AMD shares latest mobile, desktop roadmap

At CES this afternoon, AMD shared fresh details about its mobile and desktop roadmap for 2013. The company revealed specs for Kabini and Temash, two low-power, 28-nm system-on-a-chip devices aimed at ultrathin laptops and tablets. The company also shared some details about Richland, Trinity’s successor, which is “already shipping” to PC makers. Scott Wasson, our intrepid Editor in Chief, was on the scene and sent us his notes and photos.

Richland-based A8 and A10 APUs are slated to deliver a 20% performance increase over their Trinity-based predecessors. Richland systems will be spruced up with bundled AMD software, as well, including AMD Face Login, AMD Gesture Control, AMD Screen Mirror, and “AMD Optimized Games.” Succeeding Richland in the second half of the year will be Kaveri, whose integrated graphics will be driven by the same Graphics Core Next architecture as the latest Radeon GPUs. Kaveri will be fabbed on a 28-nm process, down from 32-nm for Richland.

Kabini and Temash are perhaps more interesting, though.

Kabini is a quad-core system-on-a-chip—the first quad-core x86 SoC, according to AMD. It will power next-gen A4 and A6 APUs, and it should be more than 50% faster than existing Brazos offerings. (In case you’re having trouble reconciling code names with products, Brazos powers the E2-1800 and E1-1200 APUs.) During an on-stage demo, Kabini even appeared to outperform Intel’s Core i3-3217U—not bad, considering Kabini fits within a 15W envelope and is supposed to enable battery life up to 10 hours. AMD says the chip “has come up very well” and has already sampled to PC makers. The first Kabini-based ultrathin notebooks should be out by the middle of the year.

Temash, meanwhile, is meant to power a “new category of ultra-mobile devices.” AMD points out that current x86 tablets are split between sluggish low-power silicon (a la Atom) and “re-purposed” notebook chips that add weight and bulk. Temash is supposed to offer the “best of both worlds,” with up to twice the performance of AMD’s Z-60 (a.k.a. Hondo) tablet APU in a similar thermal envelope—one that’s low enough to enable fanless designs. Dual- and quad-core Temash chips should have TDPs below 5W; Hondo, by contrast, is rated for 4.5W. At the event, AMD showed a demo of Temash running DiRT Showdown on a 0.39″-thick tablet with a 10.6″ screen. The game looked good and ran smoothly, which definitely bodes well for future x86 tablets.

AMD had other things to show. A Vizio representative took the stage to pimp the 11.6″ tablet we told you about earlier today as well as a handful of other systems, including an all-in-one desktop and a pair of ultrathin notebooks. All of them had AMD APUs inside, naturally.

Oh, and AMD officially released its Radeon HD 8500M-, 8600M-, and 8700M-series mobile graphics processors today. We already covered those in December, and we even tested one just before Christmas, so you should already know all about them. AMD says the new GPUs will show up in laptops from Asus, Lenovo, and Samsung, with more vendors to follow in the coming weeks.

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    • Sam125
    • 7 years ago

    Awesome, Trinity is already a pretty compelling choice and Richland seems even better at +20%. I’m hoping AMD supports their platforms for extended periods of time and Kaveri becomes just a drop in replacement.

    • HisDivineOrder
    • 7 years ago

    AMD could have a winner on their hands with a gaming-capable, low-power-sipping, fanless x86 chip built for tablets. That said, they’d have to win contracts and win them in PC’s that don’t give you TN displays with horrible touch made by bottom-tier companies. We need an Asus Transformer built on Windows 8 with an AMD Temash-based chip in order to have something we could all use.

    Oh, and they’d have be considerably less than the Intel version. How likely are all those stars to align? It’s a shame. It sounds like the very chip and tablet I’d love to buy, but if they shortchange the display or chintz on the quality, it won’t matter how awesome that chip is.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 7 years ago

      Considerably cheaper than a Core version, sure. But you’re asking too much to not cheap out on other components *and* be considerably less than Atom versions, and by expecting that you hurt the likelihood of them coming out if market research indicates people like you wouldn’t buy it. If Temash or Kabini really are well-balanced APUs they ought to be worth buying versus Atoms even if they cost the same.

    • lilbuddhaman
    • 7 years ago

    “SURROUND COMPUTING”

    This should be their new slogan

    • chuckula
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]Succeeding Richland in the second half of the year will be Kaveri, whose integrated graphics will be driven by the same Graphics Core Next architecture as the latest Radeon GPUs.[/quote<] Yeah right, unless "succeeding" means that AMD will ship a few samples to OEMS in December. Using that spin, Intel could just as well claim that Broadwell is "succeeding" Haswell this year even though we all know that ain't happening either.

