Rumor: Next-gen Radeons due in the second quarter

As we saw yesterday, driver updates and game bundles alone have substantially altered the value equation for today’s graphics cards. That’s good, because according to DigiTimes, AMD’s next generation of graphics processor isn’t coming out until the second quarter of next year.

DigiTimes doesn’t reveal much about the next-gen Radeons, except for the fact that they’re apparently dubbed the Radeon HD 8000 series—no big shocker there. The site does, however, share an interesting tidbit about timing. Word is that AMD originally planned to release the GPUs this quarter but had to postpone them because of its ongoing corporate reorganization. Remember, about a month and a half ago, AMD announced plans to let go 15% of its work force in order to save cash.

DigiTimes goes on to say Nvidia, too, plans to introduce next-generation GPUs in 2013, but it doesn’t say when or what they’ll be called. Considering both Nvidia and AMD usually refresh their GPU lineups every year, I think that belongs under the "no duh" category.

AMD hasn’t shared many specifics about its latest round of layoffs, but just before the official announcement, the rumor mill said AMD’s graphics division would be hit particularly hard by engineering job cuts. I hope the rumor wasn’t true and the alleged 8000-series delay is unrelated. It would be a shame if AMD hobbled its graphics business, considering the GPU market is arguably where AMD has managed to stay the most competitive.

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    • Game_boy
    • 7 years ago

    I was going to use Semiaccurate’s Maxwell article to troll this thread but it turns out they’ve added a paywall, $50/article or $1000/year subscription. lol.

      • OU812
      • 7 years ago

      Nice to see you admit to being a troll and to trolling here.

      As for the S|A pay wall I am grateful because it keeps trolls (as you just admitted to being ) from propagating CharLIEs strongly biased anti-nvidia FUD.

        • chuckula
        • 7 years ago

        [quote<]Nice to see you admit to being a troll and to trolling here.[/quote<] Said the pot to the kettle. The difference being that Game_boy posts some amusing stuff from time to time while you are just paid to spread FUD for Nvidia. P.S. --> I'm going to get you and Bensam123 into the octagon for the ultimate in UFC (Ultimate Fanboy Championship) combat. I'm betting on both of you to lose.

          • OU812
          • 7 years ago

          Chuckie chuckie chuckles – trolling again.

          I see that you get your panties in such a bind when ever you see one my posts. Wouldn’t matter if I posted “the sun rises in the morning” you just have to post a reply.

          Better go see your therapist soon since your blood pressure seems to rise each time I post and we sure don’t want that big head of yours to explode, but then it really wouldn’t be a mess since it is mostly empty.

      • Game_boy
      • 7 years ago

      I am posting my genuine opinion. It’s just that I’m doing so to get a response; to see what the kind of person that visits this website thinks of it and of the subject. It’s trolling only because I know my opinion makes some people very upset.

      Merely being pro- or anti- some company is very boring.

    • ashley01x93
    • 7 years ago
    • zzz
    • 7 years ago

    Eventually Intel will be able to make a case of ARM being their competitor, but right this second AMD is pissing away their chance of approaching Intel and simply saying: ‘throw money at us or we exit the market and you have to deal with the fallout caused by monopolistic laws’.

      • Sahrin
      • 7 years ago

      AMD exits the market and does what? Opens a fruit stand?

        • JustAnEngineer
        • 7 years ago

        Some kinda fruit company…
        [url<]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNa4EMUWnAc[/url<]

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    No worries from NV, AMD will release their 8000’s and NV will release their stockpiled gk110.

      • willmore
      • 7 years ago

      Well, the cutdown leftovers after the HPC crowd took their pick.

    • kamikaziechameleon
    • 7 years ago

    Don’t worry they will still beat nvidia to market.

    • Forge
    • 7 years ago

    Given that Maxwell is now a 2014 part, I wonder what Nvidia is releasing in 2013??

    Ohh ohhh!!! I know!!! G92 RIDES AGAIN!!!!

      • chuckula
      • 7 years ago

      Yeah and if you think that the 8000 series Radeons are using a radically different architecture than the 7000 series Radeons, then I have a bridge to sell you.

      The fact is that in 2013 both AMD and Nvidia will release updated GPUs that refine existing designs and use the same 28nm process they are both on now. There will be some nice bumps in performance but nothing earth shattering will come from either side.

