Google: No plans for more Windows 8 apps—for now

When Windows 8 came out in October, Google ran ads promoting its Search app for the new Modern UI interface. Apparently, though, the firm doesn’t have more Windows 8 apps in the pipeline. Clay Bavor, Product Management Director for Google Apps, said so in an interview with British website V3:

"We have no plans to build out Windows apps. We are very careful about where we invest and will go where the users are but they are not on Windows Phone or Windows 8," he said.
"If that changes, we would invest there, of course."

Some of Google’s rivals are being less snobby. Just the other day, Yahoo released a Windows 8 Yahoo! Mail app to go with its revamped web mail service. The app looks a lot like the built-in Microsoft one, but with a more purple-ish color scheme and a slightly different layout.

It’s hard to tell just how well Windows 8 is selling right now, but recent figures suggest it’s doing better than Windows 7. I suppose a lot of Windows 8 users are simply sticking to the old-school desktop interface and running Gmail in their web browsers, though. The usage share of Windows 8 and Windows RT tablets must be pretty small if Google is being so dismissive.

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    • ryko
    • 7 years ago

    good…anything to kill off win8

    • dashbarron
    • 7 years ago

    As I read this on my W8P….

    • moog
    • 7 years ago

    Doing just fine with Nokia maps and outlook.com (and the included skydrive + office web apps)

    Btw, do you need to go the desktop interface to browse gmail? IE10 in Metro is the fastest browser out there.

    • Malphas
    • 7 years ago

    Pure PR BS. As if Google are so precious about their resources that they’d play wait-and-see when it comes to Windows 8. Google are happy to throw money at dead-end projects like Wave, sell Nexus devices at a loss, fund open-source projects with no guarantee of any end benefit, etc. etc. yet they can’t invest the amount required to port apps to Windows 8 (which could feasibly be done by one developer in one day, if it came to it)? Nonsense.

    Obviously, Google fully intends to support Windows 8, Bavor is just using an opportunity to play down the importance of a competitor to Android by saying otherwise.

      • ludi
      • 7 years ago

      Which Nexus devices are sold at a loss?

        • Malphas
        • 7 years ago

        The Nexus 4 for starters.

          • hackbod
          • 7 years ago

          And yet, it isn’t.

            • gmskking
            • 7 years ago

            Correct, you have to be able to buy one first.

          • ludi
          • 7 years ago

          Don’t tell; show.

          For reference, the iSuppli teardown on the original Nexus One was around $175. Nexus 7 tablet, $152. Kindle Fire HD, $165. iPhone5, around $200. iPhone 4S, $188. iPad mini, $188. Lumia 900: $209. Ad infinitum, and throw about $7-10 manufacturing costs onto any of those.

          For Google to be outright losing money on the Nexus 4, which starts at $299 and uses pretty much the same spread of components as the devices listed above, it would have to include some rather atypical components, features, or suppliers.

          Google may not be making much margin when the back-end R&D and marketing costs are factored in, but it is highly doubtful they are selling “at a loss.”

            • Malphas
            • 7 years ago

            Yawn. I’m not interested in debating it with you, it wasn’t my point of my post. Believe whatever you want.

            • ludi
            • 7 years ago

            The point of your post was to make up facts in service of a predetermined argument?

            • Malphas
            • 7 years ago

            No, and if you were able to use logic you’d realise that even if you do disagree with that one point (you’re wrong though) it wouldn’t affect my argument in the slightest.

            • Malphas
            • 7 years ago

            Also, in addition to common sense:

            [url<]http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/google-selling-nexus-7-at-a-loss-not-cost-2012079/[/url<] [url<]http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/11/06/google-is-charging-consumers-less-for-the-nexus-4-than-it-is-selling-to-carriers/[/url<] It's cute how you think the sum of hardware costs equates to the unit price (whilst allowing an abitrary number for manufacturing), utterly failing to take into consideration the price of transporting all those materials multiple times, R&D, patent fees, labour, wastage, bad batches, testing, marketing, samples, etc. etc. If you dropped the naivety and unwarranted arrogance for a moment however, you'd realise one of Google's tactics is to sell Nexus units at a loss, as everyone besides you already knows.

    • deathBOB
    • 7 years ago

    Generalized complaint about Google: Google services are awesome, but WTF is up with their constantly de[s<]e[/s<]volving UI? It seems like they get harder and harder to use every week.

