Apple introduces the iPhone 5

In case you hadn’t heard, there’s a new iPhone. Rumors about the device have been swirling for months. This morning, while live blogs buzzed, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller unveiled the iPhone 5 at a press event in San Francisco. As expected, the handset supports 4G LTE in addition to the usual mix of wireless networks.

Like most new Apple products, the iPhone 5 is thinner and lighter than its forebear. The glass-and-aluminum body measures just 7.6 mm thick and weighs only 112 grams—18% thinner and 20% lighter than the iPhone 4S. The new screen, which features in-cell integrated touch sensors, gets some of the credit for the slimmer body.

Despite having a thinner profile, the iPhone 5’s screen is actually larger. It measures 4" diagonally, or half an inch larger than iPhone 4S’s LCD. The resolution has gone up from 960×640 to 1136×640, increasing real estate and boosting PPI slightly. Even though the aspect ratio is a movie-friendly 16:9, the screen can’t display 720p content in all its glory. Picture quality should be good, though. Apple says the new screen improves color saturation by 40% and covers the full sRGB color gamut.

In addition to an upgraded screen, the iPhone 5 features a new system-on-a-chip: the Apple A6. That new processor has dual cores based on ARM’s Cortex-A15, and it’s claimed to offer twice the CPU performance of the A5 chip in the iPhone 4S. Graphics performance has purportedly improved by a factor of two, as well. EA Executive Producer Rob Murray was brought on stage to give a quick demo of a racing game, and he said the iPhone 5 offers "full console quality" graphics. We’ve heard that claim before, and it gets less impressive the older current-gen consoles get.

Although Apple didn’t reveal the fabrication process used to manufacture its new SoC, the chip is supposed to be 22% smaller than its predecessor. It should be pretty power-efficient, too. The iPhone 5’s battery is said to be good for eight hours of 4G web surfing.

The iPhone’s 8MP rear-facing camera has also gotten a boost from the A6, which can capture images 40% faster than the old shooter. Looks like the A6 provides the processing grunt behind some fresh filtering and noise-reduction algorithms, plus new low-light and panorama modes. The front-facing camera is now capable of 1080p video capture for FaceTime calls, too, and there are three separate microphones onboard.

As expected, the iPhone 5 features a smaller docking connector, which Apple dubs Lightning. The connector is reversible—a nice touch—but the adapter for existing accessories looks far from elegant. There’s no word on how much that adapter will cost, either.

Naturally, the iPhone 5 features a new version of iOS that will trickle out to some older iDevices. The original iPad isn’t on the list, but the iPhone 3GS is. Incidentally, the 3GS is being discontinued. Apple’s updated iPhone lineup starts with the 4, which will be free on contract, followed by the 4S at $99 and the base iPhone 5 at $199. That $199 will get you 16GB of storage, but you’ll be able to grab 32GB and 64GB versions of the iPhone 5 for $299 and $399, respectively. Pre-orders will start on September 14, with shipments to the US and a several other countries set to begin a week later. Thanks to live blogs at The Verge and AnandTech for the details on Apple’s presentation.

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    • Anarchist
    • 7 years ago

    I think, … if the number of people getting in line to buy iphone 5 exceeds that of iphone 3, then either Obamma or Romney will become our next president. If not I think there is a real possibility that people will write in name Ron Paul, or someone else for that matter, and we may have a surprise winner and thus collectively flip a middle finger at the elite oligarchy that controls the country.

      • destroy.all.monsters
      • 7 years ago

      That was random.

    • Beelzebubba9
    • 7 years ago

    So Anand believes that the A6 is not A15 based, but a totally custom core:

    [url<]http://www.anandtech.com/show/6292/iphone-5-a6-not-a15-custom-core[/url<] [i<]Fascinating.[/i<]

      • Beelzebubba9
      • 7 years ago

      Self bump, but goddamn:

      [url<]http://www.anandtech.com/show/6298/analyzing-iphone5-geekbench-results[/url<] ...assuming those are real, Apple did a pretty amazing job with the A6.

    • End User
    • 7 years ago

    Pre-ordered mine at 3:01 AM. 64GB black unlocked. Booyah!

      • derFunkenstein
      • 7 years ago

      Unlocked? You can’t even get in line for those on Apple’s store.

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    seriously??? it’s 2012!!!
    [url<]http://www.neowin.net/news/iphone-5-cant-do-simultaneous-voice-and-data-on-verizon-sprint[/url<]

    • entropy13
    • 7 years ago

    First look with the iPhone5:
    [url<]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4[/url<]

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      just like the ipad 3. peeps can’t tell the difference, but damn, they gotta buy one.

        • n00by
        • 7 years ago

        This is a really strong psychological effect, people just want to latest and greatest even if they don’t need it.

          • entropy13
          • 7 years ago

          Weirdly, they’re most probably the ones who’ll call people who upgrade video cards/CPUs every generation as “idiots.”

      • pedro
      • 7 years ago

      Take a look on Craigslist or equivalent. It’s like the wild west right now with dudes scrambling to sell the old stuff before the new one arrives in the post.

      It’s kinda crazy!

    • ronch
    • 7 years ago

    It’s been said that Apple’s technological edge shrinks as time goes on. And indeed, I think this is true. On one hand, I’m not an Apple fan but I do applaud Apple for managing to keep ahead of the pack. They have a very tough job of keeping ahead of everyone else, ahead of companies with formidable technology. On the other hand, I also find it a bit lame/funny that many folks try too hard, borrow money, and buy an iDevice just to flaunt it or just get on the Apple bandwagon/craze. I mean, the iPhone 4S costs about 3x (in my country, at least) as much as a ‘midrange’ Android phone like, say, the Sony Xperia Sola, which is a pretty cool phone by my standards. And you can still play Angry Birds really really well on the Sola while saving about 65% of your cash. It may not have Siri, but heck, the Sola (or other Android phones in its price range) is still a very cool toy.

    I say this because I’m planning to buy a new smartphone as I type this, specifically (you guessed it), the Sola. Very nice phone for the price. I can splurge and get the iPhone 4S or 5, but I think I can be very satisfied with a much cheaper but still excellent alternative.

      • Bensam123
      • 7 years ago

      Apple doesn’t actually innovate, they no longer have anything new to bring to the table and companies that actually do innovate (HTC, Samsung, Google), will now use what Apple got right to catapult them forward. A five year complete dominance of the market isn’t bad though.

      I agree about iPhone costs. Especially now with what HTC and Samsung are putting out.

        • trackerben
        • 7 years ago

        Samsung innovative? Perhaps in memory and display manufacturing processes, but in the phone market they are mainly known for their talent in engineering and manufacturing. They have been characterized by insiders as quick n’ dirty followers in the industry.

        William Blair & Co: “…Companies such as Samsung, who we categorize as fast followers, have been viewed by the industry for their ability to quickly adopt the latest handset trends … rather than their ability to introduce fundamental innovation…”

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    people so dumb [url<]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4&feature=youtu.be[/url<]

    • twalkman
    • 7 years ago

    Despite the mostly bashing comments I think the 5 is at the top of the chart – as long as you value thin and light more than a big screen.

    Where Apple has a big problem is 6 months from now. This phone isnt good enough to stay at the top of the chart for long. They are going to get hammered in market share if they stay with their yearly update cycle.

    • Arclight
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]Apple Announces New iPhone With N-Word On Back Knowing Customers Will Buy It Anyway[/quote<] Source: [url<]http://www.theonion.com/articles/apple-announces-new-iphone-with-nword-on-back-know,29531/[/url<]

    • corwin155
    • 7 years ago

    wow real innovation (cr)apple
    real snooze fest on this one
    only thing new really is the NEW improved connector , because now all the apple bots have to buy all new connectors lol
    good glad apple bots have to spend alot of money for nothing new (cr)apple
    apple is smart they know they can get away with very little improvements and milk the hell out of their fanbots

    • Silus
    • 7 years ago

    LOL, so the biggest thing of this iPhone is a 4” screen and 4G ? Yay, welcome to 2010/2011 Apple!
    I’m sure the fanatics are already in line to get one of these revolutionary devices! You know, now by default there’s a panorama app!!! Innovation!!!

    • trackerben
    • 7 years ago

    I’m not finding much excitement for the latest iPhone, at least compared to the feeling I got from seeing previous models, especially the iPhone 4. It could be the many leaks had moderated my expectations, but it’s more likely because Nokia for once has technology even more special and just as polished. The new Lumia’s stabilized video and wireless charging got my attention, those things remove a lot of operating burden. The wireless charging in particular would make a handy difference in daily use, it’s something I was expecting Apple to match.

    This is still the smartphone to beat for those who want a premium personal exchange and applications experience. LTE is a current make-or-break feature for those who have the connectivity, otherwise it’s necessary future-proofing. Yes the new cpu/gpu is fantastic but I would expect this to have greater impact in the bigger screens of upcoming iPads like the new mini or perhaps iPad TV. The 4″ lengthwise screen in the smaller form is about right and will serve it well in its roles as GPS navigation and gaming console. Apple’s iOS even in its older implementions still has useful-every-minute stuff like BT hotspotting and frontal power-on which aren’t found elsewhere, apparently not even in WP7 Lumias.

    The overall UI still wouldn’t dissuade me from my classic keypad phone, but it’s good enough for its main purpose and the handy size doesn’t add the category negatives that come with Droids and WP7s in supersized casings. I’m going to take a close look at the Lumia 920 to see if its carry-friendly enough to try before making full conclusions about the iPhone 5. Hopefully Google will release news about its next Nexus soon enough to mess with everyone’s calculations and keep things interesting just a little longer.

    • pedro
    • 7 years ago

    I’ve got a radical idea that I’m patenting this afternoon. Make the [i<]entire[/i<] front of the phone a touchscreen. Put that in your iPipe and iSmoke it!

    • kamikaziechameleon
    • 7 years ago

    made the mistake of getting an ipad. Not any more magically stable than a flipping android device, twice as expensive, and it has iOS… probably my least favorite of the mobile OS’s on the market.

    EDIT:
    Sorry for not being relevant. I’m just not excited for anything with iOS at this point. Sure it looks pretty but that is for squat if I have to deal with their OS.

    • Bensam123
    • 7 years ago

    Kinda weird that it can’t do 720p videos with all those pixels… You think that’s one of the major things they’d nail down right away to show off all their pixels in all their glory… 1080p right after. Even more weird is that it can do 1080p facetime calls and has ‘console level graphics’, but still can’t do that.

      • cynan
      • 7 years ago

      It’s got the right aspect ration for 720p (16:9), and seeing as the screen is only 4″, I wouldn’t be surprised if the ppi was greater on the iPhone 5 vs, say the Galaxy SIII or any of the other 720p Android handsets, for that matter.

      Edit: Actually, the PPI of the iPhone5 and most Android 720p 4.5-4.8″ phones are pretty similar…

        • Farting Bob
        • 7 years ago

        720p can fit any screen ratio, it doesnt have to be 16:9.

    • Anarchist
    • 7 years ago

    the 16G ipod touch is priced same as 7″ 16G kindle fire HD … does this mean the 7″ ipad won’t be priced at $199? I was thinking that apple could really do serious damage to android side with $199 7″ ipad.

    • link626
    • 7 years ago

    seems like apple always holds back just enough for the next iteration.

    this time they give you 1136 x 640.

    They could have given 1280×720, but then they would have nothing to add to iphone 6.

    Still, it seems apple fans are happy with the minute upgrade.

    what other phone makers do in one upgrade, apple spreads out over several.

      • squeeb
      • 7 years ago

      Yea that resolution is weak. My 9 month old Nexus can do 720p.

      • Anonymous Coward
      • 7 years ago

      I presume it was for backwards compatibility. Recall how they more than once went through the trouble of cleanly doubling resolution on i-devices.

    • phez
    • 7 years ago

    Can’t wait for the Map patent wars to start.

    • drfish
    • 7 years ago

    [url=http://www.wpcentral.com/apples-new-nano-nokia-lumia<]LOL![/url<]

      • Madman
      • 7 years ago

      Another one – [url<]http://www.tomshardware.com/news/iPhone-5-Fake-GooPhone-Patent-Leaked-Images-Specs,17452.html[/url<]

        • sweatshopking
        • 7 years ago

        yeah, kotaku had that up a few days ago. it’s hilarious

          • sschaem
          • 7 years ago

          So they do industrial spying on Apple design and rush a clone to the market to ride on Apple coat tail.
          I guess if you dont have the ability to innovate, duplicate.

      • ClickClick5
      • 7 years ago

      *facepalm*

      But watch, Apple is in the right. Nokia will get sued.

        • sschaem
        • 7 years ago

        Dont you think the lumia and the old nano (6th gen) look identical beside the lumia being taller?

        That was my first reaction when I saw the lumia “Is that the new taller nano?”

        Its a total Apple design rip off.

          • End User
          • 7 years ago

          Agreed. I think Nokia even went as far back as the 5th gen nano for inspiration [url<]http://goo.gl/LcLMt[/url<]

            • A_Pickle
            • 7 years ago

            Man, I can totally see that, what with the touch-sensitive clickwheels on the newest Lumias. I tell you what, as soon as I saw those, I thought of exactly THAT iPod Nano.

