Saturday Shortbread

The Fierce Five

  1. Acer CEO: Microsoft’s Surface tablet threatens its long-time PC partners
  2. PCWorld: Dell to continue offering Windows 7 after lauch of Windows 8
  3. Neowin: Dual-screen Windows 8 Asus Taichi notebook priced at $1,299
  4. Bethesda Blog: Grab the official map app for

    Dishonored—now available on Android

  5. Joystiq: Halo 4 leak being investigated; Disc 2 contains multiplayer installation

    and Metro: Last Light dev removes multiplayer, focusing resources on single-

    player and select Ubisoft games 60% off on GOG right now


Saturday

  1. Newegg’s Weekend Express

Mobile

  1. Hardware.Info’s Apple iPhone 5 review
  2. TechReviewSource on Apple iPod nano (2012)

Software and gaming

  1. Threatpost: Microsoft patches critical Word

    flaw; certificate key length changes are official

  2. XCOM: Enemy Unknown patch notes for 10/11/12
  3. BmR’s Borderlands 2 Defeat The Warrior Farming guide

Hardware

  1. Hardware Secrets on MSI FM2-A85XA-GD65
  2. APH Networks on 32GB Patriot EP Pro SDHC
  3. Hardware Heaven reviews Inno3D GTX 680

    iChiLL Black Edition and GTX 660 Ti iChiLL

  4. NikKTech reviews 800W LEPA B800-MAS PSU
  5. Legit Reviews on In Win GRone case
  6. LanOC Reviews on Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced case
  7. FrostyTech reviews Xigmatek Dark Knight SD1283 Night Hawk ed.
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    • sunner
    • 7 years ago

    (#39 jpostel), So, Product Management’s ‘resistance’ is the principal barrier? Sounds logical.
    Thanks for the input.

    I wonder why Ballmer tolerates that resistance. It can hurt Win8 $ale$.
    Cuz, he’s not blind—he’s reading all the severe crap being thrown at Win8, because it has no ‘optional Start Menu’.
    jpostel, since you work with Product Mgmt, have you an opinion on why Ballmer is tolerant on this? Thanks.

      • jpostel
      • 7 years ago

      Pure speculation here, as I don’t work for MS. In the spirit of the new TR policies, I work for VMware:

      Ballmer trusts his folks to make the “right” decisions, and by that I mean, they make the decisions that make money for MS. As long as it is part of an overall MS plan (semi-consistent UI look/feel on desktop and mobile), and that plan does not change too much, Ballmer would not really kick any one in the teeth over this, even if they had to go back an make tweaks later. The real eye-opener for MS is their practice of “dog-fooding” internally (the process attributed to Paul Maritz, when he was at MS). That process usually gets the feedback loop started by forcing the internal users to switch from Windows 7 to 8, which I believe has already started.

      There is also a fairly common practice of getting something out the door as GA (generally available) with pending features that are code complete, but never made it through Test and QA. That is why I happen to think it will be back pretty soon.

      And just to clarify the tone of my statements (and play my own devil’s advocate), pre-release customer feedback is sometimes just noise. The people that beta-test and associated media are critics by nature, and some new paradigms take time to be accepted. I do, in fact, see this on a daily basis, and it is usually because a feature was purpose built to solve a certain problem, and that customer/reviewer does not have that problem (and therefore thinks the feature stupid and useless). The two most apropos semi-quotes are Henry Ford, “If I’d asked customers what they wanted, they would’ve said ‘a faster horse'”, and Steve Jobs, “A lot of times, people don’t know what they want until you show it to them.”

        • sunner
        • 7 years ago

        You should post here more often, you really know the Software business.
        Thanks much, for the Replies.

    • sunner
    • 7 years ago

    Question, for anyone who cares to answer…..

    Why wont Microsoft give Win8 an optional ‘Start’ menu—-for those who would like one?
    It would eliminate a lot of gripin’/groanin’/bitchin’ (against Win8)….wouldn’t it?