    • Ricardo Dawkins
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]"We have no plans to build out Windows apps. We are very careful about where we invest and will go where the users are but they are not on Windows Phone or Windows 8,"[/quote<] So, NO Google apps for Chrome OS.

      • HisDivineOrder
      • 7 years ago

      If Google didn’t make apps for its own OS, then who would? No one else cares about Chrome OS…

        • ludi
        • 7 years ago

        I think he was being sarcastic.

      • hackbod
      • 7 years ago

      I am pretty sure (but not positive) that any apps written from Chrome OS also run in plain Chrome — Chrome OS is basically the Chrome browser running on top of an embedded Linux with a tweaked UI. If so, this analogy doesn’t really work.

    • Ryhadar
    • 7 years ago

    *Looks at Google search application on my Windows Phone 7*

    Wha?…

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      that’s not made by google, nor is the gmaps program.

        • Ryhadar
        • 7 years ago

        I don’t use the gmaps program but the google search application I have is made by Google Inc.

          • Sahrin
          • 7 years ago

          Because otherwise Google wouldn’t really be available as a search engine on W8 (unless you went to change the default, which not very many people do on phones).

          If gmail is your e-mail, you aren’t going to flip over to Hotmail because there’s no app for gmail – you’re going to access it on the web browser, and Google will happily design a web interface for gmail.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 7 years ago

            If the mail client in Windows 8 x64 is the same as the mail client in WP8, it’ll log into Gmail for you all by itself and get your mail. No need for a Google interface to anything.

            Can’t figure out how to pick which calendars the Windows 8 calendar app looks at, though. My Android phone can see both mine and my wife’s, but my desktop can only see mine.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            google is tough, as they don’t play nice with MS
            [url<]http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/sync-multiple-google-calendars-windows/[/url<]

          • sweatshopking
          • 7 years ago

          you’re right! i thought it wasn’t google either!

    • Umbragen
    • 7 years ago

    Maybe they’re just too busy ‘investing’ in the Cayman Islands….

      • kilkennycat
      • 7 years ago

      Bermuda, actually…..

      No Win8 phone for me until Google Maps is fully ported and permitted by Microsoft. Er, why should Google port it anyway? Let the Win8 phone die a lingering death of poor market-share and little 3rd-party development.

    • redwood36
    • 7 years ago

    Not to be a debbie downer but this story is several days old isnt it.
    Eitherway I’d say this is googles way of maintaining the apathy of the market and media in regards to windows 8. Eventually I’m sure they are going support it.

      • HisDivineOrder
      • 7 years ago

      This is their way of saying Windows RT is abysmal and Windows 8 is already fully supported by the regular applications you can use on the desktop.

    • Sahrin
    • 7 years ago

    So much for my google account. I’ll just have to use an e-mail provider that doesn’t scan my e-mails for ads.

      • sweatshopking
      • 7 years ago

      [url<]http://www.outlook.com[/url<]

      • deathBOB
      • 7 years ago

      2007 called – it wants its complaint back.

        • sweatshopking
        • 7 years ago

        i don’t think it’s a stupid complaint. I’m a fan of privacy, even though i don’t have any secrets.

        • moog
        • 7 years ago

        You got mail from grannies in panties? Do tell.

    • Arag0n
    • 7 years ago

    Google is opting to let customers be disappointed rather than let Microsoft be more competitive. I believe that Google will not develop for Microsoft once WP or W8 get more traction but when the balance between what they have to lose is bigger than what they have to win. Google is going for profit instead of their users experience. Windows phone is likely to already sold more than 15 million devices, and currently is adding at least 1.5 million users per month to the platform. They are shooting themselves by letting that people get pissed by Google support to Windows Phone.

    No one believes that eBuddy, Line NAVER and a tone different little startups or companies can have resources to develop applications for Windows Phone but Google does not. Such a huge amount of bullshit!

    There is at least one good application that handles all google services from 3th party developers on windows phone marketplace, so sorry Google, people will use a 3th party till they get tired of waiting and finally drop all google services they can.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 7 years ago

      Wooo, all the closed garden mobile stuff is fun because it’s like MS’s old anti-competitive behavior, using dominance in one area to gain or maintain or hurt competitors in another area, except this time it’s Apple, MS, and Google all duking it out. Yay!

        • jdaven
        • 7 years ago

        +1. Good post.

        • Arag0n
        • 7 years ago

        I agree with your statement that it’s like old Microsoft behavior but played by all 3 main players at the same time. But I strongly believe that Google has sharply become the worst of all 3 by far.

