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Samsung’s latest 13.3” notebook screen has a 3200×1800 resolution

Looks like Samsung has one-upped Sharp. The latter announced a handful of high-PPI notebook screens last week, but now, Samsung is about to demo some even higher-density panels at the the Society for Information Display’s Display Week event in Vancouver, Canada.

The Samsung screens include a 10.1" display with a 2560×1600 resolution, which works out to a whopping 299 pixels per inch. Even more excitingly, there’s a 13.3" notebook screen with a 3200×1800 res. That adds up to 276 PPI, even higher than the 227 PPI of Apple’s 13.3" Retina MacBook Pro. (That system has a 2560×1600 resolution.)

Insanely high pixel densities aren’t the only selling point of those panels. Samsung claims its new babies "each can deliver 30 percent greater power-savings than that of existing LCD tablet displays, by decreasing the number of driver circuits and increasing the efficiency of the LED BLU [back light unit]." High-PPI screens tend to require more juice than their lower-density brethren, so that’s good news.

In case you missed our report last week, the Sharp displays we talked about included 11.6" and 13.3" offerings with a 2560×1600 resolution, plus 14" and 15.6" panels with a 3200×1800 resolution. Pixel densities were 253, 221, 262, and 235 PPI, respectively. That’s still desirable, no question about it—but Samsung may have taken back the high-PPI crown, at least when it comes to notebook screens.

0 responses to “Samsung’s latest 13.3” notebook screen has a 3200×1800 resolution

  1. Thanks for bringing this up. Further proof can be found in printers. Go up the scale from 150DPI printers, to 300DPI printers… to 600DPI printers and up to 1200+ DPI printers. You’ll be able to see and feel the difference.

    If the “resolution” of printers is anything to say… then the limits of the typical human is ~600 DPI, although professionals will want to work with ~1200 DPI.

    Still, printers go up to 2400×2400 DPI for a reason: the human eye is actually pretty good at fine resolutions, far better than what Apple “retina” marketers would have you believe.

  2. 1080p at 21″ is ~100DPI. It’s only 4/5ths of 125, but that’s moderately close.

    Of course, I want higher DPI displays too! I’m tired of having to force buggy SSAA in games to make use of my overpriced GPU! ( ´◔‿ゝ◔`)

  3. Studies from Japan find that you need ~670 DPI before it starts to become really “impossible” to resolve individual pixels.

    These displays aren’t even [b<]close[/b<] to that. Apple's "Retina" marketing is just BS, as usual (for both Apple and marketing).

  4. It was dubbed Retina for a reason, going beyond this level is a waste of CPU/GPU power and human eyes can’t perceive the difference.

    I also wonder about the waste of resources (rare earth minerals) and the increased stress and suicide of factory workers.

  5. Your typical 2560×1440 monitor has roughly 110dpi going for it. Personally, I’m not so crazy about ultra high dpi on the desktop, seeing as I sit several feet from my monitor, but the lack of screen space is rather frustrating.

  6. Unfortunately, other companies only do something new when Apple does it first. We need to somehow convice Apple to update their Cinema display range with “retina” resolution panels, and then every other manufacturer will fall into line behind them, and the market will suddenly be flooded with ultra-high-density panels, just like the laptop, tablet, and phone markets have done.

    I wish it wasn’t this way, but for some reason manufacturers all seem to have gotten into this bizarre mindset that nothing is worth taking a risk on unless Apple have taken the first step.

  7. Alright everyone, desktop monitors don’t exist in this post-PC era, nobody’s using high-powered rigs with massive multi monitor setups for anything, it’s all being done on tablets with ten thousand PPI these days

  8. Yep, you do – it’s not ideal, but I’d wager that a bilinear-filtered 1600×900 displayed on a 3200×1800 display still looks pretty good.

    Hell, we spend enough effort with cleartype and antialiasing trying to soften overly-sharp things already, a little bit of interpolation is better than being limited to 1366×768 on a nasty TN panel 😉

  9. You jumped into the middle of this discussion that stemmed from my supposition that the panel which is the topic of the news post will scale everything to 100%. 1600×900 is what I think will be the effective resolution, not the actual one, for these panels. I wasn’t clear for people who didn’t read the whole thread, my bad.

