Thursday Shortbread

Three’s Company

  1. Donanim Haber: AMD desktop roadmap leaked (in Turkish)
  2. VR-Zone: LG releases UltraWide 2560X1080 29″ IPS monitor
  3. The Verge’s exclusive: Microsoft Office for iPhone, iPad, and Android revealed


Thursday

  1. Mashable: Apple gets patents for iPad’s rectangle, curved corners design
  2. VR-Zone: More than a third of IT to be cloud-based by 2015 and

    Spiffy Marshal USB analog meter display’s PC’s internal information

  3. PC Perspective podcast #226
  4. Website du jour: Jam with Chrome
  5. Dealzon’s deals: $215 off 15.6″ Dell Latitude E5520 i5-2520M, $250 off

    15.6″ Asus K55A i5-3210M, $150 off 15.6″ Toshiba Satellite C855D

    AMD E-300, and $40 coupon 480GB SanDisk Extreme 2.5″ SSD

Mobile

  1. Hardware Heaven’s 7″ Amazon Kindle Fire HD review

Software and gaming

  1. Phoronix: Benchmarking Nvidia’s R310 Linux driver improvements
  2. Fudzilla: Xbox 360 Borderlands 2 data loss issue fixed

Systems and storage

  1. Hardware.Info’s 13″ Apple MacBook Pro Retina review
  2. TweakTown reviews Gigabyte Z77X-UP7
  3. APH Networks on Kingston HyperX PnP KHX16S9P1K2/16 memory kit
  4. HCW reviews 240GB Kingston HyperX 3K SSD
  5. ThinkComputers reviews 240GB Mushkin Chronos Deluxe SSD

Multimedia, power, cases & cooling

  1. PureOC reviews HIS HD 7950 IceQ X2
  2. HotHardware reviews Gigabyte Osmium keyboard
  3. NikKTech reviews Mad Catz S.T.R.I.K.E. 7 keyboard
  4. Hardware Secrets reviews 850W Kingwin Power Force PSU
  5. OCC reviews Antec Three Hundred Two case
  6. Legit Reviews on Thermaltake Armor Revo Gene case
  7. Hardware Canucks review BitFenix Prodigy case
  8. HTL reviews Zalman CNPS9900DF CPU cooler
Comments closed
    • anotherengineer
    • 7 years ago

    Radeon 7890 it is
    [url<]http://www.techpowerup.com/175158/AMD-quot-Tahiti-LE-quot-Brand-Named-Radeon-HD-7890.html[/url<]

      • vargis14
      • 7 years ago

      I still think it should have been called a 7930 since it is based on 7900 series die and not a 7800 series die.

    • Scrotos
    • 7 years ago

    So that 29″ monitor is basically 2 1280×1024 displays melded together? Ugh.

      • lilbuddhaman
      • 7 years ago

      3xPortrait mode

      schwing!

      • Deanjo
      • 7 years ago

      What I do like about it is the ultra thin edge bezels. Why the hell can’t all manufacturers offer displays with bezels like that?

      Edit: Bah…. edge to edge glass, not screen. disregard my above praise. Just saw the picture with it in use.

      • anotherengineer
      • 7 years ago

      Indeed

      LG where is my 24″ 3840×2400 OLED monitor?????????

      🙁

      • Arag0n
      • 7 years ago

      Using windows 8 it means 450 pixels for a snapped app and ~1024pixels for 2 apps side to side. It looks like a pretty good single monitor multitasking environment to me.

      Snapped IM (Skype, mostly)
      Left Browser
      Right Current task.

      • vargis14
      • 7 years ago

      2560×1080 hate to say it but i love it……would make the perfect center screen for a surround gaming setup…..also the best for multimedia.

      Would even be fantastic for a single screen FPS or racing game giving you some peripheral vision without the need for extra side monitors.