      • Silus
      • 7 years ago

      Don’t be ridiculous. Maxwell will be released on 20nm, so it can’t possibly be done before that process is done. Same goes for whatever chip AMD has @ 20 nm. The AMD HD 8800s will still use 28nm and NVIDIA will also have their refresh next year on the same process.

    • sschaem
    • 7 years ago

    I guess one reason AMD is scrambling for cash, they need to pay Global Foundry 213 million in cash in Q1 2013. You know, one of those “one time” thingy AMD is known for.

    And they had 400 something million in debt repayment in Q3 2013 scheduled…
    Thankfully GF owners accepted to restructure that debt for AMD.

    I said AMD would be bankrupt by Q3… but it seem that they might survive a few more quarters.

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      amd will last a while yet.

        • HisDivineOrder
        • 7 years ago

        I hope so. I fear a market without them. Not because I think Intel will raise prices, but because I don’t think Intel will leave enthusiasts without upgrades and building their own PC’s as long as AMD is around to keep doing it. If AMD is gone and Intel thinks they’re in charge with no one to compete against, a new CEO might see that as a way to transition those users to pre-built systems.

        Meanwhile, AMD keeps nVidia’s pricing and advancements in GPU honest. Without AMD, I suspect Fermi would have lasted a lot longer than it did and been a lot more expensive than it was.

        • sschaem
        • 7 years ago

        Thats a bold statement with what just happened and is happening.

        But I guess Abudu dhabi can own AMD at a discount this way and keep it alive with oil money.
        They now finally own all AMD manufacturing and 20% of AMD itself.

        BTW, if they didn’t just stepped in, the 485 million debt repayment in Q3 would have killed them.
        (AMD cant get more loan or restructure old ones when you are rated junk and close to bankruptcy)

        This rescue got them an extra seat on AMD board… I just hope that they really shake the tree and make AMD a working company again.

        Where is my 8870 ?!?!? delayed yet another quarter.. sigh.

          • BobbinThreadbare
          • 7 years ago

          Depends what he means by a while.

          I’m sure they can go 2-3 years just slowly bleeding out.

          They could probably also file Chapter 11 and re-organize and come back.

          They might even be able to convince the US gov they need to be bailed out.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            yeah, they still have options. they’ll be around for a few years yet, maybe not in all the markets they’re in, but in some of them.

    • Sargent Duck
    • 7 years ago

    I miss ATI.

    What doesn’t make sense though is that if the graphics section is actually making money…why would you sacrifice it to save costs for your other underperforming departments?

      • OneArmedScissor
      • 7 years ago

      Define “making money.” Every time I’ve looked at their quarterly earnings reports, the graphics card division was losing money, and the CPU division was often doing fine.

      ATI overall is likely a massive loss. I haven’t looked lately since AMD have been tanking outright, but even when they were seemingly alright, instances where the graphics so much as broke even were quite rare.

      If anything, the ATI acquisition really only helped their CPUs. Bobcat was what finally took down their barrier to entry in the laptop market. They’d have already shut down without that, as their server business has been decimated.

        • DancinJack
        • 7 years ago

        Q3 Results – [url<]http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsarticle&ID=1747465[/url<] CPU/APU - -114M GPU - +18M

          • OneArmedScissor
          • 7 years ago

          ATI was $5.4 billion upfront, plus seemingly eternal restructuring costs.

          Like I said, they’re rarely breaking even, and that’s as good as it gets. A few million per quarter, and not even consistently, is pennies on the dollar compared to what they need to pull in.

            • superjawes
            • 7 years ago

            Profitable is profitable. It doesn’t necessarily mean AMD will sink or sail, but if they do sink, the ATI and Radeon brands should still be good, meaning that someone else can pick them up. Nvidia is pretty strong competition, but Radeons seem to hold their own.

    • Mshmaitelly
    • 7 years ago

    To celebrate and calm the doubt of the doubter, I pinned the Techreport site to my web browser. I love the idea of pinning sites in tabs.

      • l33t-g4m3r
      • 7 years ago

      lol. I welcome your future posts.

      • khands
      • 7 years ago

      Have fun, and delve into the forums once in a while!

    • TurtlePerson2
    • 7 years ago

    I certainly hope that the CPU maker AMD doesn’t drag down the GPU maker AMD. Ever since the 4xxx series, AMD has been giving nVidia very good competition and this has led to low GPU prices for consumers. It would be a shame for AMD to make cuts at the graphics division when it seems to be performing so well.