          • clone
          • 7 years ago

          because Google gives away almost everything they do for free I’m have a hard time believing they are “SHARPLY” the worst company.

          Apple dictates almost everything go through Itunes which locks it down, the concept of a pricing deal has not once ever been a concept they’ve considered…. which are 2 reasons why more than a few ppl are buying Galaxy S3’s.

          MS has been notorious for ignoring patents, crushing competition & stifling innovation when they can and especially when they held the power right up until they lost it.

          comparing those actions to Google deciding to hold off adding more Apps for Win8 until the user base gets to a sustainable level and claiming Google is “Sharply” the worst…. seems off.

          the web can be so incredibly fickle.

      • Decelerate
      • 7 years ago

      I respect your developped opinion, but disagree on your conclusion.

      Can’t fault Google for not developping for Microsoft: it’s a competing platform [b<]and[/b<] the user base is too small, [i<]for now[/i<], for any decent return on investment. Heck, we don't even know if this ecosystem will survive in the mid-to-long term, although I doubt that it will fizzle out anytime soon. It's like the ios maps application they released yesterday: they couldn't ignore such a wide market base, but I think that they would have if they could (I wouldn't be surprised if the lack of Google Maps on iOS hurt Google more than Apple). For Microsoft it's also a the-chicken-or-the-egg type of problem. Imho Ballmer & co. should've released Nokia's map app (they [b<]are[/b<] partners after all), or they should have licensed Google's map data like Apple did initially. In my opinion Microsoft has been coasting on their product recognition for too long; they should be more aggressive and meticulous. For example, Surface is a good product, but its delivery was seriously flawed: they should have had B&M stores & Amazon carry it from day one, and have an Apple-like [i<]announce and release[/i<].

      • BabelHuber
      • 7 years ago

      Let’s put your numbers in perspective assuming MS manages to sell 1.5 Million WP8-devices per month.

      Note that this is a generous assumption, but we won’t see the real data before January or February anyways.

      Google sells 1.3 Million smartphones per day or so, so this means Microsoft’s monthly sales ar comparable to Android’s daily sales.

      Now let’s look at installed base: You say 15 Million, I generously give them 20 Millions.

      This Means:
      Android ~600 Million
      iOS ~300 Million
      WP ~20 Million (note that most of them are on the obsolete WP7, WP8-apps won’t work on them)

      This is ~2.2% market share for WP, and we even ignore Symbian, BADA and BB here. In reality the market share is ~1.5%

      Conclusion: WP8 is a niche OS regarding market share and also has very slow growth (in other words it has a laughable market share any way you look at it).

      So, corporations are hesitant to code for niche OSes. Nothing new here.

      If 50% of WP-users dislike Google now, that means 0.75% of smartphone users.

      So yes, Google can live with this.

        • jdaven
        • 7 years ago

        I wonder what AragOn’s view point is towards apps not made for MacOS in the past and present because of low market share. I doubt he/she cared even though such apathy would make him/her a hypocrite.

        At any rate, you are right BabelHuber, just because MS has 85%+ desktop/laptop share doesn’t entitle them in any way whatsoever to app development for there almost non-existent smartphone/tablet share.

          • sweatshopking
          • 7 years ago

          their*

          • MadManOriginal
          • 7 years ago

          Arag0n doesn’t care about Mac people.

            • jdaven
            • 7 years ago

            Then Arag0n is a hypocrite. If he/she really believes that Google is somehow responsible for keeping the market competitive by making applications for its rivals, then he/she should also believe the same for app developers and Mac OS.

            • sweatshopking
            • 7 years ago

            google does make mac apps. so does ms. what’s your point?

            • jdaven
            • 7 years ago

            Google also makes apps for Windows 8 but not all their apps as the story says. If you read the posts, you see the conversation is about competition and entitlement. Arag0n in his first statement is implying that its Google’s responsibility to make the market more competitive:

            “Google is opting to let customers be disappointed rather than let Microsoft be more competitive.”

            L-E-T is the key word here. The hypocrisy is that even MS holds back certain apps for certain platforms to help its own OSes which Arag0n fails to mention. IE on Mac, Office on iOS, Halo on PS/Wii/PC, everything they make on Linux, etc. So the point is that Arag0n has no valid point unless he/she applies the logic to all OSes, apps and companies as well as amends capitalism to the point where competitors must offer all products on competing platforms to ‘let’ company X be more competitive.

