Despite mounting evidence, AMD insists Kaveri not delayed

Despite repeated denials by AMD, evidence of a delay to Kaveri is mounting.

The 28-nm APU has appeared on multiple official roadmaps, and each one has pointed to a 2013 release. The most recent roadmap, which was published in May, suggests Kaveri was supposed to be around during a good chunk of 2013:

Earlier this month, VR-Zone saw documents that suggested Kaveri would begin shipping this year but wouldn’t actually be available in the channel until mid-February. The site then quoted a statement from AMD, which said Kaveri was "on track" and would "start shipping to customers in Q4 2013." However, the statement added that "first public availability in the desktop component channel" was scheduled for "very early in Q1 2014."

After seeing the VR-Zone story, we asked AMD for clarification. Had the schedule for Kaveri changed? "At Computex this past June," the company replied, "we committed to begin shipment of Kaveri toward the end of 2013, this has not changed."

Now, weeks later, DigiTimes has chimed in on the story. Quoting its "sources from the upstream supply chain," the site says AMD has indeed updated its product roadmap—and that updated roadmap now shows Kaveri making its debut in the first quarter of next year. The report mentions high-end chips specifically, though the term may be somewhat of a misnomer. Remember, the most expensive Richland-based APU is selling for only $150 right now.

AMD has thus far chosen its words carefully on Kaveri. It hasn’t admitted to a delay, but the evidence certainly suggests otherwise. Gigabyte recently introduced a full lineup of Kaveri-ready motherboards, which seems to indicate that it expected the APU to be available well before the end of the year. When we mentioned that to AMD, the chipmaker pointed out that Kaveri’s FM2+ socket was exposed at Computex. Partners are free to announce compatible products as they see fit, the company said.

We asked AMD again about Kaveri’s availability this morning, and the firm reiterated the "very early in Q1 2014" statement given to VR-Zone. It responded to our request for information about when the chip would enter mass production by saying, "Kaveri is tracking per AMD’s most recent public roadmap, with no delay." As far as we can tell, Kaveri will begin shipping this year and be available early next, possibly as late as February. Which was totally the plan all along. Or something.

This isn’t the first time AMD had denied an apparent departure from its public roadmap. Earlier this year, the firm insisted that the Sea Islands GPUs that appeared on its roadmaps were never intended to represent a new graphics architecture, despite those documents specifically mentioning one.

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    • ronch
    • 6 years ago

    Dear AMD,

    Why don’t you guys just confirm what will happen to your FX lineup and what will happen after Excavator? Lots of folks are wondering just what the heck you guys are planning to do. Excavator is just a year or two away so a little guidance would be much appreciated. I’m sure lot of folks who are deciding between FM2 and AM3+ or those planning to get a PC soon would find the information useful. Or are you guys hoping that the silence will net a few AM3+ adopters who are bound to be disappointed when they find out next time that AM3+ is a dead end? I understand you guys want to sell as many chips as possible but making unsuspecting folks buy a dead end platform just isn’t cool.

    -ronch

    • jihadjoe
    • 6 years ago

    Intel vs AMD, a tale of two delays:

    When AMD is “delayed”, they say there’s nothing wrong, and everything is going according to plan but we suspect (know) that something is wrong and it’s causing the delay.

    When Intel is delayed, they say there’s something wrong and causing the delay, by we suspect (know) that the new parts are actually ready to go, and they’re intentionally delaying it so that partners and retailers can milk out the last few batches of the old chip.

    [i<]Edit: typo[/i<]

    • BaronMatrix
    • 6 years ago

    They have to get out TEN MILLION SOCs for the consoles… Even with TSMC and GF workign on it, something would have to slip..

    IT CAN’T BE THE CONSOLE SOCs…

      • chuckula
      • 6 years ago

      JUST LOOK AT THE INSANE PROFITS THAT AMD HAS ALREADY GOTTEN FROM THEIR HISTORIC AND MONUMENTAL WIN WITH THE WII-U GPU!!

        • Spunjji
        • 6 years ago

        Yes, that was clearly such a complex and valuable piece of hardware. /sarcasm

          • chuckula
          • 6 years ago

          OH NOW I GET IT!! INTEL/NVIDIA/QUALCOMM ARE ALL MORONS SINCE THEY MAKE CHIPS THAT AREN’T THE MOST COMPLEX EVER PRODUCED AND THEN SELL THEM AT A PROFIT! THEY NEED TO BE MORE LIKE AMD WHERE A CHIP THAT IS TWICE THE SIZE OF HASWELL SELLS FOR $20!!! GENIUS!