  10. You’re neglecting to factor in interpolation processing. Not seeing individual pixels is nice, but you still suffer from some blurring due to the bilinear filter that gets applied.

  11. It’s not quite so simple as that, though. Under Windows you have 2 choices:

    1) Enable 200% DPI scaling. Cry as you witness the number of apps that utterly fail to scale properly, leaving you with buttons that exceed app boundaries and/or or UI elements that just plain do things they shouldn’t.

    2) Set the display to 1600×900. Stand helpless as blood poors forth from your eyes as they behold the blurry bilinear resized mess that stands before them; but hey, at least it actually works.

    Taking out the hyperbole, you still either you risk having very odd things happening with your user experience, or you mitigate that risk at the expense of never actually benefiting from those extra pixels you bought.

    Please bear in mind that these comments are coming from someone who has been wanting higher resolution displays for… well, well over a decade now. It makes me sad that Apple actually came from behind and did it better even though their scaling solution is so objectively batsh*t insane.

  12. Not really sure why you say buyers are “punished’ for purchasing cutting-edge hardware. At worst, it’s no worse than a 1600×900 display (pixel-doubled), but if even one app/browser/whatever supports that density, it’s a net gain.

    Whether you think it’s worth the premium is another matter, but it’s still hardly punishment.

  13. Compared to the sorry @$$ state that desktop displays are in right now, it may as well be retina class…

  14. [quote<]High-PPI screens tend to require more juice than their lower-density brethren...[/quote<] So... they should bring that stuff to desktop displays already then where its not a concern and where the increased number of pixels would actually be more useful...

  15. 1366×768 or freaking double the pixels of 1080p. FFS notebook makers, why did you all but stop having decent options in between for so long…1600×900 is fine for a 13-14″ laptop.

  16. [url<]http://www.microcenter.com/product/384780/EQ276W_27-Inch_IPS_LED_Monitor,_WQHD_2560x1440,_HDMI,_DVI-D,_DisplayPort,_USB[/url<] I like mine.

  17. My examples are exactly like today’s. Those old processors cost more and used more power yet gained no immediate benefit from their forward looking features. Only later when software came did 32 and 64bit processors help. Until then it was all compatibility mode just like running a 3200×1800 panel in 1600×900 mode.

    Interesting to see where advancement is coming from today, in smartphones and tablets people buy for themselves. The PCs bought by the “enterprise” crowd are crap stuck in a rut. Could it be because the people using the machines are not the ones paying the check? Could it be the enterprise buyers have their locked in contracts and don’t actually give a rat’s ass what users are stuck working with? It may not always be the case, just a good bet.

    Real advancement happens a piece at a time and some piece has to come first. If you want to wait for someone to pull it all together and tie a bow on top you can do that. Progress will happen despite you.

  18. As far as I’m concerned, there’s no reason for that monitor to sell a penny above $50. I don’t know how these old items can keep their list prices for so long, as they are just wasting space in inventory.

  19. Seriously standard IPS panels are the way to go. Too bad I can’t find a single vendor willing to sell them on a hardware configuration that meets our needs in lots of 1K. We’d buy them in a heartbeat. I’ve already been hit by marketing people from Dell and HP to see if we’d be interested in high DPI screens though. WTF. Too bad that ship saled again though, and our CTO punted rather than growing a pair and doing what was right for our employees.

  20. The 13″ MacBook Pro with Retina Display is 226.98 DPI.
    The 15″ MacBook Pro with Retina Display is 220.53 DPI.
    The Sony Vaio VGN-Z11WN/B Laptop with a 13.1″ 1600×900 display is only 140.13 DPI.
    So your wrong…compared to what Apple calls “retina”…it’s not even close. Sorry.