    • ronch
    • 7 years ago

    No mention of future Steamroller/Excavator chips?

      • yogibbear
      • 7 years ago

      Don’t talk about the unmentionables in public!

      • Alexko
      • 7 years ago

      Kaveri is based on Steamroller.

      Excavator was originally scheduled for 2014, and as far as I’m aware it hasn’t been mentioned in a while, so hopefully that’s still the plan, but it’s unclear.

    • Illissius
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]Dual- and quad-core Temash chips should have TDPs below 5W; Hondo, by contrast, is rated for 4.5W.[/quote<] Quite a contrast.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 7 years ago

      I’m surprised there wasn’t some ‘look, 10% improvement!’ marketing. Because absolute numbers don’t mean anything.

    • Hattig
    • 7 years ago

    Things look like they are looking up for AMD, these CPUs look good, especially the Jaguar based ones. Quad-core Jaguar in under 5W is going to be very interesting, when compared to a quad-core A15 and the new 7W Ivy Bridge.

    Also it looks like Kaveri is not delayed into 2014, unlike the recent rumours.

    But no sign of anything under 28nm this year.

      • forumics
      • 7 years ago

      i might be wrong but kaveri was supposed to feature the new steamroller CPU cores wasn’t it?

        • faramir
        • 7 years ago

        Indeed. And since the actual chip is still about 1 year away this isn’t an unrealistic prospect, is it ?

    • Hattig
    • 7 years ago

    “AMD Face Login, AMD Gesture Control, AMD Screen Mirror”

    i.e., Control Panel -> Remove Programs.

    • dpaus
    • 7 years ago

    They’re still behind the 8-ball, but their plan is solid. Execution has always been their challenge, but I hope they can deliver on this.

    Investors seem to think so; their stock (and Intel’s) are both up marginally this morning, but Nvidia’s is still down 3% (which is slightly better than it was last night)

    • Arclight
    • 7 years ago

    “In this hour of victory, We taste only defeat. I ask why.
    We are AMD, guardians of all that exists in computing.
    The roots of the PC world have grown deep under our careful tending. Where there is an application, the wisdom of our countless generations, has saturated the source code.
    Our strength is a luminous melted sillicon piece, towards which all interconnects blossoms…
    And the impervious heatsink beneath which it has prospered.
    I stand before you.
    Accused of the sin of assuring AMD’s ascendancy…
    Of attempting to save us from this fate where we are forced to… Recede…”

    ~Rory Forerunner Read.

    • odizzido
    • 7 years ago

    10 or 9 inch quality temash laptops please.

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      Those are called “netbooks”

        • MadManOriginal
        • 7 years ago

        Bbbut netbooks suck, and they’re dead!

    • albundy
    • 7 years ago

    nothing to see here for me. guess i will stick with my phenom 2 for a little while longer then.

      • Chrispy_
      • 7 years ago

      If you’re expecting and AMD replacement for your Phenom II, you might be waiting for a very long time.

        • just brew it!
        • 7 years ago

        Piledriver may still be a worthwhile bump if he’s got multi-threaded workloads. Or if games get better at exploiting 6+ threads.

    • Anonymous Coward
    • 7 years ago

    I must have missed something, but I certainly wasn’t expecting so much activity around the Trinity market so quickly. I guess AMD must be benefiting from automated design tools in a big way.

    • just brew it!
    • 7 years ago

    So AMD’s desktop roadmap is entirely APU now? I guess I am not surprised, though I am somewhat disappointed.

    Or is there another “power desktop” roadmap? Not that it really matters, they’ve already effectively ceded most of that market to Intel.

      • Rand
      • 7 years ago

      They’ll probably keep it around since it’s so easy to just rebadge and strip out the SMP on the Opteron’s and I very much doubt they’ll drop those.
      It’s not exactly a market AMD has any real foothold in though, and it’s a tiny enough market their probably comfortable just ignoring aside from periodic releases. Who uses the FX aside from enthusiasts?

      Besides, we already know their sticking with Vishea thoughout all of 2013, so there isn’t anything to talk about until Vishera hits. And that’s a long ways away.

      • stmok
      • 7 years ago

      The current Piledriver-based FX CPUs will be continued throughout 2013 with “product refreshes”…FX/Opteron version of “Steamroller” (28nm) isn’t coming until mid-2014.

      Effectively, there is no roadmap shown for the Performance/Enthusiast segment because there is nothing exciting to talk about! They’re just re-using what they currently have!

      From their Server roadmap I saw back in October 2012, I reckon AMD will be going fully APU in their desktop (and low-end server) lines by mid-2015 or Q3 2015 with Excavator (or a new architecture)…That’s also when I suspect AMD will do 20nm based products.