            • trackerben
            • 7 years ago

            Nokia definitely copied design elements from Apple’s 6th gen Nano player for it’s smartphone. It’s not an issue between them, either because these are seen as different categories or because Nokia simply innovated the longer form first.

            Or perhaps because prior art is found in the casing of many 1960s-1970s IBM System 370 operator consoles.
            [url<]http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/dinosaur-sightings-ibm-5251-4000-series-vax-timex-sinclair-and-more/3370?seq=4[/url<]

      • link626
      • 7 years ago

      i would love to see a lawsuit.

      that looks like a trade dress violation.

      unfortunately, you could ban all nanos, and it wouldn’t put a dent in apple profits.

        • sschaem
        • 7 years ago

        Actually, the lumia is a ripoff of the nano 6th gen design style. Its just taller.

          • kc77
          • 7 years ago

          You mean one is a rectangle the other one is a square.

            • sschaem
            • 7 years ago

            Yes, thats how much design Nokia did. “Dude, lets just make a tall ipod…” .. Design work done.

            Lumia vs ipad 6th gen. I just used ms paint to past the lumia display in a taller ipod 6th gen, thats it.
            Same color scheme, same detail, both use a flatten cylindrical body. top and bottom edge flat, left/right edge fully rounded.
            They even use the same charcoal gray bezel with rounded edges.

            [url<]http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8161/lumiaj.jpg[/url<]

            • A_Pickle
            • 7 years ago

            [i<]Wow[/i<]. The lengths you guys go to protect your dearest is touching, really. Cognitive dissonance is a helluva thing.

            • sschaem
            • 7 years ago

            No dissonance, just educating.

            The fact are presented, you are welcome to go live in your own personal reality.

            • entropy13
            • 7 years ago

            Adesso mouse
            [url<]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826152027[/url<] X-Gene mouse [url<]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826129049[/url<] They look practically identical. Same color scheme (black, only the scroll wheel is different in color), same detail, both use a basic mouse body, bottom is flat obviously, top is just a slight curve, as well as their sides, both are USB, both are optical. They both have three buttons as well.

            • sschaem
            • 7 years ago

            The fact remain, lumia is based on the ipod 6 gen very unique design attributes.
            Not the way around like the first post implied.

            Dont try to pull a Chewbacca defense and ignore the facts.

      • pedro
      • 7 years ago

      Haha, this is hilarious.

      • cynan
      • 7 years ago

      And this is why it’s just plain stupid to award patents for shapes and general aesthetic designs of tech devices…

      If it’s a knock off like the Goophone, you’ll know it. Otherwise “imitation is the best form of flattery”. People imitating your designs helps give brand recognition to your product (if it’s already a market leader, anyway). Everybody knows what the real thing is. No one will ever mistake a Samsung phone/tablet for something made by Apple. In the long run, it makes your brand stronger, not weaker.

      Do you think other companies marketing carbonated colas has Coke all worried? Facial tissues and Klenex? Elbow noodles in “cheese” sauce and Kraft?

    • ClickClick5
    • 7 years ago

    No…..way….. A fifth phone?
    Joy.

    I can finally sleep.

    /sarcasm

    • mczak
    • 7 years ago

    Hmm, “boosting PPI slightly” – Geoff your math is off πŸ™‚
    Full calculation (taking not only diagonals into account but aspect ratio) shows it is actually very very sligthly lower – though the difference is only 1% so I guess the diagonal inch size isn’t quite accurate enough and more than likely the ppi is exactly the same.

    • Chrispy_
    • 7 years ago

    It’s an iPhone4S with service pack 2 and eight kilotons of unnecessary hype.

    Seriously, I’ve been using an iPhone4 (and a Galaxy SII) for a year now and I honestly can’t see why there is quite [b<]so much hype:[/b<] It looks like an iPhone4S, which looks like my iPhone4 It still doesn't have a standard USB port, you greedy, money-grabbing wallet-rapists. It still doesn't have a user-replacable battery (because batteries never get old) It still runs the same basic OS (jailbroken by necessity) It still wastes screen area with a home button that doesn't work properly and dead space either side. Whilst my android definitely has its quirks, I can't help but marvel at the choice and innovation in the android handset market. Apple, by contrast, is looking old, tired, and out of inspiration.

      • corwin155
      • 7 years ago

      Well said

      • BabelHuber
      • 7 years ago

      Two friends bought an iPhone4S just a few months ago.

      I was wondering how one could buy the old iPhone when the new one was around the corner.

      But now I know why: Both obviously knew that basically nothing will change with the new device πŸ™‚

        • Chrispy_
        • 7 years ago

        At least their old SIM cards will work with the 4S.

        I just had a bulletin from our corporate provider and the one standout feature was “requires new nano-SIM card”

        [b<]GODDAMNIT APPLE: STOPPIT WITH TEH INCOMPATIBLES ALREADY!![/b<]

        • NeelyCam
        • 7 years ago

        Still a bad move; they should’ve known that 4S prices will drop when 5 comes out

      • Da_Boss
      • 7 years ago

      Firstly, the hype is never imposed by Apple itself. It’s usually generated through sensationalist blogs and unrealistic fanboys. Anyone who really observes the industry knew exactly what was going to be presented.

      [quote<]It looks like an iPhone4S, which looks like my iPhone4[/quote<] Sure, the design has it's similarities to the iPhone 4, but the iPhone 4 had a great design. So, if you were Apple: Why change what works simply for the sake of change in a market you're currently leading? [quote<]It still doesn't have a standard USB port, you greedy, money-grabbing wallet-rapists.[/quote<] Welcome to Capitalism. Enjoy your stay. [quote<]It still doesn't have a user-replacable battery (because batteries never get old)[/quote<] This comes down to personal taste, I think. I've owned every iPhone since the 3G, and have never seen a need to change the battery. But some people find having the option valuable at the expense of battery size. To each their own. [quote<]It still runs the same basic OS (jailbroken by necessity)[/quote<] Not sure why, in the case of iOS, this is a bad thing. [quote<]It still wastes screen area with a home button that doesn't work properly and dead space either side.[/quote<] ...What? [quote<]Whilst my android definitely has its quirks, I can't help but marvel at the choice and innovation in the android handset market. Apple, by contrast, is looking old, tired, and out of inspiration.[/quote<] I can appreciate the amount of options in the Android space as well, but let's not get crazy and call it innovation. Smartphones today all have the same similar form factors, screen sizes, and UIs. There's no innovation in 100 devices that are all kinda the same. Choice, yes. Innovation? Not really. Also, innovation isn't an end, it's a means. You innovate to find better ways of doing things. You never innovate for the sake of wanting to innovate; especially when you're on top of a given market. Apple spent the better part of a decade building the ecosystem, partnerships, and products that made the original iPhone possible. Now that they've got a hit, all they really need to do is incrementally evolve and enhance. Over time, the innovation really shows itself. As an iPhone user, I can hardly remember a time when I couldn't multitask, copy/paste, or even manage notifications. Apple's slowly added feature after feature. They've given us time to digest new feature to create new workflows and usage patterns before throwing one more card into the deck. And over time, it's left users well educated and empowered, instead of confused. Don't believe me, look at Apple's satisfaction ratings. Look at the percentage of people who use FaceTime, buy apps, and browse the web when compared to Android. Despite selling half the volume of devices, their users actually take more advantage of Apples features and are more satisfied doing it. I think the Googles and Microsofts of the world can take a lesson from Apple's playbook on this one.

    • henfactor
    • 7 years ago

    Regardless if this meets market demands for features or not, as a third year mech eng. student, the fit and finish of this consumer device blows my mind. No other mobile device in the world can match what has been accomplished here from an industrial design standpoint, and that is what I believe separates Apple from other device manufactures.

    *Note: For anyone about to mention Nokia, I speak of design and not durability.

    • Hattig
    • 7 years ago

    Apart from the Anandtech liveblog, nowhere else mentions that it is based upon the ARM Cortex A15.

    I assume it would be, given that it is probably a 32nm device, and that A15 chips will be coming out around now. Would be amusing if it was a faster dual-A9 at 1.6GHz or a quad-A9 at 1GHz though…

    The GPU is probably a PowerVR series 6 “Rogue” as well, but still a fair chance it’s a worked over SGX535MP4 (as used in the A5X).

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      it shouldn’t be 32nm…. the s4 is 28…

        • brucethemoose
        • 7 years ago

        There isn’t enough 28nm to supply Apple.

          • sweatshopking
          • 7 years ago

          sucks for apple.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            TSMC 28nm is roughly equivalent to Samsung (or Intel) 32nm in performance.

        • Hattig
        • 7 years ago

        Samsung (where the chip is undoubtedly fabbed) offer a 32nm process, not a 28nm process. Qualcomm use TSMC who offer a 28nm process.

        • mczak
        • 7 years ago

        That would depend on who fabs the chips. The possible choices heard so far are Samsung (as previous chips) or TSMC. If Samsung, it would be 32nm. If TSMC, it would be 28nm.

          • NeelyCam
          • 7 years ago

          I’ll vote for Samsung 32nm.

          Although Apple getting priority treatment could surely explain some of the 28nm capacity issues other TSMC customers seem to be having

      • brucethemoose
      • 7 years ago

      … It could be that most other sites aren’t even knowledgable enough to know what Cortex A15, PowerVR, or 32nm/28nm even means.

      The ones that are among an ocean of iPhone 5 reports, so only big ones, like Anand, are even visible on google.

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      If it’s Rogue, it’d be the first shipping implementation of it… and I think Rogue should be more than “2x faster”.

      I vote for SGX554MP8

        • MadManOriginal
        • 7 years ago

        What’s most interesting to me about this thread is that no one is even questioning the benchmark. Any time AMD, NV, or Intel puts out an in-house benchmark number everyone wants to know the specifics – what settings, what benchmark, which games – before even talking about the underlying part. Why does Apple get a pass on the validity of the benchmark?

          • NeelyCam
          • 7 years ago

          Generally, I believe what the company says, depending on the history of such remarks, though. Apple has done these 2x improvements before, and benchies tend to back that up.

          Besides, it’s pointless to try to question the 2x right now – we’ll wait for Anand’sreview

      • adisor19
      • 7 years ago

      Exactly my feeling. Tech-Report is supposed to be a tech site. I thought you guys cared about the tech.. This is most likely the first SHIPPING Cortex A15 implementation as well as the fist shipping PowerVR series 6 GPU offering 2x the CPU and 2X the GPU performance over the Cortex-A9 and PowerVR SGX535MP2.

      I don’t think the GPU is a 535MP4 for the simple reason that it would cost too much and consume too much power no matter if it’s fabbed on a 32nano process.

      Adi

    • brucethemoose
    • 7 years ago

    Wow, didn’t know it was launched today. You just don’t see many phone launches on the TV or internet news.[/sarcasm]

    Glad to see an A15 though. I was convinced Apple would go with a rehashed A5 or a quad A9, so they get the “quad core” marketing bullet point.

    • NeelyCam
    • 7 years ago

    iPhone 5 aspect ratio: 16:9.

    So, can we please stop all the 16:10 silliness and agree that 16:9 is the new Golden Ratio?

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      at least the “magical” ratio?

      • cegras
      • 7 years ago

      You’re being sarcastic, right?

        • JohnC
        • 7 years ago

        Nah, he’s just another troll who thinks he’s “amusing” by repeating same nonsense…

          • NeelyCam
          • 7 years ago

          Why is it nonsense? Why is 16:10 great while 16:9 is crap and 16:16 is stupid?

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            who knows

            • superjawes
            • 7 years ago

            You’re stupid for expressing 1:1 as 16:16…

            At least 16:10 implies similar dimensions to 16:9.

            /nerdrage

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            I was accommodating those who are a bit math challenged

            • superjawes
            • 7 years ago

            I think the average TR user can handle fractions that clearly simplify to 1…

            But since you played the “math challenged” card, here’s something for you:

            1920 x 1080 = 2,073,600 pixels

            1920 x 1200 = 2,304,000 pixels

            2,304,000 – 2,073,600 = 230,400 pixels

            So settling for a 16:9 resolution over a 16:10 results in a 10% reduction in pixel count. Is a 10% change really “silliness”?

            I can agree that 16:9 isn’t necessarily bad, but the difference is unmistakeable, especially if you know some basic math.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            If you’re gonna be like that, let me remind you that 16:9 doesn’t necessarily mean 1920×1080. It could be 19200×10800

            The difference to 1920×1200 is unmistakeable, especially if you know some basic math

            • superjawes
            • 7 years ago

            The proper comparison, in that case, would be between 19200×12000 and 19200×10800, and the math doesn’t change. The 16:10 screen would still be a significant improvement over the 16:9.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            No – it’s not a “proper comparison”. It’s just a comparison that you like because it “proves” your point.

            In real life it proves nothing. For the same screen area and DPI, 16:9 and 16:10 have the same # of pixels – they are just ‘arranged’ differently.

            iPhone5 is a great example. They [i<]extended[/i<] the display in one dimension, and reached the 16:9 aspect ratio. They could've extended it [i<]less[/i<] to make it 16:10.. but 16:9 resulted in more pixels. Are you one of the math challenged I was referring to up there? And you called [i<]me[/i<] stupid..