  21. The products you’re citing, with specific exceptions, didn’t fundamentally break the user experience. The move from 8 to 16 bit was painful if my memory servers… 16 to 32 wasn’t so bad. 32 to 64 was utterly painless except for just waiting for the software to come out to use it. I even did open source 64 bit code just to have something to run on my 64bit processor.

    You think you’re making a point, but you’re not really. I understand how resolution works. What you apparently don’t get, is just how monumentally crappy the experience of trying to stare at information for a 40″ panel at ‘normal’ DPI is on a 13.3″ screen.

    Panels don’t do anything besides display pixels. Software has to be written do do the doubling. That has to be baked into the OS. That means waiting until at least Windows Blue, but probably not then, because they would have done it in 8 if it was trivial and on their minds. Linux is still trying to catch up, but will probably be fixed sooner than that… this isn’t trivial.

    Just slapping a screen with a high resolution on it isn’t going to fix the laptop industry. It’s got to be a whole stack evolution, and 3rd party devs need to be on board as well to make the applications… It’s a huge problem. So whenever I see news like this get hyped, I get kind of sad.

    Don’t get me started on Apple and the ‘abusive prices’ you pay for them. After having had to source crapware at ‘professional’ prices I have a all new appreciation for how little they gouge compared to what they could command if they wanted. We just paid 900 bucks for a batch of 800 core i3 Workstations because we were locked in by contract. With 4GB of memory, plastic shells and a whole bunch of ‘enterprise software’ packages we’ll have to remove. What a racket the entire PC market is right now. You have crappy low end products, crappy high end products, and preciously little worth buying in the middle because everyone is in a free fall race to the bottom, which is all financed by gouging the hell out of enterprise customers.

    Can’t wait until our MS contract is up and we can kick them, and the rest of this all to the curb.

  22. Just like with the KiraBook, I’m glad things are going this way, but I won’t find this category appealing until Windows scaling is fixed. Someone needs to create their own scaling method if Microsoft won’t or can’t fix it. Yes, Windows can scale, but it often breaks apps since it’s not simple 1:4 integer scaling like the rMBP. And the category isn’t large enough that enough developers are updating their applications with support for such displays either, again, unlike the rMBP due to the more fragmented hardware of Windows computers.

  23. See my post 180 pixels above. (I’d rather lie and say 280 pixels). Over 12 months old model. Has only 5*10^6:1 contrast ratio. Who ever buys that?

  24. Once Samsung starts putting Atoms on their phones, the CPU suddenly becomes the best component of the package

  25. Id be happy with anything in triple digits. My 27″ monitor has less than half as many pixels as this Samsung screen despite having over 4 times the area.

  26. Higher DPI is good. For people that want it, and for applications that can effectively use it, it’s a godsend.

    For everyone who agrees that Windows’ DPI scaling is horrible, set it to 1600×900 and be done with it. Even if you want different resolutions like 768p or 1080p, the interpolation will be so fine that you’re unlikely to be able to even see the interpolation.

    Basically, non-native resolution only matters when your DPI is so low that you can see individual pixels. That will never be the case with >150DPI for most, non-superhuman beings.

  27. Because the glass substrate that the screens come from is manufactured in a set size that is then cut into individual screens and you can get more screens at 16:9 than at 16:10 even if the 16:9 screens have a slightly larger overall surface area due to less waste glass.

  28. There is comedy in that monitor and it’s price but that example does misrepresent the current market a bit. You can purchase a 1080P IPS 23″ monitor for just $15 more: [url<]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005364&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10487648&PID=1800524&SID=[/url<]

  29. [quote<]/vomit[/quote<] Coincidentially, that's how they came up with the specs.

  30. Like with overhyped smartphones and TVs and cameras, the display will be the best component of the package, the rest not so much.

  31. Totally agreed, but isn’t it much harder to create bigger screens with high DPI (due to errors and such ruining entire large panels)? I thought that was the reason they were effectively doing this transition “bottom up” as they develop their process tech.

