Report: Intel’s Haswell to launch on June 2

We already know a little bit about Haswell. We know it’s a new processor that will succeed Ivy Bridge on the same 22-nm process, and we know it will have a revamped architecture with likely higher performance per clock. Now, we might even be able to mark Haswell’s launch day on our calendars.

The folks at DigiTimes say "sources from PC players" tipped them off to Intel’s schedule, which purportedly calls for Haswell to debut on June 2—just ahead of the Computex trade show. This year’s Computex will run from June 4 through June 8 in Taipei, Taiwan, and DigiTimes says "related PC products" will be on display there. If this rumor checks out, I assume we’ll see some Haswell-powered motherboards, notebooks, and quite possibly tablets.

Oh, and word from DigiTimes’ sources is that Haswell will make up 14-16% of Intel’s shipments in the third quarter. That’s supposed to be Intel’s internal forecast.

If it does debut in early June, Haswell probably won’t be the only new processor on display at Computex. At CES earlier this month, AMD revealed that its Kabini system-on-a-chip should be out by mid-year. AMD’s roadmap also suggests that Trinity’s successor, Richland, will be released before then.

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    • michael_d
    • 7 years ago

    Hopefully by the end of 2014 there will be X89 or X99 with octo-core CPU. Finally I will be able to upgrade.

      • ULYXX
      • 7 years ago

      We would need a strong competitor to make them unleash those kind of things.

    • chuckula
    • 7 years ago

    Ars just did an interesting review of an Ivy Bridge tablet that is *not* using the new 13 watt ultra-low power parts (Acer W700).

    Here’s the review: [url<]http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/01/review-acers-iconia-w700-is-an-ultrabook-in-a-tablets-body/[/url<] Here's an interesting tidbit from the review for anyone who thinks that it is impossible for x86 to run in a tablet: [quote<]Finally, there's the matter of battery life—the Aspire S7's battery life was probably the worst thing about it, and since it and the W700 are so close on the inside we didn't expect much from its battery either. To our surprise, the W700 lasted just shy of six hours in general use with the screen brightness cranked—the same conditions killed the S7's battery in just three and a half hours. You're likely to get even better battery life if you leave the screen's automatic brightness sensor on or turn the brightness down—even if you don't get quite to iPad or Nexus 10 levels, you should be able to squeeze a whole work day out of this battery if you're careful.[/quote<] Looking at the performance numbers, there is a WIDE gap between the performance of ARM chips and x86 in this space, and that gap is wider than the battery life gap working against Intel. I have no reason to believe that Haswell can't go a long way to closing the battery life gap between x86 and the very-high end ARM tablets (lower end ARM chips still have advantages simply because their maximum power draw isn't that high... but you lose performance in the process).

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      Actually, when you compare Acer W700 and Nexus 10, W700 lasted 6h while Nexus 10 lasted 8-9h (I’m not sure which benchmark Ars used for W700, but those light-use benchies were in that ballpark). But, W700 has a 4850mAh battery while Nexus 10 has a 9000mAh battery.

      So, to me it looks like W700 is also more power efficient.

      EDIT: OAS pointed out that the Nexus battery has a much lower Wh rating. Acer W700 battery has the three cells in series, upping the voltage. It’s a great way to have more energy while keeping a low mAh rating in your spec sheet to make your product seem more efficient than it actually is…

        • chuckula
        • 7 years ago

        That’s a good point.. I had assumed roughly equivalent battery sizes, but (assuming the pack voltages are consistent) it might turn out that Acer is being Acer and cheaping out on the battery.

        [EDIT: TR needs to have non-anonymous downthumbs. To whoever randomly downthumbed me for discussing facts instead of barfing up the pro-ARM propaganda: Please post detailed facts regarding the batteries in each of the aforementioned tablets to show just how they compare to each other, then make an *intelligent* conclusion based on that factual information… I dare you]

          • NeelyCam
          • 7 years ago

          [quote<]TR needs to have non-anonymous downthumbs.[/quote<] What's the fun in that..?