            • Arag0n
            • 7 years ago

            The only thing that I may agree in your statement is Office for iOS. It’s not the same to deny your competition to use your browser (IE), something that can be easily substituted by the company that develops the platform, and not letting other platforms a chance to have a proper user experience with services that are standard ones for their own kind such as Youtube and Google Maps in some countries.

            I agree with you that Microsoft may (and may be should be) be required to develop an iOS/Android version of Office, at least a document reader. However, it’s still up to any other company to create an application that can properly open and edit docx files since docx specification is public. Google has no public specification about how to access some youtube capabilities as HD videos neither has a public specification about how to access some very key areas of Google Maps such as 3D information and vectorial maps.

            See the difference? Google could develop an application for Android that could open and edit docx (the standart business format for documents) in par or better than Microsoft offer. However, Microsoft can’t develop a solution that is on par with Google for Youtube and Google Maps.

            Todays announcment about Google dropping ActiveSyng just moves me more to my current view of Google policy. They are going to hurt anyone that does not use Android. They shouldn’t be allowed to do such kind of shitty move with at least 6 months in advance for both, let users switch if they feel the need or let competition do what is required to support you. Suddenly dropping ActiveSync means that iOS, Windows Phone, BB10, Bada, Symbian, OSX, etc. need to redefine the behaviour of native mail applications so that CardDAV and CalDAV are used without requiring users to input 3 different configurations or just have totally no support at all if their platform still has no CardDAV or CalDAV.

            Actually, the list of programs that support CardDAV is stupidly short:
            [url<]http://wiki.davical.org/w/CardDAV/Clients[/url<] So it just does not hurt WP or W8, it is going to hurt almost every single person that prefers applications over web!

            • Arag0n
            • 7 years ago

            Funny thing I forgot to point. Before someone says it is Microsoft fault to not have a working CardDAV and CalDAV implementation…. Did you know that Android does not have native support for it either? funny eh? If the movement was about open standards, why not add support to Android first before dropping your users?

            • Arag0n
            • 7 years ago

            And I do believe so. Google should let their services that are defacto standards as Youtube, Gmail and Google Maps have a standard API for third party developers of companies to develop an application that can be at least as good if not better than a Google developed app.

            What if tomorrow Apple buys WhatsApp and decides to drop Android support? Sure people can move to other apps like LINE or Kik Messenger, but so many people outhere will be pushed to buy iOS devices for a while with no other option.

            There is things that need to be open. It’s not about open standarts and it’s not about open/closed source. It’s about not using services for which a single company has a monopoly to be used to push their marketshare and deny it for others. It’s the same that Windows did earlier denying access to some Windows API’s to not let other people be able to develop applications that could compete with Internet Explorer or Office. Everyone bashed Microsoft for doing so, and Google should be bashed today and now about their current behaviour.

            I say that as Windows Phone and Windows 8 user, but I any other platform developed by anyone, let it be BB10, Bada, Nokia Asha phones, etc.

            Today, #GoogleIsEvil

            • Arag0n
            • 7 years ago

            I’m posting this from a Mac Mini while using Windows 8. So, rethink your point. Google should not be allowed to not develop apps for competing platforms for at least Youtube and Google Maps, and IMHO, they should not be allowed to change public services as GMail public sync capabilities without at least the required time for competition to update and support the changes.

            With today movement about them dropping ActiveSync for mail, calendar and contacts, they are also destroying the sync capabilities of OSX and native iOS clients. People will be required to use IMAP, CardDAV and CalDAV. None of those services support PUSH notifications and all require pulling data from server, making any but google developed gmail apps be able to have push capabilities.

            Shame on google. OSX users, iOS users, Windows 8 users, Windows Phone users, potentially BB10 users, current BB7 users, Symbian users, Bada users… there is a high number of users out there for which google is dropping proper support.

        • Arag0n
        • 7 years ago

        So, let’s put it in prespective. A multi billion dollar company that makes more than $30 Billion per year revenue is likely to drop up to a whole $225 million revenue because to assemble a team with at most 30 engineers that at most cost $200k/year each with a total cost of $6 million per year. You know, even if Google made no money from Windows Phone users $6 Million per year is less than 0.02% Google revenue…. do not be dumb. The reason for Google is not economical.

          • BabelHuber
          • 7 years ago

          Sorry, but your answer ha nothing to do with the reality of the market.

          The reality is that WP8 fails to get momentum even now, immediately after launch.

