UPDATED: Deal of the week—Windows 8 edition

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At midnight last night, Windows 8 became available to the general public. The operating system can now be purchased on its own, as an upgrade to Windows 7, and on a plethora of machines both new and old.

Windows 8’s new “Modern UI” user interface has its proponents and detractors. However, as we’ve found after some hands-on time with Windows RT—the slightly trimmed-down, ARM-compatible version of the OS—the new UI is extremely well-suited to touch operation. It has a visual style and personality quite different from that of Android and iOS, but it’s fast, smooth, and surprisingly intuitive to use on a tablet or touch-screen PC.

Windows 8 also has a new version of the classic Windows desktop. Microsoft has made plenty of improvements that should please power users, like beefing up the Task Manager, serving up multiple taskbars on multiple monitors, and enhancing the Windows Explorer with a ribbon-style toolbar and more powerful file management. I’ve been using it on my main desktop since last night, and I’m pleased with the upgrade so far—though having to bob back to the Modern UI Start screen to open new apps will take some getting used to.

Microsoft offers a downloadable upgrade to Windows 8 Pro for $40 from its website, but it’s upgrade-only and doesn’t include physical media. If you’d prefer a physical copy, Newegg has a selection of Windows 8 DVDs available:

Unlike the upgrade editions, the OEM versions don’t require an older version of Windows to install. Oh, and for what it’s worth, Newegg throws in a free copy of CyberLink PowerDVD 12 (worth $49.99 on its own) with OEM versions of Win8.

Update: Newegg tells us the OEM versions of Windows 8 linked above come with a $20 Newegg gift card. The card has no expiration date, but you won’t get it until 30 days after your purchase, once the window for returning the product has closed. Orders placed between October 26 at midnight and October 28 at 11:59 PM should all qualify for the gift card.

The e-tailer also has Windows 8 PCs and tablets for sale.

The ARM-powered Asus Vivo Tab RT, which we wrote about earlier this week, is in stock and available for $599 with free shipping. Newegg doesn’t mention the keyboard dock in the product listing, but Asus tells us the $599 price tag should cover both the tablet and the detachable keyboard dock. The device has a Tegra 3 processor, 32GB of storage, a 10.1″ multi-touch display with a 1366×768 resolution, and Windows RT with Office RT Home & Student pre-installed.

Also, Newegg carries a touch-enabled ultrabook, Sony’s Vaio T Series SVT13124CXS, for $799.99 shipped. That’s the cheapest machine of its kind we see in stock right now. It’s got a 13.3″ touch screen, a Core i5-3217U processor, 4GB of memory, and a hybrid storage solution with a 32GB SSD and a 500GB mechanical drive. The laptop weighs 3.77 lbs and is only 0.75″ thick, which is pretty portable. Given the Modern UI’s propensity for touch input, I’d say it’s worth getting a Win8 machine with a touch screen if you can.

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    • Washer
    • 7 years ago

    Yesterday and today my first time extensively using Windows 8. Very mixed feeling… there’s clear improvements in many of the areas you’d expect like the task manager, multi-monitor support, and Explorer.

    The new Start screen has been a very poor experience in my opinion on a desktop. I’m failing to see what advantages it holds for that type of use. Considering then that Microsoft removed the Start menu to force this on the desktop user it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

    Overall… thankful I didn’t have to pay near full price and that Classic Shell exists.

      • Airmantharp
      • 7 years ago

      I’m having a hard time finding a use for the Modern UI. Hell, I can’t even seem to keep it open to do it’s job while doing something else, and I have five monitors to throw at it. I won’t give up on it quickly but this is going to take some work.

      • cphite
      • 7 years ago

      I wasn’t impressed by it at all while using it… it’s not intuitive at all, and it just seems clunky and ill-thought out to me.

      One of the major annoyances, for me, was that things don’t work consistently. For example, to get to the Control Panel you drag your mouse off the right side of the screen. But, that doesn’t always work depending on what screen you happen to have open. For me, that’s an annoyance – I can imagine it being more than an annoyance for someone who isn’t used to using a computer.

      The whole thing seems forced and thrown together. I can see how it would work (after some getting used to) on a touch device, but for a keyboard and mouse setup I don’t see a single advantage to this interface. If anything, it’s a step backward in terms of functionality and efficiency – no matter what their goofy “research” tells them about mouse travel and whatnot.