      • OU812
      • 7 years ago

      [quote<] It would be a shame for AMD to make cuts at the graphics division when it seems to be performing so well.[/quote<] Where exactly do you see AMD's graphics division performing so well? [quote<] From Q2 to Q3 Intel slipped in both desktop (7%) and notebook (8.6%). [b<]AMD dropped (2%) in the desktop, and (17%) in notebooks[/b<]. Nvidia gained 28.3% in desktop from quarter to quarter and jumped almost 12% in the notebook segment AMD’s quarter-to-quarter total shipments of desktop heterogeneous GPU/CPUs, i.e., APUs dropped 30% from Q2 and 4.7% in notebooks. [b<]The company’s overall PC graphics shipments slipped 10.7%[/b<]. [b<]AMD saw a change of -7.7% in total graphics market share from last year, and -1.5% quarter to quarter[/b<]. [url<]http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases/details/nvidia-led-q3-with-20-quarter-to-quarter-growthamd-and-intel-dropped[/url<] [/quote<]

        • cynan
        • 7 years ago

        Financially (I know, the only metric that actually matters) AMD graphics may have been nothing spectacular. From a technical/enthusiast standpoint, however, the graphics division has practically been the only thing interesting or even remotely competitive (with a few exceptions) coming from AMD in the last half decade.

        That spec you quoted about AMD loosing notebook market share. It seems that Nvidia/AMD majority in the notebook market flip-flops fairly regularly depending on timing of the release of updated mobile graphics platforms. This year, while AMD was first to market with their desktop parts, I think the 7000 series mobile parts largely trailed Nvidias 600m parts by a couple of months. This probably was the largest factor here.

        Also AMD chips in the new Wii U and, purportedly, the new Xbox, should be a bit of a boon for AMD.

        Sure, AMD may be floundering a bit behind Nvidia when it comes to developer relations, which in turn impacts driver development, but hopefully this is changing for the better. Technologically, the two have been neck and neck and it’s nice to see how competitive ATI has been able to remain. Especially when almost every other facet of AMD seems to be lagging further and further behind (mostly Intel).

        In this respect, it will indeed be sad to see AMD shoot themselves in the foot by making cuts that could remove the former ATI as a staunch competitor in these markets, regardless of the financial imperatives.

    • chuckula
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<] It would be a shame if AMD hobbled its graphics business, considering the GPU market is arguably where AMD has managed to stay the most competitive.[/quote<] s/arguably/definitely As I have said before and will hopefully have the opportunity to say again assuming AMD's management doesn't screw up too bad: AMD is a first-rate graphics company with an underperforming CPU division.

      • Chrispy_
      • 7 years ago

      The ATI engineers employed by AMD are the only successful staff at AMD now. Ever since the K8 was replaced by the K10, AMD has been the golden standard for mismanagement and marketing blunders.

      Even the success of the APUs can be solely attributed to the ATI engineers, since the decent IGP performance is still hampered by an underperforming CPU.

        • brute
        • 7 years ago

        marketing was give the task of polishing a turd and calling it diamonds.

        cant blame them for it all

          • BobbinThreadbare
          • 7 years ago

          Remember all the hype about Bulldozer? I think that can be blamed squarely on marketing.

            • brute
            • 7 years ago

            if you remember the hype, that means marketing did their job.

            it’s not their fault the actual product was junk

            • kamikaziechameleon
            • 7 years ago

            The whole “First True Eight Core Processor!!!” That was marketing. It really was more like a quad FYI.

            • brute
            • 7 years ago

            im well aware of that. do keep in mind that it isnt marketing’s job to educate you, only convince you that you need to buy it

        • Geistbar
        • 7 years ago

        I don’t think you can portray this as the CPU engineers being incompetent. They seem to be doing rather well with the resources provided to them. Instead, the issue is that they aren’t given enough resources & they’ve had some rather lackluster leadership lately. They’re dealing with having less people to do even more work than in the past, forcing them to automate parts of the design process that would be best done by hand. They have to work with an inferior fabrication process and limited production capacity. Their starting point for all designs is an inferior architecture (they don’t just throw away all that old work that’s done, even when making new architectures!). Their toolbox of new technologies to integrate into designs (e.g. planar transistors) is much smaller, since AMD can’t afford to licence or research anywhere near as much of that stuff.

          • Joe Miller
          • 7 years ago

          Very good explanation. When looking at Intel vs AMD people tend to forget what it means to make do without resources.

    • dpaus
    • 7 years ago

    Let’s hope the performance is enough to put them firmly in First place again.

      • brute
      • 7 years ago

      subtle. very nice !

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