Thursday Shortbread

Eight is Enough

  1. The new Chromebook, for everyone
  2. The Verge: With Surface looming, Microsoft fails to

    explain Windows 8 vs. Windows RT to consumers

  3. Ars Technica: Microsoft fresh out of $499 Surface RTs after one day of pre-orders
  4. X-bit labs: Microsoft defends low resolution of Surface media tablet on Windows

    RT and memory makers to slowdown migration to new process technologies

  5. 9to5Mac: New Mac minis and iMacs to retain same or very

    similar pricing to current models, Retina unlikely

  6. The Verge: EPEAT’s flip-flop on ‘unrepairable’ MacBook

    Pro reveals a muddied mess of green tech standards

  7. CPU World has prices of upcoming AMD FX microprocessors
  8. VR-Zone: Nvidia’s top end Kepler unveiled: Tesla K20


Thursday

  1. CBS News: Microsoft earnings secondary to Surface, cloud
  2. Take a walk through a Google data center
  3. X-bit labs: Contract price of 4GB DDR3 memory

    module price drops below $16 as demand falls

  4. BGR: Apple’s Lightning cable’s ‘mystery’ chip

    provides weaker security than a printer cartridge’s

  5. HotHardware on why local storage matters
  6. PC Perspective’s podcast
  7. Fudzilla: Razer hosts Star Wars Blade notebook giveaway
  8. Newegg’s 72-hour sale
  9. Dealzon’s deals: $200 off 15.6″ hp ProBook 4530s i3-2350M, $265 off

    15.6″ Toshiba L850D AMD A6-4400M, and $400 off 14″ hp Envy 14

    Spectre i7-2677M / 128GB SSD

Mobile

  1. The Verge: Acer Iconia Tab A110 packs Tegra 3

    and Jelly Bean into a 7-inch tablet for $229.99

  2. VR-Zone: Nokia Lumia 920 exclusive to AT&T for first 6 months
  3. TestFreaks review Magnetyze Apple iPhone 4 / 4S charger
  4. AllThingsD: Infinity Blade Dungeons won’t ship until next year

Software and gaming

  1. Oracle releases Java SE 7u9 and Java SE 6 update 37
  2. TechReviewSource on Mozilla Firefox 16
  3. Runic Games Forums: Torchlight II patch 1.14.x.5 (now live)
  4. Irrational Games: BioShock Infinite Premium & Ultimate Songbird Edition announced

Systems and storage

  1. Legit Reviews on AMD A8-5600K
  2. TechSpot: Thunderbolt-equipped Gigabyte Z77X-UP5TH meets Velociraptor Duo
  3. [H]ard|OCP reviews Gigabyte F2A85X-UP4
  4. KitGuru reviews ASRock Z77 OC Formula
  5. HTL reviews 8GB Kingston HyperX Predator 2666MHz memory kit
  6. circuitRemix reviews 256GB OCZ Vertex 4 SSD
  7. techPowerUp! reviews QNAP TS-869L NAS
  8. NikKTech reviews Thecus N4100EVO NAS server

Multimedia and cases

  1. Guru3D’s Inno3D iChill HerculeZ GeForce GTX 660 review
  2. Phoronix: Testing Nvidia’s Linux threaded OpenGL optimizations
  3. Hardware.Info reviews LG 55LM760S TV
  4. Hardware Heaven reviews Asus RoG Vulcan Pro headset
  5. Neoseeker’s Corsair Vengeance M60, K60, M90 & K90 review
  6. TWL reviews Corsair Vengeance M60 mouse
  7. TweakTown’s AZiO Levetron Mech5 keyboard
  8. ProClockers review Xigmatek Pure Black Asgard Pro case
  9. HCW and The SSD Review on Cougar’s Challenger case
  10. Hardware Secrets reviews In Win H-Frame case
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    • Parallax
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]X-bit labs: Microsoft defends low resolution of Surface media tablet on Windows[/quote<] Does ClearType work in portrait orientation yet? It doesn't on any version of Windows I've tried, and if they're relying on ClearType to make up for resolution it had better. Ironically, the "eye contrast sensitivity" graph in the X-bit article has ClearType applied incorrectly to the vertical text.

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    interesting article. helps explain some to the windows 8 stuff as well as the threat to the entire business model. [url<]http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/19/google-microsoft-smartphone-apps?newsfeed=true[/url<]

    • Arclight
    • 7 years ago

    Speaking of Chrome, i wanted to try it out (the browser i mean), since it’s been quite some time since i uninstalled it and i must say i really, really don’t like it. From the plain looking white window to the idiotic and confusing settings culminating with the fact that despite i was looknig for 15 minutes i couldn’t find an option for zoom to remain the same for all the sites i visit.