    • Unknown-Error
    • 6 years ago

    AMD = [b<]A[/b<]lways [b<]M[/b<]ajor [b<]D[/b<]elays So where is your mighty 'Crapveri' oops I mean 'Kaveri'...?

      • chuckula
      • 6 years ago

      You see, I’m the supposed Intel fanboy who gets downmodded for factual posts.. and then this sort of thing goes right under the radar.

      Sometimes I think that certain people on this website have no problem with infantile insults that are hurled against their beloved AMD (since they do the exact same thing to Intel), but as soon as somebody starts using real facts in a way that doesn’t mix with the koolaid, all of the sudden it’s war.

        • Bensam123
        • 6 years ago

        Maybe it’s not so much hating on the company and joking as much as the underlying insults, fighting dirty, and going out of your way to make others look bad… Just a thought, if you’re really looking for answers (which you aren’t).

        People don’t like being pissed on constantly and then going out of your way to laugh at it with your select group of buds.

        You also have a hefty dose of hypocrisy going on here too. Witch burning indeed.

    • Mr. Eco
    • 6 years ago

    [quote<]Despite mounting evidence, ...[/quote<] [quote<]Microsoft to soldier on with ...[/quote<] Warm up the public for the incoming war?

      • brute
      • 6 years ago

      with evidence so hot, who wouldnt want to mount it?

        • entropy13
        • 6 years ago

        [quote<]who wouldnt want to mount it?[/quote<] Those who don't want to get burned.

    • xand
    • 6 years ago

    Let’s hope they’re just busy making lots of PS4s…

      • ronch
      • 6 years ago

      No, they’re not busy making PS4s, but maybe they’re busy making the APUs those PS4s need to work.

    • ronch
    • 6 years ago

    Hey, Mark, how are you, Jim and the rest of the boys doing in there? Everything ok?

    • ronch
    • 6 years ago

    I think AMD should settle the two biggest questions being asked by many of their followers:

    1. What will happen to the FX lineup moving forward? Will they continue to support AM3+ or whatever will replace it (AM4, perhaps)?

    2. What do they really plan to do after Excavator? Is it [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESidBrr2cxk<]"That's all, folks!"[/url<] or is there a secret project to further evolve the fundamental Bulldozer architecture or a totally new architecture in the works? Edit - Ok, got a thumb down. Whoever did that, will you please EXPLAIN why you think what I said deserves a thumb down? I was just asking questions. Weird.

      • Jigar
      • 6 years ago

      You should be asking this to Warsaw.

        • ronch
        • 6 years ago

        Oh, you must mean Warsam. I remember sending him a PM but I never got a response. We must’ve scared him off. Guess TR gerbils are a ferocious bunch.

          • jihadjoe
          • 6 years ago

          His official position makes him officially useless. He’ll never be allowed to say anything other than what we already get from these half-assed press releases.

      • sircharles32
      • 6 years ago

      Your first question is high on my own list.
      I felt sucker-punched when I last looked at their road map a saw no signs of Server/Workstation/Enthusiast grade Steamroller, anywhere.
      I know they said that they no longer wished to directly compete with Intel, but come on, we still need to progress the architecture.

        • ronch
        • 6 years ago

        Yeah. I hope they didn’t live to become the Last [b<][u<]Man[/u<][/b<] Standing only to chicken out.

      • BaronMatrix
      • 6 years ago

      Well, you can answer that your self.. Would you drop from an 8 core chip with XFire to a 4 core chip with an IGP…?

      So even if they combine sockets, the “superset” of pins will be for the APU, not the CPU…

      IOW, FX or CPU only chips CAN’T LEAVE the high end…

    • chuckula
    • 6 years ago

    Kaveri-nator in 2014: JOHN CONNOR! IT IS TIME!
    John Connor: But I thought AMD’s roadmaps stopped HSA back in 2013!
    Kaveri-nator in 2014: They only delayed it from 2012 to 2013 and then another 6 months to 2014. HSA is inevitable!

    (This one’s for Spigzone since I haven’t seen any HSA love recently).