    • ronch
    • 7 years ago

    I think Windows 7 looks prettier. Those flat colors remind me of pre-school books.

    • canoli
    • 7 years ago

    still no Folder Size column in Explorer right? (or whatever they’re calling Explorer now)

    • Neutronbeam
    • 7 years ago

    HEY EVERYONE –sorry to shout, but I may have missed this. You can go a windows 8 upgrade site, provide bogus information on a new laptop, and get Win 8 Pro for $14.99–then install ClassicShell for free to fix the tile interface. Microsoft sent me two codes for $14.99 and I used one and it worked fine.

    Also paid full price for one copy because I had not seen the email messages on the promotion codes.:-(

    $14.99 ain’t a bad deal whether you are Win 8 hater or not.

    EDIT–I may have missed this in the comments below and above but FYI this, ah, workaround works if you want to get Win 8 as inexpensively as possible.

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      especially for the 500000000 people running cracked versions of the OS. 15$ to be legit? if you don’t buy that then you ARE just interested in stealing.

        • NeelyCam
        • 7 years ago

        Providing “bogus information on a new laptop” to get a $15 “upgrade” IS stealing.

          • sweatshopking
          • 7 years ago

          that’s fair, it is absolutely. i have purchased systems since it started, but i also have 10 win 8 keys from msdn.

          • Neutronbeam
          • 7 years ago

          If you ARE paying the seller’s price for an item then how is that stealing? I now have an OS and MSFT has $14.99–that is called a legal sale. MSFT picked what it wanted to offer me and at what price and I agreed to its conditions.

          If MSFT hadn’t come up with the tile interface I would have paid $180 for an OEM version of Win 8 Pro no questions asked–because I have done that since 2001 without interruption.

            • Forge
            • 7 years ago

            The sale price is 15$ and the qualifying criteria, IE Windows 7-equipped machine since the upgrade announcement.

            You are providing one legit credential (15$) and one fraudulent one (BS previous purchase info), so the entire transaction is invalid from a legal sense.

            I spent 90$ yesterday and got 8 legitimate (with valid purchase) copies of Win8 Pro, plus the Media Center “upgrade” code is available for free for the time being. I got a dozen or so of the free MCE codes.

            I may even install Win8 some day.

            • nanoflower
            • 7 years ago

            You are correct that in a legal sense the transaction is invalid. However, I don’t think MSFT cares at this point. I heard that people are doing something similar by saying they are in India and getting charged $15 (apparently it’s cheaper there) as well as people upgrading from pirated versions of XP/Vista/Win7.

            MSFT could stop most of these methods easily if they wanted to do so. That’s because Microsoft wants Windows 8 to get widespread usage and the negative press (mostly over Metro or Modern UI) isn’t going to help their sales of the product. So letting people use less than legal methods to get an official version works in their favor as they may get these customers to start purchasing some products through the built-in store. If Microsoft decides they don’t like it they can implement geo-checks as well as checks on licenses and computer purchases before allowing a customer to upgrade. I suppose with some of their upgrade mechanisms they could also disable licenses later if they check and find something was wrong in the application, but I don’t think they will due to the outcry and negative press they would get from that (even if it was justified.)

            • Diplomacy42
            • 7 years ago

            so what you are saying is that because Microsoft lets you steal, its probably ok?

            That’s the kind of thinking that leads me to have to activate Arkham Asylam every time I open it… and the reason I’ve only played it twice, even though I think its a good game. Its what leads to stupid laws like sopa and DMCA that prevent people from making legitimate fair use copies of dvds and blu-rays.

            • Airmantharp
            • 7 years ago

            It’s morally wrong- but legally? I think it’s a little ambiguous, as with most MS license issues. Dig into the question a little deeper, and given rampant piracy, at least the copy itself is legal, and that’s saying something. That MS is allowing this workaround? That says something else; like they really really want people to get it.

            Windows 7 is just too good for them to be pushing Windows 8 this early; hell, all of this could have been as simple as a service pack for the new nuts and bolts, and an alternative UI not unlike Media Center.

            • nanoflower
            • 7 years ago

            Exactly. I never said it was okay to do it, as it isn’t. I was merely pointing out that there are multiple methods that they are providing that let people avoid buying the full cost release and each of those methods seems obvious and easily blocked so it’s possible Microsoft is allowing people to abuse these methods to get them converted over to Windows 8. I’m sure they really want to have good sales to report at the end of this quarter and this is one way to get it. That doesn’t mean that you should take advantage of the means or that it’s right to do so.