          So, WP8 is released and sells about as much devices per month than Android sells every day.

          Conclusion: WP8 is an utter failure.

          So, not investing here is logical.

          Another example: BBC does not release a WP-app:

          [url<]http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/20/bbc-no-iplayer-on-windows-phone/[/url<] Arag0n, you personaly may like WP, and this is OK. But you have to keep in mind that the market as a whole rejects WP. So in your example above, yes, Google could use a handfull of developers to code for WP, Google could afford it. But developers are a resource that doesn't grow on trees, let alone good developers. So using some developers for WP does create opportunity costs, since you cannot use these engineers elsewhere. Perhaps Google decided that the same ressources are better to be used for something else, which creates more money. Lots of people do not understand opportunity costs. It simply means that the ressources of an entity are not unlimited, so if you waste ressources for something which is marginally profitable, you cannot use the same ressources for something else. Hence WP is on the black list. And this black list usually contains more than a single item. Ignoring the items on the black list actually generates bigger profit. This is how corporations do the ressource management. I understand that you don't like this, since you use and like WP8, but this does not change the reality.

            • Arag0n
            • 7 years ago

            I hope you understand too that developers for a platform are not likely to be developers of a different platform, and that means that you don´t have the same developers for Windows Phone that could be on Android or iOS, you hire new people.

            How many people do you think Google needs to develop apps? They don´t even need to develop it themselves, they can pay a subcontrator to do the job, there are plenty. Money is a bad excuse from Google point of view.

            As I pointed to you before, there is plenty companies supporting WP today. Many more than actually do not, and very small companies support WP better than Google does, so there goes your argument about resources problem.

            WP Facebook users per month:
            2010/12/16 – 250k
            2011/12/16 – 1.2M
            2012/12/16 – 3.5M

            New Windows Phone useres increased a whoping 100% from 2011 to 2012. Companies do not invest just based in current market but also market projections. It’s likely to expect that next year today the montly average users for WP is around 7.5M. It’s determined that usually there is at least 5 to 6 (this number is likely to be higher due introduction of WP in China) users per every monthly facebook user. That means at least 17.5 Million users currently and 37.5 Million by the end of next year. Can you explain to me which company with a small sense of business will ignore a platform with at least 40 Million users? It is likely that there is going to be more Windows Phone users by next year end than Xbox players.

            Did you know that Google developed Google Maps for Wii U? It is very likely that there is going to be far more WP useres than Wii U users at any time of human history and also extremly more likely that WP users are widely more interested for Google Maps than Wii U players.

            So please, do not be foolish. I understand all your explanations about market, costs, etc. but you fail to understand that while it is true, that’s not the reason for Google. The main reason for Google is to avoid helping Windows Phone gain momentum, plain and simple.

            • BabelHuber
            • 7 years ago

            So you concede my point about opportunity costs. So far so good.

            But then you point out that the main reason is that Google has no interest in WP becoming successfull.

            I wouldn’t say it’s the MAIN reason, but I concede that it is ONE reason among others.

            If WP would be successfull, Google would have no other option than to develop for it.

            But it is not. You can’t expect Google to nurture WP. As others already have pointed out, nobody expected Microsoft to nurture Linux on the desktop by providing MS Office.

            So in the end, yes, MS gets a taste of its own medicine.

            But apart from this, it doesn’t make sense to develop for WP8 for more than one company, as I have shown with the BBc example.

            But yet you expect Google to say ‘our competitor is not successfull, but nevertheless we put valuable ressources into providing apps for him, so our own competing product gets more competition, while we make less money’.

            You cannot expect this. If I would be shareholder of a company which acts this way I would be pretty upset and demand the CEO to be fired.

            • Arag0n
            • 7 years ago

            Read my other post about market trends. I can point you at least three examples of a company that decided that investing for WP had sense for every single one that decided still does not. So let’s start with Google counter-apps.

            I’m going to show you examples of a country where the main Search engine is not Google and consecuently, has no interest into Android or WP success. Baidu, Youku and QQ, most popular Chinese searcher, video sharing platforms and chat plaform.

            Baidu has both, their maps application and a complete search application.

            Youku has their video app for WP7 and an specific app for WP8.

