Gigabyte Brix crams gaming PC into, well….

…yeah, a brick-sized enclosure. Like so:

We saw this beauty at IDF last week. Gigabyte lists this Brix system’s total volume at 0.72 liters, believe it or not. The guts of this thing include a quad-core Haswell R-series processor with Intel Iris Pro graphics and 128MB of embedded DRAM serving as an L4 cache. It’s not going to be the fastest gaming PC around, but it should be reasonably capable. Its CPU performance should be nearly as good as anything available in a desktop system.

Inside, there’s room for a single 2.5" SATA drive and two mini PCIe x1 expansion slots.

Yes, it comes in red and yellow. There’s quite a bit of copper inside for cooling, and yes, it’s pretty heavy. Kind of like a…  oh, never mind.

Gigabyte expects these systems to become available in early December. They’ll offer a choice of three different R-series Haswell processors, including the Core i7-4770R, i5-4670R, and i5-4570R. Pricing has yet to be determined.

And this Brix system is both a full-on PC and a pocket projector, complete with a blinding-bright LED. We got slight vision damage while handling the thing.

We didn’t catch the exact specs of this model, but you can see the HDMI, DisplayPort, Ethernet, and USB 3.0 ports. Gigabyte says it will be available in the first week of October for $699.

Now you can inflict PowerPoint on people virtually anywhere. Let’s hope this technology is used wisely.

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    • RealPjotr
    • 6 years ago

    When building a PC, the least you can get for gaming is not buying a graphics card and only use the inclusive GPU on the CPU. So this is the *least* gaming you can have. And they still market it for gaming!?

    • TO11MTM
    • 6 years ago

    This is a non-starter for me without a second 2.5″ bay. I want a Fast SSD for my apps/etc but still want to have the ability to toss an extra drive for storage without resorting to an external.

    • confusedpenguin
    • 6 years ago

    Yes, but does it feature MMX and 3DNow?

    • Xenolith
    • 6 years ago

    This’ll go well with my projector. This cube looks like it can be easily mounted on the ceiling next to the projector. The projector can only do 720p, so no need for high end graphics.

    • Meadows
    • 6 years ago

    I can see why they’re called Brix, but I fail to see how you’re supposed to sh*t them.

    • A_Pickle
    • 6 years ago

    Seriously? We’re calling PC’s with integrated graphics “gaming PC’s” now, eh?

      • NeelyCam
      • 6 years ago

      They are pretty much at the same level as Gaming PCs from 2008

      • Deanjo
      • 6 years ago

      Why not? They are already calling them game consoles.

      • Andrew Lauritzen
      • 6 years ago

      Why should where the graphics card lives affect that? Shouldn’t it just be based on the performance of the solution?

      This obviously isn’t as fast as a 200W GPU (how could it be in that form factor), but if you’re willing to call laptops “gaming PCs” or any of AMDs APUs, this is in the same class of performance or better.

      Personally I look down from my PC gaming master race throne on peasants that consider anything less than 680/7970 a “gaming PC”, but realistically most folks have much more outdated and modest hardware than that ;).

        • speedyvt
        • 6 years ago

        Give it a bit, APUs are really powerful. APUs are limited by Intel right now because Intel refuses to allow production of DDR4 to be released. If it gets released now AMD will have the best processors on the market and it’s kill Intel’s flagship on it’s graphics, just like ATI Rage killed Voodoo. The fact is that AMD APUs are limited by ram speed, faster the ram faster the performance. The A10-6800k is equal to the performance of a HD 7730 running at 1866 mhz ram. Stick DDR4 which has lower latency and speeds triple that and it’ll be just below the 7800 models. Has everything to do with Heterogeneous technology. That’s without dual graphics. You get frame pacing drivers eventually on an APU and it’s frame-rate will not only be steadier but cleaner than Intel’s. Catalyst 13.10 has frame pacing, it’s not about the highest frames it’s about the highest lowest frame value.

          • Andrew Lauritzen
          • 6 years ago

          Uhh… not sure where to start with this. You’re throwing out a lot of marketting jargon and connecting dots that I’m not sure you fully understand. We can take this offline/to-PM if you want but I don’t think this is a good place for going through that point by point.

            • Chrispy_
            • 6 years ago

            I think the best place to start is that current AMD APU’s can’t use DDR4 so that’s the end of that entire argument!

            Also maybe troll but can’t be sure; throw facts at it and see if you get logical argument or tinfoil-hat crazy.

