hardware perspective) but the drivers always seem to inherently suck. Nvidia on the other hand, is an awful company that will do ANYTHING to get ahead financially, but I have yet to be let down by a GeForce while gaming so I continue to use them currently.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]NGOHQ: Microsoft orders DMCA takedown for Windows 8 screenshots[/quote<] I guess if I was Microsoft, I would be inclined to use any means necessary as well to hide that embarrassment of a UI.

      • CuttinHobo
      • 7 years ago

      I guess giving everyone a chance to [b<]use preview versions of the OS for FREE[/b<] is ok, but screenshots? That's just goin' too far, man! 😀

        • sweatshopking
        • 7 years ago

        yeah, that sounds like a lawyer not discussing with management. makes no sense.

      • jpostel
      • 7 years ago

      This has gone completely off the rails:

      [quote<] Update #2: It appears other websites have recently received a similar DMCA takedown notice: BetaNews, gHacks, Hardware Canucks, PowerArchiver, Technize.[/quote<]

        • l33t-g4m3r
        • 7 years ago

        Just tells you how out of hand this is getting. Fairuse says they can’t do that. But if you aren’t going to challenge it, what good is having that right?

    • Vivaldi
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]C|Net: Court affirms $675,000 penalty in music-downloading case [/quote<] What happened to the Eighth Amendment, prohibiting "excessive fines" and "cruel or unusual punishment"? Can this guy escape this ridiculousness by declaring bankruptcy?

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND? HE DOWNLOADED A SONG, [b<] THAT HE DIDN'T PAY FOR!!!!!! [/b<] HE SHOULD HAVE HIS LIFE DESTROYED.

        • rrr
        • 7 years ago

        I AGREE!!! THAT IS AN ATROCITY!!! BRING TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS!!!!

        CRUCIFY ALL WHO DOWNLOAD SONGS!!!

      • chµck
      • 7 years ago

      He was able to talk them down to $67,500. However, it’s still sad that the judge needed to be reminded of the arbitrary cruel&unusual punishment clause.

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      Criminals. Whatcha gonna do when they come for you…?

      [url<]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxHbO1MHXuI[/url<]

        • sweatshopking
        • 7 years ago

        not a criminal in my country.

          • cynan
          • 7 years ago

          Not entirely true.

          Apparently, the reason they (jury) went after the guy to such an extent was because he had been doing this for years, had been warned more than once, and was allegedly distributing said downloads (though looks like only through P2P). Even in your country, it’s illegal to distribute copyrighted material. However, the chances of such a court case in said country is pretty much nil.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            actually, in Canada, the most recent ruling we have follows: For a brief period in 2004/2005, the sharing of copyrighted music files via peer-to-peer online systems was explicitly legal, due to a decision by the Federal Court, in BMG Canada Inc. v. John Doe. Under certain conditions both downloading and uploading were held to be legal. Specifically, paragraphs [24] and [25] of the decision stated that Section 80 of the Copyright Act allows downloading of musical works for personal use. This section specifically applied to musical works and therefore the decision made no determination as to the legality of downloading other forms of copyrighted works.

            Paragraphs [26] to [28] of the decision also made a ruling on uploading, stating that

            The mere fact of placing a copy on a shared directory in a computer where that copy can be accessed via a P2P service does not amount to distribution. Before it constitutes distribution, there must be a positive act by the owner of the shared directory, such as sending out the copies or advertising that they are available for copying.

            we also pay taxes to offset the impact of music downloading on the industry, and those taxes have paid out millions to the industry.

            as well: The Canadian Copyright Board gave the opinion that Private Copying of copyrighted sound recordings for one’s personal use was legal, irrespective of the source of that material. Users of P2P networks were thus clear of liability for copyright violations for any music file downloading activity. The decision noted that distributing music online was expressly excluded from the Private Copying exception, and it associated the word “uploading” with the act of distribution.

            The Copyright Board is not a court, and its opinion regarding the legality of downloading was publicly disputed by the Canadian Recording Industry Association. However, this decision was thought to be significant in that it provided guidance for court rulings on file sharing in the future.

            in Canada, it’s TOTALLY LEGAL TO SHARE MUSIC ONLINE.

    • Price0331
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]Gizmodo: Windows 8 tells Microsoft about everything you install, not very securely [/quote<] Linux ahoy!

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      there is an opt out. feel free to us it.

      as for the secure part: [quote<] The servers now only support SSLv3 connections [/quote<] ending any concerns about the securely part. yes, if you opt in to sending, it will send, but it is secure.

        • Deanjo
        • 7 years ago

        [quote<]Windows 8 has a new featured called Windows SmartScreen, which is turned on by default. [/quote<] [quote<]there is an opt out. feel free to us it.[/quote<] There is the problem right there. It's opt out instead of opt in.