            QQ has most of their services already avalible for WP, check here:
            [url<]http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/store/publishers?publisherId=%25e6%25b7%25b1%25e5%259c%25b3%25e5%25b8%2582%25e8%2585%25be%25e8%25ae%25af%25e8%25ae%25a1%25e7%25ae%2597%25e6%259c%25ba%25e7%25b3%25bb%25e7%25bb%259f%25e6%259c%2589%25e9%2599%2590%25e5%2585%25ac%25e5%258f%25b8&appId=b45f0a5f-13d8-422b-9be5-c750af531762[/url<] I will agree with you that Microsoft used to do the same back 1995 to 2000 both with Windows and Office. I just say that surprisingly (or maybe not) Google is becoming the new Microsoft despite all their "do not be evil" crap.

            • BabelHuber
            • 7 years ago

            It is not a success when 50% of software vendors release Apps for your platform when your competition gets close to 100%.

            If your bank releases an App for online banking, iOS and Android are a given. But they will discuss about releasing the App for WP7, or WP8, or both.

            This puts MS in a bad position.

            Again, even if your 50%-number is true, it is disaster for MS.

            In the past, Windows was the given platform to develop for. As soon as this changes, it is bad for MS.

            I don’t get why you spin around numbers, but then interpret them wrongly.

            Pleade don’t act like an MS astroturfer. As I already have stated, it id our right to like WP8. But this does not change the reality of the market:

            Almost nobody wants a Windows Phone, the market prefers Android and iOS. And MS is losing ground, not winning.

            • Arag0n
            • 7 years ago

            I don’t agree with your statment basically because Windows Phone is growing faster than market and also faster than Android, and the number of companies that decide to release for all 3 platforms is increasing not decreasing. You have the right numbers about Microsoft having small marketshare, but you have the wrong ones about platform tendency.

            • BabelHuber
            • 7 years ago

            Windows is growing much slower than the market. 1.5 million per month compared with 1.5 million a day is nothing. How often must I repeat this? This cannot be debated or seen in another way, these are facts!

            • Arag0n
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]You cannot expect this. If I would be shareholder of a company which acts this way I would be pretty upset and demand the CEO to be fired.[/quote<] That means that the same shareholders that pushed predatory Microsoft behavior back in the 90's are pushing predatory behavior on Google now, and consequently you agree with me that Google will not invest until they have more to lose than win rather than at the time investment makes sense (we can argue that was at least 6 months ago).

            • BabelHuber
            • 7 years ago

            I agree. This is life, it’s just like it is.

            • Arag0n
            • 7 years ago

            So, let me put it in perspective. 10 years ago it was Microsoft practice and it was normal to bash Microsoft 24/7 and it was cool to use M$ everywhere. Now Google is doing the same and everyone should say, “oh it’s normal, business as usual”?

            Microsoft changed a lot in the last 10 years, it’s not the same company anymore, and Google just seems to keep making worse and worse business practices. Think about it, if AMD was to become the major CPU player for god knows what reason, and AMD started to do the same practices Intel did back P4 times, do you think it would be ok?

            • BabelHuber
            • 7 years ago

            You can whine about this, but it is how it is. ms gets a dose of their own medicine. Life’s a bitch.

            • Arag0n
            • 7 years ago

            Oh, and one more thing.

            Apple didn’t reach the 17.5 Million devices sold until the end of 2009Q2 and the iPhone started to sell in 2007Q3. Took Apple 2 years to reach that selling mark and likely the total number of users was significally lower than total sales.

            In 2009Q3 Apple sold 5.2 Million devices before iPhone 3GS release. 2012Q3 Nokia sold 2.9 Million WP devices. Nokia is around 60% WP marketshare, so total WP sold last quarter is around 4.8 Million.

            In 2009Q4 Apple sold 7.4 Million. If WP8 was to keep the same trend that iPhone did back then, WP needs a 54% sales increase. Lukily, reports say that app downloads and revenue doubled since WP8 launch, so I’m going to guess that it’s going to keep the trend and maybe surpass.

            No single product that requires an ecosystem to be competitive can join a market and sell like hot-cakes without maturing. WP8 needs to reach a good-enough and a minimum of app parity level to become a major player. That is happening at the same rate than it happened to iPhone.

            Google released in October 2008 their Google Earth app for iPhone. Total iPhone sales at that time were 6.14 Million.

            I can keep going and going and telling you more examples that can show you that Google never waited to invest on any platform till the platform grow up. Google has always been an early adopter and supported all platforms from start. Don’t be fooled. It’s not about userbase, more than 17.5 million is a big enough userbase for Google to justify investment and it’s not about market trend. Google will never support windows phone until they have more to win than lose. I’m pretty sure that if there was no Android, or Android was owned by any other company rather than Google, there was going to be Google Maps, Youtube and all kind of Google Apps already.