            • diable
            • 7 years ago

            Can you please stop trying to justify what you did. You supplied false information to complete the sale, simple as that. And Microsoft’s failure to close this loophole is not tacit agreement for what you did and you know it.

      • l33t-g4m3r
      • 7 years ago

      Not that simple. You have to provide a legit w7 key (unknown if invalidates), and MS may very well attempt to confirm your laptop purchase. They might verify your purchase date by verifying the date your Windows was activated. If it really was as simple as you said, I’d pickup a copy just to have even if I never used it, but it’s not. This OS isn’t even worth pirating though, so I’m probably not going to bother.

    • mcnabney
    • 7 years ago

    I start digging for my cleaning clothes when I get a single spot or smudge on my screen. The last thing I would ever do is smear my fingers on my display. I can barely tolerate the smudges on my Nexus 7, and I only use that for functions requiring touch (like tossing Angry Birds at green pigs). The idea of using touch in a productivity environment is idiotic.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 7 years ago

      Wow, you put on a whole new outfit when cleaning your screen? That’s some dedication.

    • BIF
    • 7 years ago

    Is anybody with the “real” version of 8 able to use IE10 to type comments in this article? I can’t do it with the RTM; have to use Firefox.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 7 years ago

      edit: nevermind, the following applies to the forum, not to the front page. Front page is working fine.

      I had to turn on compatibility view for TR (it’s done per-domain, so you click the torn paper icon while browsing TR to turn it on)

    • Unknown-Error
    • 7 years ago

    I take it Windows 8 has no retail versions? From what I understood, OEM license is tied to the motherboard and and if she goes crappers so is your license?

      • nanoflower
      • 7 years ago

      I’m not sure about that. I think technically it may be true but they do say the goal is to disable the OS on the old computer so if you are junking a MB there shouldn’t be any problem with installing the OS again. At worst you would have to call up Microsoft and explain what you are doing to get the system activated.

    • rhysl
    • 7 years ago

    Its $Windows 8 for $88 in New Zealand everywhere..

    • Pettytheft
    • 7 years ago

    After the first hour of rage and irritation I’ve decided that I like Windows 8. Took my 6 year old 10 minutes to understand the interface after watching me and it seems like my wife is going to be hopeless. I used the search box to launch apps with windows 7 anyway so I am no longer even missing the start menu. It’s the first major change in UI since Windows95. It’s 17 years of hard wiring that we have to change.

    • ew
    • 7 years ago

    I’ll wait for Windows 9 for $19.95.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 7 years ago

      *yawn* Wake me up when Windows is $0.50/version number.

    • jdaven
    • 7 years ago

    I see they didn’t bother with the typical $199 and $299, regular and professional retail boxes. No one would pay that much for anything windows 8.

      • Krogoth
      • 7 years ago

      MIcrosoft is copying Apple’s OS pricing model.

      They are hoping that they will make up the difference over time via micro-transactions with the app store.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 7 years ago

    That Pro “upgrade” appears to be the full version of Windows 8 Pro. I have the box in hand fresh from Best Buy (where it was the same price) and I can’t find a word on it that indicates it’s an upgrade license.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 7 years ago

      Just to follow through, I did a clean install from the $70 DVD I got at Best Buy and it activated itself. No need to upgrade.

        • MadManOriginal
        • 7 years ago

        Interesting, so no double install needed like with Vista or Win 7 Upgrade?

          • derFunkenstein
          • 7 years ago

          Right. Booted the DVD, entered my key, wiped my SSD, and away I went.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            i did that with a 7 upgrade disc too. i never understood the situation with upgrades.

            • MadManOriginal
            • 7 years ago

            I just always did the double install without even trying to activate before the second install. Did you guys have OSes on the drives you insalled onto, or were they empty?

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            ive done empty before

            • MadManOriginal
            • 7 years ago

            I’ve found varying stories on the interwebs about this.