            • superjawes
            • 7 years ago

            Arbitrarily comparing a lower pixel density with a higher one is flat out dishonest. For that matter, why don’t we just compare 1920×1080 to 6400×4800. That’s a lot more pixels in 4:3’s favor.

            The entire 16:9 vs. 16:10 argument is about more/less pixels for a given horizontal resolution. That’s why 16:9 displays are 1080p and 16:10 are 1200p. More pixels for 16:10 and therefore more screen real estate. Again, it’s not that 16:9 is bad, but 16:10 has some advantages and is getting pretty universally snubbed, hence the frustration by people who favor the 16:10 ratio. That’s why I called you out on the “math challenged” comment.

            Also, your argument aobut the iPhone 5 falls flat because we’re talking about them maintaining one of the dimensions and extending the other out (EXACTLY what 16:10 displays do).

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]Arbitrarily comparing a lower pixel density with a higher one is flat out dishonest.[/quote<] That was an example, to make a point. Maybe it was somewhat dishonest, but no more dishonest than comparing a larger display area with a smaller one. [quote<]Also, your argument aobut the iPhone 5 falls flat because we're talking about them maintaining one of the dimensions and extending the other out (EXACTLY what 16:10 displays do).[/quote<] You thinking that only vertical dimensions can be extended doesn't make it fall flat. Apple extended one dimension [i<]beyond[/i<] 16:10 and got 16:9 with more pixels. Fact.

            • Krogoth
            • 7 years ago

            More pixels and greater vertical resolution.

            16:10 was the widescreen ratio aspect before HDTV revolution.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            sure it does, but for me, more is usually (not gaming) better, but not better enough for me to pay for it. between 1920 x 1200 vs 1920 x 1080, i’d take the 1200, but not enough to pay much for it.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            16:9 could just as well have more pixels and greater horizontal resolution.

            And I don’t care what history says. Things tend get improved over time.

            • BobbinThreadbare
            • 7 years ago

            Each ratio has it’s place and use. I just don’t think 16:9 is good for computer monitors.

            • TEAMSWITCHER
            • 7 years ago

            At 2560 x 1440 it’s awesome for computers.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Is 16:10 better than 4:3 in your opinion?

            • BobbinThreadbare
            • 7 years ago

            Yes, actually I think 16:9 is better than 4:3 too. I probably overstated my opinion. I think 16:10 > 16:9 > 4:3 > 5:4

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            So, you don’t really care about the vertical height, then. You just want 16:10 and anything else is Wrong..

            • A_Pickle
            • 7 years ago

            Actually, no. I want a GOOD RATIO of vertical height to horizontal height. 16:9 is very nearly half as tall as it is wide. 16:10 is the best ratio of vertical to horizontal that I’ve since seen. You argue above that the difference between 1920×1080 and 1920×1200 is meaningless, but it’s not. There are plenty of times that I’ve been using my current computer, with my current 1920×1080 monitor, and noticing things that I cannot fit on the screen that, previously, I had no trouble with my 1920×1200 monitor.

            I like an abundance of width, but yes, I’d like a little more height. 1080 pixels isn’t “all I have” to work with — in fact, BECAUSE of my 120-pixel defecit, I’ve started auto-hiding my taskbar. I never used to do that. I’d prefer 16:10. 4:3 and 5:4 are too much in favor of vertical to be useful, in my mind, and 16:9 is obviously closer to 16:10 than either of those former ratios. It’s cheap. I’ll settle, but I’ll argue in favor of 16:10 every time.

            Perhaps in a few years, with debts paid down and paychecks to spend on myself, I’ll be a little spendy on a 16:10 monitor. But for now, ASUS 16:9 TN panels with 3-year warranties will do nicely.

            • BobbinThreadbare
            • 7 years ago

            I guess you could say that.

            I would phrase it as 16:10 is ideal and as close as a screen can get the better.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 7 years ago

      Well, let’s do some math from this thread: [url<]https://techreport.com/news/23529/amazon-launches-whole-fleet-of-new-kindles?post=666849#666849[/url<] (I didn't count posts that don't directly show a preference or talk about side topics) Total + score for posts that directly support 16:10 = 104 Total - score for posts that directly support 16:9 = -74 Therefore, 16:10 is at least 178 better than 16:9! Post ratings on the internet prove it.

        • NeelyCam
        • 7 years ago

        If you calibrate out the aggregate -200 that’s entirely due to everybody just hating NeelyCam, 16:9 ends up being the clear winner.

      • Squeazle
      • 7 years ago

      Heresy I’m sure… but I don’t give a damn what ratio my phone is. And I’m only a little upset if my monitor is skewed too much in one direction. 16:9, 16:10, I’m fine with either in either application.

      • Wirko
      • 7 years ago

      (sqrt(5)+1)/2 + RDF = 16/9

      • Bensam123
      • 7 years ago

      Wow, you puled out your duelies and shot straight to the double digits. Go team Neely!

    • Madman
    • 7 years ago

    I don’t own any Apple products, and I’m not a fanboy. But I think people just expect too much.

    Apple innovated the field, and did it with style. The build quality and weight of the iPhone always associated with a quality product. And the OS is not very quirky compared to what other phones have. And it’s a solid product overall.

    From one point of view, I really hate the software and rectangle screen patents, but from another side, it feels that Apple broke the ice, and then the copy paste started.

    And with all the manufacturing capabilities, and hardware getting cheaper and better, there is no wonder everyone has caught up. From one side it’s great, a consumer choice, from another, I do feel sorry for the Apple a little bit.

    But, now, if we really think, I don’t think there is anything ground breaking you would expect from next generation phone. Unless it’s some VR-neuro interface or something.

    It’s a phone, it does everything you need it to do, and what it can do in the small form factor.

    What bugs me though, is the weight, why did they made the phone lighter? I actually like heavier phones and solid structures. The only way I would support lightness is if it would be 100% carbon fiber shell, as you know it’s stronger than all those pesky metals. Bit still, weight is good, it gives more headroom for sturdier chassis and let’s you feel the phone.

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      SEE!!! another person who likes a phone that feels like SOMETHING.

        • CuttinHobo
        • 7 years ago

        Boris the Blade wouldn’t like the iPhone 5, either.

        [i<]Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work you can always hit them with it.[/i<]

      • superjawes
      • 7 years ago

      Well until someone can add a new function to the cell phone, all changes will be incremental. Voice is digital, you can send texts, you can browse the internet, and now it looks like you can even stream video (limited coverage). On top of that, they take pictures, video, play MP3s, and have killer apps. So like you said, unless we get a groundbreaking technology, we’re in for a slow trickle ot performance enhancements. The mouse + keyboard phase of the cell phone life cycle.

      As for weight…I really don’t know. Perhaps they are expecting users to purchase cases, and are hoping that the phone + case weight will be ideal, but otherwise I feel like weights are low enough that few will care or notice.

      • Ardrid
      • 7 years ago

      Where’s the innovation? Aside from the weight/thickness (and, despite what Apple claimed, the iPhone 5 actually isn’t the thinnest smartphone available) and the SoC, every bullet point is, and has been, available in other devices.

      4″ touch screen? Old hat
      Turn-by-turn navigation + 3D modeling? Old hat
      Panoramic photography? Old hat
      Photo capture within a video? Old hat
      Notification tweaks to allow quick sharing? Old hat
      LTE + 5GHz WiFi? Old hat

      This was largely Apple catching up, not innovating.

        • henfactor
        • 7 years ago

        If you had any idea what it took to create that form factor, I’m sure you’d rethink that “lack of innovation” statement.

        Question: Does BMW innovate drastically every time they release a new car?

          • no51
          • 7 years ago

          “German Engineering” ranks up there with “Italian Reliability” for me.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Never heard of “Italian Reliability”..

            • dpaus
            • 7 years ago

            I think he meant “French Reliability” Ever seen a French tank fail to shift into reverse?

        • Silus
        • 7 years ago

        Exactly! +1

      • Wirko
      • 7 years ago

      Two things that I’m hoping to see in next-next generation phones:
      – good screen, I mean one that is actually usable outside, at least on a cloudy day
      – decent battery capacity
      – thickness not approaching zero.
      Hm, it’s three. Yes, screens and batteries are improving, but at an incredibly slow rate.

      • cynan
      • 7 years ago

      [quote<]But, now, if we really think, I don't think there is anything ground breaking you would expect from next generation phone[/quote<] Sounds like famous last words. Like Mr. Gates quoted for saying that he'd never see the need for more than 640k of system memory. Dare to dream. [quote<] The only way I would support lightness is if it would be 100% carbon fiber shell, as you know it's stronger than all those pesky metals.[/quote<] I believe this is a fallacy. Carbon fiber can be weaved then molded into exceptionally strong material vs weight. However, it does not really stand up much better than your average hard plastic to forces applied perpendicularly to the direction in which it is designed to be weight bearing. For example, a carbon fiber front fork of a bike only weighs a couple of lbs on average, and can support hundreds of lbs along its axis, but if I was for some reason made to defend myself in a sword fight, i'd take the metal fork every time. Ergo, I believe aluminum or magnesium shell on a phone would be more durable than one made out of carbon fiber.

      • Silus
      • 7 years ago

      So when Apple has the upper hand it’s “Apple is the best! It has the bigger GBs and the wi-fis”
      When Apple fails to keep up with the competition “People expect too much”…

      You can’t claim not to be a fanboy and yet use silly arguments to excuse Apple from not keeping up with their competitors…In technology that’s the way it works.
      Let’s imagine for a second that your “logic” (if you can call it that) worked in another market, say graphics cards. NVIDIA releases a blazing fast card but with less features than AMD’s not so blazing fast, but feature packed cards. Does one excuse NVIDIA for less features and AMD for not being as fast, because “people expect too much” ? Nope, that’s ridiculous to even imply.

      Technology evolves and one expects that current models in whatever market are at least as good as the competing offerings, in hardware and software. Apple failed to do that and just milks its fanboys. No company in the tech industry has so many of the clueless fanboys that will ALWAYS buy their latest product, regardless of how crappy or inferior it is when compared to competing offerings. They take advantage of them and honestly, those fanboys deserve it. Pay more for less is something that should trigger at least a brain cell to avoid.

    • LocalCitizen
    • 7 years ago

    now that the apple noise is finally over (for a while) i’m feeling excited to see the unveiling of new nv cards tomorrow. they will be for hardware enthusiasts who have less enthusiasm in their wallets.

    i hope they will be good enough to lower the rival card prices again. win for fanbois of both sides.

    • albundy
    • 7 years ago

    looks the same to me. no oled screen? no micro sd slot? still no user replaceable battery? what did they improve on besides the obvious soc bump?

    • ALiLPinkMonster
    • 7 years ago

    Wait for it…..

    wait…..

    wwaaaiiiiittt…………………

    ……. can it run Crysis??

    Really though. I hate on Apple a lot because, well. They’re dbags sometimes. I do give them kudos though for pushing high PPI displays. Plus iOS is just a smoother, more enjoyable experience than Android for the average user. The contract prices don’t seem too bad. CPU and GPU are (apparently) a lot faster, and I’m sure Appleheads will appreciate the 4G support (about freakin time).

    My biggest beef is that they hyped the crap out of this thing with words like “innovative” and “revolutionary.” Sure it’s faster and has a bigger screen, but I see nothing that justifies either of those words compared to the 4S. “Improved” and “a solid step up” would have been more appropriate.

    • CuttinHobo
    • 7 years ago

    Inconsistent product naming. Why isn’t this “The new iPhone” ??

    • blitzy
    • 7 years ago

    for the love of god use micro usb, and those ear buds look quite ridiculous

    frankly there are already better phones in the market by Samsung, even the new windows phones are more interesting

      • Deanjo
      • 7 years ago

      [quote<]for the love of god use micro usb[/quote<] So when did microusb start providing video out?

        • MadManOriginal
        • 7 years ago

        [url<]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-definition_Link[/url<]

        • albundy
        • 7 years ago

        probably before cr@pple was able to patent it. i already use a Micro USB to HDMI MHL Adapter to connect to my tv since I got my galaxy s2 last year. google search is your friend.

        • sweatshopking
        • 7 years ago

        damn deanjo, looks like you eat crow now baby

          • Deanjo
          • 7 years ago

          With a standard mhl microusb usb setup you cannot have USB and HDMI connectivity at the same time. This is the same reason why Samsung went and used a custom 11 pin connector on the III S so that it could have that connectivity. It resulting in having to use adapters to connect to existing MHL compatible devices. MHL also does not specify the type connector that has to be used BTW. The lightning connector also allows for simultaneous USB and HDMI connectivity.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            i’m not sure it matters. so i can’t move stuff onto a device WHILE i watch something?

            • MadManOriginal
            • 7 years ago

            I found a picture of Deanjo!