          • NeelyCam
          • 6 years ago

          [quote<]APUs are limited by Intel right now because Intel refuses to allow production of DDR4 to be released. If it gets released now AMD will have the best processors on the market and it's kill Intel's flagship on it's graphics, just like ATI Rage killed Voodoo[/quote<] It'd be fun to see your reaction when Intel offers a platform with DDR4 a year before AMD has one... Remember how long it took AMD to have PCIe Gen3..?

            • cynan
            • 6 years ago

            Particularly ironic given AMD brought the first PCIe gen 3 consumer device to market.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            On a GPU or on a motherboard? And did it even matter?

            • cynan
            • 6 years ago

            HD 7900 products. For games, not significantly so far. But there are some gains in performance with compute tasks. If games follow Tomb Raider’s example and begin to increasingly use the compute capabilities of the graphics card, then perhaps it will make a noticeable, albeit minor, difference in future games.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            And that was the point- it was an infrastructure upgrade ahead of it’s needed time- which is good, but Intel also got it done, as did Nvidia, in a timely manner.

            If you want to talk about stuff AMD did better on the motherboards- you can poke fun at Intel with me for taking so damn long to integrate a USB3 controller, and longer to get all their SATA ports to SATA3 :).

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            DDR4 is in production, so his point is moot from the get-go. All AMD needs to do is ship a part that can handle it; and that shouldn’t be very hard.

    • d0g_p00p
    • 6 years ago

    Scott, I know you did not get the specs but how was the quality output of the built in projector and how about the size of the display?

    • StainlessSteelMan
    • 6 years ago

    The only reason they call this a “gaming PC” is to justify the colorful design, cause the specs don’t qualify it really.

    • Krogoth
    • 6 years ago

    Pocket Porn Projector……

    Enough said.

    • christos_thski
    • 6 years ago

    It’s sort of disappointing that state of the art integrated GPUs are still lacking compared to 5 year old middle end discrete cards (ie the 4850). Mobile GPUs are not that better, either. Sure, they have improved by leaps and bounds, but you can’t help looking at mobile CPU performance (perfectly competitive with desktop CPUs) and be dissapointed by mobile/integrated grpahics cards in comparison….

      • pangolin_user
      • 6 years ago

      You have to compare it by performance per watt, for example CPU :

      intel i7 4770 k 84 Watt vs Intel Intel® Core™ i7-4702MQ 37watt

      so if we take performance per watt into account the GPU comparison should be like this :

      amd radeon 7770 (80 watt) vs AMD-Radeon-HD-7850M(32 watt) or HD 7870 M
      I think its quite competitive already

        • cegras
        • 6 years ago

        Who cares how efficient it is if you cant use it for gaming? It barely handles 1336×768.

          • speedyvt
          • 6 years ago

          The system it’s hooked up to compares. You’ll melt the laptop at higher watts.

          • Andrew Lauritzen
          • 6 years ago

          [url<]https://techreport.com/review/24879/intel-core-i7-4770k-and-4950hq-haswell-processors-reviewed/5[/url<] Looks fine to me at 1600x900 med settings. Note as well that this will be somewhat faster than those benchmarks due to the higher TDP. Power efficiency dictates the form factors a solution can fit into. You're not going to fit much better (if at all) into something this size right now. If you don't care about the small form factor, then this thing obviously isn't for you.

            • cegras
            • 6 years ago

            It does? 34.6 ms 99th percentile frame time translates to roughly 29 FPS.

            [quote<]Power efficiency dictates the form factors a solution can fit into. [b<]You're not going to fit much better (if at all) into something this size right now.[/b<][/quote<] Exactly. Now's not the time to be trying things like this - or maybe, ever!

            • Andrew Lauritzen
            • 6 years ago

            How does 30fps with medium res/settings equate to “barely handles 13×7” which was your claim? 30fps is perfectly acceptable for a lot of types of games… just look at everything on console. And if you need 60, lower your settings.

            > Exactly. Now’s not the time to be trying things like this – or maybe, ever!

            That just depends on what your needs/goals are. Obviously if space, power, etc. is not a concern you buy a full size case. I don’t really get your argument here… obviously smaller form factors are always going to make compromises in terms of performance. By the same logic no one should ever buy a laptop (which is effectively what this is).

    • allreadydead
    • 6 years ago

    Well, Those taiwanese big firms are just doing hit/miss strategy with their new products. They seem to constantly get it wrong. It is like, they listen to their customer base but after looking to their final products, I have the impression something crucial got lost in translation. They have tendancy of missing the elephant in the room. Or the differences between their culture and daily life and the western one shows up in the products,
    Why they just can’t offer the “right” product right away ? I mean, Sony does it…Well, Sony just misses it on pricing but the rest is fairly what we really want. I cannot see that accurate products coming from ASUS, Gigabyte or Korean Samsung.
    Back in days, ABIT got it right.. So we know it can be done.