            Here’s Thurrott’s take: [url<]http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows8/clean-install-windows-8-upgrade-media-144648[/url<] He says it activates straight away when installing off of 'upgrade media.' He doesn't make clear whether it was installed to a blank disk...you guys say it works, others say it doesn't. *shrug* Guess it's just a try and see thing...there are also registry hacks out there to force phone activation if you get a ...'this key can only be used for upgrading, not clean installations.' error message. *edit: some other experiences in this reddit thread: [url<]http://www.reddit.com/r/windows8/comments/124992/can_activate_windows_8/[/url<]

            • derFunkenstein
            • 7 years ago

            My windows 7 upgrade disc wouldn’t take the key unless I installed from within Windows. If I just booted off the upgrade disc and entered the key it would say it was invalid. I’d install without a key and then there’s a registry value to change to make Windows think it was an upgrade after hte fact. Then enter the upgrade key and it’d be a clean fresh install.

            • MadManOriginal
            • 7 years ago

            Yeah, that’s how Vista and Win 7 are. From this “Right. Booted the DVD, entered my key, wiped my SSD, and away I went.” I wonder if Win 8 Upgrade detected the OS on the SSD, since you wiped the SSD after booting the Upgrade media. SSK says he used a blank drive, others have said they need to do some sort of workaround with a blank disk. I just don’t know what to believe!

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            i only ever did it with 7. with 8, i have the full msdn RTM.

            • MadManOriginal
            • 7 years ago

            Well gee, thanks for posting something you did with Windows 7 in a WINDOWS 8 PRO UPGRADE thread. :p

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            I DID say it was 7 initially

            • MadManOriginal
            • 7 years ago

            Yup, and that post was just as meaningless for answering a question about Win 8. PWNED!

            (still <3 you, brah.)

            • Forge
            • 7 years ago

            Win8 upgrade will install clean. I booted the ISO and installed to a completely blank virtual machine. No issues.

            • tootercomputer
            • 7 years ago

            I looked everywhere to see if one could do a lean install from Win 8 upgrade, and found nothing. So that’s great info.

            I ended upgrading from Win 8 RC to Win 8 Pro using the $39 download from MS. I had a very lean install of Win 8 RC, so I didn’t mind upgrading, and it’s working well, no problems, and this is on a 120G SSD on a 4 yo C2D 2.00GHz Gateway laptop.

          • Forge
          • 7 years ago

          Correct. The double-install validation used with Win7 was pretty much universally hated, frequently worked around, and was removed. Win8 any media + Win8 “upgrade” key = full install, with no previous install needed.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 7 years ago

            That totally kills the incentive to buy OEM. lol

            Also, went the $40 route on my wife’s computer since I have one disc, and THAT key also will do a clean install from what I’ve read, too. But I’m doing an upgrade install on hers because she doesn’t want to mess with reinstalling stuff. I did a full backup just in case.

    • MadManOriginal
    • 7 years ago

    Here’s a Windows 8 deal of the week if I ever saw one: [url<]http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/pd/ASUS-VivoBook-X202E-Touchscreen/productID.257339400/vip.true[/url<]

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      WHY DON’T I HAVE 500$!?!?! THAT PRICE IS FRIGGIN GREAT!!

        • MadManOriginal
        • 7 years ago

        I looked around some and it’s a good price but not ‘great’…just the best on that particular piece of hardware. Newegg has it for $600 for example. BUT! It shows just how interesting things are becoming. An ‘ultraportable’ (read: ultrabook without an SSD) Win 8 laptop with touchscreen for $600? Yes please.

          • sweatshopking
          • 7 years ago

          i haven’t seen a non atom one for that price.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 7 years ago

            Yeah that’s pretty stupendous. If I was in the market for an ultraportable that’s where I’d start.

    • Bensam123
    • 7 years ago

    This isn’t really a deal of a week, rather a advertisement for W8 launch, isn’t it? Like none of the items suggested are really good ‘deals’, they’re just all items associated with W8.

      • Price0331
      • 7 years ago

      My thoughts too, this is just an an add, not so much some good deals. Off to find my own then,

      • cjava2
      • 7 years ago

      Yes, they get money if you purchase through the links in the article.

    • jensend
    • 7 years ago

    In other deal of the week news: Bubonic plague, only $40 over the Internet or $70 for physical media!

    • tootercomputer
    • 7 years ago

    You can download an update to Win 8 Pro for only $39 here, so it’s even cheaper:

    [url<]http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/buy[/url<] That's a pretty low price for an OS.