            [url<]http://atlumschema.com/atlumschema/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Moving-Goalposts-e1300873393433.jpg[/url<]

        • madseven
        • 7 years ago

        Since a lot of phone have built in hdmi

    • rhysl
    • 7 years ago

    No NFC , ! , Sad to see Apple has single handinly destroyed or delayed NFC golbalisation ..

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      no nfc??? oh man…. come on guys… what you talking about… this phone isn’t that exciting at all…

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      Just like they destroyed USB3.

      Wait..

      • JohnC
      • 7 years ago

      NFC? What’s the “real life” use for it? How many places in USA already implemented such technology in usable way?

      • Washer
      • 7 years ago

      I have zero problem with the world not adopting NFC or similar tech.

    • Thresher
    • 7 years ago

    I am decidedly in the “meh” category on this one. While I love having the latest and greatest, it’s just not much of a qualitative upgrade from my 4s. Screen is a tiny bit bigger. It has HSDPA, but I use most of my data on wi-fi. New connector. Big whup, that’s more of a pain in the but than anything else.

    My contract comes up next year, I’ll probably get a new one then, but I’m not rushing out for this thing.

    Oh, and where the hell are the new iMacs and Mac Pros?

    • yogibbear
    • 7 years ago

    You know what’s more interesting. The iPod nano. Wow that actually looks kind of neat.

    • DPete27
    • 7 years ago

    Does it still have “plain” glass that shatters or have they moved to gorilla glass?

      • Jive
      • 7 years ago

      It has always had gorilla glass, from the very beginning. The nature of gorilla glass is that is it extremely durable and tough but when you do manage to stress it farther than what it was intended for, it will always wtfbbq shatter like no other.

        • ColeLT1
        • 7 years ago

        *From the phone 4 forward

    • Da_Boss
    • 7 years ago

    Maaan… you can always count on the masses of hardware junkies still caught in the GHz and Core count wars of yesteryear to sh*t on every iPhone release.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love gigahurtzzz and cores as much as the next guy. But if you haven’t figured that Apple’s strategy by now is to slowly iterate and improve in every way, rather than win the hardware spec wars at the cost of stability and usability, then I’m not sure where you’ve been the past few years while the iPhone has been earning half the worlds smartphone profits. I’m not playing the Apple fanboy here, but here’s how most people will likely take this release:

    1. It’s got a bigger screen without having a ‘big’ screen. Plus, it’s thinner and lighter.
    2. Apple finally did LTE when it knew that battery life wouldn’t suffer. So it’s now an actual feature, not a trade-off.
    3. It’s faster, not that the 4S feels slow, by any means.
    4. The connector is smaller, tougher, and nicer overall.
    5. Arguably the world’s most popular camera is improved in features, speed, and quality. Perfect for all that FaceTime over cellular.

    I know Apple is playing catchup with a lot of these features, but I think the important part to note is what the phone didn’t come with:
    1. LTE with 3 hours battery life like many early Droids with LTE.
    2. A 5 inch screen that most people with people-sized hands couldn’t comfortably managed without shifting the phone around in-hand.
    3. An OS that’s either a) Months old and not the latest, or b) “Improved” by manufacturer “tweaks” and carrier crapware.

    What we got is a phone that’s better in every way than the 4S. No, it’s not the jaw dropping release the original was. No, it still doesn’t make us breakfast or tell us we’re beautiful. But it still deserves credit for being a solid evolutionary product that will certainly further it’s lead in high-end smartphones, relegate WP7 and 8 even more to the corner, and finally put BB 6 feet under.

      • Hattig
      • 7 years ago

      Prepare to be modded down for your sanity!

      Anyway, to an iPhone owner upgrading from an iPhone 4 (on a two year contract) this is a major upgrade that allows them to keep their existing apps and everything (haha, except their dock-based hardware unless they shell out an incredible $29 for an ugly adapter). Nice for them I guess, as this phone is clearly better than proceeding iPhones.

      It’s just that Apple once said that 4:3 displays were best for phones and 16:9 was crap – and here they are shipping a 16:9 display on a phone.
      I bet Google wish they had patented the concept of a widescreen 16:9 smartphone! :-p

      And this phone is not ahead of the rest of the market now, it’s skimming ahead in some areas, but it’s not on a different plane of existence any longer. This release was not as exciting as say the original iPhone, or the iPhone 4.

      Indeed the changes to the iPod range are more interesting.

        • Da_Boss
        • 7 years ago

        Point taken. I also see the hypocrisy at work with Apple shipping a 16:9 phone. That said, times have changed, and Apple has had five years to see not only where the market is headed, but how people are actually using their phones.

        I think that they saw that they could make a phone with more vertical viewable area for list-based applications and bigger widescreen video space without making it feel larger across the hand and did it.

        The adapter prices suck, but in two or three years, it’ll be history.

        As far as how far ahead this phone is compared to how far others have been, I agree 100%. This phone is a solid 3rd place for me, hardware-wise out of the five released. The original iPhone was lightyears ahead in nearly every regard, and the 4 was the first consumer electronic device to make pixels disappear. Both changed the industry.

        This doesn’t have any industry leading hardware, but it does erase any reason to get any other smartphone, if your wallet and carrier needs line up.

        • sjl
        • 7 years ago

        Eh, Apple has a longstanding track record of poo-pooing features that they don’t have, and then turning around and introducing those same features, sometimes even only a few days later (video iPod, anyone?) If Apple says something is wrong, it doesn’t mean that it [i<]is[/i<] wrong, just that Apple hasn't done it yet, or doesn't see a need for it. What it comes down to, IMO: if the iPhone suits the way you work, and you have a need or definite desire for one, buy it. If it doesn't, or you don't, don't. If something else suits you better, hey, great - buy it instead. Notwithstanding the case between Samsung and Apple, the presence of the iPhone does not invalidate the existence of other options in the market, and frankly, I'm very happy to see multiple companies out there, slugging it out - because that means that those who actually buy these things win out in the long run. Monopolies are bad, mmkay? (broadly speaking.) As for me, I've asked the boss to buy one for me. It'll go nicely alongside my Mac and iPad. Doesn't mean that I'm blind to Apple's faults, though, or the issues with iOS. Just means that that's the option that works best for me, personally. Everybody is different, and that's ok.

      • BIF
      • 7 years ago

      I like your summary.

      I’m looking for a new phone and I want LTE, good graphics, and better texting recognition.

      I do like the concept of a screen smaller than my Droid X so that maybe I won’t rip any more pants due to having to clip my phone on the outside of a pocket.

      • willyolio
      • 7 years ago

      while it’s a good summary for people who’ve been stuck with apple for a while, here’s an outsider’s perspective:

      1. “too big” and “just right” are entirely subjective, and 4 inch screens have been out for a long time. Some people still find 4 inches kinda small.

      2. long battery life with LTE is a good feature.

      3. Faster phones exist, and have existed for a while already.

      4. the MicroUSB standard has been out for years already, and cables don’t cost $30.

      5. again, the camera is only an improvement if you’re “stuck” with iphones. for anyone who’s been open to other options, better options have existed for a long time.

      So what we’ve ended up with is a phone that’s really only exciting to people who live within the apple-bubble. As for the cellphone ecosystem as a whole, it’s just another routine release of a phone with no groundbreaking features, other than maybe the LTE battery life issue.

        • adisor19
        • 7 years ago

        3 Faster phones ?

        The A5 chip has been out for a year+ and it’s still got the fastest integrated GPU on any smartphone. The Samsung international GSIII witth the latest Exynos GPU comes close in some 3D tests but that’s it.

        The A6 has dual Cortex A15 cores for the CPU and most likely the next gen PowerVR GPU in an x2 configuration. No other phone even comes close to this.

        5 seriously ?

        The 4S camera is one of the best cameras available on any smartphone. Plenty of sites out there have compared that i’m not even going to bother linking.

        Adi

          • cynan
          • 7 years ago

          As much as it might pain me to admit it as an Android fan, Adi’s pretty much on point.

          My Galaxy Nexus captures beautiful 1080p vids in good light, but the still image quality is pretty abysmal, even compared to the 4S. The Galaxy SIII and HTC One X supposedly have better cameras, but I doubt their better than what’s in the iPhone 5 and even perhaps the 4S.

          And I’m not sure why Samsung, Qualcom, Nvidia(!), can’t be bothered to R&D a decent GPU in their ARM packages. The argument is that you don’t need the GPU power for a phone – but what about tablets? you may be right if you say that the only reason why the iPhones have such powerful GPUs is because of the iPad, but why doesn’t the same logic apply to Android makers?

            • adisor19
            • 7 years ago

            I think it has something to do with the volume of SoC that Apple purchases at once and the fact that they always sell their iDevices at a nice profit margin. I think they can afford to pay a bit more for more performing parts compared to the other SoC designers which have to sell their chips at the lowest price possible.

            Adi

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Margins matter; Apple.cuts out one of the middlemen.

            Incidentally, that’s why Intel wins – they have no middlemen, and their process is superior

            • Joe Miller
            • 7 years ago

            Could not resist giving Intel as a good example πŸ™‚
            You would find a way to do it in a topic for bath suites, right?

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Right.

            • n00by
            • 7 years ago

            I don’t understand why this gets voted down.
            Obviously Apple can cut on cost because they don’t need to pay a middleman so they can buy these chips at a cost to manufacture level. And because they sells so much iDevices they can purchases in mass volume, again decreasing the cost of the chips.
            Another thing to consider is that Apple wants to push it’s iPod Touch, iPad and the iPhone as gaming devices. And the only way to do this is by actually putting a decent GPU in there.

            And to all the people saying that Apple doesn’t care about specs, think again. Apple clearly cares about specs, otherwise they wouldn’t update their entire notebook line that quickly with Sandy/Ivy Bridge or with thunderbolt. It’s true that they don’t really advertise the specs as much, but that’s because they would like to advertise the user experience.

            • madseven
            • 7 years ago

            I didn’t know a conglomerate couldn’t afford to pay extra for performing parts.

          • entropy13
          • 7 years ago

          RE: iPhone cameras

          They are the [b<]worst[/b<] ever. Why? Because they facilitate the Instagram pictures of hipsters to plague the interwebs. A hipster had just thumbed me down and s/he did so before it was cool! LOL

        • pedro
        • 7 years ago

        [quote<]So what we've ended up with is a phone that's really only exciting to people who live within the apple-bubble.[/quote<] Then why is there this avalanche of coverage over the web and mainstream media? Disclaimer: I've never bought any iOS device or smart phone or tablet.

          • entropy13
          • 7 years ago

          Because it’s “cool.”

          • willyolio
          • 7 years ago

          because they’ve done it for the past few years. Apple’s been semi-consistent with bringing out something “revolutionary” (or at least a very pretty update to existing products) since the introduction of the ipod. they cover it because they’re [b<]expecting[/b<] something great and fantastic and worth several pagehits. if apple plays it safe like this for another year or two in a row, it'll drop back down to a non-event.

          • madseven
          • 7 years ago

          One word………Brainwashed

        • Da_Boss
        • 7 years ago

        [quote<]1. "too big" and "just right" are entirely subjective, and 4 inch screens have been out for a long time. Some people still find 4 inches kinda small.[/quote<] True, but Apple's approach was clever. They gave the phone a wider screen, giving more vertical viewing area for apps that present info in a top-to-bottom list, while making it not feel larger. [quote<]3. Faster phones exist, and have existed for a while already.[/quote<] Correction: higher-clocked phones exist. In the heterogeneous world of mobile OSs, that starts to take a back seat to software really quickly. I suspect that even the 4S can match or beat just about any high-end smartphone in a browsing/app opening race, even today. [quote<]4. the MicroUSB standard has been out for years already, and cables don't cost $30.[/quote<] Apple doesn't care. I don't blame them. Apple has the clout and leverage to stick to it's own connectors, giving them the advantage of a) doing what THEY want with it, and b) ensuring people are buying Apple-only accessories. Any company with Apple's position would do the same. It's good for experience, and good business. [quote<]5. again, the camera is only an improvement if you're "stuck" with iphones. for anyone who's been open to other options, better options have existed for a long time.[/quote<] People don't buy smartphones for the cameras. If they did, Nokia would be better off. Moreover, Apple has the best selling single smartphone, and a retention rate of ~85%. As far as I'm concerned, the 4S is it's biggest competition. You're right, we did end up with an exciting phone. Apple users will upgrade, and new users will probably flock. Unfortunately, what Apple didn't do is make a phone that adequately impressed people already not impressed with Apple--and that's fine. They still did exactly what was needed to do. When you're winning a race, and still pulling away, you don't change your running style--you keep running.

          • madseven
          • 7 years ago

          I disagree. Some people do buy phones for the camera. I know some people don’t want to carry a point and shoot along with a phone.

          Of course rentention will be high. After spending a lot on apps and the ecosystem (ranging from maybe hundred to thousands of apps, time and money) that is to be expected.