      • jimbo75
      • 6 years ago
        • raddude9
        • 6 years ago

        To be fair, I thought chuckies first dozen or so super-troll’y posts were funny

          • peartart
          • 6 years ago

          It’s really only the whining about him that makes it worth it at this point.

        • chuckula
        • 6 years ago

        Tell you what there jimbo… I’ll post something funny when you post something that isn’t a sneering insult at some company who would never hire you in a million years! How about you post anything even remotely on-topic for any story that has ever appeared on TR. I’ll give you cookie!

        You know Jimbo… the only things I’ve seen are snarky insults against Intel and accusations like they’ve committed some heinous war crime because an unpublished roadmap from 2011 that got posted on some blog is slightly different than another unpublished roadmap from 2013 that got posted on some other blog. With that level of attention to detail, you should go join CSI and leave the rest of us alone.

        You know how much Intel (or AMD, Nvidia, ARM, etc) care about you? Here’s a hint: it rhymes with gyro (the sandwich not the sensor).

          • Bensam123
          • 6 years ago

          [quote<]I'll post something funny when you post something that isn't a sneering insult...[/quote<] Isn't that what you do? I suppose you try to hide it below a layer of 'satire' which makes it even worse.

        • auxy
        • 6 years ago

        Screw you. I think he’s funny. <3 chuckula. ლ(╹ε╹ლ)

          • chuckula
          • 6 years ago

          Hey auxy! Good to hear from you again. We need more peace love and awesome unicode emoticons at a time like this 😉

            • destroy.all.monsters
            • 6 years ago

            Don’t encourage her (use of emoticons).

            • chuckula
            • 6 years ago

            At a minimum, it’s a good test to make sure my browser can render text properly.

    • Duck
    • 6 years ago

    It’s not delayed. It’s just scheduled to arrive at a different time.

      • indeego
      • 6 years ago

      “Pay no attention to those roadmaps!” says the Wizard behind the curtain.

        • ssidbroadcast
        • 6 years ago

        “Wait! I can explain!! AAAHHH!”

    • sschaem
    • 6 years ago

    What happen to Temash will happen to Kabini. Same people, same strategy…

    And in the grand scheme of things, Intel & nvidia can technically do anything and everything AMD does, and better. So if AMD goes under, technology will march on.
    And when AMD goes under, AMD true talent will easily find positions at samsung, Apple, nvidia, Intel… oh wait, that already happened.

      • shank15217
      • 6 years ago

      what fan boy bs..

        • ronch
        • 6 years ago

        Don’t really agree with everything you said. If anything, AMD’s real troubles are only with regards to their CPUs which are not faring too well against Intel and which currently need some heavy marketing tactics to make them look a little better. Their GPUs are some of the best out there despite having less mindshare than Nvidia; their chipsets, while getting long in the tooth, aren’t really their weakest points; and their ARM efforts are yet to bear fruit so it’s difficult to gauge how successful they’ll be. They also have the console wins so that’s definitely a plus despite probably razor-thin margins.

        What worries me is how they keep losing money. CPUs are obviously still their core business and the area in which they’re faltering these days. One has to wonder about their GPU division, though. Nvidia rakes it all in by selling pretty much the same things as AMD’s GPU division does. Sure, Nvidia has Tegra too but it can’t account for most of Nvidia’s revenue. Even if we imagine for a minute that Nvidia stops selling Tegra chips they would probably still earn more than AMD’s GPU division. Considering AMD’s dies are generally smaller (AFAIK) than Nvidia’s, one has to wonder where AMD is spending the savings in manufacturing. AMD’s cards are better value, I know, but AMD also [u<]probably[/u<] has better performance/die area than Nvidia so their manufacturing cost advantage should be there at every performance and price ponit, but I just don't see it.