    Also why isn’t there an official 64 bit version yet? Why am i bothering with a 64 bit OS if the programs can’t take advantage of the higher volume of available memory.
    /rant

      • destroy.all.monsters
      • 7 years ago

      I use Opera Next 64 bit for my backup browser but I rarely use it. I don’t get the Chrome hate personally (I run Iron so there’s not the built in tracking/spyware etc). I haven’t used Firefox in years – just too unstable. I often run over a hundred tabs with no issues.

      Given that it runs each page or a small group of pages into a separate exe I don’t get why you’d need it to be fully 64 bit unless you’ve got well over 32 gigs of RAM and are running about 3-400 tabs at a minimum and trying to game simultaneously. The ability to kill anything in its own task manager is a huge plus too. It’s rare the browser itself crashes.

        • Arclight
        • 7 years ago

        Ok then how about the thing that urked me the most: user defined zoom that can’t be set the same for all sites? Where is the setting to fix that in Chrome? Does SRware iron have this issue also? If not i might give it a try.

          • destroy.all.monsters
          • 7 years ago

          I’m just playing with it now and I can’t tell whether it saves it for all sites but in my extremely limited testing it did.

          It’s located under Settings>Show Advanced Settings>Web Content and there’s an adjustment for both font size (though not numerically) and page size. However using the Font size radio button it does appear to be able to be changed.

          There’s also a portable version of Iron if you’re concerned about uninstalling it cleanly.

        • indeego
        • 7 years ago

        Scroll down on [url=http://panoptikos.com/pictures/browse/sfw/view:normal<]this page[/url<] and watch your memory exhaust (it'll take a while but it'll happen.) 64-bit browsers can pretty much handle unlimited scrolling. 32-bit ones cannot.

          • sschaem
          • 7 years ago

          I guess you never tried Chrome…

            • indeego
            • 7 years ago

            It was crap every time I did. Printing horrid. Plug-ins absolutely no comparison to FF, even the same ones! Auto-update process gone amuck (several processes running constantly regardless of Chrome’s installation status.) I’d use IE and Opera before trying Chrome again.

          • destroy.all.monsters
          • 7 years ago

          Do you have something to back up this claim? I spent way longer than I would have liked scrolling down and looking at uninteresting pictures and it never pegged more than 1.4 gigs of RAM.

          Not that you asked me but unlimited scrolling is probably the worst web design “feature” I’ve ever seen and it needs to die a painful death (along with those that deliberately put it in their pages). Horrible.

          • xeridea
          • 7 years ago

          Yes, because everyone sits scrolling down a colossal page of thousands of high res images on a super high speed connection, and has an i7 @ 20 Ghz and video card with 32 GB VRAM to keep it all snappy. Perhaps they should add a zoom feature where you can load up 4,000 images and zoom out to see them all at the same time, on your 8k display.

          I have found that Chrome is a bit slow on pages with massive imagery, perhaps they don’t have full hardware acceleration yet, but I find it faster for everything else. This isn’t a memory issue though, and wouldn’t be fixed with 64-bit. The issue with 64 bit is even if browser is 64 bit, plugin support is still lackluster, and you will end up using 32-bit anyway, for say, Youtube. I use both Chrome and FF, Chrome as default for raw speed, FF for Firebug, and work tabs.

          Awesome site though.

      • Flatland_Spider
      • 7 years ago

      Then there is the mess that is printing in Chrome.

      • sschaem
      • 7 years ago

      Each of your browser tab/window uses more then 4gig of ram ?!?!
      Show us proof ! Screenshot task manager with the task list.

      Even on complicated site I max at 100 to 200 meg… MEG

      64bit would be more about some potential execution speedup.
      But to me I value more working WebGL then a 5% speedup in javascript.

    • Shouefref
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]Microsoft defends low resolution of Surface media tablet on Windows RT [/quote<] Give it one or two years, and that thing is completely obsolete.

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      duh. it’s a tegra 3. give it 3 months and it’s obsolete. are you new to this technology stuff?

        • Shouefref
        • 7 years ago

        I’m always a bit conservative in that kind of estimates.
        Damn, some people are even still [i<]making[/i<] lp's! And getting them sold too!