          First you say new users will flock to this new phone because its exciting and then you say Apple didn’t make a phone that adequately impressed people already not impressed with Apple. What does that mean? I would be considered a new user because I’ve had the first original iphone years ago (smashed it cause it was slow, buggy, freezing etc and have used windows phones and android ever since). I don’t agree with you stating that I’d be flocking to something like iphone 5 for that fact that a) its not something exciting b) big screens have been around for ages c) tech in the iphone 5 has been around for a while already. So why is it again I would be flocking to iphone 5? Yeah, now I remember a) a closed wall garden b) Apple dictates what I should use my phone for c) make me spend lots of $$$ on apps c) screw me on adapters and accessories

      • kc77
      • 7 years ago

      I think you’ve spun this about as well as can be expected. However, some things don’t hold up too well under scrutiny.

      [quote<] But if you haven't figured that Apple's strategy by now is to slowly iterate and improve in every way, rather than win the hardware spec wars at the cost of stability and usability, [/quote<] Huh? Since when? When Apple could sign exclusive contracts for the latest technology it did so. They were in no way not trying to win the "hardware spec wars". Retina display? Battery Life? Graphic performance? If Apple could do it, it would. Now that it can't it's kind of disingenuous to say that Apple is some slow paced turtle looking at the long game. That's just hogwash. [quote<]1. It's got a bigger screen without having a 'big' screen. Plus, it's thinner and lighter.[/quote<] That sounds like something Steve Jobs would say. This statement will only hold true until the next iPhone arrives, which will be bigger than this one. When that happens will this phone be too small or was it just right ....before the moment in time when everyone's hands expanded? [quote<]2. Apple finally did LTE when it knew that battery life wouldn't suffer. So it's now an actual feature, not a trade-off.[/quote<] And I would agree with you if LTE phones with good battery life hadn't existed for at least a year now. [quote<]3. It's faster, not that the 4S feels slow, by any means.[/quote<] OK. This is just a fact. So I've got nothing to say. [quote<] 4. The connector is smaller, tougher, and nicer overall.[/quote<] Meanwhile back at the Hall of Justice everyone else has standardized around compatible connectors because everyone has realized that's it's just a connector and it doesn't deserve praise for being incompatible with previous models. [quote<] 5. Arguably the world's most popular camera is improved in features, speed, and quality. Perfect for all that FaceTime over cellular.[/quote<] Again this just being factual. [quote<] I know Apple is playing catchup with a lot of these features, but I think the important part to note is what the phone didn't come with: 1. LTE with 3 hours battery life like many early Droids with LTE.[/quote<] Again phones with good battery life with LTE have been out for about a year now. [quote<] 2. A 5 inch screen that most people with people-sized hands couldn't comfortably managed without shifting the phone around in-hand.[/quote<] Again until the next iPhone when everyone's hands expand then 5 inches will be perfect. [quote<] 3. An OS that's either a) Months old and not the latest, or b) "Improved" by manufacturer "tweaks" and carrier crapware. [/quote<] Kind of like the Nexus phones... Everything else you said though was good. πŸ™‚

        • Da_Boss
        • 7 years ago

        [quote<]Huh? Since when? When Apple could sign exclusive contracts for the latest technology it did so. They were in no way not trying to win the "hardware spec wars". Retina display? Battery Life? Graphic performance? If Apple could do it, it would. Now that it can't it's kind of disingenuous to say that Apple is some slow paced turtle looking at the long game. That's just hogwash.[/quote<] LTE phones started appearing in late 2010, if I recall correctly. And that doesn't even iclude WiMax devices. Apple had at least two separate opportunities to create a phone with better wireless and didn't do it until it could do it with acceptable battery life. The same thing happened with 3G. They were years late, but by the time they did it, their 3G browse times were among the best. More importantly, Apple hasn't EVER tried to win the hardware wars with respect to having better hardware than their competitors. They do often have the best GPUs in their smartphones, but they never say it. It's never something they use to compare to Samsung phones; only other iPhones. [quote<]That sounds like something Steve Jobs would say. This statement will only hold true until the next iPhone arrives, which will be bigger than this one.[/quote<] THAT sounds like something someone who doesn't watch Apple's trends when making a phone would say. Apple would NEVER change the screen size in the next iPhone. They'll leave it for a new years to give developers a chance to actually use the new resolution. Three years, maybe.[/quote] [quote<]And I would agree with you if LTE phones with good battery life hadn't existed for at least a year now.[/quote<] 'Good' is entirely subjective. Maybe [url=http://www.anandtech.com/show/4240/htc-thunderbolt-review-first-verizon-4g-lte-smartphone/5<]HTC's 'good'[/url<] was 2.8 hours. Hell, maybe [url=http://www.anandtech.com/show/5198/motorola-droid-razr-review-a-better-clad-bionic/2<]everyone[/url<] thinks about 3 hours of LTE surfing is good, but Apple didn't. And they're probably right. [quote<]Meanwhile back at the Hall of Justice everyone else has standardized around compatible connectors because everyone has realized that's it's just a connector and it doesn't deserve praise for being incompatible with previous models.[/quote<] The Hall of Justice didn't single handedly build the MP3 player market on the foundation of that connector, and develop an entire market of accessories dating back to 2003. So, the Hall of Justice can suck it. [quote<]Again phones with good battery life with LTE have been out for about a year now.[/quote<] Not correct. Look above and be amazed. It literally took 2 minutes of Googling. [quote<]Kind of like the Nexus phones...[/quote<] I wasn't referring to the Google-endorsed Nexus series, obviously. I was referring to the 99.5% of Android phones not named Nexus. In the general scheme of things, an ordinary person won't walk into a Verizon store and buy a Galaxy Nexus. YOU will, but not Joe "I heard the Galaxy was cool" Sixpack. Anyways, under scrutiny I think I do ok.

          • kc77
          • 7 years ago

          [quote<] More importantly, Apple hasn't EVER tried to win the hardware wars with respect to having better hardware than their competitors. They do often have the best GPUs in their smartphones, but they never say it.[/quote<] Please stop lying to me. The Retina Display is a feature based purely on technical prowess. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdX_NVYpw7Q<]Here is a video of Steve Jobs talking about the Retina Display.[/url<] Let me quote your savior. [b<] "Because we have four times the pixels we get really really sharp text compared to what we normally get on displays with lesser resolutions. Now the Retina Display has 326 pixels per square inch. There's never been a display like this on a phone. People have never dreamed of a display like this on a phone." [/b<] Your statement of not being a Apple zombie looks a little shaky right now. [quote<] THAT sounds like something someone who doesn't watch Apple's trends when making a phone would say. Apple would NEVER change the screen size in the next iPhone. They'll leave it for a new years to give developers a chance to actually use the new resolution. Three years, maybe.[/quote<] So in three years a larger size will be OK? Again will everyone's hands swell up on that date making that size the perfect size? [quote<] The Hall of Justice didn't single handedly build the MP3 player market on the foundation of that connector, and develop an entire market of accessories dating back to 2003. So, the Hall of Justice can suck it.[/quote<] O.O single handedly? For someone who said they weren't an Apple Fanboi this statement kind of throws all of that out of the window. [quote<]Not correct. Look above and be amazed. It literally took 2 minutes of Googling.[/quote<] I did and I'm staring at the talk time where the LTE phone is at the top. Googling is one thing. Reading is another. Until Apple shows the data LTE battery life it's much too soon to tell. Apple has said the battery life has increased. The battery life of what is the question. [quote<]Anyways, under scrutiny I think I do ok.[/quote<] Only with your RDF set to maximum.

            • Da_Boss
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]Please stop lying to me.[/quote<] I'd never do that. Listen to the focus of this statement. He's not saying "Our display is better that Samsung's, so buy our phone." That's not the point of the Retina display. What he DOES say is "Because we have four times the pixels we get really really sharp text compared to what we normally get on displays with lesser resolutions." There's a subtle but important difference between selling the experience of the display, and just selling the fact that display is better than everyone else's. They did both, I'll admit, but only one was the real focus of their marketing. Don't believe me, look at Apple's iPhone 4 TV ads. They call it the highest resolution display, but only after 30 seconds of selling how great the experience is. [quote<]THAT sounds like something someone who doesn't watch Apple's trends when making a phone would say. Apple would NEVER change the screen size in the next iPhone. They'll leave it for a new years to give developers a chance to actually use the new resolution. Three years, maybe.[/quote<] I'm not saying it'll be ok. I'm just saying that it won't happen next year, like you originally claimed. [quote<]O.O single handedly? For someone who said they weren't an Apple Fanboi this statement kind of throws all of that out of the window.[/quote<] Have you seen mp3 player market share numbers of a few years ago? If this isn't dominance, I'm not sure what is. [url<]http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2009/09/09/ipod_market_share_at_73_8_percent_225_million_ipods_sold_more_games_for_touch_than_psp_nds_apple[/url<] [quote<]I did and I'm staring at the talk time where the LTE phone is at the top.[/quote<] Uhhh... They're ALL LTE phones man. And other than the phone at the top with the extended battery, they all average 3-4 hours of surf time. Look again. Chart at the top. [url<]http://www.anandtech.com/show/5198/motorola-droid-razr-review-a-better-clad-bionic/2[/url<] Truth is, LTE tech was good, but not practical enough for Apple last year. You can question that wisdom of not bringing bleeding edge tech to a phone fight, but Apple held out until they could get the battery life they wanted. I can respect that kind of restraint. [quote<]Only with your RDF set to maximum.[/quote<] Apple hate can cloud vision just as much as Apple love can.

            • kc77
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]I'd never do that. Listen to the focus of this statement. He's not saying "Our display is better that Samsung's, so buy our phone." That's not the point of the Retina display. What he DOES say is "Because we have four times the pixels we get really really sharp text compared to what we normally get on displays with lesser resolutions." There's a subtle but important difference... [/quote<] You're spinning this pretty hard aren't you? [quote<] I'm not saying it'll be ok. I'm just saying that it won't happen next year, like you originally claimed.[/quote<] I believe you said NEVER? The point being is that at some point the screen will grow and I can assure you it will get easily to the size of at least the Galaxy Nexus. It may not be next year. But it will happen. [quote<] Have you seen mp3 player market share numbers of a few years ago? If this isn't dominance, I'm not sure what is.[/quote<] Your comment wasn't of marketshare. You said single handedly, as though they came out with the MP3 player all on their own. [quote<] Uhhh... They're ALL LTE phones man. And other than the phone at the top with the extended battery, they all average 3-4 hours of surf time. Look again. Chart at the top.[/quote<] Again I'm looking at the talk time. Looking at the surfing time will do no good until there's benchmarks which focus on that alone with regards to the IP5. [quote<]Apple hate can cloud vision just as much as Apple love can.[/quote<] Oh I'm way past hate when it comes to Apple. I don't pretend one bit that it clouds my judgement. I loathe them. Let me put it this way if it were possible to curb stomp the company I would do it. Not only that, but if that ever became a reality I would exhume the body of Steve Jobs just so he could watch that company's destruction. Alas it's not possible so now I just hope that a software virus erases every software patent they hold. Dare I say it but Apple has surpassed my loathing for Microsoft and that's saying a lot when it comes to me.

      • EJ257
      • 7 years ago

      I have mixed feelings about the new iPhone. Overall it does feel like they are playing catch-up with the Android phones.

      1. I’m actually glad Apple waited until now to release LTE. The 3rd gen chipsets actually gives you decent battery life and the infrastructure is there now so you could actually use it in most metro areas. Remember when the HTC Evo was released on Sprint with Wimax 4G and the network was available in only a few cities? Still don’t have Wimax coverage here on Long Island.

      2. 802.11a – its about damn time! This was an easy one and really should have been introduced back on the 3GS or the 4 at the latest. I don’t know what took them so long with this.

      3. The industrial design of the 4 lives on! Sure its a little taller and thinner now but a lot of ways its still the same. I’m glad they did away with the glass back. That’s probably where the weight savings came from.

      4. The new connector – nice that they made it so that its non-direction specific. When I heard there was a new connector coming I was expecting they would make it magsafe but I’m probably in the minority on that one. Sure it would be nice if they made it microUSB like everyone else but its Apple so that was never on the table.

      • WhatMeWorry
      • 7 years ago

      What do you mean “No, it still doesn’t…tell us we’re beautiful”. I have Siri programmed to tell me I’m beautiful every morning.

      • BobbinThreadbare
      • 7 years ago

      I’m voting you down because I fail to see how a faster more efficient processor would lead to stability or usability problems.

    • superjawes
    • 7 years ago

    iPhone 5?!? I totally did not see that coming!

    /sarcasm

    • hiro_pro
    • 7 years ago

    Have they figured out how to make Siri work more than 20% of the time?

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      it’s up to 26%!!! AMAZING!!

        • Meadows
        • 7 years ago

        I imagined you with this guy’s voice:

        [url<]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo6dkHgT6TI[/url<]

          • sweatshopking
          • 7 years ago

          THAT IS SWEET AS F. GOING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW.

            • Meadows
            • 7 years ago

            AMAZING!

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            my shampoo wasn’t thick enough. now i just taste it with no bubbles πŸ™
            thanks ponyboy πŸ™

          • NeelyCam
          • 7 years ago

          Love the soundtrack

    • Beelzebubba9
    • 7 years ago

    All these posts and no one’s mentioned that Apple doubled the both the CPU and GPU performance (most likely by shipping the first A15 SoC), added LTE, packed it all into a substantially slimmer body while maintaining the battery life of the 4S?