    • xeridea
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]Mashable: Apple gets patents for iPad's rectangle, curved corners design[/quote<] Holy crap, apple is the most evil company ever. What shape do they want their competitors to use? 3" thick triangles with star shaped corners? Hasn't nearly every phone or electronic device ever made been rectangular with rounded corners? They claim to "suffer" damages from competition, and they laugh all the way to the bank (They have $100,000,000,000 they don't know what to do with). Apple doesn't suffer damages from competition using similar devices (on the basic level, shape, for example), but they absolutely hate competition of any kind, and must squash it like a bug by abusing the asinine patent system that also needs to burn. Perhaps they should be more worried about their utter garbage of a maps app, and making all of their customers angry. Apple HQ needs to burn down in flames.

      • dpaus
      • 7 years ago

      [quote<] Apple HQ needs to burn down in flames[/quote<] Like SkyNet, it's already too distributed for a single strike to take it out. You'd have to simultaneously hit all 8 design centres, 12 distribution warehouses, 167 manufacturing facilities, 348 Apple stores, and over 15,000 Starbucks. The only option is a fierce, sustained underground resistance movement.

      • Deanjo
      • 7 years ago

      Ahhh misguided hatred. Hate the system that allows such patents to even exist.

        • xeridea
        • 7 years ago

        I also mentioned the “asinine patent system that also needs to burn”. The U.S. patent system is a total joke that has a 2 purposes are making patent lawyers rich, and rich companies richer. The hate is not misguided, it is obvious that Apple hates competition with a passion, Jobs vowed to spend $40 Billion to kill Android. Apple doesn’t believe that anyone else is capable of inventing anything at all, and to prove it, they must have tens of thousands of bogus patents. At least S Korea got it right, ban both companies tablets.

          • Deanjo
          • 7 years ago

          Virtually every manufacturer out there has asinine patents like these. It is nothing exclusive to Apple. The real problem is the acceptance of patents like these. The manufacturer are just doing what the patent system allows because if they don’t someone else will patent it anyways.

            • Sam125
            • 7 years ago

            Doesn’t the patent office just award patents at will and have the courts invalidate the dubious ones?

            The problem here is that Apple has apparently found a way to game the court system by manipulating the constitution of the judge and jury. If the patents for the obviously terrible patents aren’t overturned, then patent trolling will likely become a huge problem.

            That’s the problem, not the asinine patents.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]Doesn't the patent office just award patents at will and have the courts invalidate the dubious ones?[/quote<] No, the patent office has to approve the patent based on the criteria of what is acceptable to patent. It is up to the courts to overturn the patent office's decision of granting a patent and nullifying it. The criteria of the patent office to grant a patent is in layman's terms: a) study of the patent application for compliance with all legal requirements b) prior art search through United States patents, foreign patent documents, and available literature, to see if the claimed invention is new, useful and nonobvious (yes the last part was cut and pasted but it describes what the patent office does).

            • Sam125
            • 7 years ago

            Yes, thank you for the information. That still doesn’t change the fact that Apple’s lawyers think they’re smart enough to manipulate the courts and get away with it.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            They don’t have to manipulate the courts. When it goes to court, the plaintiff argues that the defendant infringed on their granted patent, the defense usually tries to argue that the patent should not have been granted in the first place. Had the patent system and office done their due diligence and rejected the patent in the first place based on their own criteria, the case would not even reach the courts. Apple taking them to court is EXACTLY what patent law was created for. To protect the inventors creation to make sure that they get compensation for use of their patent.

            • Sam125
            • 7 years ago

            Except Apple apparently did manipulate the courts and that’s what has everyone so uppity about the ruling.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            They haven’t manipulated the courts. They played by the rules of the court and used it to their advantage.

            The only way to stop the abuse of the courts, is to change the criteria of being able to use them and the only way to stop the abuse of patents is to change the way and criteria that they are issued.

            Treat the disease, not the side effect.