    • Diplomacy42
    • 6 years ago

    angry birds IS_NOT_PC_GAMING.

      • Arclight
      • 6 years ago

      Well if you consider the general description of what a PC is, then Yes, it actually is a PC game.

      That said, i know what you mean and calling this small form factor PC a gaming desktop PC is stretching it. But that’s ok if performance is on par with pricing. Personally i don’t get the appeal of it as i don’t travel with my PC. If i need files i’ll send it by e-mail or take them on a memorry stick.

      This PCs will get interesting only when CPUs and GPUs (high end that is) won’t consume as much power as today and consequently won’t require a bigger space to allow adequate cooling.

      That or someone makes a quantum leap in terms of cooling. Still waiting for the MIT plastic from years ago.

      • rootheday3
      • 6 years ago

      Before posting, how about you look at the benchmarks?

      Per Notebookcheck, the 47w mobile sku delivers [url=http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Iris-Pro-Graphics-5200.90965.0.html<]these results[/url<]: Diablo 3, Dead Space 3, Dishonored, Fifa 13 all playable on 19x10 at ultra or high. Grid 2, Metro:Last Light, Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, Dead Space 3, COD: Anno 2070 - all playable at high settings @ 13x7 Crysis 3, Battlefield 3, Skyrim, Sleeping Dogs, Hitman:Absolution, Black Ops 2, at 13x7 medium (and a couple of those borderline playable at 13x7 high) or how about Starcraft 2, Witcher, Far Cry 3, Dirt Showdown - vs [url=http://pclab.pl/art54267.html<]at pclab[/url<] - see in particular pages 3-5 for gaming results. I expect the Brix systems will show even better performance due to higher TDP envelope (65W instead of 47W). Is this performance lower lower than 50W+ desktop gpus with a 65W CPU? Yes, but it is a long way away from Angry Birds. I would say that is "PC gaming" - you can have a good gaming experience running the latest games on such a system provided you don't go crazy with settings/resolution/MSAA. And the CPU performance of the quad core skus with Iris is absolutely top notch for when you want to use this computer for something other than playing games.

    • internetsandman
    • 6 years ago

    If pricing comes in at less than $400 (once the system is fully built and functional, so presumably less than $300 off the shelf) this will be my automatic recommendation for anyone looking to get a cheap gaming PC

      • JustAnEngineer
      • 6 years ago

      My recommendation is to take a [url=http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/InventorySearch.aspx?brandId=2202&c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh<]$609 refurbished XPS 8700[/url<] (Core i7-4770, Z87, 8 GiB, 1.0 TB, Windows 8 64-bit, etc.), replace the originial Radeon HD7570 with a new $180AR Radeon HD7950 3GB graphics card and then declare victory for less than $900.

        • Airmantharp
        • 6 years ago

        Definitely looking hard at the Dell Outlet when it comes time to replace regular desktop PCs.

        • indeego
        • 6 years ago

        Replace the mechanical also and now you’re talking.

      • Hattig
      • 6 years ago

      Less than $300 off the shelf, with an Iris Pro toting CPU? You won’t get the CPU on its own for that.

      • Andrew Lauritzen
      • 6 years ago

      I think some other sites mentioned prices like from $500-600 depending on the model (i5/i7, etc) to which you’d have to add a SSD. So not exactly cheap, but you’re paying for the form factor here: it’s quite a bit of performance for the size. If the form factor is not necessary/relevant to you, you can surely do better with a larger case.

    • madmilk
    • 6 years ago

    This is actually pretty big relative to the circuit boards of most laptops. One day these will come with nice video cards, say a 7750…

    • Bensam123
    • 6 years ago

    Now if only the processor could make up for the crappy graphics… They should definitely try working a video card into their design if they really want to make this a gaming computer.

      • Airmantharp
      • 6 years ago

      Note the discussion about MXMs- but really, Intel is on-point when it comes to iGPUs. They’re not ‘there’ yet, of course, but if they integrate that ‘L4’ cache after moving to 14nm and DDR4, it’s likely that they’ll significantly eclipse AMD in the ‘APU’ space. Especially if that low-latency, high-bandwidth cache starts getting put to good use.

      Side note on Intel GPUs and the local cache- I’m waiting for developers to make use of this stuff through OpenCL/DirectCompute. There’s no reason that it couldn’t be used almost entirely as a super-fast, low-latency ‘FPU’ of sorts, even while using a discrete GPU for other tasks.