  32. But will it have touch? Will the keyboard be any good? How about that touch pad? The thing about laptops is that they are a forced marriage of components. The #1 thing people love about apple is that not component of their laptops typically is shoddy. Everything is really good to great.

  33. There are plenty of no-name Korean 27″ 2560×1440 monitors using the same LG panels used in high end Apple & Dell monitors on ebay for $300-$400 or so. Monoprice has one with just DVI for $390, and one with a full set of input ports for $475, if you want support from a US company.

  34. After playing with a Dell Latitude 10 tablet which is only 768P but is IPS like my desktop TFT I am fed up of the limited choice of IPS panels with laptops.
    Considering how noticeably better a half decent IPS panel is and that it can easily be appreciated by non techies you’d think manufacturers would be pushing this as a way to differentiate their products and I don’t mean just at the high end.
    Many people don’t do anything that requires more than an i3 but might be tempted by an i5 when an i3 with an IPS panel would give them a practical benefit at the same or less cost.

  35. It’s totally “retina” class, compared to what Apple calls “retina” Macbooks.

    (btw, 330-ish DPI is still not high enough to not see individual pixels if the contrast is high enough)

  36. A notebook can have resolutions greater than 1080P (on a 13.3″ screen!!). Yet, 23-24″ are still stuck at 1080P. What a joke.

  37. Many of us would be happy with 125 ppi on the desktop, and we’re not even getting close to that …

  38. Was it an obsession with just shoving out new products with big numbers when x86 processors moved from 16 bit memory addressing to 32? Again when they went from 32 to 64?

    Software always lags. Something has to give or we get stuck in a local minimum like a puddle of water. These new panels will have the ability to run 2:1 mode such as 3200×1800 >> 1600×900 for users with lagging software. The first software step will be doing this per application so old programs work while new look sharp.

    Laptop screens have been stuck in a hole for a long time. Save Apple and a few others with abusive prices you can’t even get IPS, only miserable screens which lose color and contrast at the smallest angle.

    Something has to give. Maybe the laptop folks are starting to realize tablet fever isn’t just because people like tablets. Maybe they are catching on to just how much their laptops suck. I can only hope.

  39. At this point the constraint with GPUs is the TDP so I can’t see that any external factors will inspire the two major players to up their game. Especially as they already have a much larger incentive which is to compete with each other.

  40. I’m all for higher resolutions for desktop monitors but these seem OTT especially when you consider the scaling issues.

  41. Greyscale high definition porn you say? You didn’t? It must have been in my mind.

  42. I hope you step on a pixel and it hurts like a Lego brick! Seriously, tho: These insane resolutions on notebooks will hopefully bring us desktop monitors with better resolutions. Let them be!

  43. There is 3280×2048 and 4096×2560 (the latter being greyscale), but now you’re looking at $13,000, not $1300.

  44. 1600×900 is just fine for a 13 inch notebook anyway. It’s not “retina” class, but it’s crisp. I don’t want retina, I just want crisp. We get it all on overpriced, crappy performing laptops and we get none of it on our workstations that are [i<]designed[/i<] to power that kind of resolution.

  45. this is so gimmicky. how about a 13″ 1600×900 screen instead? i’ll take that

    i wonder tho. does 3200×1800 cover up bad pixels? i mean, individual pixels are virtually invisible at that resolution.

  46. On these super high resolution laptop and tablet screens DPI scaling will be used, eliminating any “space” gains you’d get from the higher resolution. Though if you’re moving from say a 20″ 1680×1050 monitor to a 27″ 2560×1440 you won’t be using scaling.

  47. Preferably at manageable (sub 400 dollar) prices! I woudl think graphics cards manufacturers would have a vested interest in improved resolution too…maybe we could get NVIDA and AMD and all their manufacturing partners to start pushing Samsung, Dell, et al?

  48. Apple seems to have addressed most of the issues with a HighDPI display on a PC, so I figure it’s just a matter of lighting a fire under MS’s ass to get them to push for similar optimization on the PC side.

  49. Android supports scaling more gracefully than most desktop OS’s right now. So aside from the similarity in stats, using this panel is going to be… evil?