            • MadManOriginal
            • 7 years ago

            It’s not ‘just the game’ so to speak because no other company is going to the level of douchebaggery of Apple.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            There is a tonne of douchebaggery out there, it’s just that Apple draws readers for and against and get publicized more.

            It’s just like when the president gets a bj, it makes national news for weeks meanwhile millions of others are getting those same hummers but nothing is reported about it.

            • anotherengineer
            • 7 years ago

            But that doesn’t stop me from making a rectangle with rounded corners now does it.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            This patent doesn’t prevent you from using them as well. It prevents you from coming out with bootleg version of your own.

            • Sam125
            • 7 years ago

            So you think involving a judge’s race and playing to the ambitions of a greedy inventor as playing by the rules? I’d have to disagree. 😉 Anyways, the first trial will likely be considered a mistrial and go to court again.

            Also, the reason why the courts have to act as a patent filter is due to the lack of examiners at the patent office. Just saying that the patent system needs reform isn’t sufficient as the USPO would need to simplify the system to the point where the majority of existing patents would be invalidated or to try to hire many more patent examiners with expertise in the field that they’re examining. Either way, it’s a very expensive proposition to be sure.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            No one says it is cheap or easy but yes the USPO has to do both. Tighter restrictions on patents criteria (such as a working prototype), if granted, used within 5 years, if not, then becomes public domain. Most of those patents should not be in the system so tightening the criteria that throws out most of them is a GOOD thing. Another thing is that the US has to get a true political system that is not entirely backed by wall street.

            • MadManOriginal
            • 7 years ago

            How you can say that in one post and then defend Apple’s ridiculous actions in others mystifies me. ‘Other companies do it’ – which I haven’t read that they do and even though you provided no good evidence of anything near the idiocy of ’rounded rectangles’ – is an excuse for 6 year olds on the playground, not grownups. I mean, I know you’re biased but damn man, your position is as fluid and changing as Romney’s.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]How you can say that in one post and then defend Apple's ridiculous actions in others mystifies me. [/quote<] It's as simple as this, throw a piece of steak in front of a dog and it will eat it. So how to you stop the dog from eating the steak..... DON'T PUT THE DAMN STEAK IN AN AREA WHERE THE DOG CAN GET AT IT! I don't like any patents, no matters who they are but I am also a realist if the laws allow it, then expect it to happen and I can't fault anyone for taking advantage of a system that allows and was designed to promote those actions.

            • xeridea
            • 7 years ago

            The laws weren’t meant to promote these actions, they were meant to protect peoples actual inventions. The vast majority of Apple patents are completely bogus, and they just simply abuse the system to its fullest.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            If they are completely bogus then they should not be approved in the first place now should they? Again, fix the system so they cannot be patented in the first place. You cannot “protect an invention” if you have no legal recourse to enforce that protection. Without the courts to enforce, the patent system has absolutely no use.

      • Scrotos
      • 7 years ago

      In all fairness, read the promoted comment at the bottom of this article:

      [url<]http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/11/apple-awarded-design-patent-for-actual-rounded-rectangle/[/url<]

        • Sam125
        • 7 years ago

        Regardless of whether a “design” patent is narrow or not, it pretty clearly violates the non-obvious part of a patent clause, unless there are very specific distinguishing “designs” that make the patent non-obvious. The curvature of the corners, the slope of the backplate, placement of essential buttons would all need to be specified, otherwise patenting generic shapes is ridiculous.

        • xeridea
        • 7 years ago

        The patent is extremely vague, and they are wanting to ban all devices that look even remotely similar. The shape is not distinctive at all, that’s just how everything looks. Calculators looked similar 30 years ago. One of the phones they want banned isn’t even rectangular, the top and bottom are not flat at all, but completely rounded.

      • grantmeaname
      • 7 years ago

      I doubt they really have a hundred trillion dollars. That’s 8 times the size of the value of all the companies listed on the NYSE.