          • travbrad
          • 6 years ago

          [quote<]Even if we imagine for a minute that Nvidia stops selling Tegra chips they would probably still earn more than AMD's GPU division. Considering AMD's dies are generally smaller (AFAIK) than Nvidia's, one has to wonder where AMD is spending the savings in manufacturing. AMD's cards are better value, I know, but AMD also probably has better performance/die area than Nvidia so their manufacturing cost advantage should be there at every performance and price ponit, but I just don't see it.[/quote<] Well for the last generation Nvidia's high-end (GK104) cards actually had a smaller die size than AMD's high-end (Tahiti) cards. The mid-range cards were roughly the same size. TSMC was still having a lot of problems with 28nm production too, which may have hurt AMD more than Nvidia. Despite the price/performance being pretty close, Nvidia also sells a lot more cards than AMD. The most recent discrete GPU market share numbers show Nvidia with close to DOUBLE the market share of AMD. This forces AMD to reduce prices (or offer bundles) even further to sell cards. Capitalism is often unfair. Even if AMD's GPU division had equal R&D/running costs to Nvidia it's easy to see how Nvidia is making a lot more money. If you sell almost twice as many units you are bound to make a lot more money. AMD's GPU division is also tied to their struggling CPU business which is much larger (revenue wise) than their GPU side. Any profits they manage to make on GPUs are basically eaten up by the CPU part of the company.

            • ronch
            • 6 years ago

            I think we need to see the respective GPU components of AMD’s and Nvidia’s quarterly earnings so we can see which company is earning more from GPU sales. Since we can probably pull market share figures from the Net we can estimate both companies’ GPU ASPs. We can probably segregate GPU sales from APU sales, and include APU sales figures under AMD’s CPU sales figures, just to keep the comparison clean.

            (In lieu of this method of comparing GPU sales figures, Intel has practically 0% GPU sales.)

    • bcronce
    • 6 years ago

    Will be paper launched on time. Sorry, had to. Please AMD, fix your drivers.

    • jimbo75
    • 6 years ago
      • chuckula
      • 6 years ago

      Yeah, kuz we all know Intel’s executives have made extensive public tweets and statements all about the exact nanosecond in 2003 when you’d be able to buy Broadwell and of course they lied since Broadwell can’t exist and will never be launched!

      Typical Intel, delay a product by 11 years, then cancel it and act like nothing ever happened!

        • jimbo75
        • 6 years ago
          • chuckula
          • 6 years ago

          You pro-Intel shill! Intel’s roadmaps clearly showed Broadwell and then Intel cancelled it!

          Stop your pro-Intel trolling about how Broadwell is only delayed to detract from the REAL story that Intel has failed and will never make 14nm chips!

            • jimbo75
            • 6 years ago
            • chuckula
            • 6 years ago

            You schill! How dare you imply that Intel would only delay Broadwell from 2014 to 2014! Everyone knows it is cancelled!

            • Hattig
            • 6 years ago

            Whoosh?

            Anyway where is the news in a story reporting delays in AMD’s product road map? It’s hardly ‘new’ is it!

            When will desktop Kabini come out? Did AMD prioritise Hawaii at TSMC instead?

      • chuckula
      • 6 years ago

      Yeah jimbo75! Preach on! You know what I can’t stand? It’s when some Pro-Intel schill posts some dirt about AMD to distract from a story that clearly shows how stupid and bankrupt Intel is! I’m tired of all those off-topic posts that detract from the fact that AMD is perfect and Intel will soon be out of business!

      Fortunately, we have you [and your other jimbo1 – jimbo74 accounts] to prevent that from happening, don’t we?

        • jimbo75
        • 6 years ago
          • indeego
          • 6 years ago

          You realize IP addresses can’t always be tied to identity, right?

            • indeego
            • 6 years ago

            Yes, I completely understand that you twit!

          • Farting Bob
          • 6 years ago

          Ok, what’s my IP address?

            • jimbo75
            • 6 years ago
        • entropy13
        • 6 years ago

        Damn jimbo, I can only get up to 13 accounts while you have 75?

    • HisDivineOrder
    • 6 years ago

    This is typical of AMD. They know any sign they are going to miss a target could lead to the company losing a ton of money out from under them from the stock market or customers or even potential investors getting cold feet. They’re selling every building they own to lease back for miniscule savings. They’re penny-pinching to such a degree they’ve got all the warning signs of a company about to go out of business.

    I won’t be surprised when they’re suddenly bankrupt (a la 3dfx) or bought cheap by a competitor (a la 3dfx). I remember when nVidia bought 3dfx. I had owned 3dfx, ATI, and nVidia all along the way, but at that particular moment I’m pretty sure I had a Geforce. Reading the early forum posts of burned 3dfx owners as they discovered their shiny brand new Voodoo 4k, 5k’s were all going to be paperweights with no driver support of any kind…

    It made me glad I didn’t get sucked into the cheaper, value-oriented hardware. I’ve always made sure to remember that day when I think about any company showing even a slight HINT of money troubles. You do not want to own hardware that has no driver updates. And a company that looks like it’s about to go bust at any second and the only thing of any real note with regards to money is MS and Sony (and to a lesser extent Nintendo). Those console contracts better be as profitable as they say. They really, really need to not be losing money on them like I think they are.