        • paulWTAMU
        • 6 years ago

        How do these Iris Pro IGPs benchmark on games? I don’t think anyone expects earth shattering performance but I grew up with the crappy Intel IGPs that struggled with…anything.

          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          They work just fine, really, if your benchmark starts at ‘the game plays’. On HD3000, a Sandy Bridge quad i7, I played Starcraft 2, Civ 5, Portal 2, and others successfully. Was it a great experience? Nope. Did the games play? You bet.

          Now, Iris Pro is much, much faster- to the point that running games at 1080p with minimum settings should be possible, and that’s really cool.

        • Bensam123
        • 6 years ago

        It’s entirely possible for them to work a full size video card into their enclosure with some unique case design, such as integrating it into the side of the case.

          • Andrew Lauritzen
          • 6 years ago

          I think we have different definitions of “full size” video cards 🙂 My video card alone probably has as much volume as this entire system.

            • Bensam123
            • 6 years ago

            Hmmm, perhaps looking at him holding it… It’s still possible to integrate it into the side, even if there is some overhang. Leaving it open as a ‘option’, with a panel that can be removed.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            If you look at how high-end discrete mobile GPUs work- in the ~100w class- it’s pretty obvious that you’d just need to make the enclosure a little taller. I’m not sure how standardized MXMs are, from a cooling perspective, but building a heat-pipe- and blower-based cooler really wouldn’t be hard. The hard part would be making it quiet without massively increasing volume!

            • Bensam123
            • 6 years ago

            I don’t see anything wrong with allowing mismatched graphics cards to the case. It doesn’t need to be flush mounted as long as there is a option available with removable side panel.

            MXMs, while cool, are still limited to whatever you can find on fleabay if you want to upgrade and aren’t full size cards (they’re all mobile). They also don’t have standardized cooling mounts as you mentioned.

            There is more then one way to do this and present users with options.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Sure- but MXMs are a standard for really small GPUs, so they do sound like a good place to start :).

            And it wouldn’t be hard at all for ASUS/Gigabyte/whoever else to get into the MXM game, if that standard were to be solidified from a cooling perspective and the idea of swapping out modules in mini-PCs and all-in-ones became more mainstream. Chicken and the egg to be sure, though.

            • Bensam123
            • 6 years ago

            The MXM standard is rarely followed across the board (the interpretation is loose for most vendors), making a popout on the side of the case and maybe something to latch the top edge to the case on the other hand is as easy as it sounds. No one needs to crack down on MXM, it doesn’t need to be standardized further, no need for pushing manufacturers to make devices they aren’t right now.

            MXM should’ve already been completely standardized and present in every laptop for years now, but it still isn’t and the few that support it have whitelists in the bios. There should also be a standardized laptop docking station with PCIE support, but it doesn’t exist.

        • NeelyCam
        • 6 years ago

        [quote<]if they integrate that 'L4' cache after moving to 14nm and DDR4[/quote<] Not sure what you mean by 'integrate' in this context... they already integrated the L4 cache into the same package. As Intel designs both the memory chip and the memory controller, and as they are both inside the same package, they can already use any proprietary link architecture (like QPI, or even HMC) between the CPU and the L4 cache, instead of being stuck with one of the standard memory links optimized for long motherboard routing. Or are you saying you expect this eDRAM to be embedded into the CPU chip?

          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          Yes. 🙂

    • UnfriendlyFire
    • 6 years ago

    Good enough to run those CPU-heavy games. The more GPU-heavy ones, a shame that Kaveri isn’t available.

      • Stickmansam
      • 6 years ago

      If AMD is able to get steamroller rolling, than Kaveri will have good CPU heavy performance and better GPU

        • internetsandman
        • 6 years ago

        Are AMD’s onboard graphics still preferable to the Iris Pro in Intel CPU’s of today? I don’t recall seeing any benchmarks comparing the two but for a system like this, I’d imagine an AMD APU would be preferable when it comes to most games

          • rootheday3
          • 6 years ago

          Even top end 100W desktop AMD APUs are slower than the 47W mobile sku of Iris Pro; IIRC, the “R” series desktop BGA skus should run a bit higher TDP and thus may be able to clock graphics higher.