            • chuckula
            • 7 years ago

            Who just downthumbed you there? I HAVE NO IDEAR!

        • chuckula
        • 7 years ago

        For all the fact-haters out there: [url<]http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/14/acer-iconia-w700-review/[/url<] In the Engadget review a battery test with looped video, 65% display brightness and wifi turned on resulted in the Nexus 10 having a... wait for it... 13 minute longer battery life than the Ivy Bridge machine. [Edit: An Ivy Bridge tablet that I may add is *not* even using the newest low-power Ivy Bridge parts.. I can't wait for the fanboys to come out and say how it is physically impossible for Intel to come up with 13 minutes of additional battery life with Haswell....]

          • End User
          • 7 years ago

          Engadget: “We’ll admit, the Nexus 10 offers skimpy battery life (we complained about it in our initial review)”

          A better comparo is with the 2048×1536 tablet that has 235 minute longer battery life than the W700.

          If we are going to talk about Haswell then we have to talk about next gen ARM CPU/GPUs as well. I’m going to wait and see how things look in the fall before I buy my next tablet.

          Edit: Holy crap – the W700 is $900 for a Core i5 CPU with ONLY 64GB of storage (40GB free?)! Hell no.

            • chuckula
            • 7 years ago

            1. The Nexus 10 *is* next-generation ARM (Cortex A-15, next generation GPU, etc.). It’s probably the tablet using the best ARM chip available on the market and is a very recently introduced chip.

            2. Can you please show me the link to the unnamed 2048×1536 tablet that somehow destroys the W700’s battery life by 235 minutes? It’s not in the Engadget article so I’d like to see how that tablet compares (and how big the battery is).

            3. I agree that the W700 is pricy. Part of that is the Windows 8 license, and trust me I’d love to see a non-Windows 8 based machine using this hardware. Even with the Windows 8 tax, a 64 GB iWhatever or 64GB Nexus isn’t going for $200 by any stretch either. EDIT: For example, a 32 GB Nexus 10 is $500.. take off $100 for the Windows tax and you are looking at a $300 differential for a tablet that is much more capable and includes twice the storage while having similar battery life… is that an insane ripoff?

            • OneArmedScissor
            • 7 years ago

            The i3 W700 has been $750 since the day that Windows 8 came out, [b<]including[/b<] the dock and keyboard. It's a considerably better deal than probably any Atom convertible. With the 1080p IPS screen, it's also a better deal than many laptops or "ultrabooks." That is the price ceiling and it can only go down from there. There will be Pentium equivalents for $500, or even less, before you know it. That's almost the case already: [url<]http://www.staples.com/Asus-S200E-RHI3T73-116-Multitouch-Laptop/product_101506?cid=PS:GooglePLAs:101506&KPID=101506[/url<]

        • OneArmedScissor
        • 7 years ago

        W700 is 54 watt. That’s why it weighs so much. Nexus 10 is 33.75 watt.

        [url<]http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model-datasheet/NT.L0EAA.003[/url<] There is an updated version coming out with the 13w Ivy Bridge, and it has a smaller battery. We'll soon see if it's possible to squeeze more blood from this turnip.

          • chuckula
          • 7 years ago

          Interesting data (thank you). Apple crams in a 42.5 Watt Hour battery into the newer iPads (full sized ones).
          Obviously a 17 Watt Ivy Bridge isn’t going to be using less power than even a high-end ARM chip, but at the same time, if you are willing to have a somewhat larger tablet then why not put in a bigger battery (that could go for ARM too).

          P.S. –> Where are you getting the 22.75 WH figure from? I have seen 9000 mAH all around, but obviously you need voltage to truly get the full size of the battery.