        • Deanjo
        • 7 years ago

        Tegra 3 is already obsolete. Nvidias competition has surpassed it already.

        • NeelyCam
        • 7 years ago

        The new HTC One X+ has Tegra3 in it, and it’s supposed to be faster AND have better battery life than the dual-core Krait in HTC One X.

      • destroy.all.monsters
      • 7 years ago

      Just in time for the next model! A win all around!

      • gmskking
      • 7 years ago

      Give anything in that industry 1-2 years and its obsolete.

    • xeridea
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]The new Chromebook, for everyone[/quote<] [quote<]High-resolution videos (in 1080p) are beautiful to watch[/quote<] Your not fooling me with "1080p" on a 720p screen.

    • xeridea
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]The Verge: EPEAT's flip-flop on 'unrepairable' MacBook[/quote<] Apple can't have anyone repairing anything, otherwise they wouldn't be able to sell them another overprice novelty item that will be worthless if anything at all goes wrong, and fill up landfills.

    • UberGerbil
    • 7 years ago

    So the base Chromebook is $249. But how much memory and NAND does it have? There’s a [url=http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/samsung-chromebook.html#specs<]specs page[/url<], but it doesn't tell you. There's a specs page for the $449 [url=http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebook-samsung-550.html#specs<]"550" version[/url<], which at least tells you it has 4GB -- leading me to conclude the base model has less. But how much less? 1GB? 2GB? And how much local storage (yes, I know Google wants you to use their cloud; I don't care).

      • indeego
      • 7 years ago

      Sounds like you don’t care.

      • codedivine
      • 7 years ago

      You read the specs of the 550 wrong, it only mentions 4GB RAM but does not mention the storage. For the new $249 version, I believe it has 16GB local storage according to various random web sources. The interesting thing is that the $249 chromebook may very well be the first shipping Cortex A15 device as it is based upon the Exynos 5.

        • UberGerbil
        • 7 years ago

        No, I read it right, I just wasn’t as clear as I should have been in my comments. I was asking about both RAM and local storage, and noting that I only got one of the two specs for one of the two models.

        And if the $249 device has 16GB of NAND, they better be dropping the price of their 16GB Nexus tablet, since right now it’s the same price with a smaller screen and sans a keyboard.

        But yeah, if it is A15-based it may be worth a look for that reason alone.

        • Arag0n
        • 7 years ago

        Still, it supports what I said for long, Android is better option for laptops than Chrome OS right now.

      • Flatland_Spider
      • 7 years ago

      2GB RAM ang 16GB flash.
      [url<]http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6869096&id=1218810049489&type=product[/url<]

      • tfp
      • 7 years ago

      [url<]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromebook#Models[/url<]

      • MadManOriginal
      • 7 years ago

      I want to know how hackable they are.

      Can the base Chromebook be loaded with Linux? I imagine drivers would be the major hindrance there – when it comes to a notebook not only are there non-exchangable parts, but there are much more specific things like the trackpad.

      Can the 550 version have the storage replaced? I thought I read it’s a mSATA SSD somewhere. Even if it’s just a Core i3 it would make a decent ultrabook-ish thing…same driver issue though.

      • Hattig
      • 7 years ago

      Known: 2GB RAM, 16GB Flash

      As for the CPU, it’s a dual-Core ARM Cortex A15 with ARM Mali T604 graphics. The CPU speed appears to be 1.7GHz but that’s not verified for this product, only the SoC that it uses:

      [url<]http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/product/application/detail?productId=7668&iaId=2341[/url<]

    • l33t-g4m3r
    • 7 years ago

    Microsoft fails to explain Windows 8 vs. Windows RT to consumers

    Of course! That’s the whole point of what Microsoft is attempting to do, which is to copy Apple’s business model. It’s much harder to accomplish by being honest with your customers, instead of using propaganda and deception.

    I highly recommend reading this article as it has direct quotes from Microsoft store employees being dishonest about WinRT’s capabilities. Any customer who realizes they’ve been duped after purchasing a RT surface will likely be very upset. I don’t see Microsoft doing well in the future after this hits FUBAR status.

    Also, if anyone was thinking about gaming on RT since they showed an Unreal tech demo, keep in mind the App store doesn’t sell 18+ games, so you aren’t getting a full experience even if you don’t mind being locked in. RT is a pathetically crippled OS, maybe even more so than an ipad.

      • PrincipalSkinner
      • 7 years ago

      You do know iPads use iOS and not Mac OS?