    From a hardware perspective, this is impressive as hell – especially from the SoC side of things. Without saying anything about the phone itself as a phone, it makes me kind of sad that nerds can’t appreciate the technology of these things just because of the logo on it.

      • DancinJack
      • 7 years ago

      Krait is esentially A15. It’s at least based on A15. They’ve been shipping that in a number of phones for a while now. Namely the HTC One Series, the Galaxy S3, and some Motorola phones. They’re not first, but i don’t know what kind of A15 implementation they have either.

      I do agree with you for the most part though. I think the hardware is pretty great.

        • Beelzebubba9
        • 7 years ago

        There are substantial differences between Qualcomm’s Krait and the ARM Cortex A15. They’re both next generation cores relative to the Snapdragon and A9 they replaced, but they’re totally different CPUs. No enthusiast would get away with dismissing Kepler because it’s ‘essentially’ Tahiti XT, so I’m not sure why we’d dismiss the pilot* launch of a new CPU core just because it’s in an Apple device.

        I hope I don’t sound like I’m picking on you since we agree overall, but as a hardware enthusiast it grinds my gears that Apple doesn’t get credit for the cool engineering they do, only their sometimes crap business practices.

        *assuming this is an A15

          • DancinJack
          • 7 years ago

          Assuming it is a full A15. I didn’t say Krait was A15, just that it was based on it. We will have to wait and see what Apple really did with A15 to be sure.

            • WillBach
            • 7 years ago

            Repeat after me, “Krait is not based on A15.” Qualcomm licenses the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_set_architecture<]ISA[/url<] and the patents, and makes their own architecture from the ground up. Krait may come out at around the same time as the A15 core, have similar performance, be used in the same devices, and support the same software, but it's not based on the the A15 core. Edit: I modded blastdoor up, I thought his comment was hilarious, although it did almost give me an aneurysm.

            • blastdoor
            • 7 years ago

            Yeah sure, but it’s like, you know, based on the A15, right??

            • Beelzebubba9
            • 7 years ago

            You’re joking, right?

            • derFunkenstein
            • 7 years ago

            Of course he’s joking. Geez.

      • blastdoor
      • 7 years ago

      Despite the even-handedness of the news posters, the commenters on this site definitely tilt in the apple-hater direction. That’s why nobody’s mentioned it.

        • Beelzebubba9
        • 7 years ago

        It’s just funny that the readership of a site dedicated to hardware enthusiasts would completely avoid mentioning the far more interesting hardware aspects of the device.

          • sparkman
          • 7 years ago

          The technorati sometimes make themselves feel special by hating whatever the public likes no matter how good or bad it actually is.

        • derFunkenstein
        • 7 years ago

        I’m not really a hater, as I can admit to having a tiny bit of envy. I want to take the best parts of Android and the best parts of iOS and merge them somehow. And that baddass hardware silent-mode toggle. I really want one of those without buying an iPhone. Oh, and while I’m dreaming (I guess) could I get it all for $300 off-contract?

        I want a world where I get a SIM from my provider and a phone from Amazon or Newegg or whatever without paying the ridiculous markups. I think we’re far from that, although I got the first part. Bought a SIM from T-mo and now I’m on one of their “value” plans so I get 500 minutes, unlimited texts, and 2GB of data for $50/mo after taxes/fees. I can buy a G nexus for $400 or I can buy used or I can spend $500+. None of those options are all that appealing. My G2x will have to do for now.

          • A_Pickle
          • 7 years ago

          I could live in that world.

          • Beelzebubba9
          • 7 years ago

          …can I get WP8 on the iPhone 5? Please?

          Things That Will Never Happen Part 189,394.

      • yogibbear
      • 7 years ago

      I don’t know the hardware specs because Apple deems it inappropriate to tell us what they are, unlike EVERY OTHER phone manufacturer. Apple’s phones run on magic. Didn’t you know? *posts from iPhone 4S*

      • JohnC
      • 7 years ago

      Well, it’s still trendy to hate on Apple in general, and this model kinda provides extra reasons for trolls to do so – yea, it’s faster both in CPU/GPU and connection speeds, the body might be slimmer, but to be honest – same progression is happening with competing smartphone models. And there’s really no “cool”, “unique” feature on new model to talk about, not counting all the “evolutionary” improvements (more speed, less weight, larger screen, more battery life, etc.).

        • blastdoor
        • 7 years ago

        Yeah, I think that’s a fair assessment. It’s an evolutionary improvement, although a noticeably bigger evolutionary improvement than the 4S was.

          • adisor19
          • 7 years ago

          My feelings exactly.

          Adi

      • ronch
      • 7 years ago

      If there’s one thing that impresses/interests me about today’s smartphones, it’s their SoCs. I know Apple’s A5 and A6 SoCs rock but I’m more thrilled about their competition. Nvidia, Qualcomm, STMicro, etc… They all make SoCs that give Apple the heebie jeebies. The Apple SoCs are already a known specimen. I’m more interested in the ‘alternatives’.

        • NeelyCam
        • 7 years ago

        I’m not sure that makes sense…

          • ronch
          • 7 years ago

          People who visit TR are interested in desktop processors such as Core i5’s and Pehnoms. Why would it be strange for someone who comes here to be interested in TI OMAP 44xx, Qualcomm Snapdragons, Nvidia Tegras or ST-Ericsson Novathors?

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            You know people here care about all that..

      • madseven
      • 7 years ago

      Not that nerds can’t appreciate the technology of these things, it’s just an evolutionary device..it is what is expected from a new device. It’s nothing special.

    • btb
    • 7 years ago

    I would be happy with just a 18% thinner and 20% lighter iphone 4, dont really need all the new stuff(except maybe the new wideband audio hd stuff), and dont need a longer phone either, imo the iphone 4 is long enough already

    • mattthemuppet
    • 7 years ago

    looks kinda odd and out of proportion, a bit like I remember the PSP looking. Certainly, for a company that takes pride in how innovative it is, this is pretty meh. Still, if they can keep raking in the billions, who cares? Just like Microsoft, oh, wait…

      • BIF
      • 7 years ago

      I would never say that to a lady; odd and out of proportion.

      I have no idea what made me think that. πŸ˜€

      • TEAMSWITCHER
      • 7 years ago

      I’ll bet money your wrong. This new iPhone is gonna be a massive..massive…hit. The new thin and slim design is gonna send Samsung reeling. I bet they put the next Galaxy S phone on a major diet. Think twice before you buy that fat-ass phone – it’s probably not going to be in style for much longer.

        • cynan
        • 7 years ago

        Trollbait much? The difference in thickness between the SIII and the iPhone 5 is a whopping 1 whole fat-ass millimeter (less than 0.04 inches)

        Edit: And that 1 mm allows you to have a user-replaceable battery. A more than worthwhile trade-off.

          • adisor19
          • 7 years ago

          You also forget to mention that the SIII has a much taller and wider case which allows it to pack a bigger battery and makes for a bulkier device. It’s easier to pack things in a bigger volume.

          Also, the SIII is made of cheap plastic.

          Adi

            • cynan
            • 7 years ago

            OK, but calling a phone that’s 1 mm thicker than an other “fat-ass” is trolling. Plain and simple. πŸ™‚

            • entropy13
            • 7 years ago

            “Bulkier device”? A tablet is bulkier than the iPhone 5, but any of the new smartphones are certainly not “bulkier” than this. Might as well say that a 180lb, 6’1″ tall, muscular guy is “bulkier” than a 179lb, 6-ft tall, muscular guy.

        • madseven
        • 7 years ago

        What I hope will happen with Galaxy is they introduce the Galaxy S4 with their unbreakable screen. That will send Apple reeling.

    • MadManOriginal
    • 7 years ago

    Least interesting Apple product launch in a long time.

      • Farting Bob
      • 7 years ago

      The 4S was pretty unexciting compared to the 4. It (iphone 5) very much seems to lack any big seller bullet point that Apple is so good at extracting and running with. Last time they went more with software (Siri) in their advertising, this time? I have no idea what they will lead with. LTE isn’t widespread enough to be the only key point, and it doesnt seperate itself from Android phones in that regard.

      • Deanjo
      • 7 years ago

      Ya people get tired of watching the Yankees win the World Series all the time as well.

      • superjawes
      • 7 years ago

      I have to disagree. 4 -> 4S was pretty weak. 4S -> 5 is certainly better and is offering a better screen and significant iOS improvements (IMO).

      That, and you also have to remember that they announced new iPods, too. While not the main event, the touch screen on the Nano looks cool, and a nice revamp of the iPod touch was a long time coming. Taking all three devices and iOS 6, there’s plenty to grab attention.

      EDIT: I also think that Apple has tried to hype past events more for less of a change. It might just be that these changes are relatively “late,” but probably maintains a better hype:delivery ratio.

        • MadManOriginal
        • 7 years ago

        I think it’s because so much was known ahead of time. Sure, many of the details and marketing shenanigans like ‘2x as fast!!’ weren’t known, but in the past the fact that it had a larger screen would have been huge news and only would have come out on launch day (aside from random rumors.) This time we had actual pictures of the thing before it was even announced.

        • madseven
        • 7 years ago

        I was more excited about the ipod touch than the iphone 5. Seemed a lot cooler(innovative) than the iphone5.

    • spuppy
    • 7 years ago

    That adapter costs $29

    !!!

    [url<]http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD823ZM/A/lightning-to-30-pin-adapter#overview[/url<]

      • JohnC
      • 7 years ago

      Doesn’t matter what it costs – the real issue is that it’s too “tall” to fit into many existing accessories (and where it will fit, it will make the phone+adapter look kinda “strange”).

        • spuppy
        • 7 years ago

        So it’s either too expensive, or just useless. Brilliant!

        And they called it Lightning “to go with Thunder”

        Yet it’s USB 2.0

        Not even 3.0

          • willmore
          • 7 years ago

          Doesn’t lighting normally come before thunder?

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            mcqueen says it does.

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    soooo…. the screen rez is lower than the 920… camera has no OIS… rated for the same battery life… similar cpu speeds expected (i’m not sure the speed of the a6, but 1.5ghz is likely) No synaptics screen tech? not even 720 video viewing capable?

    sure, it’s thin and light, but that’s not something a lot of people want. lots do, but i like my phone to feel solid. polycarbonate solid.

    where exactly did they “innovate” on this phone??

    What’s that? panoramas??!?!?!?! OMG NM IT’S 2012 AND NOW WE HAVE PANORAMAS!!! THAT’S INNOVATION!!

      • derFunkenstein
      • 7 years ago

      I’ll temp undo the minus, because it’s just an underwhelming device. In the hardware realm, Apple is really trying to catch up with Android and Windows 8 devices. The software is polished, but the hardware is the same as everyone else.

        • Jive
        • 7 years ago

        Not sure if you are referring to hardware as features or fit and finish. Fit and finish i think Apple is leagues and bounds ahead of anything Android (including the S3). In terms of features i would say the iPhone has some positives and some negatives and it all depends on user preferences.

        Personally, i like the battery life on the iPhone, especially if the LTE battery life claims hold up in the read world. Android cant compete with Apple on that front. With regards to the display, i find 3.5″ too small but 4.7″ too big, anything in the 4-4.3 realm is just right.

        Then again, other users may have other preferences.

          • sweatshopking
          • 7 years ago

          i think most impartial reviews give wp and nokia a pretty decent review on the fit and finish front. i don’t think you can claim that apple stands alone anymore on that front.

          as for the battery, it’s rated almost identically to the 920

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]as for the battery, it's rated almost identically to the 920[/quote<] Yeah, except iPhone5 has a dual-core A15, while 920 has a dual-core A9.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            krait isn’t a9, is it? i thought it was a custom qualcomm cpu? are we expecting a15 to be miles faster than krait?

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            My bad, I didn’t realize Lumia had S4..

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            yep. it sure does.

          • BobbinThreadbare
          • 7 years ago

          I’ve found most Motorola phones to be comparable in fit and finish unless you have a boner for white and brushed aluminum.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            I know my Atrix doesn’t belong in that category

            • BobbinThreadbare
            • 7 years ago

            Hmm, my Droid 2 has been amazingly durable and still feels like new after 18 months.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            After 18mo, my speaker grille is all broken, and the plastic back panel is loose

      • JohnC
      • 7 years ago

      Battery life is actually better, same goes for CPU performance…
      [url<]http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/12/iphone-5-whats-changed/[/url<] [url<]http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/12/iphone-5-processor/[/url<]

      • esterhasz
      • 7 years ago

      dude, cut down a bit on the sugar , you’ll get a heart attack.

      The iPhone 5 is certainly not my cup of tea – a) I am way too clumsy for a metal/glass construction, I need something made out of plastic that chips rather than breaks when falling, b) I prefer a bigger screen and c) jelly bean is great.

      But I must also say that I actually like the iterative approach that focuses on making some of what I consider core functions better: audio, call quality, camera stuff, etc.