          Check the performance of Iris Pro at [url=http://pclab.pl/art54267.html<]pclab.pl[/url<] (Polish), notebookcheck.net ([url=http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Schenker-S413-Clevo-W740SU-Notebook.98313.0.html<]laptop review[/url<], [url=http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Iris-Pro-Graphics-5200.90965.0.html<]gfx results summarized[/url<]), [url=http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/6<]Anandtech[/url<], here at [url=https://techreport.com/review/24879/intel-core-i7-4770k-and-4950hq-haswell-processors-reviewed/4<]Tech Report[/url<], [url=http://us.hardware.info/reviews/4776/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-the-end-of-mid-range-gpus<]HardwareInfo[/url<].

        • Chrispy_
        • 6 years ago

        All this hope that Steamroller is the magic bullet to AMD’s low-IPC and high power draw.

        I don’t know what you guys are smoking; It’ll be an incremental improvement, assuming AMD can execute without screwing up, which is no certainty.

        Look, I want AMD to be competetive as much as the next guy, but I’m also not delusional.

    • NeelyCam
    • 6 years ago

    1. Fugly.
    2. Waste the projector, cut the price, and we’ll talk.
    3. What is that Gigabyte USB dongle in the last pic that’s wasting a perfectly good USB port?

      • destroy.all.monsters
      • 6 years ago

      The projector is only on one model. I suspect the dongle is for the wireless remote it no doubt comes with.

        • Deanjo
        • 6 years ago

        If the dongle is for something it comes with then that is worse. There is no reason why they couldn’t bluetooth and keep the radio internal ( or use a IR sensor ).

          • destroy.all.monsters
          • 6 years ago

          I can only assume that either cost or motherboard space was at such a premium that they couldn’t otherwise make their targeted price. Then again, these may be prototypes and they may integrate these things before launch.

            • Deanjo
            • 6 years ago

            If I can buy wifi/bluetooth combo cards for $9 as a consumer, I’m pretty sure Gigabyte could get them for much less.

            • destroy.all.monsters
            • 6 years ago

            I don’t think you’re following me. There may not be room either in the case or on the motherboard – or at least a way to do so and meet the price point they want. If you really need more than 3 USB 3.0 ports then a usb expander should be fine.

            E2A: Again, these are likely prototypes and not production hardware. Lastly we don’t know if Gigabyte deliberately set up a different frequency for the dongle and remote that is less likely to interfere with other frequencies. There’s too many possibilities without Gigabyte spelling out the final specs.

            • Deanjo
            • 6 years ago

            Combo bluetooth wifi cards are the exact same size as a plain jane wifi card and would take exactly no extra space, none, nada, zip.

            • destroy.all.monsters
            • 6 years ago

            I am quite aware of that. Unless you know something about the layout of the motherboard or the configuration inside the case that I don’t you’re just shooting in the dark. Frankly I’d imagine airflow, with a projector inside and all, would be pretty important.

            I try not to wear out my jump to conclusions mat personally.

        • ahmedabdo
        • 6 years ago

        It could be a wireless mouse receiver.

      • StainlessSteelMan
      • 6 years ago

      3 = wireless mouse

      • Airmantharp
      • 6 years ago

      Damnit Neely, you wasted a good trolling opportunity here!

        • NeelyCam
        • 6 years ago

        I’m too giddy from the impending GTA5 mayhem to feel like trolling

          • destroy.all.monsters
          • 6 years ago

          Impending?

            • NeelyCam
            • 6 years ago

            Actually yes – still impending (and just saw the typo – fixed it, thx). I got home, and no package from Amazon. UPS says it’ll arrive tomorrow.

            G*ddamn Amazon!!

            I’m kind of pissed off right now

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            I’d pay good money for a mugshot of that nerd rage.

            • NeelyCam
            • 6 years ago

            Amazon apologized and gave a $10 gift card. But what is the f***ing point of preordering if you get the item later than all the folks who go to Best Buy?

            If I don’t get to start boosting imaginary cars tomorrow, I may just have to head out and do it IRL

            • destroy.all.monsters
            • 6 years ago

            And that’s something I’d pay good money to see a pic of.

            • NeelyCam
            • 6 years ago

            Instead of killing prostitutes, I spent the last night watching Army Wives on Netflix.

            Awesome.[/sarc]

            • destroy.all.monsters
            • 6 years ago

            Well I hope you were at least eating a Slim Jim if you weren’t using one.

            Preferably with Randy Savage.

      • bwcbiz
      • 6 years ago

      3. Wireless keyboard and mouse, most likely. This was a live demo.

    • Saber Cherry
    • 6 years ago

    Projectors get REALLY hot, even when they have good airflow. I would worry about such a device.

    On the other hand… if it actually worked… it would simplify meetings at my company immensely. Normally 5 minutes are wasted at the beginning getting the projector to recognize the correct input – this way you could just plug in a thumbdrive and start.