          • sweatshopking
          • 7 years ago

          I don’t disagree. i’d prefer it to be off as well. they took the right stand with tracking, i’d like to see this protection extended. I mostly wanted to correct the “securely” bit. it’s secure.

          ars disagrees, however: [url<]http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/windows-8-privacy-complaint-misses-the-forest-for-the-trees/[/url<]

            • l33t-g4m3r
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]"I don't disagree."[/quote<] Yes you do. That was your first reply, which after you realized your foot was in your mouth, you backpeddled on it. I think we all know where you really stand on this. [url<]http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/[/url<]

        • Shouefref
        • 7 years ago

        Joe Six Pack or Family Man or however you’ll call them, won’t know that.
        Only we geeks will know that.

          • NeelyCam
          • 7 years ago

          I think organ donations should be opt-out instead of opt-in

        • Shouefref
        • 7 years ago

        [quote<]ending any concerns about the securely part. yes, if you opt in to sending, it will send, but it is secure[/quote<] That's nice: only MS will know it. Apparently only MS is entitled to know anything.

      • Deanjo
      • 7 years ago

      I wouldn’t go so far as thinking Linux is a refuge and MS tracking that to improve their product is OK. Some Linux distro’s for example track the hardware that is in your system so that they know what to concentrate their efforts on. What I do have an issue with is that is another data collection application that is enabled by default instead of being off by default with the option of joining in.

        • Price0331
        • 7 years ago

        I’m fine with software distributors knowing about my hardware, I think that is pretty safe in terms of who has that (I always do the Steam hardware survey). But all of my programs, that’s another story. I’m certain one could ascertain personal information from those data. And yes, it should be an on switch, not an off switch.

          • Deanjo
          • 7 years ago

          What could be so sensitive about them knowing what software you have installed on your machine? Chances are any personal information you have in the machine could already be known by the installation of Windows already itself upon registration. It’s not like MS is downloading your Quicken data.

          If your worried about MS knowing what software you have installed on your machine then the chances are you have good reason to be and more then likely for legality reasons.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            THAT’S RIGHT. THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE SCARED ARE GUILTY. INFRINGE ON THOSE RIGHTS, UNLESS, THAT IS, YOU’RE A COWARD, AND A CROOK.

            • Shouefref
            • 7 years ago

            It’s often very difficult to make people see that somebody else just isn’t supposed to know so much about your computer or you private life or whatever. Ask the jews. They learned about it the thirties.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            AHH, THE OLD NAZI COMPARISON. YES, OF COURSE, IF ONLY THEY HADN’T INSTALLED WINDOWS, THE WHOLE THING COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

            seriously, wtf are you talking about? are you actually posting that seriously? my sarcasm detection is failing, but that post is so silly i’m assuming it must be…

            • Shouefref
            • 7 years ago

            Sorry about those nazi’s. My inspiration is limited sometimes.

            The point is: you might thinkg it’s innocent what you do on the internet or on your computer, but look at your reaction on my comparison, and then you’ll see not everybody thinks the same about something.
            All right, you’re not gonna kill me for this, but what do you think of this; an employee of Coca Cola got fired one because he drunk Pepsi. Might sound logical, but suppose that employee drunk bear, or coffee, or tea, or whatever. Would they have sacked him for that too? Where is the line? Who draws the line?

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            OMG, what if MS knew that I was trying to install Firefox. Surely the world would end.

            Mountains out of molehills.

            Seriously, it is completely moronic to think that MS would do something sinister with knowing what applications you have installed but yet trust them enough to install their closed source OS in the first place.

            • Shouefref
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]OMG, what if MS knew that I was trying to install Firefox. [/quote<] Surely they would try to prevent that. That was the good part of that European law some years ago: Europe forced MS [i<]to give you a choice. Use the freedom they've offered you..[/i<]

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            The EU forced them to present [i<]alternative[/i<] default browsers. MS never prevented installation of any browsers.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<] employee drunk bear [/quote<] i'd ask him HOW THE HELL HE DID IT.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            -1. Unnecessary typo nitpicking.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            [url<]http://www.indiaresource.org/news/2003/4444.html[/url<]

            • Shouefref
            • 7 years ago

            A better example:

            suppose you live in Russia and you had put on your Facebook profile – before they were arrested.- that you like Pussy Riot.
            Three members are convicted in the meantime, and two others fled the country.
            I think there are still 7 left.

            Got it?

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            So they were arrested for using a Casio keyboard?

            • Shouefref
            • 7 years ago

            It’s about what ‘they’ know about you. That’s a general question. Somebody was fired because of drinking Pepsi, remember?
            Suppose you work at a Ford garage. Would you be permitted to drive a Chrysler?