        • Deanjo
        • 7 years ago

        Well…. it is essentially the same OS with a different UI. Same kernel, same api’s, abi’s, frameworks, etc, but just a different architecture. It’s like linux on the desktop vs linux on an appliance. Still, I don’t think anybody ever thought that buying an iPad or iPhone would mean being able to run OS X desktop apps on those devices.

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      man, you should right this SAME thing again, like everyday.

        • entropy13
        • 7 years ago

        “Right this”? So you want him to correct it again?

          • sweatshopking
          • 7 years ago

          hahaahahah my spelling fail! how embarrassing!

          • l33t-g4m3r
          • 7 years ago

          LOL. It was a truthful gaffe produced by his subconscious mind.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            I agree, but in that case I was suggesting that you were off course, and should “right” the ship.

      • destroy.all.monsters
      • 7 years ago

      I don’t know that it’s MS being intentionally dishonest. It’s more likely that they went on a mass hiring spree and didn’t bother training anyone – or trained them in a slip-shod manner. It just indicates to me how Apple iterates better and focuses on the details and MS doesn’t.

      Will it raise the ire of those purchasing and provide an black eye MS could have avoided? Undoubtedly.

      The degree to which users get pissed and how MS chooses to handle it will have a lot to do with how well it goes over. I foresee a lot of folks returning them in the Christmas rush as a result (and the minimal amount of apps involved) but they still have a window of opportunity to fix things.

        • Arag0n
        • 7 years ago

        Agree, I don’t think the problem is that microsoft is doing it intentionally, it’s that they mass hired and people still do not understand the product.

          • BabelHuber
          • 7 years ago

          This does not matter at all. Customers who don’t follow the tech press will asume that a Windows-device runs Windows software.

          Imagine the dissapointment! Imagine the customers returning to the store with a Surface RT, a USB-DVD-player and a Windows program, asking why they cannot install it.

          And then imagine the retail employees, when they explain to these customers that no, you can’t install regular Windows software. And no, you cannot install anything at all, just use the windows App store.

          And then imagine the anger of these customers, and the poor employee who has to handle this.

          During my University days in the 90ies, I worked in retail, selling mobile phones. Back then it was always a good idea to sell a Nokia or Siemens phone, customers liked them.

          But there were phones where you got customers coming back and complaining. I did not like this, I wanted to sell, not to be yelled at.

          So, what did we do? Simple, if a device leads to angry customers, you don’t order it in stock anymore. If a customer asked for it I told him I can order it, but I wouldn’t recommend it and I won’t take it back if he is dissatisfied with it, because I have already told him it is junk.

          This is the fate of Windows RT, it will become a device nobody wants to sell.

            • destroy.all.monsters
            • 7 years ago

            This is the kind of thing I hear from Fry’s reps all the time – and I think you’re going to be right. What I’m mostly saying is that they might be able to save the MS or Windows brand not so much that RT is going to be a beloved alternative.

            Still I wouldn’t want to be having to push Surfaces at MS stores particularly in the Christmas season. I can imagine the 26th of December will go down as a particularly black day for those folks.

      • Shouefref
      • 7 years ago

      It reminds me of a sales man who told somebody MS Office was on his pc, whereas there was only a demo version on it. He always kept shut about the fact it was a demo version. I helped the buyer out with a free OO.o version.

      • blastdoor
      • 7 years ago

      Ha — I like the non seq shot at apple. I guess trashing apple is what you have to do to gain the credibility to trash Microsoft.

      I would just point out that apple has never tried to convince anyone anywhere that iOS is just like OSX.

      Now lets see …. What can I do to build some credibility… Um, I heard that Tim cook drowns kittens and that Steve Jobs used to run down blind people in his Mercedes for sport. There, that ought to do it.

    • UberGerbil
    • 7 years ago

    So matter how good the Nokia 920 actually ends up being, it’s still tied to AT&T (for as long as matters with phone hardware, anyway, which have the kind of shelf life that makes bananas look like paragons of endurance). I wonder how much that will matter to the handful who actually want to buy one (SSK is in Canada: is it a Rogers exclusive there?)

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      AT&T hate is a bit overblown. It seems to be a popular stance, though – I’d like to understand why AT&T is so hated..

      My own experience with AT&T has been good for over five years.