            Edit: One more piece of info, you can check here ( [url<]http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-seeing-significant-holiday-boost-compared-to-q4-2011/[/url<] ) that WP user base increase was at least 4 times faster in October of this year than previous and 3 times faster during November. And remember that those new users not sales, so sales are likely to have grown much higher.

            • BabelHuber
            • 7 years ago

            Numbers are unimportant when are not set into a context.

            The smartphone market in 2010 was ~300 million devices sold. In 2012, it is ~750 million.

            So when you sold 100 million smartphones in 2010 and the same in 2012, you are in trouble.

            The benchmark for WP8 hence is Android in 2012, where 120 million Andoid smartphones (without tablets etc.) were sold in Q3.

            When MS sells 1.5 million WP8 devices per month, it is a catastrophy of epic peoportions for them in 2012.

            It doees not matter whether this would have been called a huge success in 2007 or not.

            • Arag0n
            • 7 years ago

            You don’t get my point, my point is that Microsoft has a clear growing trend that is likely to continue. You can’t expect any platform to multiply user base per 100 overnight. Companies do not invest just in current userbases but also trends.

            • BabelHuber
            • 7 years ago

            There is no growing trend.

            MS’ market share regarding installed base is 1.5%.

            If they reach 3%, it is a growth of 100%, but still in the low single digits.

            This is no success. It is a disaster!

            If we would talk about 10% of all smartphones being sold, it would be different.

            But the forecast for smartphones sold in Q4 2012 is 150 million Android, 40 million iOS and 4.5 million WP (WP7 and WP8 combined, note that this is already a fragmentated market)

            Add BADA, Symbian and BB, and you get 2-3% market share regarding sales. This cannot be regarded as success, I’m sorry.

            • Arag0n
            • 7 years ago

            Eh… no

            [url<]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_operating_system[/url<] Get your facts together. From 2011Q2 to 2012Q2 Wp went from 12% iPhone sales to 20% iPhone sales. Global sales went from 2.3% to 3.5%. I use iOS as comparison because Google seems to have no issue regarding developing Apps for iPhone.

            • BabelHuber
            • 7 years ago

            This is really getting ridiculous now. You act as if you actually WANT WP to be a success and just try to find numbers which support your opinion.

            Your comparison is meaningless, because Apple is an underperformer, too.

            Just look at graph from your own WIkipedia-link:

            [url<]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/World_Wide_Smartphone_Sales.png[/url<] Please, please do not tell me that you are capable of looking at this graph and think WP is a success. WP's market share is constantly deep down at the bottom, barely noticable and does NOT grow faster than the market. If so, I have an honest question: Are you paid by Microsoft to spread their marketing nonsense?

            • Arag0n
            • 7 years ago

            Please, please. I show you the numbers that prove that all you are saying is wrong about marketshare and then you point at a graph. Is Microsoft an automatic success? Not right now. Will it keep growing and reach a significant share sooner than later? Definitely yes. Seems you want to deny WP growing rate and YoY, QoQ improving trend so much.

            • BabelHuber
            • 7 years ago

            You showed nothing. I showed that WP is in the low single digits market-wise and has 2-3% ins Q4 2012 rearding sales.

            This is not growth.

            Add to this that 1.5 million WP devices does not mean 1.5 million Lumia 920 and Samsung ATIV s per month.

            This number includes the obsolete WP7-phones whch are still sold. E.g. here in Europe where the Lumia 600 and 800 are saled with prepaid contrcats for the X-Mass season.

            So WP8 adds a few hundred thousand devices per month, while Google adds more than a million per day.

            Add to this that WP8 is incompatible to WP7 and you get a market share of abut 0% for WP8 at the end of Q4 2012 ( Some 2 million of 1.3-1.4 billion smartphones worldwide)

            And this is with the full marketing support of MS and Nokia. TV commercials are running round the clock praising WP8, yet almost nobody buys it.

            In 2013 WP8 will already be old news. If it cannot even hold its own at release and with the full MS marketing behind it, it is already a lost case.

            Only paid Microsoft astroturfers or people living in their own reality could come to a different conclusion.

            • Arag0n
            • 7 years ago

            I’m going to make it shorter:

            Can you give me a single sadistic or proof that points that Windows Phone will sell less in 2013 than 2012?