      • cjava2
      • 7 years ago

      But…but…you must buy via the affiliate links sprinkled strategically throughout this article! Because the writers always have OUR best interests in mind, right?

      Windows 8 Pro is only $15 if you bought a PC recently. Or in my case, about 5 computers. I grabbed a couple of copies.

      [url<]http://www.windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-US[/url<]

    • StuG
    • 7 years ago

    The minute they let met roll back to a regular start menu (without a 2nd party application), the minute they make a sale.

      • BIF
      • 7 years ago

      I can identify with this.

      I haven’t purchased mine yet; will probably wait for a few days and watch the fireworks, while waiting to see if the neighborhood is going to burn down.

        • thesmileman
        • 7 years ago

        Already tons of identical replacements for it. Actual Multiple Monitors works really well as well as the sourceforge classic shell mentioned below are great.

    • Chrispy_
    • 7 years ago

    No deal is going to make a windows 8 upgrade appealing, sorry.

    Windows 8 is great for those devices it comes with (i.e, those devices with touchscreens). It is not a desktop or laptop-friendly operating system. At best you’ll tolerate the quirks and maybe like a few of the tweaks, but of the few published articles I’ve read, even the most optimistic critics don’t recommend buying it for a non-touchscreen device.

    Personally, I hate it, having run it for several months now. I’m okay with the interface myself, and managed to find workarounds for some of the most annoying things (such as the Microsoft Store being more important in search results than the things you are searching for) but as a corporate sysadmin I can see wide-scale chaos on the horizon, and I actually hope W8 completely flops on the desktop so that they maybe find a better way to standardize the user experience across all devices (which is a good idea, in theory).

    • entropy13
    • 7 years ago

    Newegg (CA): [url<]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188120[/url<] ($93, save $255) Newegg (US): [url<]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188122[/url<] ($180, save $220)

      • entropy13
      • 7 years ago

      LOL the Z77 is no longer “save $255” but the X79 still is “save $220”

      • Forge
      • 7 years ago

      Crud. I could have really used that Z77. Maybe next time.

    • knightsy
    • 7 years ago

    If I run the upgrade assistant download on the microsoft store will it give me an option to install as dual boot, or do I have to go over the top?

    • xxxSakurachanxxx
    • 7 years ago
      • BIF
      • 7 years ago

      There are some very good reasons.

      • ALiLPinkMonster
      • 7 years ago

      for the lolz.

      • cjava2
      • 7 years ago

      It’s actually a great OS. I HATED Windows 8 in the beginning, but after a few days I loved it.

      The first thing I did was unpin ALL the metro apps. They’re useless.

      The Explorer shell has been revamped and better than ever. For example, there are now checkboxes you can toggle in the files list. As well as options to open up a command prompt, admin command prompt, powershell, etc in the current directory.

      Windows Key brings up the apps, you start typing the name of the app.

      Windows Key + W brings up settings, you type the name of the setting your want.

      Windows Key + X brings up a nice jump menu to go to Control Panel, command prompt, etc.

      There’s a hybrid hibernate/shutdown mode. My computer shuts off in 3 seconds (with SSD). Bootup is like 5 seconds.

      You know how Windows 7 feels like a leaner version of Vista? Windows 8 feels like a leaner version of Windows 7.

        • Bensam123
        • 7 years ago

        You can setup checkboxes in Windows 7, it’s for mobility use. Shift click in Windows 7 brings up a host of what you just suggested as a alternaive menu

        The start menu search box in Windows 7 does that without a intrusive interface.

        I don’t know the hotkey for the above, but I’m almost 100% certain they exist in W7.

        W7 has a hybrid hibernate shutdown mode as well.

        You aren’t really convincing me to convert to W7… it still just sounds like W7 with a terrible gui on top.

          • Meadows
          • 7 years ago

          Winkey+W and Winkey+X do not exist in W7 and therefore I assume they never had a function in any prior versions, either.

            • Bensam123
            • 7 years ago

            I didn’t mean that specific key combination, but rather there are shortcuts to get to the same thing.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            win 7’s startup and hybrid hiber are not the same, nor are they as fast. win 7 uses more power, takes 15 times longer to connect to wifi, and runs slower. if you don’t like 8’s ui, don’t buy it. But as far as an OS upgrade goes, for 40$, it has a heck of a lot.