      • Airmantharp
      • 6 years ago

      Wonder if it being an LED bulb makes a difference- they still put out heat, of course, but an order of magnitude less.

        • Chrispy_
        • 6 years ago

        Yeah, LED-based pico projectors run so cool you can get 2 hours out of them on a battery not much larger than the ones in a smartphone.

    • windwalker
    • 6 years ago

    Including that projector is a very neat idea.
    I wonder if it is good enough for movies and games or just presentations.

      • Darkmage
      • 6 years ago

      It will be good enough for a movie or a game in your hotel room, but not much beyond that. It definitely won’t be part of your home theater.

    • GasBandit
    • 6 years ago

    Gaming PC, I read? Well, does it have an AMD or Nvidia… oh. Intel?

    I see, it’s an airquotes™ “gaming” PC. Hey, Freecell IS a game.

    Should have called it a brick sized presentation pc. Or even a brick sized MEDIA PC.

      • Star Brood
      • 6 years ago

      The Iris Pro is better than AMD APU’s from early benchmarks. And people use AMD APU’s for light gaming, so…

      I empathise with your disappointment though, I thought it would have actually crammed a single-slot GPU in there.

        • Airmantharp
        • 6 years ago

        Played plenty of games on an HD3000. Even relatively current games, like Portal 2 and Starcraft 2, even some Mass Effect 2- and it’s not even Tuesday yet.

        An Iris Pro setup might even be useful for casual gaming up to 1080p. Settings buried to the left, of course, but just being able to play a game on this setup would be cool.

          • Klimax
          • 6 years ago

          [url<]https://techreport.com/review/24879/intel-core-i7-4770k-and-4950hq-haswell-processors-reviewed/5[/url<] looks bit different...

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            So, you’re supporting my point?

          • Chrispy_
          • 6 years ago

          Crysis 3 runs on an HD4000 at about 30fps, give or take, with medium texture detail and [i<]some[/i<] eye candy turned on. I have to run it at the quarter-HD resolution of 960x540 in order to reach those semi-fluid framerates but before you sneer, that's the same resolution as many popular console games. Unlike the consoles though you're getting better draw-distance, higher-quality textures and of course proper keyboard and mouse support. It's easy to be critical of IGP's for awful performance (and they [i<]are[/i<] awful, compared to things like even a $100 HD7790) but combined XB360 and PS3 sales dwarf PC gaming sales, and neither of those consoles have much GPU horsepower.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Haven’t tried that yet, though I do have Crysis 3 and an HD4000 in my gaming laptop- I’d have to disable the GTX675m though.

            But I find it hard to be critical of iGPU performance given the price vs. performance perspective- being able to play any games, essentially for free, is infinitely more valuable than having to pay for a separate GPU :). Granted you’ll pay more for Iris Pro, but even the non-Iris Intel stuff is decent, while AMD’s stuff is borderline spectacular, all things considered.

            • Chrispy_
            • 6 years ago

            Yeah, I sometimes mess around with the HD4000 instead of the GTX650M just to see what does/doesn’t run.

            It’s not all academic either – if I’m stuck in an airport lobby waiting for a delayed flight, I can game on the IGP for almost two hours but using the 650M will nuke a full battery in 45 minutes or so.

        • speedyvt
        • 6 years ago

        Not a chance. It’s got the fastest memory integrated on the GPU and can’t beat an a10-5800k or 6800k. The 5800k and 6800k use system ram, as soon as DDR4 circulates the Intel iGPU once again will be the worst. It’s nice to think it’s improving, but it’s still pathetic. Games that thrive heavily on CPU performance will run great and games that thrive on GPU will run pathetically slow. AMD with it being in the consoles is changing the playing field, it’ll not be about iGPU technology but heterogeneous devices. Intel iGPU and CPU is no where near heterogeneous as AMD’s chips. Take it or leave the argument, but it stands true. Both products are simply superior in their own way.

          • Chrispy_
          • 6 years ago

          What do you mean, “not a chance”? I have no idea what sites your reading but all the [i<]reputable[/i<] ones say you're wrong. Iris Pro is better than both the [url=https://techreport.com/review/24879/intel-core-i7-4770k-and-4950hq-haswell-processors-reviewed/6<]5800K[/url<] and the [url=https://techreport.com/review/24954/amd-a10-6800k-and-a10-6700-richland-apus-reviewed/5<]6800K[/url<]. Haswell's GT3 IGP beats AMD's best in [url=http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/10<]plenty of other games too[/url<] - TR's three game tests weren't just fluke results. Not only do Intel's Iris IGP's win all the tests, they do it with a handicap - The AMD options are using 2133MHz DDR3 whilst the Intel chips are using standard 1600MHz stuff. Iris is only available in really expensive processors though; You could buy a couple of 6800K's for the price of the cheapest GT3 part from Intel. Good luck dumping 100W of heat out of the back of a Brix though!