        • UberGerbil
        • 7 years ago

        I think it depends on where you live. I was on AT&T in the 90s (analog, and then for a while after the transition to digital) and its coverage was quite good locally, but that’s because they had inherited the infrastructure from McCaw which had been based in Redmond and always had good service locally. Other people in other areas (particularly influential areas like SF and Manhattan) had pretty spotty, crappy service and slow upgrades to higher speeds, and so AT&T’s rep suffered (particularly in comparison to Verizon, which was stronger in those areas thanks to its inheritance from Bell Atlantic et al). AT&T may have made up the difference since then (I don’t know: like I said, it was never a problem here) but reputations tend to linger. AT&T also had notoriously bad customer service, which left a lingering bad taste in a lot of mouths.

        • destroy.all.monsters
        • 7 years ago

        Neely I’ve mentioned why on at least two different occasions – and others have chimed in each time. Just because you dismiss what you hear based on your own feelings doesn’t mean you haven’t been made aware.

        Worst customer service in the industry, unwillingness to work with customers and creating post- contract clauses they try to hold you to, and on and on. Reception and the lack of it isn’t even as big an issue.

        Since you’re unwilling to listen to anyone else’s first hand experience here I invite you to look up what people on the consumerist and dsl reports think of them. Or if you want to blow them off too there’s always Consumer Reports and J.D. Power.

        This whole “it never happened to me so it didn’t happen” stance you seem to have really undercuts your credibility in this regard.

          • NeelyCam
          • 7 years ago

          Link on the ‘post-contract clauses’ thingy, please?

          Unwillingness to work with customers? Link, please? Or is this your own experience?

          Worst customer service? Looks like it’s pretty even between Verizon, AT&T and TMobile:

          [url<]http://www.theacsi.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=147&catid=14&Itemid=212&i=Wireless+Telephone+Service[/url<] Meanwhile (thanks, SSK!): [url<]http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57533001-38/verizon-draws-fire-for-monitoring-app-usage-browsing-habits/[/url<] How about this: [url<]http://www.fcc.gov/document/verizon-wireless-pay-125-million-settle-investigation[/url<] All carriers are profit seeking greedbags. I just think AT&T is singled out unfairly. You seem to strenuously disagree. Did you by any chance have a negative experience with AT&T, and that is influencing your opinion?

            • destroy.all.monsters
            • 7 years ago

            Verizon’s customer service has been rated at or near the very top for years by a number of different rating agencies including the one you posted – with ATT at or near the bottom.

            [url<]http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57480743-94/j.d-power-for-third-time-verizon-is-customer-service-champ/[/url<] [url<]http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/JD-Power-ATT-Still-Stinks-at-Customer-Service-115716[/url<] [url<]http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Sprint-Rises-ATT-Falls-in-Customer-Satisfaction-114252[/url<] [url<]http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Consumer-Reports-ATT-Still-Stinks-117316[/url<] [url<]http://venturebeat.com/2011/12/06/att-facebook-consumer-reports/[/url<] [url<]http://www.epinions.com/reviews/General_Reviews_of_AT_T_Customer_Service?sb=1[/url<] [url<]http://www.laptopmag.com/mobile-life/rating-carrier-customer-service.aspx?page=7[/url<] [url<]http://att.pissedconsumer.com/[/url<] [url<]http://www.my3cents.com/reviews/att_wireless[/url<] [url<]http://www.customerservicescoreboard.com/AT%26T+Wireless[/url<] And all the various comments which are almost unanimously anti-ATT are instructive. All of these you would have found easily had you searched for them as I mentioned. I never claimed any of the telcos (wireless or otherwise) were swell guys and stand up joes - just that compared to any of the other carriers I've tried (which includes Sprint, Verizon, ATT and T-Mobile) I've never had worse service. Every single person I've suggested go to Verizon or T-Mo after discussing ATT's customer service have thanked me (in the dozens). As I've stated in the past yes I had problems with ATT and I have never hid that fact. Actually prior to the Cingular merger things were actually better - at least locally. My experiences with ATT consist primarily of them trying to find ways not to help you or point out a contract clause that wasn't in effect at the time of sale (stating that I received the updated information in a letter - certainly not negotiated). This was at the same time they rather famously changed it so that arbitration was your only recompense. Unfortunately it looks like the Consumerist (which before it got hacked - apparently all content prior to September is gone) no longer has the articles up I intended to post and had a whole series of articles about ATT dating back to when it was still owned by Gawker. The old consumerist links are down but there's this: [url<]http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/blog/att%E2%80%99s-double-standard-you-can%E2%80%99t-sue-us-we-can-sue-you[/url<] And this: [url<]http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/newsrelease/lowering-bar-cingular-crippled-cell-service-deceived-overcharged-att-customers-after-mer[/url<] [url<]http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/case/cingular-att-merger-coneff-v-att-corp-et-al[/url<] [url<]http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/newsrelease/consumer-watchdog-warns-regulators-not-be-fooled-twice-att-calls-rejection-merger-t-mobi[/url<] And here's them trying to screw their DSL subscribers: [url<]http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-Highlights-Plan-to-Hang-up-on-POTS-DSL-121285[/url<] For that matter you could see both on TR and Ars and elsewhere untold amounts of hatred and loathing by T-Mobile users at the thought of being stuck with ATT after they'd been burned. Oh and I nearly forgot the times that all their towers went down in the area and they refused to give refunds. Even Comcast wasn't as bad. And here's one that's brand spanking new: [url<]http://lifehacker.com/5953022/worst-company-for-customer-service[/url<] Only 135 votes and already a heaping helping of hate for ATT. I edited out the local yelp reviews for privacy's sake but they are at 1.5 out of 5.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Did you read the stuff in this link of yours?