            • Meadows
            • 7 years ago

            For gaming however, it’s unacceptable. According to a shortbread-linked review the location of which I don’t remember, W8’s gaming performance is – at best – the same as that of W7, but in certain fast-framerate titles (like Starcraft 2 or Left 4 Dead 2) it can be as low as 85% of that of W7.

            I’m sure it uses 2 watts less, I’m sure it connects faster to wireless networks I never even use, I’m even sure the task manager and Explorer are improved, and the desktop environment is streamlined (despite the vomit-inducing removal of Aero glass), but the gaming results are unacceptable.

            And this is why W8 will be the first operating system from Microsoft that I will [i<]refuse to even try[/i<]. (Yes, it's the first. I even tried Windows ME and never had "deal-breaker" issues with it at the time.)

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            is that a windows issue, or a driver issue?

            • Stargazer
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]For gaming however, it's unacceptable. According to a shortbread-linked review the location of which I don't remember, W8's gaming performance is - at best - the same as that of W7, but in certain fast-framerate titles (like Starcraft 2 or Left 4 Dead 2) it can be as low as 85% of that of W7.[/quote<] [quote<]And this is why W8 will be the first operating system from Microsoft that I will refuse to even try. (Yes, it's the first. I even tried Windows ME and never had "deal-breaker" issues with it at the time.)[/quote<] There were games that wouldn't even run properly on Windows ME. Compared to that, I don't think that a few games running a bit slower ranks very high on the deal-breaker scale. Of course, if none of the games you were playing at the time had any issues in ME, and if you play a lot of Starcraft 2 now, the the drop in frame rate will seem more significant. Anyway, don't you think you're being a bit premature? Sure, some games are running slower now on launch day, but isn't it possible that things will improve during the near future? Would you still refuse to try W8 if the slowdown in certain games becomes a non-issue?

            • Stargazer
            • 7 years ago

            Wait… Is this the review you’re thinking of?
            [url<]http://www.ocaholic.ch/xoops/html/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=903&page=0[/url<] It seems to roughly match your description. There are 15 games being tested. 10 of those show a difference <1%. Borderlands 2 shows as being 1.07% slower on Win 8. Those are all roughly similar on both OSs. Then we have 3 games that run noticeably slower on Win 8. DoW2 (-9.84%), Starcraft 2 (-10.24%) and Left 4 Dead 2 (-14.78%). That matches "as low as 85% of that of W7". The only thing that doesn't quite match is your claim that W8 is "at best the same" as W7, since Skyrim actually shows as being 7.45% faster on Win 8. *If* that is the review you are thinking of, I would be careful to draw any serious conclusions based on only that information. First of all, and most importantly, they seem to be running the test on really old drivers - Catalyst 12.8 from the end of *July*. Seeing as AMD didn't classify their drivers as “compatible with Windows 8” until Catalyst 12.10, I wouldn't be so sure that those results are necessarily representative of what you'd actually get with drivers intended for Windows 8. Second, both Starcraft 2 and Left 4 Dead 2 still end up with *really* high frame rates. SC2 drops from 167 FPS to 150 FPS, and L4D2 drops from 283 FPS to 241 FPS. I'd say that both those games end up with pretty decent frame rates for both OSs. Sure, if the difference also extends to lower performance hardware it might be more of an issue, but there's no way to tell if that is the case based on that review (it's only looking at one particular hardware configuration). I'd personally be a bit more concerned about DoW2, which drops from 84 FPS to 75 FPS, but then we also have Skyrim which improves from 96 FPS to 103 FPS.

            • moose17145
            • 7 years ago

            Winkey+X does actually exist in W7. It brings up the mobility center.

          • rrr
          • 7 years ago

          I agree, there is very little reason to go from 7 to 8, unless one is a sucker for shiniest newest things and not actual productivity. MS is shoving touch screen based UI down PC users without addressing, how it is needed (mainly because it’s not).

        • Meadows
        • 7 years ago

        Checkboxes have been there forever, you were just too much of a newbie to know how to enable them. I’m serious.

        • sschaem
        • 7 years ago

        Yes , there is a few improvement. but the killer part is that even so you can unpin app but you cant remove metro.

        The full screen flash drove me crazy, and I wasn’t able to find a start menu replacement from a third party that was a true replacement for what MS disabled. After about 6 month I de-installed.

        Going from 8 to 7 felt like a major upgrade. I didn’t miss the minor tweaks, and on my machine the perf difference where no measurable.