          [s<]This article estimates the size of the battery at a much beefier 45 WH: [url<]http://www.zdnet.com/google-nexus-10-review-7000006821/[/url<] "Google claims around 7 hours of web browsing and 9 hours of video watching for the Nexus 10, which given that it probably has around a 45Wh battery — Google only specifies the current capacity of 9000mAh (9Ah), but it's going to be a single cell Li-polymer — means that it takes around 7 watts. Given the maximum you can take from an ordinary USB port is 2.5W, some care is needed to manage power usage if you're away from a proper charger for any length of time. We didn't have time to run a full battery discharge test, but will update this review later with actual data."[/s<] EDIT: Ahh.. found the battery information: [url<]http://www.powerbookmedic.com/wordpress/2012/11/16/google-nexus-10-take-apart-first-look[/url<] " Remove the 11 Philips #00 screws holding down the battery. The battery lifts up and out. Battery Specs: Samsung Li-Ion 3.75V 22.75Wh 9000 mah SP3496A8H. GB/T18287-2000 " Although doing basic math: 9 AH * 3.75V = 33.75 Wh ... so why doesn't the label line up with the rated numbers???

            • OneArmedScissor
            • 7 years ago

            Sorry, typo: 33.75 watts:

            [url<]http://www.powerbookmedic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/photo.jpg[/url<] From this tear down: [url<]http://www.powerbookmedic.com/wordpress/2012/11/16/google-nexus-10-take-apart-first-look[/url<]

          • NeelyCam
          • 7 years ago

          Ah, thanks for that info. I should’ve known it sounded too good to be true… I didn’t know the Wh ratings, but I just assumed that since they were both Lithium polymer batteries, the voltage would be the same.. I didn’t imagine Acer would put the three cells [i<]in series[/i<] instead of in parallel. Of course, it makes perfect sense - this is a great way to trick unsuspecting (supposed) tech enthusiasts like me... I know to be more suspicious next time

    • anotherengineer
    • 7 years ago

    June 1st, Neely goes on a major bender to celebrate 😉

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      If “notebooks” means “ultrabooks”, then hell yeah!

      EDIT: no, actually, I’ll look around first, see what kind of options are out there. With Ivy ultrabooks there seems to be a lot of variance in terms of battery life… some OEMs don’t seem to get all the power management features working right.

      But if there is something like an Asus Zenbook UX21A like ultrabook with a Haswell in it, I’d be very interested

    • flip-mode
    • 7 years ago

    OK, 6 months till I move to DDR3, SATA3, USB3 … I can make it …

    May as well jump on the first round of Haswell. Sandy > Ivy has shown that prices won’t drop much and performance won’t increase much from the tock to the tick, so “waiting for the price drop” is a thing of the past.

      • DarkUltra
      • 7 years ago

      Maybe the type of TIM should decide for you
      [url<]http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/sebuncha/20120511_532119.html[/url<]

        • flip-mode
        • 7 years ago

        I won’t be overclocking, but regardless it’s hard to tell ahead of time if Intel plans to change TIM from one year to the next. Hopefully the reaction to the TIM on Ivy will cause Intel to use better TIM on Haswell, but it won’t affect my decision in any case. Even crummy TIM on a Haswell with DDR3, SATA3, and USB3 is better than where I’m at with an X4 955 with DDR2, SATA2, USB2.

        • tfp
        • 7 years ago

        Any Tim is better than no Tim at all.

      • NeelyCam
      • 7 years ago

      Prices might not drop anytime soon, but I’d see how benchies/prices are vs. Richland before jumping

        • flip-mode
        • 7 years ago

        Anything is possible, but I’ve “waited for AMD” enough times to have learned not to do it anymore.

          • NeelyCam
          • 7 years ago

          I’m sure you could wait for 2-3 weeks… no? If Richland is ‘not-delayed’ beyond that, then maybe reconsider

    • themattman
    • 7 years ago

    This may be the upgrade to my slowly aging Yorkfield Q9450, but then again I may decide to push off an upgrade one more year. At least this is a hobby that tends to reward you if you wait and your current setup is good enough.

      • yogibbear
      • 7 years ago

      Still rocking my q9450 too and loving it’s beastliness :). Haswell 4770k though should do me proud.

        • stupido
        • 7 years ago

        pfff… sissies… 😛 I have Q9650 overclocked to 4 jigahurtz…

          • AustinW
          • 7 years ago

          I’m still using a q6600… but it’s pretty limiting in Guild Wars 2. Definitely time for an upgrade.