      • SternHammer
      • 6 years ago

      Investors should not be deterred by the delay in Kaveri at all.
      The fact the A.M.D has already shipped millions of Xbone and PS4 hUMA APUs is a guarantee that, the architecture is completed and 100% operational. Of-course keeping in mind some minor differences mainly in clock speeds and memory bandwidth between the Xbone/PS4 APU and Kaveri.

      A.M.D has some very promising products on the horizon, I’d say much more promising than anything else in the upcoming year or so from any other company out there. They got their next gen Hawaii HD9000 series coming soon and of-course, the all new futuristic hUmA Kaveri APUs.

      These are some fantastic products coming out very soon from A*M*D, and if anything, that should encourage and motivate investors to purchase A.M.D stock right now while it’s low and hot..

      As for the Support for the product. Aplis, AMD is not some Black Berry or HTC smartphone maker, wherein if the company goes under, all the driver updates die off completely without a trace..

      Lastly, You gotta blame Intel, for not willing to sell .A.M.D. some of their 3D 22nm silicon on the cheap, so that A*M*D could start the production as soon as possible. Keepo

        • entropy13
        • 6 years ago

        As an aside, why use AMD, A*M*D, A.M.D, A.M.D., and .A.M.D. all in the same post?

          • chuckula
          • 6 years ago

          I’m still deciding if SternHammer is serious or not… it’s interesting.

        • NeelyCam
        • 6 years ago

        Yes. Absolutely. It’s clearly Intel’s fault that AMD’s products are delayed.

          • Waco
          • 6 years ago

          I have an in-brain filter for SternHammer already.

            • chuckula
            • 6 years ago

            I go back and forth… he’s a little too earnest, but at the same time all the hallmarks of a classic satirical troll are there. If he’s doing this as a sendup, he’s doing an excellent job of keeping a straight face.

            Otherwise it might be a BaronMatrix type situation where SternHammer actually believes everything he is saying even if it would make AMD’s own PR department break out laughing… you never know.

        • erwendigo
        • 6 years ago

        “A.M.D has already shipped millions of Xbone and PS4 hUMA APUs is a guarantee that, the architecture is completed and 100% operational. Of-course keeping in mind some minor differences mainly in clock speeds and memory bandwidth between the Xbone/PS4 APU and Kaveri. ”

        Oh yeah!

        Because Kaveri (a cpu based in steamroller arquitecture) is the same that Jaguar (a Bobcat+ design).

        (Rolleyes).

        Well, I can guarantee that you don´t have any idea of this topic.

      • JustAnEngineer
      • 6 years ago

      3dfx did not go bankrupt [b<]suddenly[/b<]. Their rate of cash burn and their cash balance's ultimate arrival at zero were easy to predict. I sold my 3dfx stock at $5½ when it was revealed that the only working Voodoo5-6000 in the world was carried around in the chief technology officer's briefcase instead of being manufactured in the tens of thousands to generate revenue. STB was a [b<]profitable[/b<] business when they made a large volume of cheap graphics cards using all different brands of graphics chips. After 3Dfx bought them, the graphics card factory was mostly idle, since there weren't enough orders for graphics cards with long-delayed 3Dfx graphics chips to keep them busy. The additional monthly fixed costs increased the rate of cash burn so that the combined company ran out of money while the overpaid chip designers were still futzing around instead of releasing a new product to market on time.

        • jihadjoe
        • 6 years ago

        I knew 3dfx was done when they were saying they had the best IQ with their 256×256 textures and dithered 16-bit, Matrox and Nvidia were “seeing it wrong.” Nobody needs 2048×2048 textures and 32-bit color

      • Spunjji
      • 6 years ago

      3dfx were never the cheap alternative to anything…

    • willg
    • 6 years ago

    AMD knows that until they get silicon back from the lab and test it, they won’t know whether they can hit their power/frequency targets, whether the chips are validating, what speed path fixes are required etc.

    With Bulldozer the ‘A’ steppings and ‘B1’ stepping didn’t hit their frequency targets, Bulldozer missed its planned June 2011 launch and eventually launched with the B2 stepping in September.