      I’d be perfectly happy if the next Nexus looks exactly the same way but has substantial improvements in a couple of key areas (in particular call quality and camera) instead of crazy specs…

      • ltcommander.data
      • 7 years ago

      I thought the move to unibody aluminum was specifically to make the phone feel and be solid even when it’s thin. Certainly better than the previous glass bottom.

      CPU speeds may work out to be similar since the iPhone 4S didn’t have that fast a CPU to begin with. But, 2x the iPhone 4S GPU should definitely give the iPhone 5 the fastest smartphone GPU.

      • soccergenius
      • 7 years ago

      [quote<]sure, it's thin and light, but that's not something a lot of people want. lots do, but i like my phone to feel solid. polycarbonate solid.[/quote<] Solid? Plastic makes a more solid material than Gorilla glass and aluminum? Or do you mean durable? I take solid to mean "not flimsy / cheap feeling."

        • DancinJack
        • 7 years ago

        Don’t try to talk reason and logic with SSK.

          • sweatshopking
          • 7 years ago

          oh come on now. don’t be silly. i think i’m both reasonable and logical. i did say it’s something a lot of people like. dense a better word for you? my current focus is stupid light. i fling it all over the place because it’s too light. i want a phone that i can FEEL. my wife’s quantum is a much heavier phone, and it feels better in MY HAND because of it.

          you can say don’t logic with me, but you didn’t say how i was wrong. does it have ois? pureview screen? it has a lower screen rez….

          ok, logic man, logic me! show me my error! panoramas are not innovative. my focus could do it since day 1, and so could iphones for years.

            • JohnC
            • 7 years ago

            Well, you clearly dislike this model, so don’t buy it, then. Problem solved. I am also not planning to buy it, yet I don’t try to post inane trolling nonsense about “BATTARY LIFE IS TEH SAME!!!!11” (it’s not – compare the specs with iPhone 4s) or “CPU SPEEDS ARE THE SAME!!!!” (the frequencies were not yet posted, and if they will be – the iPhone 5 is still objectively faster than 4S) or “IPHONE5 IS TOO THIN!!!!1111” (which some people may actually prefer – why bother arguing about subjective “feel”?) or “NOKIA WILL RULE TEH WORLD WITH 920!!!!111” (not all people care about Windows-powered smartphones, I don’t – I’d rather buy any Android model).

            Seriously, dude, like I said before – if you’re trying to troll, at least do it in less “obtuse” and repetitive way….

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            what?
            you’re saying we shouldn’t examine the specs and compare them to alternative devices on a tech site? you’re a crazy man.

            i was comparing battery life vs the 920, which the iphone is lower.
            [quote<] Talk time over 3G is just 8 hours versus the 10 hours claimed by Nokia. When it comes to standby time, it’s even worse: Apple – 225 hours versus Nokia at 400. [/quote<] you're right the cpu speeds aren't posted, but my point was the that the 4s is already damn fast, and ios runs excellent. i doubt in real world usage that the new cpu will feel faster. i expect another bottleneck. it happens now that the memory on a phone holds back the thing before the cpu does. i SAID some people prefer thinner phones! what the crap, man? did you read what i post or just knee jerk response? nobody claimed nokia will rule the world. i expect them to fold. my point was that this phone fails to be magical. it's not leading the industry anymore. there are real competitors when there weren't a few years ago. your entire post makes no sense. you criticize things i already answered in my initial post (thinness) and fail to address any of the points i made. what the crap man?

      • Beelzebubba9
      • 7 years ago

      Oh, so the 920 is shipping in two weeks? πŸ™‚

      • demani
      • 7 years ago

      Wait- you think polycarbonate is more solid than aluminum?
      And wait-you-the guy who thinks retina (and even high-dpi) is chump marketing-are complaining that a 4″ screen isn’t high enough resolution to see a full 720p video (when sanity says that a standard def video will be practically perfect with much lower storage requirements). Seriously, is there anything you [i<]can't[/i<] rant about?

        • BobbinThreadbare
        • 7 years ago

        Until Retinaβ„’ is a plainly defined to mean something it is chump marketing. The fact that Apple products have really high DPI is not.

          • sweatshopking
          • 7 years ago

          i’ll + you for that one.

        • sweatshopking
        • 7 years ago

        i like the polycarbonate shells a heck of a lot more than aluminum. i’m not alone in that either. for one thing, they can be soooo many pretty colors!!!

        I do think that 800:480 is satisfactory on a smart phone, but other nerds don’t. i’m not opposed to increases, i just don’t find them really motivating for me to spend EXTRA money, especially since performance costs have to be factored in as well. my point is what exactly does this phone bring over the 4s. not made out of glass (bad idea) front and back? that’s how it should have been to begin with. slightly faster? are the apps there to take advantage of the additional speed? i get that it’s “always better to be faster”, but tbh, i don’t notice the 4s to be a slouch, and i expect the 5 to feel almost the same in day to day usage.

        so really, you get a slightly improved camera, but not likely market leading. you get a slightly improved screen, but not market leading (5 rows of apps though!), you do keep the leading store, but the 4 has that. you get panoramas, but every smartphone has that. I just am not sure why you’d pay the extra 100$ over the 4s. Wait, i remember, cause people will see that you have an iphone 5. right. forgot about that. the extra height will show how cool you are. i don’t hate the iphone. if i didn’t prefer the metro UI, i’d get an iphone. i just don’t know what there is to be excited about with this launch. the device seems underwhelming to me.

        and no, i’ll rant about anything.

        fore beelzebubba(why9? i’m pretty sure you’re the only 1) point, yeah. you’re right. we have 8 weeks for the 920 πŸ™ the iphone will have a 6 week lead. sucks. i know. you got me there.

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      [quote<]similar cpu speeds expected[/quote<] <stupidity removed> [quote<]sure, it's thin and light, but that's [b<]not something a lot of people want. lots do[/b<][/quote<] So, do they want it or not? I like thin and light as long as battery life doesn't suck. Usually it sucks. Not in this case.

        • sweatshopking
        • 7 years ago

        i like something that is ergonomic. thin and light isn’t always. i think phones are getting TOO thin and light.

        it’s a preference. I don’t want a thinner phone. some people do want a thinner phone. it’s a preference.

          • superjawes
          • 7 years ago

          iPhone might be a slight exception since there’s a huge case market. If you expect to be carrying your iPhone 5 with a case, the thickness might balance out.

          Personally, my iPhone 4 is a little too thick with the case, just about right without (but being an expensive device, it’s staying in the armor).

      • Arag0n
      • 7 years ago

      iPhone 5 CPU even if we accept that it’s twice as fast as iPhone 4s it means that iPhone 5 is comparable to a dual-core A9 1.6Ghz. Nokia Lumnia 920 has a dual-core krait A15 1.5Ghz SoC. That means that the relative speed between both handsets is 1.5Ghz x Krait IPC vs 1.6Ghz x A9 IPC.

      Last time I checked krait was around 180% the performance of A9. That means that in performance power numbers,

      A6 = 100%
      Krait@1.5Ghz = 168.75%

      now, let’s see what Apple supporters have to say about the new lumnia being almost 70% faster than the new iphone.

        • Beelzebubba9
        • 7 years ago

        [quote=”Arag0n”<] now, let's see what Apple supporters have to say about the new lumnia being almost 70% faster than the new iphone. [/quote<] Firstly, Qualcomm's Krait is not a goddamn A15. They're entirely different CPU cores from two different companies. You also seem to be the only one assuming that the iPhone 5 will have a 1.6Ghz A9 based SoC: a) [url<]http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/09/what-do-we-know-about-apples-new-a6-processor/[/url<] Secondly, you might want to read some benchmarks of shipping devices powered by the same MSM8960 SoC the 920 will have since it ain't 80% faster than the A9 in any application benchmark. The Nokia Lumia 920 uses a MSM8960 SoC that's substantially the same as the Galaxy S3, so you can get a rough idea of what the basic performance is relative to the A5 on Android at least: b) [url<]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6022/47411.png[/url<] And GPU side: [url<]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6022/47420.png[/url<] [url<]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6022/47418.png[/url<] So on Android (which has substantially better Java performance than WP7 ever did) the MSM8960 gets you a CPU that's ~30% faster running Java and a GPU that's a little bit to a lot slower than the A5. Since Apple was quoting benchmark numbers, not clockspeed like your post assumes, the iPhone 5 will likely be among the fastest to by far the fastest smartphone (certainly GPU side) when it ships, depending on the benchmark. This will all be packed into the thinnest, lightest body with top tier battery life. It's all hype until it ships, but from a SoC side Apple likely just put everyone else back on the truck. I guess we'll find out for sure in a week. For the iPhone 5, at least. Nokia won't be shipping the 920 for months. πŸ™‚

    • derFunkenstein
    • 7 years ago

    The phone was remarkably well-predicted by all the piece-by-piece leaks. I’m rather impressed just how well the internet got it together to infiltrate Apple. I mean, sure, nobody left one in a bar like with previous ones, but it’s still a big win for those willing to work hard to dig up info.

    All the same, screw this noise. they gave some serious love to the iPod Touch. A5 processor, 16GB of storage minimum, the new display, dual-band 802.11n, better cameras…that’s what’s interesting to me.

    edit: I just discovered what the little switch does. A hardware sound toggle. I could silence my phone without ever digging it out of my pocket. Kinda wish my current phone had that…any Android devices with that feature?

      • yogibbear
      • 7 years ago

      If you are referring to the switch I think you are… it’s been that way since the iPhone 4.

        • derFunkenstein
        • 7 years ago

        It’s probably been that way even longer than that, I just now found out about it.

          • willmore
          • 7 years ago

          Yeah, the little switch on the 3GS right above the volume rocker is the silent/mute switch.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 7 years ago

            It’s SO COOL! ANd I’m not even kidding, my next phone needs one.

            • willmore
            • 7 years ago

            Really? I like the ‘facedown to silence ringer’ thing for meetings. It has a very good social message “Yes, I have a phone, but, as you can see, I have told it not to interupt this meeting as you all are more important than it is.”

            • tay
            • 7 years ago

            Wtf? Why not just turn it off in your pocket without pulling it out and putting it face down and making a big statement.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 7 years ago

            Wait, what phone supports THAT? I’ve never see that in my phones, either. Gonna have to play with my phone and see if it works.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            nokia’s have it. it’s on the wp stuff, it’s pretty cool.

            • MadManOriginal
            • 7 years ago

            I believe the SGS3 does that as well.

            • madseven
            • 7 years ago

            Yes it does. I’ve tried it and works well. Funny thing is I downloaded an app to do the same thing before finding out it has that feature built into the phone already.

        • ColeLT1
        • 7 years ago

        The sound switch has been on every iphone.

      • demani
      • 7 years ago

      You can also toggle it off repeatedly while it’s in your pocket….not that I would know.
      πŸ˜‰

      • dpaus
      • 7 years ago

      [quote<]any Android devices with that feature[/quote<] Palm/WebOS phones had that from 2005. They should sue Apple!!

      • sschaem
      • 7 years ago
      • Bensam123
      • 7 years ago

      Apple doesn’t leak. They fire, casterate, and burn leakers at the stake. They do controlled information releases to preplanned channels.

      The majority of their mojo is from just this strategy.

    • OneArmedScissor
    • 7 years ago

    I’m confused about the “twice as fast” A15. The 4S is only 800 MHz…so this is still sub GHz?!?

    Well, that would at least explain why they were freaking out about the new HTC and Samsung phones. And now there will be S4 quad-cores and 2+ GHz A15 dual-cores…

      • DancinJack
      • 7 years ago

      You don’t need a 2GHz dual-core A15 to run the software on the iPhone 5.

        • OneArmedScissor
        • 7 years ago

        Apparently, they also don’t need to compete. Why bother when there’s the reality distortion field, “magic,” …and the US patent system?

        My ridiculously ancient phone also runs its software just great!

          • DancinJack
          • 7 years ago

          I would agree with you if performance of the iPhone wasn’t pretty dang good. I also don’t really understand what you mean either, though. There is no one shipping a full fledged A15 at this point. Apple will be the first if they implemented it fully. Krait is close, but not a real A15. They also, by far, have the fasted GPU in a smartphone. I don’t know why you say they aren’t competing.

            • Beelzebubba9
            • 7 years ago

            Oh Krait and the A15 totally competing (like Kepler and Tahiti XT in my lame metaphor) – I’m just saying the arrival of the A15 is something to celebrate, and it’ll be cool to benchmark the iPhone 5 for this reason. I’m also curious as hell about the GPU and memory architecture since the only other SoC to double the performance of the PowerVR SGX544MP2 was the A5X, which needed a quad channel memory controller to do that.

            Anyway, we agree and I’m just rambling. Sorry!

            • A_Pickle
            • 7 years ago

            I’d just like to know why we haven’t seen a good competitor to Apple on the GPU front. Three generations of Tegra, and they’re still getting their butt kicked. What’s their special sauce? Why does only Apple get it?

            • Beelzebubba9
            • 7 years ago

            As far as I know, Apple has always accelerated substantial portions of the GUI in OpenGL, meaning there were real usability advantages to having a higher powered GPU beyond gaming. Since it wasn’t until Jelly Bean that Google focused their effort similarly, nor does Android have the market for games that iOS does, my guess is that there’s just not much point for wasting hardware resources on the kind of GPU horsepower Apple does.