        If the upgrade was only the shell for $19.95 I would probably get it.
        But not being able to disable Metro and loosing the start functionality is a deal killer.

        • tootercomputer
        • 7 years ago

        Lean version of Windows 7. I kind of like that characterization. I don’t totally agree, as there are some significant differences, too, but it does feel leaner and more refined than Win 7, which was such a significant leap from Vista. Most obvious positive to Win 8 from the start is how fast it boots. No comparison to Win 7, Win 8 is so much faster.

      • Krogoth
      • 7 years ago

      Unless you are on XP or 9x.

      That’s little reason to get Windows 8. It shares the same codebase as Vista/7.

      Most of the “changes” revolve around the app store.

      Windows 8 in a nutshell.

      Microsoft: “Micro-transactions!, “Micro-transactions!, “Micro-transactions!, “Micro-transactions!”

        • Ifalna
        • 7 years ago

        Aye. I have the MSDNAA version of Win8 here, but I won’t use it. I see no point since I can’t use Storage spaces (the only thing I’d find even remotely interesting) due to me only having 1 2TB drive.
        Who honestly gives a damn whether it boots 3 seconds faster? oO

          • sschaem
          • 7 years ago

          Faster boot, faster anything is cool. I dont want MS to stop cleanup their code base…
          But I agree its not a compelling feature for upgrades, and doesn’t offset the loss of functionality.

          Windows8 is for the person that hate using a compute and just want to turn the thing on, check their friend page, do some email, maybe play a little angry bird, and turn the computer off.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 7 years ago

      I will be getting a copy some time to replace WHS v1. With Spaces it’s the closest MS will have to Drive Extender in a non-enterprise product…I don’t feel like learning Linux.

        • Forge
        • 7 years ago

        I have an app called Drive Bender running on a Windows 2008 R2 machine. It can be a very close approximation of DE or a full RAID5/6 subsystem, depending on how you config. I’m not endorsing it as such, as I think it’s a bit expensive, but there are many options out there.

          • MadManOriginal
          • 7 years ago

          Yeah I was aware of some plugins and alternatives. I am not about to pay for a ‘real’ server license though, and the Server 2003 basis for WHS is getting pretty crusty anyway so I think Win 8 Pro will work well. I’ll just have to set up a different backup system, imo that’s easier to do than the drive extender options.

      • Grape Flavor
      • 7 years ago

      Because they’re not ignorant and reactionary? Some people aren’t terrified of change.

        • Krogoth
        • 7 years ago

        Windows 8
        Change

        Pick one.

      • indeego
      • 7 years ago

      3 years more support than 7.

      • albundy
      • 7 years ago

      probably because pirates think it sucks so bad that it’s not worth pirating.

        • phez
        • 7 years ago

        boom, headshot

      • Forge
      • 7 years ago

      It’s called “hedging one’s bets”.

      Windows 8 may yet become worth having. 90$ for 6 full licenses was a price I was willing to pay, just to see.

      Also, I’m going to see if Windows 8 Pro OEM has downgrade rights. Further hedging.

      • funko
      • 7 years ago

      I’m bored of win7. and $40 is throw away money.

        • l33t-g4m3r
        • 7 years ago

        In that case, throw $40 my way.

      • diable
      • 7 years ago

      Because not everyone thinks like you

    • yogibbear
    • 7 years ago

    *Waits patiently for SP1*

      • BIF
      • 7 years ago

      It’s likely not very buggy.

      The points of contention that I have with it are differences in opinion over design and UI usability, not bugs. Hence, SP1 is not likely to fix what I find wrong with it.

        • sweatshopking
        • 7 years ago

        it isn’t really. some quirks with some of the metro apps, but the desktop is at least as reliable as 7.

    • Disco
    • 7 years ago

    XFX Radeon 7970 on sale for $340 CDN (regular $430), including the three games mentioned in the early TR posting (Far Cry 3, Sleeping Dogs, Hitman Absolution) plus an XFX t-shirt.Price includes a $30 mail in rebate.

    [url<]http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=67172&vpn=FX797ATDFC&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1296[/url<] I just bought one!!

    • Bauxite
    • 7 years ago

    So after you boot up your new windows 8 system, and start to get pissed off (pun intended) go here:

    [url<]http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/[/url<] You can thank me later.