            Can you give me a single marketshare supervisor company that does not project at least a 15% share for Windows Phone in the next 5 years?

            Can you give give me a single sadistic that points that Windows Phone YoY grow was slower than market?

            All your ideas and projects are based in… you. All your data is based in… you. Your opinion is completely subjective and is not based with any kind of marketshare projections. Still, you point your opinion as the real one, and the only one someone should believe. Here ends my conversation with you, I’m not going to keep hearing your insults for not sharing your opinion while providing data that proofs all your bubble talking to be wrong.

            You said: WP8 fail to gain momentum. I proved to you the sales rate multiplied by at least 3x to 4x in the first 2 months.

            You said: WP is already decreasing. I proved to you that share is growing faster than market.

            You said: no one will support wp because it has not enough user base. I give you a list of companies that definitely do not behave like Google with very similar services.

            I proved every single of your subjective opinions to not be based in facts but subjectivity and still, you say that anyone that does not think the same as you is “living in their own”, alias, crazy.

            Give me a break, fracking asshole!

            • BabelHuber
            • 7 years ago

            Let’s make a last summary: Since WP7 was introduced, WP stayed in the low single digits regarding sales.

            This gives us an installed bae of 1.5%.

            New WP sales have 2-3% market share in Q4 2012. This is the quarter where WP8 was introduced to the market.

            How often have I read ‘with WP8 everything will change’. But it did not.

            Conclusion: This OS is a failure.

            And no, I do not give a rat’s ass on market share prediction from companies which expected WP to be in the double digit market share by now. They were wrong back then, they are wrong now.

            The burden of proof is on YOU to show that this will change, not on me.

            Besides, I already have stated that the MS marketing machine is at full spin now, giving out marketing-money to partners like Nokia and to carriers.

            Yet almost noboy wants a Windows Phone.

            The flow of marketing-money will slow down over time, why should it get better then?

            Why should OEMs like Samsung and HTC care about a platform with almost no sales? Sony and LG have already left the WP ecosystem while Android gains new OEMs all the time.

            But you are obvously too dumb to see the pattern here. WP7 was said to be a success, it was not. Then it was WP8 which should have been the breakthrough. It is not.

            Now I should believe that next time it gets better? Are you so retarded to buy this?

            I don’t know whether you are paid by MS or simply stupid.

      • sschaem
      • 7 years ago

      No, the reason is that google potentially see this go the way of the zune.

      Google just want to wait before committing resources. Its in MS court now.

      • deb0
      • 7 years ago

      If it was to Google’s advantage to do so, they would. Microsofts win8x platform is garbage and Google see’s the lackluster customer adoption of it.

      If Microsoft get’s it’s act together and can figure out how to make win8 viable, Google will quickly reverse course. But to expect Google to do anything to help a dying dragon is ridiculous.

    • MadManOriginal
    • 7 years ago

    Meh…their stuff runs in a browser mostly anyway, so the ‘Windows 8 app’ is known as Chrome/Firefox/IE/Opera etc. Otherwise actual programs like Google Earth will just run on the desktop. It’s only bad for those running Win RT (lol) who want actual programs.

    • indeego
    • 7 years ago

    Getting a plug-in request by Firefox on this page…

      • Thatguy
      • 7 years ago

      Interesting, me too.

      • Wirko
      • 7 years ago

      Same here. When I thought I had all the common rubbish of this world already installed, here comes the “Dragon Naturally Speaking Rich Internet Application Support”.

      [i<]<object width="0" height="0" id="plugin0" type="application/x-dgnria" ...[/i<]

      • not@home
      • 7 years ago

      yeah, I am too.

      • Ari Atari
      • 7 years ago

      Same using Waterfox. Wonder what caused it.

      • nanoflower
      • 7 years ago

      I’m getting the same request from Firefox V18 beta 4 (I think) and yet when I try to let Firefox install the plugin there isn’t any that match what it is looking for.

      • stdRaichu
      • 7 years ago

      As Wirko points out, the plugin it’s looking for is for “Dragon Naturally Speaking Rich Internet Application Support”. Sounds like one of the authors have may have it installed and it’s wormed its way into the site code…?

      [url<]http://wordpress.org/support/topic/nuan_ria_plugin-what-is-it[/url<]

        • indeego
        • 7 years ago

        Nuance. Such an evil company. The company I worked for has them blacklisted for new contracts for two years.

          • Jon
          • 7 years ago

          Oh do tell you!

      • gmskking
      • 7 years ago

      Chrome

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