        • anotherengineer
        • 7 years ago

        looks like 100 billion to me, unless I can’t count.
        1 000 000 =1 mill
        100 000 000 = 100 mill
        1 000 000 000 = 1 bil
        100 000 000 000 = 100 bil

        or am I wrong?

        • xeridea
        • 7 years ago

        I said billions.
        100,000,000,000
        100 000 000 000
        Billion million, thousand, unit

      • rrr
      • 7 years ago

      EU should take a look at Apple and slap them with some fines or withdraw their products from EU market. That would be fun.

      • vargis14
      • 7 years ago

      Unbelievable……..what is the patent department thinking…..or getting paid more like. I feel it should have been instantly denied. I like Apple products but this is outrageous. I do not think steve jobs would have even tried to do that.
      There is a line you just do not cross and i feel apple crossed it right there….Its like they patented the sheet of paper.

      • Flatland_Spider
      • 7 years ago

      [quote<]Holy crap, apple is the most evil company ever.[/quote<] Larry Ellison would be very offended if he heard you say that.

    • chuckula
    • 7 years ago

    A rather in-depth counterpoint to the Apple-going-Full-ARM buzz: [url<]http://seekingalpha.com/article/980761-apple-dumping-intel-in-the-macbook-don-t-believe-this-bogus-rumor[/url<] I thought the comparison of power draw between the Exynos A-15 in the Chromebook compared to the low-power Haswell part running the Unigine Heaven demo (they both use ~8 watts) was a very insightful point about the actual power efficiency of these architectures.

      • sschaem
      • 7 years ago

      The core issue is not even power/performance.
      Even if apple could design an APU that could be twice faster then Intel chips and use the same power… what good is an ARM OSX PC with no software to run on it ?

      “Show me the photoshop benchnark”… “This mac doesn’t run photoshop”

      So Apple also need to convince the entire software ‘desktop’ industry. And for what tangible benefit?

      • nico1982
      • 7 years ago

      Wasn’t the 8W figure for Haswell just for the CPU, though? The chromebook power consumption, even with the screen shut down, does include more than the SOC, which is a 4W part.

      The comparison is still apple vs orange anyway – other than keeping cost out of the equation. Haswell is geared to achieve the maximum performance with the lowest power consumption. The A15 is designed to achieve the highest performance in the lowest possible power envelope. It sound silly , but is a huge difference.
      Even if Intel will likely end up on top due to its process advantage – as a minimum – a 180mm^2 8W arm SOC would be quite a different beast than an A15.

        • chuckula
        • 7 years ago

        8 Watts was for the CPU + GPU + Chipset (which is in an MCM in Haswell) with all three likely getting a workout in Unigine Heaven. The Chromebook is just a SoC + memory + a small SSD, and the 8 watt figure is expressly measured with the display deactivated so the LCD power draw is minimal.

        So let’s be very very generous to the Chromebook and say that the non-SoC components use 2 watts. So you have 6 watts of measured power usage in the Exynos SoC in a web benchmark that is likely *not* taxing the GPU at 100% power vs. a Haswell SoC at 8 watts measured running one of the most computationally and graphically intensive benchmarks there is. I guarantee that both cores and the full GPU were lit up in the Heaven demo, while I can’t guarantee that the whole Exynos SoC was being railed in a web benchmark (Kraken).

    • yogibbear
    • 7 years ago

    Gaming: GTA V PC version…. where art thou?

      • indeego
      • 7 years ago

      A year or so “behind” like all the other versions.

        • Deanjo
        • 7 years ago

        Not true, the first one debuted on the PC.

          • lilbuddhaman
          • 7 years ago

          No one implies GTA or GTA2 when they’re talking about GTA. They were neat games but GTA3 was genre-defining. I see the PC version coming 6-9mo after the console ones. Hopefully with all DLC’s as one package.

    • codedivine
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]Donanim Haber: AMD desktop roadmap leaked (in Turkish) [/quote<] That is some bad news there. Vishera to continue to be the desktop lead in 2013, and no Kaveri APU in sight either.