      • jpostel
      • 7 years ago

      Prediction: They will, but it will only be AFTER the official GA release. I would be willing to bet someone at MS already has the code ready to release (if it’s not already in Win8, but just well hidden) as a patch or add-on.

      I’ve worked in the software industry for a bit now and Product Managers are generally not very receptive when people tell them their baby is ugly. I have personally had those conversations while giving customer feedback to Product Management, and it very rarely ends with any immediate positive results. After some time to sink in, they usually get the message and make the changes.

      • l33t-g4m3r
      • 7 years ago

      Really? They’re forcing you to use the App store. That’s everything in a nutshell.

        • sweatshopking
        • 7 years ago

        they’re forcing you SOOO MUCH, THAT IT’S POSSIBLE TO COMPLETELY IGNORE IT!!! OH MAN, THE TRAVESTY!!
        you’re no more FORCED to use it than you are any other store. can you still use steam? yes, gmg? yes, ANY OTHER STORE?!?!? YES. nobody is FORCING you to use it, mr. ideologue, you are forced to have it installed, however. you just like to qq and act like the world is ending. i sure hope you exercise and eat well, otherwise with all your stress, you’ll have a heart attack.

          • rrr
          • 7 years ago

          Pot kettle black. Truly.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            fair enough.

    • blastdoor
    • 7 years ago

    Re wang worrying about surface:

    Until we see pricing and distribution, it’s hard to know how worried OEMs should be. This could just be a glorified reference design.

    • BIF
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]Threatpost: Microsoft patches critical World flaw [/quote<] Oh really! Microsoft is patching God's work now?

      • l33t-g4m3r
      • 7 years ago

      It was Pandora’s fault for opening the box.

      • chuckula
      • 7 years ago

      I was going to say.. wasn’t the World created by iMaps? Therefore, MS is patching the World after it inadvertently corrupted parts of the World. Consequently, the Brooklyn Bridge should be underwater shortly.

      • deathBOB
      • 7 years ago

      It explains so much!

      • Srsly_Bro
      • 7 years ago

      God’s work is perfect. There is nothing wrong with the iPhone 5.

    • l33t-g4m3r
    • 7 years ago

    Acer CEO: Microsoft’s Surface tablet threatens its long-time PC partners

    Microsoft is apparently stepping on everyone’s toes with Windows8. Just keep biting that hand that feeds, and see if you’re still around in 5 years. I doubt it. Apple was only able to pull it off with Jobs, and in the long term they’re going to have to adjust. You can’t mimic them that easily, especially when they can no longer do it themselves.

      • deathBOB
      • 7 years ago

      Fuck Acer and the other pc “partners.” What have they done to help secure Microsoft’s long-term success beyond the pc?

        • sweatshopking
        • 7 years ago

        Acer disappears? nobody cares. Lenovo is a quality company, that makes quality products, what do they have to say? oh yeah “bring it on, we love competition”. acer is qqing cause they suck. i own acers, bought a number of them, but this issue is their inability to compete even in the pc space without surface.

          • Deanjo
          • 7 years ago

          [quote<]Lenovo is a quality company[/quote<] You wouldn't say that if you tried their tablets. I was really disappointed with the build quality on their tablets.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            that may be true, but plenty of people find their computers to be very reliable. I haven’t used one of their tablets, so i can’t comment on them. I also don’t own a lenovo product, nor have i ever.
            [url<]http://ctwatchdog.com/finance/2012-computer-reliability-report-lenovo-most-reliable-acer-least-reliable-apple-declined[/url<]

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            Oh I agree with you on their thinkpads, they are awesome machines but they remind me of Sony in the 90’s where you can get a deadly product with the ES line but a lot of their stuff was complete ‘crap’ marketed relying on the name alone to hold itself up.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            WE SHOULD HUG!