    • ronch
    • 7 years ago

    Steamroller can’t come too soon. I wonder how Mark Papermaster, Jim Keller and the rest of the gang are doing…

    • Jigar
    • 7 years ago

    Here’s hoping that AMD’s richland holds water against Haswell or else we know this will only trigger to more firing of poor employees.

      • spugm1r3
      • 7 years ago

      That’s the truth. It’s not even about Intel this, or AMD that… if AMD doesn’t show up on this go around, it’ll be bad news for for their employees. And we all know, it’s never the guy that made the decision that gets canned (if he does, it’s with a huge severance package), it’s the “little guys” that work for him.

      • mesyn191
      • 7 years ago

      Don’t get your hopes up. Richland is only supposed to be a moderate revision, not a new arch. Around 10-20% performance increase on the CPU side of things. I would bet things will work out towards the lower end of that estimate rather than the high side.

      This really isn’t too bad though. After all Haswell is only supposed to be around 10% faster per clock than Ivy Bridge. Intel hasn’t really be pushing CPU performance or clock speed all that much. They’ve been blowing their resources and R&D budget on reducing power usage and improving GPU performance these last few years at a minimum. Which really is the smart thing to do and something they should’ve started doing earlier since AMD hasn’t been able to really compete on CPU performance outside the low end of things for quite a while now.

      Steamroller is still supposed to be the big major revision but that will probably not come out until 2014 or a verrry late 2013 at best. AMD’s big advantage will likely still be with their better GPU’s. Richland is supposed to get around a 40% performance improvement on the GPU side of things, at least for the 19W versions. We’ll have to wait and see to know for sure but it doesn’t sound unrealistic at all to expect AMD to hold a lead in APU/iGPU performance by a decent amount.

        • bcronce
        • 7 years ago

        Did Steamroller get pushed back? Last I read(over 6 months ago), it was supposed to be spring ’13

          • mesyn191
          • 7 years ago

          Yea. [url<]http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20121122235832_AMD_s_Steamroller_High_Performance_Core_Slips_to_2014_Excavator_May_Face_Delays.html[/url<]

          • Kougar
          • 7 years ago

          Yes, rather disappointing really. [url=https://techreport.com/news/23876/leaked-roadmap-suggests-no-steamroller-desktop-chips-next-year<]Link[/url<]

      • ronch
      • 7 years ago

      Richland will probably compete only with the Core i3-class SKUs, not with the i5 and i7 models. In terms of performance I’m not really expecting Richland to put AMD in a much better position. Here’s hoping the power numbers are a lot better, since that’s where Intel seems to be moving their focus with Haswell.

        • NeelyCam
        • 7 years ago

        Richland could be running faster than its predecessors, and could be smaller (=cheaper to make) making it cheaper.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 7 years ago

      Well then, it’s good Richland is only on the roadmap for 6 months.

      • HisDivineOrder
      • 7 years ago

      I’m not sure any processor is going to save AMD at this point. Intel looks to be about to remedy most if not all of their GPU disadvantage and they completely destroy AMD’s performance or power/performance argument. Plus, AMD seems to be having a lot of trouble getting OEM contracts.

      AMD used to get contracts on the basis of being cheap and x86 was required for the market to continue. With ARM’s new prominence, AMD is just not necessary any more. Intel’s biggest threat is not another x86 maker, but another CPU tech entirely. AMD can switch to ARM or they can stick with x86, but in either place they’re showing up too late to effect much change or be relevant to the market of either.

      Plus, they have some serious execution issues. Steamroller is advertised as the “it” thing, but then it’s delayed. Bulldozer was nothing but a long, painful execution problem and Trinity took way too long to come after Llano with too little real benefit. Their GPU business is solid for now, but Intel is threatening to bring that whole thing down with increasing focus on improving their iGPU’s.

      I don’t know what space AMD is left. They’re either fighting Goliath in x86 or the Titans in ARM. In either place, they don’t have a lot of relevance. Plus, they have lost a LOT of great people who were in place and replaced them with people who won’t have any material effect on their new products for years to come.