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]Suppose you work at a Ford garage. Would you be permitted to drive a Chrysler?[/quote<] Absolutely. I know plenty of mechanics and there is nothing that prevents them driving what they want. Again, mountain out of a molehill. Extreme paranoia at the best. In fact I know MS employees that use macs and linux. I know hundreds of Apple employees that use pretty much anything (even one guy that had a Zune). So unless you can prove to me that MS is going to call your boss and say "Hey XYZ is using your competitors product and you have to fire him" then you are presenting nothing but pure FUD.

            • l33t-g4m3r
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]"THE OLD NAZI COMPARISON."[/quote<] Which of course, you take personal offense to. Wonder why? Cover it up, water under the bridge, history doesn't repeat itself. Nevermind the chilling parallels that involve our government, including the patriot act, homeland security, guantanamo, assassination, pre-emptive war, and the TSA. Papers please? Nobody here's saying the 3rd reich has ressurected itself, only that there are some interesting similarities, and that it is never a good idea to mimic those policies because of what those policies lead to. People have rights, and when you disregard those rights, you end up being a slave.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            i thought we agreed you’d stop the crazy.

            [url<]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law[/url<] you may want to look it up. you're pretty much proof for dear old godwin. [url<]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum[/url<] also you. ALL THE TIME.

            • l33t-g4m3r
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]"i thought we agreed you'd stop the crazy."[/quote<] I agreed to nothing, aside from stating that I'm not going to "debate" you on your preferred form of authoritarian governance. You however did state that you were going to "behave" in a separate post. Anyway, you were the one who in ALL CAPS broke Godwin's Law. Regardless, GL is not the throwaway catch all that automatically invalidates an argument that you think it is. Especially when you [i<]are[/i<] a Nazi, or are discussing similar policies. TLDR: Godwin's Law is a cop out.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            not only is it not a cop out, it’s totally accurate in this case.

            maybe you are confused about his “jew” comment (your grasp on history seems tenuous at best), but it was bringing up the holocaust.

            and i know you never agreed. i’m just going to keep reminding you that you’ve been repeatedly unable to make a coherent post. you post random stuff about “fascism” and “communism” with no ability to back any of it up. i just like reminding you that i won, hoping you’ll bring it back to tech, rather than your bizarre birther reality.
            edit: and you know what? i’d think that in probably 99% of the case it’s brought up online IT DOES INVALIDATE THE ARGUMENT. it’s an attempt to spin something you’re unable to explain by using extremes. we’re talking 1940’s european history, bring it up. otherwise, lrn2articulatecoherently.

            • l33t-g4m3r
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]"i just like reminding you that i won"[/quote<] You [url=http://img.moonbuggy.org/arguing-on-the-internet-is-like-running-in-the-special-olympics/<]won[/url<] what exactly? You've never directly addressed anything, and always use logical fallacies as your points. That's not debating, nor have you won. The only thing you've accomplished here is solidifying my decision to fight fire with fire, because you're incapable of an honest discussion. Nor does your opinion matter to me at all, with you being a Canadian. I might as well be arguing with Ahmadinejad, because you're both nutty, and both of your opinions on governance matter about the same to everyone else in the free world. Socialism doesn't work, it collapses like greece, and most countries are cutting welfare programs to keep above water. You can't implement "charity" as a government right because A: It's no longer charity; and B: It destroys the economy.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            A: doesn’t matter. sensible care NEEDING TO BE CHARITY? [url<]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW4lOalzWAc[/url<] B: silliness. type what you want about "special olympics", but you know the truth. you can pretend you are "fighting fire with fire", but we both know the truth. You can pretend i've "never directly addressed anything", but we both know the truth. i directly addressed your "charity care" position, and you can move goal posts all you want, but we both know i was right, and i backed it up. You can pretend i'm "nutty", but we both know the truth. You tell me to research it myself, because you're OH SO BUSY. AKA "hopefully you find something to prove you wrong, because i'm unable to!" Birthers are nutty, and inforwars sucks. Certainly we can agree on that!