    • LocalCitizen
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]PCWorld: Dell to continue offering Windows 7 after launch of Windows 8[/quote<] i wonder how dell could get away with that. i guess everyone would have inventory of win7 to clear on the win8 release date. and should dell have overestimated their sales and end up with higher than expected win7 inventory, it could take a while to clear those excess machines 😉

      • l33t-g4m3r
      • 7 years ago

      Dell’s got the capital to stockpile licenses, and that would be the smart move. Hell if everyone did this, Microsoft might just have to drop 8 altogether.

        • sweatshopking
        • 7 years ago

        YEAH, MS HAS NO CHOICE, THEY’D HAVE TO FORGET ABOUT ALL OF IT!!! JUST GO BACK TO THE GOOD OL’DAYS!!

          • l33t-g4m3r
          • 7 years ago

          Dude, buy a Mac.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            why? i LIKE windows. i’ll stick with what I like, rather than qqing about something. YOU should buy a linux. i assume you saw that the UEFI secure boot is resolved?

            • l33t-g4m3r
            • 7 years ago

            You DON’T like windows. Windows is what we had 95-7, whereas 8 is MS iPhone on a desktop.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            your opinion of windows is not universal.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<] i assume you saw that the UEFI secure boot is resolved?[/quote<] It's not "resolved" it's worked around rendering the whole point of the secure boot useless.

            • anotherengineer
            • 7 years ago

            Dude, I can’t afford a Mac.

            • l33t-g4m3r
            • 7 years ago

            There’s always ubuntu unity, or an ipad. I don’t see why people have to bring Microsoft’s UI down to their fisher price level, instead of just using the alternative they should have been using from the start.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            i’m not sure what that means. i know how to use the windows desktop. i’ve been using it for decades. do i think that it’s ideal for all situations? no. Do i think that the metro environment is ideal for all situations? no. I do like having the choice when it suits me however, and windows 8 offers that. I gain something, but lose nothing.

            • destroy.all.monsters
            • 7 years ago

            Arguably (without workaround software) you’ve lost boot to desktop and the ability to choose whether you wish to use an interface or not.

            I’ll be interested if you can use themes or customize your desktop to the degree that you can with 7 or not.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            You can customize as much. I’m not sure I lost anything with boot to desktop. I’ve gained boot to my metro apps. I often use metro apps over the desktop, and its much faster than using the desktop.

            • destroy.all.monsters
            • 7 years ago

            That’s interesting. What make the Metro apps compelling to you? Their simplicity? Serious question. I’m trying to understand why someone would like this outside a touchscreen (or for that matter what makes it more compelling than Apple with either of its OSes).

            For me this is the emperor’s new clothes, for MS it’s apparently “we’re going to drag everyone kicking and screaming into (our version of) the 21st century whether they like it or not”, so it’s instructive to hear the views of someone that actually likes it

            Personally I think it’s going to be a major fail but I’ve been wrong before (and will be again).

            Still using the beta or are you using the RTM version?

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            the netflix app, for example, is a far faster way to get access to it. it doesn’t have the silverlight quirks that the browser one does, it loads content faster, and just generally runs quicker. i use the CBC news app for my canadian news, something i doubted i’d do, as i use google news, but it’s so much nicer to use, i find i usually do that instead. Rowi is a great twitter app, that is much more attractive than the site. i like the way it looks so find i use that more than the site too. that’s not to say i think they’re always better, but there are situations where they’re handy to have.

            i’m running the RTM pro

            • destroy.all.monsters
            • 7 years ago

            Thanks for providing concrete examples. It sounds like you’re using specifically mobile apps (to your benefit) but what about Metro productivity apps? Are there any that make use of the new UI in a way that’s actually positive? What I mean is are there any that specifically leverage the UI in such a way as to make it better than the desktop versions.

            Is there any way to modify the look and feel of Metro apps or is that only for the desktop?