            [url<]http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Consumer-Reports-ATT-Still-Stinks-117316[/url<] Looks like the people are generally saying AT&T is better, or at least not any worse than Verizon. I didn't know Epinions still existed... anyways, here's what they say about Verizon. Same stuff as with AT&T - I don't see a difference: [url<]http://www.epinions.com/reviews/General_Reviews_of_Verizon_Customer_Service?sb=1[/url<] It's funny how you'd slam me for using my own experience to form my opinion and say how it affects my credibility ... [quote<]"This whole "it never happened to me so it didn't happen" stance you seem to have really undercuts your credibility in this regard."[/quote<] ... yet you do the same exact thing... We can both continue posting pro-AT&T/Verizon links and anti-AT&T/Verizon links until the Mayans blow up this planet. But to me it seems they are both equally good (or, rather, "bad"). I was just implying that the general bias against AT&T may not be justified (anymore), and maybe people should reconsider that bias and also look at AT&T's offerings, like this Lumia 920 here.

          • dashbarron
          • 7 years ago

          I’ve heard and read about the AT&T hate, but I’ve never had them for service.

          I had to setup AT&T service and contact CSRs three times in the last year, however. Each time the wait was small, the people were polite and helpful, and my overall experience was surprisingly very good.

          Thinking about the 920 myself, which is why I’m following this with interest.

      • oldog
      • 7 years ago

      I agree with the comment that in the main old phones don’t sell well. But look at the old iPhone numbers!

      “Verizon sold a lot of iPhones in its third quarter: 3.1 million. That was about 46 percent of the smartphones activated on the carrier’s network during the period. Of those 3.1 million iPhones, 650,000 were the newly released iPhone 5, which arrived at market near the end of the quarter. That means the remaining 2.5 million iPhones activated by Verizon were older models like the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S.”

      Source AllThingsD.com October 18, 2012

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      it IS a rogers exclusive, and as such, i won’t be buying one. it’s retarded, but rogers is [i<] that [/i<] bad. we have hspa+ over most of nova scotia with telus and bell. rogers is edge. nm the horrible nature of their contracts, high prices, bad customer service, and inability to make changes to your plan. i knew 5 people who were going to get the 920. now i know 0. true story.

        • NeelyCam
        • 7 years ago

        An LTE flagship phone on edge…? Good planning

          • MadManOriginal
          • 7 years ago

          Obviously their network isn’t EDGE everywhere, silly.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            they have decent ontario coverage, southern quebec and alberta aren’t bad either. But the rest of the country sucks. since they are the major ontario provider, TECHNICALLY they’re canada’s biggest provider, as they have the most people. anywhere outside of ontario they suck though. Plus they have all that other crap i mentioned, AND NO MONTH TO MONTH PLANS!!!! 3 year contract (which you can’t change at all!! need more data, or less? restarts your contract!!!) or GTFO

    • NeelyCam
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]CPU World has prices of upcoming AMD FX microprocessors [/quote<] With discounts like these, no wonder the losses mount and people get fired

      • Deanjo
      • 7 years ago

      Well overcharging for a dud wouldn’t help either.

        • Arclight
        • 7 years ago

        I still think that, given the performance, the highest end AMD chip should be priced around 130-140 dollars to sell well (but idk the upstream costs, so they might be sold at a loss at that price).

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