      32nm (now) => 28nm (2014-ish) => 20nm (2015-ish)

      Of course, this is an AMD roadmap…And in the last 18 months, they have been subjected to regular change! Take it all as an approx guideline.

        • forumics
        • 7 years ago

        well they have quite significant time to roll out steamroller and because 15% of the company does 85% of the work, they so happen to have around 15% of the original number of engineers left

        i’m going to make an extremely wild guess but steamroller is going to be great, infact MASSIVE. its going to be what haswell is to the original pentium.
        and if i’m extremely wrong, well it doesn’t hurt to keep your hopes up!

          • faramir
          • 7 years ago

          Steamroller will be to the gimp that was Zambezi what Haswell will be to Core2 – very solid upgrade with nice performance gains and clock increases, but nothing earth-shattering (unlike what Core2 was to Netburst).

          Nevertheless, cannot wait for Kaveri ! I just hope AMD will stick with their plan of keeping Kaveri FM2-compatible (they said that successor to Trinity will be FM2-compatible, which was thought to be Kaveri … until Richland came along). Keeping platform compatible with new products for more than a couple of years is a good thing !

      • rwburnham
      • 7 years ago

      At least AMD finally found an area of computing they do better than Intel. If I was buying a tabet or an AIO machine, and I had the choice of an AMD APU or an Intel Atom chip, I’d go with AMD.

    • MadManOriginal
    • 7 years ago

    It’s A series all the way down!

    Not sure what to think of that. It would have been nice to not put entirely different architectures into the same marketing scheme, but if the performance curve is smooth enough and there’s no surprises, like in some tasks one step up or down is radically faster or slower, I guess it’s ok.

    Personally, I am most interested in seeing how Kabini is, it could make a nice low power compact media and basic gaming PC. It might be the ideal SFF HTPC system – silent, low power draw, capable of lower-end to moderate gaming more so than Intel with integrated graphics.

    It’s also a little wacky that Richland will be around for only a few quarters. Kaveri seems like the one to get for anything more demanding than Kabini.

    Here’s hoping AMD can get some decent design wins and exposure!

      • shank15217
      • 7 years ago

      Kabini could also be a very formidable HPC processor. I hope AMD makes use of that.

        • MadManOriginal
        • 7 years ago

        Doubtful. It’s nice for what it is but it isn’t really a powerful CPU. In order to be useful in HPC it would need to be in a huge cluster and the SoC doesn’t have the interconnect to facilitate that. hmm..unless maybe AMD uses Seamicro Freedom Fabric (man, does it pain me to write ‘freedom fabric’) But last I knew they’re using that for ARM servers.

          • shank15217
          • 7 years ago

          you are discounting the gpu, with opencl 1.2 and a decent fabric it is a low power chip with a lot of potential.

      • Hattig
      • 7 years ago

      [quote<]It's also a little wacky that Richland will be around for only a few quarters.[/quote<] Quite clearly it's a bugfixed Trinity - the fact that it runs up to 40% faster in the same TDP would suggest that some power consuming bugs or designs were fixed.

        • forumics
        • 7 years ago

        it didn’t say 40% faster in CPU or GPU applications because getting 40% faster in GPU isn’t difficult considering they have the 8x raedon architecture begging to go into trinity for a while now

    • stmok
    • 7 years ago

    Since we’re talking about CES 2013, I did a little digging on AMD’s presentation…(I’m curious as to what they will bring in the APU lines).