    • destroy.all.monsters
    • 6 years ago

    Depending on price that pocket projector could be *really nice* as an HTPC or presentation system. Are intel’s gpus “good enough” for projecting videos?

    I’ve never used any intel on-board video myself so I’m in the dark about this.

    Ha, either people think I’m trolling or I have a personal hate section.

    I’ve run AMD since at least Athlon XP days – it was a serious question. My understanding, limited as it is, is that there’s no hardware video decoding on intel’s integrated gpus.

      • f0d
      • 6 years ago

      intel has had hardware video decoding for a while now
      even in the core 2 duos with G45 chipsets they had hardware video decode that could decode bluray at 1080P

      it is a genuine question though as earlier chipsets did have issues with hardware decode (earlier than G45)

      but their hardware today is just as good as any video card (as far as i can tell with my ivybridge HTPC) at playing videos

        • destroy.all.monsters
        • 6 years ago

        Thanks for the heads up. While a mobile gpu would be preferable this sounds as if it would do what I’d want it to.

    • bjm
    • 6 years ago

    Behold… the Steam Brox!

      • derFunkenstein
      • 6 years ago

      Just need MXM capabilities.

        • ALiLPinkMonster
        • 6 years ago

        That’s a really good idea. It wouldn’t take up too much space, and it would give those mobile GPUs a whole new market. Why have none of these companies thought of this?

          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          That’s one thing I wanted Intel to do with the NUC- but if Gigabyte does it, all the same. There’s nothing stopping them short of the limited market availability of MXM modules and figuring out the cooling arrangement.

          • Arclight
          • 6 years ago

          Pricing. Personally i wouldn’t pay 300-400 dollars for a mobile dedicated video card that performs as a 120-150 dollars desktop video card. Would there be people who would? Sure, but probably not enough.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 6 years ago

            Yes, they’d be expensive, but as you shrink stuff it’s always more expensive. Plus, they’re less common. MXM was supposed to be some sort of open form factor standard but nobody has really bothered to really do that. Missed opportunity IMO.

            Let’s also not forget that this has the big boys with the huge cache. Price is not really much of a concern right now.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            It’s really just a matter of economy of scale- note the ‘mini’ GTX670 that came out a while back. It’s not hard to make these things small; maybe a 10% premium at most in production costs. So, the more demand there is, the more they make, the cheaper they get, etc.

            Further, they don’t necessarily have to fit these modules into mobile TDPs- they can call them ‘desktop MXMs’ and skip the best bins, running them at higher voltages and what-not, since these ‘brick’ PCs can easily be engineered around the higher heat output, even while keeping the noise down and the footprint relatively small.

            I mean, hell, they have plenty of all-in-ones that do this already. All we’re really asking for is to have that technology in a separate box.

        • Bensam123
        • 6 years ago

        I was going to say it needs to be able to take a full size video card, but this is a pretty good compromise right there.

          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          Iris Pro is an incredible compromise- of course, a top-end AMD solution would be better, as CPU performance isn’t as nearly as important for systems like these; the kind of gaming you’ll be doing on them will likely never be CPU intensive, outside of RTSs.

          Still, I could go for the Iris Pro setup for living room use. Intel has HD video and audio down pat; I use a Sandy quad i7 with HD3000 in a laptop now as my HTPC, outputting HDMI audio and video to a receiver. Granted, we have Uverse and we have a separate Blu-ray player, and the TV does Netflix, so the laptop really just gets used for 3D movies (my TV is passive, so it doesn’t suck as bad, still not great due to the loss of resolution and brightness though) and as an actual desktop system with a wireless keyboard and mouse.

          But one of these would definitely be an upgrade to that. Be able to do some minor modern gaming with ease along with the desktop apps.

            • speedyvt
            • 6 years ago

            You do Linux with an AMD A-Series APU and you’ll want to forget even considering an Iris Pro in the living room. The new drivers are badass. Surprisingly Intel can’t handle OpenGL very well and everything in Linux is written in OpenGL/CL , Steam games run 20% faster than Windows in Linux. I got TF2 playing on my Netbook E-350 without sacrificing too many settings. Only if I had a SSD than using the swap files would be even more boss.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Intel would get OpenGL running well in Linux if there was a return for them in it- but there really isn’t, given that they’re only peddling integrated GPUs.