  50. On the one hand I’m excited about this. On the other, it seems like manufacturers are just shoving out the biggest numbers they can without giving any thought on user experience or how the panels can be used. It’s wonderful on the one hand because it’s progress we haven’t had in a long time. It’s crap on the other because it creates this chicken and the egg problem.

    DPI Scaling has been part of most OS’s for over a decade now, and no one has paid attention to it because it wasn’t needed. Now it might be needed, but there’s no current applicaton support. So if you pay extra to get one of these monitors you are basically punished by hardware that is appreciably worse than it’s lower priced, less spec’d siblings. Although people MAY begin to start coding solutions around it now, that will take time, and it’s doubtful that PM’s are going to waste time with allowing it in their applications until it reaches some critical mass, which will be in a few years. Until then everyone not using an OS from a decentralized provider (Windows, and to a lower extent Linux) will be punished for purchasing the hardware.

    This obsession with just shoving out new products with big numbers regardless of how useable they might be from manufacturers, and the reticence/inability of software makers to support it, is kind of the definition of what’s been wrong, and what will likely to be wrong with PC’s going forward. This will likely be exacerbated if the profits in mobile continue to dwarf those on the desktop for software makers as well, since that will just steal mindshare from it and exacerbate the issue going forward…

    I’m happy for these screens. Their progress. I just can’t help but feel sorry for anyone who buys one without knowing exactly what they’re going to get for their money and just think’s ‘oh joy, retina on windows at last!’ As things are right now, none of my Dev tools are usable on these high DPI displays so I’d avoid it like the plague. I’d certainly never recommend anyone buy one, and that’s the shame right there.

  51. I’ll gladly dump my two 1680×1050’s for just one affordable 2560×1440/1600. Two big reasons: desktop space, and for those many games that don’t take advantage of multiple monitors.

  52. You need to write this in Korean and send it to the heart of [s<]the swarm[/s<] Samsung.

  53. Windows will most likely scale everything 100% for an effective 1600×900 display, which to me is great for a 13.3″ screen.

    Include me in the pile of people clamoring for higher-DPI desktop displays, though. I’d replace my 21.5″ 1920×1080 with a similarly-sized 2560×1440. I’d also have to replace my GPU, though, I’m sure.

  54. Samsung claims power reduction in the panels but I’m generally curious if that will be offset by the increased load on the GPU now that it has to render more pixels.

  55. So the industry can deliver cheap 15.6″ panels at 3200×1800 for laptop and 50″ 3840×2160 for ‘TV’

    But no one can build a 30″ monitor with better then >2560 ? And even those are still ~$1300…

    And they wonder why the desktop is dying a slow death.. sigh.

  56. I hate to say this but Windows has had scaling since XP. The problem is the applications are generally unaware of it (it’s never been a big issue before so it was just generally ignored in the more lines of code = more points of failure mentality so it made sense not to code for it unless your target audience was the elderly and partially sighted). Maybe the OS can implement brute force scaling like OS X, but that has issues with applications that aren’t designed for it as well, although not as badly as if it didn’t have it and performance issues (just scrolling on a Retna Macbook can push the GPU on current gen hardware).

    In any case something needs to break. At least applications from here forward should be generally more aware of high DPI, so applications in the next few years should be able to handle it better.

  57. That Samsung 10.1 is very close to the Nexus 10’s “10.055” (wikipedia) 2560×1600 panel.

  58. Why does it have to be a 16:9 display? I want more 16:10 or maybe even 3:2 displays. For tablets I also like 4:3 ratios.

  59. Yeah, I’m sure that 10,000,000:1 contrast ratio is a lot more enjoyable than last year’s 5,000,000:1.

  60. Meanwhile on the desktop scene: [url<]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116564[/url<]

  61. Here’s to hoping WinBlue will have a clue what to do with all them pixels.

  62. I’m sorry but if there’s enough market demand for 13.3″ 3200×1800 screens, there’s MORE than enough demand for 24″ 2560×1600 screens.