    [b<]CES: AMD Unveils Kabini, Temash Chip Families; Vizio Partnership On PCs, Tabs[/b<] => [url<]http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2013/01/07/ces-amd-launches-kabini-temash-chip-families/[/url<] AMD Press Release: [b<]AMD Unveils Innovative New APUs and SoCs that Give Consumers a More Exciting and Immersive Experience[/b<] => [url<]http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/amd_unveils_new_apus.aspx[/url<] Basic gist...According to AMD Performance Labs: * [u<][b<]Temash[/b<] (Jaguar-based APU for tablets)[/u<] [u<]Testbed:[/u<] * AMD Z-60 APU (Hondo) with Radeon HD 6250 IGP => 1.0Ghz, dual-core => 2x 2GB DDR3-1066 => Windows 7 VS * AMD A6-1450 (Temash) with Radeon HD 8280 IGP => 1.0Ghz, quad-core => 2GB DDR3-1066 => Windows 7 [u<]FutureMark 3DMark Vantage P[/u<] (Synthetic GPU test) => Z-60 (Hondo): [b<]455[/b<] => A6-1450 (Temash): [b<]981[/b<] [u<]PCMark Vantage[/u<] (Synthetic CPU test) => Z-60 (Hondo): [b<]1914[/b<] => A6-1450 (Temash): [b<]3123[/b<] [u<][b<]Kabini[/b<] (Jaguar-based APU for ultrathin notebooks and SFF PCs)[/u<] [u<]Testbed:[/u<] * AMD E2-1800 APU (Brazos 2.0) with Radeon HD 7340 IGP => 1.7Ghz, dual-core => 4GB DDR3-1333 => Windows 7 Ultimate. VS * AMD A6-5200 APU (Kabini) with Radeon HD 8400 IGP => ???Ghz, quad-core? (undisclosed!) => 4GB DDR3-1600 => Windows 8 64bit. [u<]PCMark Vantage[/u<] (Synthetic CPU test) => E2-1800 APU (Brazos 2.0): [b<]2807[/b<] => A6-5200 APU (Kabini): [b<]5271[/b<] [quote<]AMD demonstrated working silicon of its first true system on chip (SoC) APUs, codenamed “Temash” and “Kabini,” which will be the industry’s first quad-core x86 SoCs. [u<]Both APUs are scheduled to ship in the first half of 2013.[/u<][/quote<] [u<][b<]Richland[/b<] (Piledriver-based APU. Mobile versions compared.)[/u<] [u<]Testbed:[/u<] * AMD A10-4600M (Trinity) with Radeon HD 7660G IGP VS * AMD A10-5750M (Richland) with Radeon HD 8650G IGP * AMD A8-4555M (Trinity) with Radeon HD 7600G IGP VS * AMD A8-5545M (Richland) with Radeon HD 8510G IGP All configurations: => 4GB DDR3-1600 (Dual Channel) => Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit [u<]3DMark 11[/u<] => A10-4600M (Trinity): [b<]1150[/b<] => A10-5750M (Richland): [b<]1400[/b<] and => A8-4555M (Trinity): [b<]780[/b<] => A8-5545M (Richland): [b<]1100[/b<] [u<]PCMark 7 Overall benchmark[/u<] => A10-4600M (Trinity): [b<]1965[/b<] => A10-5750M (Richland): [b<]2175[/b<] and => A8-4555M (Trinity): [b<]1650[/b<] => A8-5545M (Richland): [b<]1850[/b<] Speaking of Kaveri APU... [quote<]The follow-on to "Richland" will be the 28nm APU codenamed "Kaveri" with revolutionary heterogeneous system architecture (HSA) features which is expected to begin shipping to customers in the second half of 2013.[/quote<] We'll probably see something in either late-2013 or early-2014 ??? The [b<]AMD CES 2013 presentation slides[/b<] can be found here... => [url<]http://www.slideshare.net/AMD/amd-ces-2013-press-conference[/url<] Most of it is fluff. Nothing much to talk about. * Both Jaguar-based [b<]Kabini[/b<] and [b<]Temash[/b<] APUs will be officially marketed as [b<]A4[/b<] and [b<]A6[/b<] APUs. They are [u<]made on the 28nm process[/u<]. * The Piledriver-based [b<]Richland[/b<] (aka: Trinity 2.0) APU will be officially marketed as [b<]A8[/b<] and [b<]A10[/b<] APUs. They are [u<]made on the existing 32nm process[/u<]. Overall? * [b<]Richland[/b<] is incrementally faster than [b<]Trinity[/b<] in CPU performance. The biggest performance improvement is the GPU-based IGP. * The Jaguar-based [b<]Temash[/b<] and [b<]Kabini[/b<] are a major improvement over existing [b<]Hondo[/b<] and [b<]Brazos 2.0[/b<] respectively (in both CPU and IGP performance). * AMD is getting rid of [b<]Z-series[/b<] and [b<]E-series[/b<] marketing designations. It'll all be [b<]A-series[/b<] by the end of 2013. *UPDATE* AMD 2013 roadmap! => [url<]http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/4998/amd2013roadmapzps90ed6b.jpg[/url<] *CORRECTION* => AMD is getting rid of [b<]Z-series[/b<] and [b<]C-series[/b<] marketing designations. It'll be [b<]A-series[/b<] and [b<]E-series[/b<] by the end of 2013.

      • tbone8ty
      • 7 years ago

      nice good digging 😉

      I wanna know what are the changes to Richland over Trinity

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      Temash looks good. It’ll be interesting to see how it compares to Bay Trail

        • jensend
        • 7 years ago

        Temash and Kabini are supposed to ship this quarter while Bay Trail is targeted for next Christmas.