    Do they not build a margin into their product launch plans to mitigate against this risk ?

    • ronch
    • 6 years ago

    Tip for other semiconductor companies: When your product looks like it won’t meet the deadline as shown on your roadmap, ‘update’ your roadmap and insist that the product is not delayed as per your updated roadmap and it’s coming along just fine and on time. <face palm>

      • chuckula
      • 6 years ago

      While AMD is certainly guilty of doing that this time around, everyone else has been guilty of similar stunts in the past too (yes, that means Intel, Nvidia, and ARM to name a few).

      In the game of roadmaps, you win or you get run over by powerpoints.

      [I’ll take the down-vote from jimbo75 to be as a pro-Intel fanboy statement on his part that Intel has never delayed a product. Hey jimbo75: Stop drinking the pro-Intel koolaid there!]

        • travbrad
        • 6 years ago

        I guess it’s better than not updating their roadmap, then “launching” a product which isn’t even available to buy for months afterwards (something we’ve also seen these companies do)

    • slaimus
    • 6 years ago

    I think this is the right way to go. It made no sense to even release Richland if it was only going be around for 6 months.

    • Ryhadar
    • 6 years ago

    I’m not saying it’s right, but if you bank on AMD releasing something on time you’re gonna have a bad time.

      • Price0331
      • 6 years ago

      [url<]http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/super-cool-ski-instructor[/url<]

    • dpaus
    • 6 years ago

    It just means that their new Marketing Department are all ex-NSA PR hacks.

    • chuckula
    • 6 years ago

    They are saying “it’s not delayed” because they changed the definition of what “on time” means.

    Basically, the infamous Tweet from Lisa Su about the 2H 2013 Kaveri release has been redefined to mean “Oh, that’s when we ‘ship for revenue’ and update our balance sheets! Not when you can actually buy one!”

    Then, Roy Taylor (or as I like to call him, the arrogant Nvidia guy that AMD poached) told VR-Zone: “We NEVAR said that Kaveri would go on sale this year! It’s already done, we just need to do more powerpoint slides for marketing!”

    So basically, according to AMD Kaveri isn’t delayed! It was never intended to ship in 2013 at all! (despite all those official slides to the contrary, and let’s just forget about all those other roadmaps that originally showed Kaveri as launching in January… of 2013 that is…)

      • raghu78
      • 6 years ago

      everybody knows kaveri is delayed due to GF. by atleast 6 – 8 months. you don’t need better proof than these roadmaps. Richland was not present at all in Feb 2012 roadmap.

      Feb 2, 2012 Analyst day roadmap

      [url<]https://techreport.com/review/22452/a-closer-look-at-the-new-amd/2[/url<] CES Jan 2013 roadmap [url<]https://techreport.com/news/24164/amd-shares-latest-mobile-desktop-roadmap[/url<] [url<]http://vr-zone.com/articles/new-confirmed-details-on-amds-2014-apu-lineup-kaveri-delayed/47455.html[/url<] " Update Aug 6: AMD has confirmed that Kaveri will be available in 2014, but not because of delays." AMD thinks everyone forgot what they presented back in Feb 2012. Llano launched in June 2011, Trinity in June 2012. If Kaveri was on time it should have launched by June 2013. instead now they are 6 - 8 months late.

        • Game_boy
        • 6 years ago

        Products are designed 2-3 YEARS in advance. Even just minor updates like Richland. Things may just ‘appear’ on the roadmap, but the decision to do Richland was taken well before any Kaveri production delays.

      • ermo
      • 6 years ago

      ** DELETE **

      • Fighterpilot
      • 6 years ago

      Wow…you are slipping Chuck.
      Usually we can rely on you to “frist post” on any AMD article in order to trash them before anyone else can comment.
      Lift your game dude or your application to join nvidia’s focus group website trolls may be delayed!

        • Bensam123
        • 6 years ago

        lol…

    • RtFusion
    • 6 years ago

    So . . . are we in for another “clear as mud” situation from AMD?

      • bittermann
      • 6 years ago

      They need to get it out as fast as possible for their sake…this play on words is not helping them. I wonder if these Marketing people can actually taste a little bile coming up every time they speak?

        • Geonerd
        • 6 years ago

        RtF, ALL AMD Marketing Monkeys undergo a routine procedure that removes the offending taste buds, as well as those portions of the brain that generate truthful speech and ethical behavior.

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