            Otherwise, let me know when there’s broad support for Linux in the gaming community. It’s not like we actually want to run Windows, it’s that it’s the only solution for so very many things.

      • slowriot
      • 6 years ago

      Thankfully, no. This thing is barely adequate for the games out right now. In a year it will be painful as the wave of PS4/Xbone targeted ports descends upon the PC.

        • bjm
        • 6 years ago

        Yeah, I know… I just wanted to say Brox.

          • destroy.all.monsters
          • 6 years ago

          I’m glad you did too – no amount of reminders, oblique or otherwise, to Fox in Socks can ever be too many.

    • JohnC
    • 6 years ago

    Eh… They shoul’ve crammed in a mobile GPU like 765m or similar… Power should not be an issue considering external power supply, same goes for cooling (notebooks have even smaller internal areas for heatsinks).

      • f0d
      • 6 years ago

      yep
      would have been much better with 765m or similar

      • Narishma
      • 6 years ago

      Given the size of this thing, it’s possible they don’t even have room for a discrete GPU on the motherboard.

        • Andrew Lauritzen
        • 6 years ago

        Yeah I doubt they could fit anything else in TBH. They already had to increase the height over the previous Brix machines to accommodate the cooling for the larger TDP chip and a full 2.5″ HDD. Can’t see even an MXM fitting in there without further size increase.

    • MarkG509
    • 6 years ago

    Add dual Gb Ethernet, plus either dual DP, or DP + DVI-DL, and I don’t think I could resist, especially if the fan is quiet under load. I don’t care much about the color, but I think I’ll take a red one.

    I really want to play with the L4.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 6 years ago

      What do you need dual NIC for in a system with space for one drive?

        • Deanjo
        • 6 years ago

        Depends what your uses are. All the systems are capable of hooking up USB 3 externals and you may want to aggregate your ethernet for better throughput on your lan.

        If you are in one of the many countries that offer IPTV you may want to hook one NIC up to the IPTV subnet while still having your local network connectivity (very handy for HTPC purposes if your provider supports that capability). Several require you to spoof a set top box on a separate NIC to do so.

        You may also want to utilize it as a router/firewall so you can utilize an enterprise firewall such as PFSense (hardware accelerated encryption VPN’s might also be handy as well).

        You may also want to run a VM with a dedicated NIC as well (for a webserver for example) while still having an isolated NIC for the internal network.

    • f0d
    • 6 years ago

    the last i looked iris pro (while an upgrade from previous onchip GPU’s) still isnt a good option for gaming

    i think they were even slower than the NV Geforce GT640 which isnt really a gaming card and is more for HTPC and just looking at webpages

    iris pro is definitely an upgrade over previous onchip GPU’s i still wouldnt call it a gaming GPU though

      • ALiLPinkMonster
      • 6 years ago

      Yeah, I think Kaveri is going to be the first APU with a respectably capable graphics core. Iris Pro is capable, but not quite enough to call this a “gaming” PC. More like a great multimedia PC that can also game when you really want it to.

        • Bubster
        • 6 years ago

        Have you seen the lead Iris has over the a10-6800k? While it is possible for kaveri to beat iris I do not think this is going to happen without overcoming the bandwidth problem and even if kaveri overcomes iris it will not be by a substantial margin.

          • raddude9
          • 6 years ago

          Couldn’t understand your downvotes, but then I read more closely…

          [quote<]Have you seen the lead Iris has over the a10-6800k?[/quote<] Iris does not have a lead over the A10-6800. Are you mixing up Iris and Iris Pro? [quote<]While it is possible for kaveri to beat iris[/quote<] Kaveri will no doubt beat Iris. It will probably beat Iris Pro too. [quote]even if kaveri overcomes iris it will not be by a substantial margin[quote] Again, you mean Iris Pro, not Iris. Kaveri will overcome Iris Pro by a susstantial price margin.

            • rootheday3
            • 6 years ago

            by context, he pretty clearly meant Iris Pro… especially since no reviews with Iris 5100 have come out that I am aware of.

    • Deanjo
    • 6 years ago

    These are the very definition of “fugly”.

      • WhatMeWorry
      • 6 years ago

      Just curious, but why are these ugly? is it the colors? I just see a very small box. At least it is not ATX ugly.

        • Deanjo
        • 6 years ago

        Colours, layout, and cheap looking mesh for venting.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 6 years ago

    Is i5-5670R a typo or is this a new CPU? I assume it should be 4670R?

    Sweet looking boxes. Adorable. Fast. Small. Probably expensive for that 128MB cache.

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