            • Arag0n
            • 7 years ago

            I hope your advice to buy an iPad over a laptop or a desktop Mac is just a joke. Some people actually needs to do something else than webbrowsing, facebook and play angry birds.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            It is an insult. He’s saying I’m so dumb I should buy an apple product.

            • l33t-g4m3r
            • 7 years ago

            Exactly right. 8 is an abomination that tries to be a tablet and desktop OS, and fails at both. You either use one or the other, not a horrible mishmash of both. Desktop mode should have a proper start menu and be able to completely bypass Metro, and tablet mode shouldn’t need to ever use desktop mode to do things.

            • l33t-g4m3r
            • 7 years ago

            And for those people there is Windows 7, because 8 is a pathetic joke only useful for facebook and angry birds. My advice stands because it isn’t for people who want a usable computer, it’s for people who want useless fisher price bling.

            • absurdity
            • 7 years ago

            You know, the fisher price argument was used pretty heavily for XP, but people came around to that one okay. It’s pretty clear that you don’t like it, and that’s okay. I don’t understand why you have to spam about it every time it comes up.

            • l33t-g4m3r
            • 7 years ago

            Why? The issue is the App store. The Fisher Price Bling is the frosting on the cake, or the Wizard of Oz’s projected head, solely put there to drum up false controversy and pick up support from the literally insane trendies. Metro is really terrible for desktop management, so it’s bad regardless of how stupid it looks, and it’s lock in for the App store, which is the real controversy. Microsoft is also now competing with hardware vendors with the Surface, attempting to become more like Apple, which nobody in the business wants because Ms WAS the Apple alternative.

            If customers and businesses move to Linux, it’s not because they want to, it’s be because they now HAVE to. This is truly a great travesty for past windows supporters, but will turn out to be a much needed break for the Linux folks, which will eliminate the windows tax and problems like long-term support, which will lower the entry cost to desktop pcs, and usher in a new renaissance for PC gaming. Microsoft is only hurting themselves with W8.

            • destroy.all.monsters
            • 7 years ago

            I tend to agree with you. The overly simplified Metro UI just seems out of place.

            They seem to think they can compete with Apple on its own turf and using the same gameplan which doesn’t seem to make much sense. I’m not sure they have the money to lose in a war of this magnitude compared to that of the console market.

            It does all seem to be about the app store as you mentioned. The next two months are going to be very interesting after 8 is released. I see a lot of people seeing the ads on tv thinking how simple it is and seeing that it meshes two paradigms quite poorly.

            If MS was really willing to go all out they’d have to have the stores the same way Apple does – and that’s something they don’t seem to want to do.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            they’re building stores all over….

      • Sam125
      • 7 years ago

      What do you mean? Companies were offering Windows XP up until MS told them that XP was reaching EOL status.

      • BIF
      • 7 years ago

      “Launch” is misspelled in the heading.

        • Shouefref
        • 7 years ago

        You’re right.
        It should read “laugh”.

      • Deanjo
      • 7 years ago

      They don’t want to alienate their one last strong hold, the corporate environment.

        • LocalCitizen
        • 7 years ago

        the corpos have their own license deal with the devil, err i mean MS. they order bare machines from the likes of dell and hp, and load their own hdd image onto it, incl windows, office, and enterprise apps.

          • Deanjo
          • 7 years ago

          Not always, for many smaller companies it is just as cheap, if not cheaper to buy workstations with it preloaded.

      • chuckula
      • 7 years ago

      That really isn’t surprising since even the official marketing types from MS have flatly said that businesses should stick to Windows 7 on the desktop, and businesses make up a large portion of Dell’s customer base.

      • Metonymy
      • 7 years ago

      Remember when Vista first came out? Dell (and I assume HP and others) following MS’s policy and stopped offering XP. That lasted for all of a month or two, if that, because we, and obviously many other corporate buyers, stopped purchasing until XP was again available.

      I heard from our marketing rep that that was considered a fiasco, and Dell probably isn’t going to go down without a fight this time.

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