        I’m pretty sure I’ve seen you post something along the lines of “this may be interesting, but [b<]just wait[/b<] and see how this imminent product release compares to INTC's [b<]still-about-a-year-away[/b<] products" at least two other times. Apparently a fab node advantage, 55x the market cap along with all the R&D funding differences that entails, etc aren't enough to deliver the caliber of miraculous victories the adulators of INTC expect to see- a nine-month time machine is needed as well.

          • NeelyCam
          • 7 years ago

          [quote<]Temash and Kabini are supposed to ship this quarter while Bay Trail is targeted for next Christmas.[/quote<] I took it to mean "shipping to customers", meaning tablet makers. Do you have a link to an official AMD statement about when these systems are in stock at retailers? [quote<]this may be interesting, but just wait and see how this imminent product release compares to INTC's still-about-a-year-away products[/quote<] Imminent? Are you serious? Chips going to Asus et al. in "second half of 2013", meaning June.. I wouldn't call that 'imminent'. I think these are going to available at Best buy pretty much at the same time as Bay Trail tablets, in which case people should wait for independent reviews of both (instead of AMD-run "demos" comparing unreleased AMD products to already available Intel products) Look - I know that you, as a devout AMD fanboi, really want AMD to succeed this time, and that the last few years have been full of CPU disappointment (e.g. Bulldozer) while NVidia is running away with profits. I understand that you are frustrated. But expecting miraculous victories against all odds is just lying to yourself, and setting yourself up for more disappointment. Don't do it

            • Hattig
            • 7 years ago

            [quote<]instead of AMD-run "demos" comparing unreleased AMD products to already available Intel products[/quote<] But you don't have problems with Intel-run "demos" comparing unreleased Intel products to already available ARM-based products?

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Anything companies themselves demo is suspect – I’m always waiting for reviews from independent sites like Anandtech

            • jensend
            • 7 years ago

            No idea where you get the notion these are “going to Asus et al in second half of 2013.”

            A June release was what old leaked roadmaps etc from earlier last year said. (June is not the second half of the year, by the by; you may wish to revisit your first grade classroom for instruction on dividing by two.) [url=http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/display/20130102205444_AMD_to_Officially_Roll_Out_Kabini_and_Temash_Low_Power_APUs_This_Quarter.html<]Info from CES etc has said Q1[/url<]. That makes sense in light of the comments AMD made about an increased tablet etc focus after the restructuring last year. Intel's claims about having Bay Trail tablets selling for Christmas are surprising since before CES signs pointed to shipping to manufacturers early next year (which apparently is still the target for the non-tablet versions, according to [url=http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=9602732#post9602732<]the slides leaked last week[/url<]). I'm not an "AMD fanboi," and the way you immediately run to that tired ad hominem every time someone disagrees with you, because you have no real argument, is pretty sad. I've purchased a total of one AMD product ever. I have applauded the HD 4000 as Intel's first serious GPU and have recommended IVB laptops to those I know (none of them were going to be doing enough gaming to make either Trinity or IVB+discrete setups attractive). Unlike some around here, neither am I an Intel shill or an Intel worshiper, nor do I have bets riding on anyone. I am, however, unapologetically a fan of competitive markets rather than monopoly pricing and monopolistic abuse of market power. I'm not the one expecting miraculous victories; I'm under no delusion that Temash will trounce Bay Trail on general CPU performance. Silvermont (out-of-order and no hyperthreading, unlike Bonnell) should at least be close to Jaguar on IPC, the core/thread counts will be equal, and with Intel's fab node advantage and the resources they've been able to pour into power optimization, they'll be able to clock Bay Trail significantly higher than AMD can clock Temash while fitting tablet power and thermal constraints. But in your salivating anticipation of glorious INTC victory, you've been counting on that time machine. Temash will be ahead of its competitors at its release too.

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            If Temash-based tablets will be available in June, all the partners would be showing them in CES right now. Have you seen any yet? I haven’t. All they are showing are Hondo-based ones.

            My guess is still that these tablets will be available in October +/- one month. Feel free to disagree – we’ll see later this year who was right

      • shank15217
      • 7 years ago

      in other words Richland will whoop Haswell igp and finally get some notebook design wins that trinity deserved.

        • NeelyCam
        • 7 years ago

        Trinity didn’t get them, and Richland is only a bit better… but will have to go against much stronger competition (Haswell). Why do you think Richland has a better chance of getting those design wins..?

        If anything, looking at these benchmarks I’d conclude that it’s possible Haswell will claim the IGP victory this year.

      • stmok
      • 7 years ago

      I have amended the 2013 AMD processor roadmap at the bottom of the original post.

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