      • indeego
      • 7 years ago

      Using it now and haven’t been pissed off other than being forced to use my live account info instead of local account password. Minor.

      Liking it a lot so far.

        • Deanjo
        • 7 years ago

        Did you select the wrong option on install that you were forced to use your live account instead of a local account?

          • derFunkenstein
          • 7 years ago

          Yeah, that’s definitely not something you HAVE to do, only if you enter an email address instead of pick the option for a local-only account.

          • indeego
          • 7 years ago

          When using the live account, there was no indication that I would be forced to use that particular password and login [b<]every time[/b<], until it was too late in the process. Minor annoyance, because my live login is randomly picked by keepass, so I didn't know it off the top of my head.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            you can migrate to a local account post setup, just go to user accounts and you can make the trade. takes 2 seconds.

            if you want to auto login, netplwiz can take care of that for you.

            • indeego
            • 7 years ago

            Hilarious. Lost access to my entire videos folder. I can see the videos, have full access, but now neither windows media player nor MPC can play anything within the folders.

            Rolled back to local account. SIDs listed for security when using live account, so I had no idea permissions without referring to registry. Obvious bug is obvious.

            Less and less confidence with this OS as time goes on. RECENT ITEMS. Just make it available. 60% of “metro” is just in my face/annoying now the more I play with it.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            the situation with ownership of files IS THE MOST ANNOYING THING ABOUT 8. seriously. you have to take control of everything. i never thought it would mess up your library. seems like a stupid move on their part. you can take ownership of everything, but why do they make you? it should do it on it’s own.

            • MadManOriginal
            • 7 years ago

            That’s why I don’t use libraries. Programs always have a way to point to directories anyway so *shrug*

            • l33t-g4m3r
            • 7 years ago

            Careful, admitting a problem is the first step to overcoming fanboyism.

      • ModernPrimitive
      • 7 years ago

      Thanks. I’ve only messed with the RC a bit so far. Installed it for a friend. I was very pissed off trying to figure out how to shut down the computer. Not only has Microsoft got their head up their ass…. the head has passed the spincter muscle several times in the same direction of travel…..
      Call me an eye candy whore, but the blandness of it is a bit of a turn off too. I think Puff The Magic Dragon or Barney The Purple Dinosaur was on the design team…

      Edit: I downloaded my $15 upgrade version last night and will install this evening….maybe… lol

    • drfish
    • 7 years ago

    NewEgg’s pre-order was a pretty decent deal, got a few OEM copies of Pro for $110 each after a $30 coupon code (for work and personal use).

      • JustAnEngineer
      • 7 years ago

      I ordered one, too. The $30 off coupon made the OEM version very attractive.

      • Forge
      • 7 years ago

      Here’s a fun trick: Download and run the Windows 8 Upgrade Advisor. Let it tell you that you can upgrade to Win 8.

      Pay 40$ when prompted, unless you have one of the 25$ off upgrade vouchers. Simply close the Upgrade tool when it starts downloading (if you have ISOs already), or close the Upgrade tool after it spits out an ISO or USB installer.

      Yes, 40$ for Win 8 Pro upgrade, no special tricks or fraud required.

    • [+Duracell-]
    • 7 years ago

    If you live near a Microcenter, you can get the Windows 8 Pro upgrade for $38.88 in-store.

      • thesmileman
      • 7 years ago

      I preordered got it this am at Microcenter in Dallas and they said they had 500 copies and had almost 1000 preorders so I don’t think they will have extras today or tomorrow.

      • phileasfogg
      • 7 years ago

      that’s a terrific price. There’s a huge pricing discrepancy between NewEgg, Fry’s (both sell the upgrade box for $69) and MicroCenter, which as you said, sells for $39. I wonder why?? Can’t MSFT set the pricing to be consistent everywhere?

        • thesmileman
        • 7 years ago

        MC sells one or two things at cost. They often give iPads a $50 discount which you will rarely find anywhere. Frys does much better on the amount of low cost items but MC occasionally has one or two like this that are great deals. They had a 60GB SSD vertex 3 for $29 last week.

    • danny e.
    • 7 years ago

    what’s right below “meh” ?

      • Pagey
      • 7 years ago

      “This = year of Linux on teh desktop!!!” ?

        • BIF
        • 7 years ago

        Pagey said it, “teh” is right below “meh”.

        😀

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