      • Beelzebubba9
      • 7 years ago

      Is anyone else shipping A15 SoCs?

        • OneArmedScissor
        • 7 years ago

        The Qualcomm Krait core in most Snapdragon S4s is similar.

          • adisor19
          • 7 years ago

          But it’s not a Cortex-A15, so the answer to his questions is : No, no one else is shipping a Cortex-A15 CPU based SoC.

          Adi

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Silly, dishonest argument. You know perfectly well that Krait pretty much matches A15 in anything that matters

            • Beelzebubba9
            • 7 years ago

            You’ve seen benchmarks for shipping A15 based SoCs?

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            No.

            • Beelzebubba9
            • 7 years ago

            So then how do you know Krait matches the A15 in anything that matters? The Snapdragon had a very different performance profile than the A8 and A9, so why would you assume the A15 would be any different?

            It’s still hilarious to me that members of this board will fight tooth and nail over small differences in GPUs but totally gloss over the flagship launch of an entirely new ARM CPU core just because it’s in an Apple device.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Fair enough: I don’t know. I’m guessing.

            But benchies will be up soon – we’ll see then

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            he’s right though, a15 isn’t likely to be much faster then krait, if at all.

            • Beelzebubba9
            • 7 years ago

            I’ll bet you a firm smack on the ass that the A15 is faster in integer based workloads and substantially slower with FP.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<] I'll bet you a firm smack on the ass [/quote<] You promise?

            • Beelzebubba9
            • 7 years ago

            I’m a man of my word!

            • adisor19
            • 7 years ago

            No, no I don’t until the benchmarks come out.

            Adi

      • yogibbear
      • 7 years ago

      A faster CPU dothn’t make a longer battery life?…

        • willmore
        • 7 years ago

        They’re not directly related. Energy efficiency is the metric you’re looking for.

        Edit: s/no/not

    • dpaus
    • 7 years ago

    First!!

    (I’m actually #4, but if Apple can claim it, so can I….)

    By all accounts, the iPhone 5 is a decent phone. Nothing earth-shattering, though. With the pace of innovation in Android-land (even if the delivered product typically is much less polished than Apple), I’m rather underwhelmed.

    EDIT: OK, I [i<][b<]am[/i<][/b<] the first poster to ever get a 'Frist!!' post onto the 'Top Comments' list. Eat your heart out, SSK and NeelyCam!! EDIT #2: Holy crap, this is headed for The Number ONE Top Comment!! Neely's going to pee in my beer and spit on my wings (or vice-versa. Or both). And ssk.... When he gets that angry, I'm not sure if he'll try to kiss me or refuse to kiss me. EDIT #3: My God, it made it - a 'frist!!!' post as Top Comment. [i<][b<]What[/i<][/b<] is this website coming to?? (shakes head sadly...)

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      typical apple user argument to losing the innovation to android: YOU WOULDN’T HAVE ANDROID IF THEY DIDN’T INITIALLY COPY IOS.

        • derFunkenstein
        • 7 years ago

        And Apple wouldn’t have the neat turn-by-turn graphics in navigation if it wasn’t already in Android. There’s so much sharing and love going around.

        Who am I kidding? Apple and Google and MS are all jags to the nth degree. Hateful, spiteful people making delicious, lickable devices and software. Mmmm, mine tastes like strawberry.

          • sweatshopking
          • 7 years ago

          ummm. i’m pretty sure you’re not supposed to lick your phone…

            • dpaus
            • 7 years ago

            Somebody has to say it: “How do you know he meant his phone…?”

            • derFunkenstein
            • 7 years ago

            All I said was “Device”

            • A_Pickle
            • 7 years ago

            What are you talking about? My phone has a built-in urine scanner to scan me for STD’s. How ’bout THAT?

            • jihadjoe
            • 7 years ago

            That’d make a great biometric security feature.
            Lick the DNA sensor to unlock.

        • corwin155
        • 7 years ago

        agree fanbots working overtime

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      [quote<]OK, I am the first poster to ever get a 'Frist!!' post onto the 'Top Comments' list. Eat your heart out, SSK and NeelyCam!![/quote<] They need to implement the Top Negative Comments thingy. I'd rock that like 1993

        • sweatshopking
        • 7 years ago

        you bastard, dpaus!!!

          • NeelyCam
          • 7 years ago

          At least you got Nokia/MS as your trolling weapon of choice, and I got Intel.

          Dpaus has nothing.

            • no51
            • 7 years ago

            except his olympic sized swimming pool of money and his hot model wife.

            • dpaus
            • 7 years ago

            Just added you to my will πŸ™‚

    • JohnC
    • 7 years ago

    Yea, I’ve watched the live blog at Engadget… Somewhat disappointing that it misses some really useful features like inductive charging and that the rear camera essentially stayed the same. Other improvements are nice but still, there’s nothing that would actually made me feel like I should immediately upgrade from my 4S – I don’t really need the larger display size (I’m perfectly happy with display on 4S), same goes for LTE speeds (which only means I will hit the data limits faster) and for faster processor. When my current contract will expire (which still has about a year left) – I might think about it (or about whatever will come next year).

      • BIF
      • 7 years ago

      This is reasonable to me. I plan to compare iPhone 5 with other smartphones out there before I make any decisions.

        • NeelyCam
        • 7 years ago

        I’m waiting for Lumia 920 to actually be out so I can play with it. And Moto x86 phones (assuming they’ll be released in the US anytime soon)

          • sweatshopking
          • 7 years ago

          [quote<] I'm waiting for Lumia 920 [/quote<] that's a clever boy

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Actually.. when will it be out? If it’s towards the end of November, it might be too late for me

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            nov 2.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Thx – I can wait until then

            • MadManOriginal
            • 7 years ago

            I thought you were in the SD card slot camp like me?

            Samsung’s ATIV line looks nice, if not the Lumia 820. Lower res on the 820 with a medium-large 4.3″ screen is kind of a shame but oh well, it’s got an SD card slot.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            how much space do you ACTUALLY use on your current phone? i have 24gb on my focus, and only about 18 used. the 32 on the 920 would be overkill for me.

            • MadManOriginal
            • 7 years ago

            My music encoded as 128k VBR mp3 takes up 45GB. I’d rather not have to choose what to keep with me if I’m going to replace a PMP with a smart phone.

            • BobbinThreadbare
            • 7 years ago

            Google Play Music

            • MadManOriginal
            • 7 years ago

            I wouldn’t want to rely on cellular connectivity and/or use the limited data allotment, the two of which seem to be inverse amongst carriers – Sprint and T-Mobile have ‘unlimited’ data but worse coverage – for streaming something I can put on a $60-70 SD card.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            that’s an ass ton of tunes. you might want to pick a phone with an sd slot.

            • MadManOriginal
            • 7 years ago

            That’s why I bring it up every time I talk about smartphones or tablets.

            Alternatively if there was a phone that wsa knockout great but no SD card slot but did have an easy USB OTG implementation I’d consider it. That does allow for a lot of Android phones but there’s no problem finding an SD slot there, I guess I should look up USB OTG for WP.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Can you tell me more about Lumia 820..?

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            same SOC, but no OIS and the screen res is 800 x 480. it also doesn’t come with wireless charging, though it has swappable backs, and you can get ones that support it. it does have an sd card slot. it also comes in purple. it has a removable battery. the screen res is the thing that’ll make you a sad pony.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            That is a [i<][b<]CRAZY[/b<][/i<] amount of music. Now that I think of it, I have about half that amount of 'high-compression' music that I'd like to haul around..

            • End User
            • 7 years ago

            If anything that proves how little you use your phone.

            I’m disappointed that Apple stuck with 64GB.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            oic i’m smartphoning wrong. i don’t have enough songs, so i guess i don’t know how to use one.

            cool story, bra

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            It’s a difficult situation.. most androids are just too big to hold. Iphone size is perfect, but no microSD. Lumia920 has a great camera, but no microSD and it comes with Win8.

            I’m still waiting for the perfect phone.. MotoIntel – please save me! Right now I think Atrix HD is on top of my list, but I don’t feel like it’s much of an upgrade from what I have now.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            you hate your atrix. you said it’s a pos already. why would you want another one?

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            It’s a love-hate relationship.. No, I don’t hate it – I hate some aspects of it. Overall, I think it’s [i<]still[/i<] a great phone. I'd like a faster CPU (S4/M******d) so web surfing would be faster, and the UI feels sluggish overall.. but ICS upgrade (any day now.....) might fix that. It's sad - I sort of feel like I'm wasting money if I don't upgrade as soon as the option is available for me. But that's pretty much the only reason for me to upgrade.. and if TMobile had a better signal where I live, I might just hold on to the end of my 2-year contract, and switch to no-contract TMobile

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            [url<]http://www.wpcentral.com/iphone5-versus-lumia-920[/url<]

            • Hattig
            • 7 years ago

            I thought the iPhone 5 was pretty meh until I read that comparison with the comparatively brick-like Nokia 920!

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            THE 920 IS A MONSTER. IT’S A PHONE FOR MEN. MEN LIKE ME. MEN WHO AREN’T AFRAID OF BACK STRAIN FROM PICKING UP THEIR 1CM THICK PHONES.

            • Squeazle
            • 7 years ago

            Welcome to Tech Report where the the articles are completely legitimate and the comments don’t matter!

            100 points for all caps commentary.

            • End User
            • 7 years ago

            You buying one on Nov. 2nd?

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            possibly. it depends if it’s on virgin. and whether or not i get permission

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            I like the iPhone 5 comment “microSD card: Never”

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Also, nice comparison table. iPhone5 still looks pretty good because of the size.

            • End User
            • 7 years ago

            I love it!

            [quote<]but any photographer worth their salt would reach for the Nokia’s PureView camera over the iPhone 5 just based on specs.[/quote<] Any photographer worth their salt would not be using a mobile phone camera.

      • Ardrid
      • 7 years ago

      I’ve never understood the LTE fallacy. Just because you can download data faster does not mean you’re going to hit your limits faster. If your browsing/downloading habits don’t change, LTE isn’t going to suddenly make you download 5GB where you normally downloaded 2GB.

        • oldog
        • 7 years ago

        “Validas LLC, a company that tracks wireless bills, surveyed 275,000 smartphone owners in the U.S. and found a big difference between data use by people who carry LTE phones. People carrying smartphones that weren’t enabled for LTE averaged 500 megabytes of data per month in 2012, Validas found. But the average data use for an LTE subscriber was 1.2 gigabytes per month.”

        Source Wall Street Journal – Sept 11, 2012

          • Madman
          • 7 years ago

          So what? %#^*#, update the friggin infrastructure and remove those stinky caps and tethering limitations.

          It’s no longer year 1990! Moreover, once routers and optics are there, it cots exactly the same amount of cash to transmit 5 MB per month per user or a few TB.

          I want good online video subscription services, up to date navigation, Skype video calls and so on. Stop whining and get the #%#%$ infrastructure working!

          • willmore
          • 7 years ago

          Repeat after me, “Correlation is not causation.”

            • oldog
            • 7 years ago

            The WSJ suggests that rightly or wrongly this thinking underlies the huge capital expenditure to move to LTE by the TelCos.

            If there is no additional profit from moving to LTE, why bother? The stat I read is that ATT is spending roughly 20 billion dollars per year on their infrastructure.

            By the way the TelCos could be wrong, but I think not.

        • JohnC
        • 7 years ago

        Higher speeds tend to “encourage” me to “abuse” them. For example, when I am in range of available WiFi access point, I start to use more of higher bandwidth-dependant apps (like Twitch.tv or Justin.tv or Netflix), which I don’t do when using slower 3G connection (because it’s too slow for those). So I belive same thing might happen if I get a faster LTE connection – I would simply (intentionally or not) use more bandwidth-intensive apps (since they would now be actually more “pleasant” to use) and would hit my caps faster.

      • forumics
      • 7 years ago

      well you know what you need?

      android.

        • JohnC
        • 7 years ago

        I’ve tried Android-based (with various custom GUI’s) smartphones, as well as Windows-based (with Microsoft’s awful “Tetris” GUI) smartphones. Long story short: they are “not for me”, for many reasons (which are mostly subjective).

    • SkyWarrior
    • 7 years ago

    Most of the features actually come from the IOS itself but not from the hardware. Connection wise the device is better than 4S but only if you are using CDMA carriers. ATT HSPA+ is quite OK for me for the most part. I don’t need LTE currently.

    Ah again no T-Mobile again. T-Mobile when will you finish upgrading your network ????

      • derFunkenstein
      • 7 years ago

      I’m a little surprised by the continued lack of 1700/2100MHz HSDPA support. It’s been pretty fast in my experience, in my area, and coverage has been great. Not Verizon levels of great, but still really really good.

    • BoBzeBuilder
    • 7 years ago

    Apple Tax !!!

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      For the memory upgrades, definitely

      • Squeazle
      • 7 years ago

      Two words… edited 3 times. We have a winner!

        • danny e.
        • 7 years ago

        you spelled wiener wrong.

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