      • Sam125
      • 7 years ago

      The AMD roadmap in Turkish doesn’t list it, but there’s supposed to be a Vishera Gen. 2 coming out next year. It might have some architectural improvements but I’d bet the largest improvement will be in the form of a process shrink as the current Vishera would really benefit from a smaller process.

      • sschaem
      • 7 years ago

      All data point to piledrive to be AMD last x86 processor in the server market.
      Cray is moving away from AMD (The main reason BD was conceived)
      AMD had 5.5% of the server market in 2011, expect to be <3% in 2012, and be gone by the end of 2013.

      That mean AMD APU will now be based on Jaguar and only cover the low end.. untill they make the full ARM transition. At this stage AMD wont be a CPU company anymore.

      Loosing 90% of its CPU business revenue by the end of 2013 currently put them into bankruptcy mode unless they cut the workforce by about 50% on top of the current 15%.

        • anotherengineer
        • 7 years ago

        Wow a fortune teller.

        Can I borrow your crystal ball please?

          • dpaus
          • 7 years ago

          You’d hold it wrong.

            • anotherengineer
            • 7 years ago

            Ya, I’d probably think it was just a big marble and give it to my kids 🙂

            • dpaus
            • 7 years ago

            You could give it to SSK; he’d think it’s one of his missing balls.

          • sschaem
          • 7 years ago

          a) AMD dismissed its Linux team. Closing all CPU related jobs in Dresden
          b) Cray next generation product are all Intel and as no plan to use AMD
          c) AMD latest roadmap show no work done on the bulldozer architecture
          d) AMD server maket share droped to 5.5% in 2011 and off a cliff in 2012
          it is not a profitable market for AMD anymore. Same as the workstation market.
          e) In 2014 AMD will offer ARM based server processors
          f) jaguar will replace x86 core in APU as you will see a performance crossover.

          What data do you have that AMD will release any new incarnation of bulldozer?

          AMD x86 Opteron on the low end are going to be eaten alive by ARM,
          and AMD got no chance to capture any of the high end market anymore.

          Piledriver is the last incarnation.

          Expect AMD to focus on moving Jaguar to mainstream APU and focus on ARM for its server (super micro) business.

          If you have data / fact showing otherwise, please share.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]AMD x86 Opteron on the low end are going to be eaten alive by ARM,[/quote<] That is far to broad of a market to assume that. ARM isn't any good so far for servers such as running terminal services or virtualization.

            • xeridea
            • 7 years ago

            Have you not seen the roadmaps with Steamroller and Excavator and talks in general about changes for Steamroller? There was a recent one that had details on what changes they were planning. The latest roadmap only has till 2012, which is barely over a year from now, and the recently released Piledriver based chips. This is probably just them not being overly optimistic on timeframes so they can make sure and deliver a solid refresh.

            • Deanjo
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<] This is probably just them not being overly optimistic on timeframes so they can make sure and deliver a solid refresh.[/quote<] Given AMD's history of actually being able to meet roadmaps this is probably a "best case" scenario roadmap like all the others have been. Real life AMD roadmaps usually multiplied by 1.75 to get a realistic release schedule and it is only going to get harder as they keep cutting back more and more.

            • sschaem
            • 7 years ago

            If you believe Steamroller will be released in 2014, based on the disclosed performance talk, it will be a noncompetitive product. AMD claimed in august a 15% improvement over piledriver.
            Steamroller release today would be an non competitive product… just imagine in 18 month.

            By 2014 AMD server business as we know it will be entirely replaced by seamicro.
            (My crystal ball never lies)

            • xeridea
            • 7 years ago

            Depends on how “competitive” is defined. They already know its not going to be totally competitive with Intel, but it won’t be a bad product. It will probably be similar to PD where its a decent performing chip, and can beat Intel in heavily threaded apps, but it will use more power. The 8350 beats the 3770k in many threaded apps, a chip that is well over $100 more, but it uses more power, and isn’t as good in single theaded, though its not terrible. Also, the server market leans more towards multi core than single core performance.