      AMD needs a small miracle. Or a loan. Or maybe just a buyout.

    • chuckula
    • 7 years ago

    This is not the FIRST I’ve heard of a June 2 release date, but Richland may be launching sooner than expected (unless “launching” means shipping to OEMs and we don’t see the products for 6 more months).

      • Prestige Worldwide
      • 7 years ago

      I’ll be THIRD in line to pick up a new motherboard and the Haswell equivalent of the 3570k.

        • [+Duracell-]
        • 7 years ago

        Who’s going to be first and second?

          • Prestige Worldwide
          • 7 years ago

          Chuckula and Jigar will be first and second, as they both posted before me 🙂

          The i5 750 at the heart of my rig is still quite competent when paired with a GTX 670, but I want my girlfriend to start playing PC games and would like to upgrade to Haswell and create a secondary gaming rig based on the 750 and maybe a GTX 650/660 or 7850 for her to play on.

          At times she gets annoyed with my gaming when she would prefer I be spending time with her doing something we can both do, like watching TV or what have you…,

          My evil plan is to slowly introduce her to PC gaming and FPS gradually through non-violent games and eventually make her be a CEVO-P uberpwner in shooting games.

          Step 1: Get her to play Portal and Portal 2. Then we’ll play Portal 2 Coop together.
          Step 2: Coop shooter games like L4D, Killing Floor, etc. Maybe BF3 coop as well.
          Step 3: Competitive FPS, FEAR Combat, COD4 Promod, Quake Live, CS:GO, etc.
          Step 4: ??????
          Step 5: Profit

            • Wirko
            • 7 years ago

            Step 6: She builds a SLI rig herself. It’s poorly designed and overheats allt the time because, you know, women are bad at engineering. In your opinion it should go up in flames in less than a week.
            Step 7: Her computer works for a year and a half because, you know, women are incredibly lucky at engineering. Eventually it breaks down completely, with lots of smoke.
            Step 8: She remembers that, in a distant past, there used to be things like sex in this world.
            Step 9: Reminds you of that. Reminds you again.
            Step 10: **********

            • NeelyCam
            • 7 years ago

            Maybe you should let her play with the better rig if you wanted her to really enjoy it

            • Prestige Worldwide
            • 7 years ago

            Good point, Neely.

            I was just figuring that I shouldn’t invest too heavily in case my experiment fails and she wants nothing to do with that stuff and I’m stuck paying for high-end parts I don’t use. Perhaps if I picked up another GTX 670 instead of a 650/660/7850, I could at least SLI them and incorporate the other parts into the better rig if she doesn’t like it. Honestly I’m very happy with the performance I get with an i5 750 / GTX 670 combo, but I don’t know if somebody new to mid-to-high-end PC gaming would even be able to detect the nuances between the performance of the two platforms…

            I’ll keep my eyes peeled for deals on NCIX when the time comes 🙂

            Anyway, thanks for that great counterpoint, I’ll keep it in mind come June. In the meantime I have more important expenses to concern myself with, like property taxes and maybe a diamond ring…….

        • Forge
        • 7 years ago

        Heh, and you have no idea who might already be running such chips, since the NDAs are grim and fearsome. 🙂

      • willmore
      • 7 years ago

      You mean like the Llamo launch? That was disappointing.

      So, given the small portion of their shipments that they expect Haswell to make up, are we assuming this launch will be like the IVB launch where we don’t see desktop parts for a good quarter+ after the laptop parts show up?

      I assume that’s the subtext here as Kabini is a mobile part and not really a ‘desktop’ part. Richland is an APU–which means more in the mobile space than on the desktop.

        • chuckula
        • 7 years ago

        From the rumor mill the delay to Haswell is related to OEMs requesting that Intel hold off a while to let them clear inventory. The high-end desktop & mainline mobile devices should be showing up in June. We’ll have to wait a while (as usual) for lower-end i3s and other parts to show up.

          • willmore
          • 7 years ago

          IVB stuff isn’t selling well? Oh, noes!

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