            • l33t-g4m3r
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]"You can pretend i'm "nutty", but we both know the truth."[/quote<] Yeah, you're the nuttiest nutbag in the entire world, and remind me of the OWS protestors. [quote<]"you're OH SO BUSY"[/quote<] I already told you I'm not debating you when you resort to logical fallicies and don't address points. Has nothing to do with being busy. I just don't care to "debate" a troll. You're an ideologue who doesn't think outside the communist paradigm. [quote<]"type what you want about "special olympics", but you know the truth."[/quote<] You can't handle the truth. The truth is that you think bringing up Godwin's Law allows you to cop out, while the special olympics doesn't apply to you. Total hypocrisy, and this "logic" is exactly what your problem is. You get to cop out all you want, but nobody can call you on your BS. [quote<]"i've "never directly addressed anything"[/quote<] You haven't, won't, and don't consider points to the contrary to be points, so yes. As far as I'm concerned, you have no valid arguments when you don't recognize the pitfalls in your utopian ideology. Utopianism is fiction, and never will be anything more than fiction, and attempting to implement it will always result in a dystopia. The world is better off without authoritarian nutbags who think they know how to better run your life. Also, I said charity (in general), not charity care, and there are plenty of charity hospitals in my area, so you still have no point, and you never did. Obamacare was written by the insurance companies for profiteering, and has nothing to do with providing decent healthcare, not to mention it's unconstitutional and likely to be thrown out if Romney is elected. Regardless, how we implement health care is none of your business, and no amount of "debating" can change that fact. [quote<]you can call my ideology crazy, but you don't even know what it is, so here: [url<]http://bahai-library.com/graham_bahai_economics[/url<] that's my system.[/quote<] I took a look at your link and it all makes sense now. You are the Bahá'í equivalent of a muslim extremist who advocates shariah law. This is why you are incapable of "debating" or reasoning, because this is a religious ideology of yours. I believe in the separation of church and state, as you and the muslims are good examples of why the church should not be combined with the state. Theocracy sucks. I also noted direct ties to Maynard Keynes and the UN. Bahá'í appears to be nothing more than a puppet religion of the UN. This totally explains everything you stand for, and why you are against individual freedom and austrian economics. The UN is also a corrupt and illegitimate institution that invalidates your rights if you disagree with them. "These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations." Hayek vs. Keynes: [url<]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk[/url<] [url<]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc[/url<] Ron Paul educates some liberals [url<]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgp-kOquQAc&feature=related[/url<]

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<] you have no valid arguments when you don't recognize the pitfalls in your ideology [/quote<] pot calling the kettle black? now you're changing our previous discussion?!?!? we previously (as in not today) TALKED ABOUT CHARITY CARE. i linked saying it's falling, and WAY below a level to meet demand. you stopped responding, like you do EVERY TIME YOU LOSE. then you say "blah blah communist" next time you post. in the godwins law discussion, the ORIGINAL POSTER AGREED HIS POINT WASN'T GOOD, AND APOLOGIZED FOR IT. wtf man? you can call my ideology crazy, but you don't even know what it is, so here: [url<]http://bahai-library.com/graham_bahai_economics[/url<] that's my system. i like your use of nuts in the first sentence. if there is one thing i love, it's NUTS! and since i know you love it, ♥♥♥♥ XOXOXOXO

        • chuckula
        • 7 years ago

        I was just thinking that the Arch repositories that I use are already tracking the vast majority of programs I install just by virtue of having web server logs for the packages that I download.

        Now, I’m not saying that Arch is actually “tracking” me with those logs, especially because I mostly download from mirror sites that are beyond Arch’s direct control.. BUT… if you are using an online repository-based system (which almost all Linux distros do), then whoever runs the repository can at a minimum track package usage by IP address without even having to have a “phone home” capability built in to the packaging system or third party software.

        Just something to make you want to add another layer to the tinfoil hat.

          • Deanjo
          • 7 years ago

          Heh, bottom line is that if you don’t want people tracking what you are doing then stay off the net. Period.

            • Shouefref
            • 7 years ago

            No, that’s not true.
            Bottom line is that politicians never took a real interest in computers, untill it was too late and those computer companies succeeded in having it their own way.

    • Meadows
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]Kotaku: Windows 8 is not good for gamers Gizmodo: Windows 8 isn't bad for gaming[/quote<] Make up your minds already.

      • ColdMist
      • 7 years ago

      Especially when both sites are Gawker sites.

        • colinstu12
        • 7 years ago

        It get’s them web traffic! That means money!

          • Meadows
          • 7 years ago

          Get’s?

            • dpaus
            • 7 years ago

            Yeah, the possessive form of the verb ‘get’.

            What, youse don’t get’s it?

      • cheapFreeAgent
      • 7 years ago

      LoL yes, but what about:

      Windows 8 is not good for gaming
      Windows 8 isn’t bad for gamers

      • Shambles
      • 7 years ago

      It’s a battle of which crappy website to ignore more.

      • Arag0n
      • 7 years ago

      Honestly, the article of Gizmodo is better tho than Kotaku…. no wonder why Gizmodo is the main site and Kotaku is just a spare-time hobby.

      Just after reading the sentence: “You have to go back to the start screen to start a steam game” made me think the writer has no idea what he is talking about. I use steam on Windows 8 and my common way to launch steam games is through steam library or right click the docked steam icon -> play X game.

      Who the hell installs games from steam and uses the “Games” folder to launch them?

      • DeadOfKnight
      • 7 years ago

      Windows 8 is not good for gamers
      Windows 8 isn’t bad for gaming

      Both of these statements are true; gaming is not the only thing a gamer uses his or her PC for.

      • d34thly
      • 7 years ago

      Windows 8 is meh for gaming and gamers

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