            Steamroller release today would dominate Intel on performance. Single threaded would be a lot closer, and multi-threaded wouldn’t even be fair. You don’t have to be totally dominate to be competitive.

            • Ringofett
            • 7 years ago

            He says his crystal ball doesn’t lie, idk, but markets do not lie. Markets give AMD single-digit server marketshare, and shrinking. If it was competitive, that wouldn’t be the case. If it was supply-constrained and facing huge shortages, it could probably jack up prices a bit, and yet I only ever see news of price cuts, from levels already discounted compared to Intel. Those market share numbers are simply the reality we live in.

            • anotherengineer
            • 7 years ago

            your own words

            “by the end of 2013 currently put them into bankruptcy mode”

            Do you believe the current data and your assumptions will make this valid?

            They do have a GPU division and a ton of IP, which they could license or sell off delaying your 2013 bankruptcy prediction.

            If they were to claim bankruptcy, Intel themselves could possibly bail them out to avoid going to the courts for a monopoly and end up giving up their hold on the x86 IP or getting broken up like standard oil back in the day.

            However I don’t have a crystal ball so therefore I don’t spread rumors or make predictions about the future, except one day we will all grow old and eventually kick the bucket.

            There are a lot of companies that barely scrape through tough times, and the ones that do can make a come back. Anything is possible.

            • Ringofett
            • 7 years ago

            In the same vein as my above post, don’t need a crystal ball, just their balance sheet and cash flow statements to see they’re heading to bankruptcy at maximum warp.

            On the other hand, you’re right; I can’t see AMD being *allowed* to utterly fail. One way or another, a way would be found to keep Intel from having an unchallenged monopoly. Also right about Intel having an incentive to not destroy AMD. I could see, if it went to courts, Intel being broken up the way AMD and GF was, with Intel’s fabs being forced to not lock up with Intel. That’d take away Intel’s #1 advantage, and I can’t see Intel wanting that to happen.

            So he’s right, they’re heading unavoidably to bankruptcy, but fate will intervene.. somehow.. But AMD can’t save itself, not with this (or any other) product roadmap. Too little, too late. It’ll have to be some external event.

      • chuckula
      • 7 years ago

      You have to remember, Donamin Haber is in Turkey, and around this time of year they are so busy running scared and trying not to get stuffed that they likely don’t have time to get all the information about AMD’s roadmaps.

        • xeridea
        • 7 years ago

        Lol

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    that’s the FIRST look at office, and it looks legit.

    that being said why would anyone ever talk to the verge?

      • chuckula
      • 7 years ago

      2Legit to quit?

        • sweatshopking
        • 7 years ago

        easily. what is MS going to do when they offer office for free? i realize it’s viewing only, but damn.

          • xeridea
          • 7 years ago

          There have been view only Office apps for as long as I can remember. I would link but I am lazy.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            yaeh, but not MS ones

            • UberGerbil
            • 7 years ago

            Microsoft has offered the free [url=http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=13<]PowerPoint Viewer[/url<] for what, about a decade now?

            • xeridea
            • 7 years ago

            Yes, and Word Viewer, and Excel Viewer. I would know because I have them because I hate MS Office, but LibreOffice doesn’t always open docx smoothly. That and I hardly do much besides some basic spreadsheets so it wouldn’t be worth it anyway.

            • Shouefref
            • 7 years ago

            Do you think LibreOffice is slower than OpenOffice.org?
            If you know what happened with OOo, there could be one of those d$ patent wars lurking.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            that’s true. i forgot about those.

            • shaq_mobile
            • 7 years ago

            We’ve had to use them alot at my work, because SOMEONE forgot to license Office properly. We had about 1500 more copies of office than we were supposed to when our department director left. That was fun to deal with. 🙂

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