Radeon R9 290X scarce online

As far as high-end graphics cards go, AMD’s Radeon R9 290X is a pretty good value. The $550 sticker price is $100 lower than the going rate for the GeForce GTX 780, but the Radeon is faster overall. Heck, it performs better than the $1000 Titan.

The first Radeon R9 290X reviews hit the web yesterday, and cards were supposed to appear at online retailers right away. AMD even said so in its press release announcing the card. However, no one seems to have the thing in stock. Of Newegg’s nine listings for the 290X, four are "coming soon," while the remainder are out of stock. None of the listings have availability dates attached. Amazon, NCIX, and TigerDirect don’t even have the new Radeon listed on their websites.

Interestingly, Bottom Line Telecommunications has a couple of 290X cards in its catalog. This Sapphire variant is due to arrive November 6, while this Gigabyte version is expected on the 14th. Both are priced higher than the MSRP, though. The Sapphire card is listed at $570, and the Gigabyte is a whopping $698.

At Newegg, only one of the 290X cards is priced at $550. Four of the others are listed at $580, and those all include free copies of Battlefield 4. The other listings are devoid of pricing. Since all the cards appear to be reference models with stock coolers, I’d expect final pricing to closely match those two figures. Paying only $30 to add BF4 is a nice deal considering the game’s $60 asking price.

Update: We asked AMD about the situation, and it told us that "all the etailers are getting stock daily." More cards are supposed to pop up at Newegg next week, the company said. A trusted source tells us that one major North American etailer is having trouble gettings its hands on the card, though. At least initially, it looks like Radeon R9 290X availability could be limited. AMD says demand for its new card is "massive." The supply apparently isn’t.

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    • JustAnEngineer
    • 6 years ago

    In stock at Newegg right now.

    • Klimax
    • 6 years ago

    290x is new 480.

    • jimbo75
    • 6 years ago
      • Airmantharp
      • 6 years ago

      They under-priced them for launch, and all the ebay scalpers bought them up?

      I mean, if we’re talking fudzilla as reference, we can spin the truth any way we want!

    • pseudonem
    • 6 years ago

    Aside from all the bickering about AMD / nVidia this or that, I’d like to talk about how a major portion of these cards have managed to find their way to Ebay. They are listed for upwards of $800 a piece. And almost every seller has two cards available. This leads me to believe that most of these cards came from Newegg.

    Or, conspiracy theory time, Tigerdirect (they don’t have listings for the cards on their website) is “having trouble getting stock”, or rather, they are selling their cards directly on Ebay for these jacked up prices.

    I’m all for free enterprise, but this is pure bs.

    /endrant

      • Airmantharp
      • 6 years ago

      I get where you’re coming from, but I doubt that these are sales made directly by the vendors, as they’d likely be running afoul of multiple agreements.

      These are most likely ‘scalpers’ that are trying to make a quick buck off of this release.

      And as far as enterprise/free market activities are concerned, what you’re seeing is the market price the cards according to their value. Apparently the R9 290X is actually worth about $800, and AMD’s MSRP is too low, for now, given the low initial supply and the high release-week demand :).

    • Sabresiberian
    • 6 years ago

    AMD deserves accolades for beating the GTX 780 (and of course Titan) and doing it at a significantly lower price point. Hopefully availability issues will clear up soon.

    That being said, I wonder if the people ringing the AMD win bell are going to ring Nvidia’s win bell if the 780Ti outperforms the 290X, and Nvidia brings its price down to match. Certainly AMD will still deserve credit for bringing prices down for everyone interested in the top end of the graphic card spectrum, but fair is fair, as they say. 🙂

      • Klimax
      • 6 years ago

      They won’t.

        • Airmantharp
        • 6 years ago

        You know, you don’t see comment threads like this with Nvidia releases. No one really needs to defend them or champion them, and lately, there’s not been much cause to say anything really negative about them that wouldn’t also apply to AMD.

        But dare you say anything that might be perceived as negative about an AMD card, regardless of truth, and the whole world erupts :).

        So I’m with Klimax- I don’t think that the people ringing the AMD win bell are going to even bother reading or commenting on 780GTX articles. Having their points rebutted would likely hurt their feelings too much!

          • NeelyCam
          • 6 years ago

          Say something bad about an NVidia card, you get upthumbs. Say something bad about an AMD card, you get death threats.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Apparently!

            • NeelyCam
            • 6 years ago

            The downthumbs are telling me that some AMD fans don’t believe me. Sadly, I wasn’t trolling – I really was getting death threats. And I wasn’t the only one; others who said something negative about AMD on this threat were targeted as well.

            • Fighterpilot
            • 6 years ago

            Stop trying to be some kind of martyr.
            We’ve had idiots come through here posting “death threat” via PM for years and we all understand they are just idiots/kids.
            Silicon Doc comes to mind.
            Stop trying to make out its some kind of campaign against you angelic Intel/nvidia trolls.

            • NeelyCam
            • 6 years ago

            I can’t be a martyr unless I die, and angels don’t die.

            So, clearly your weak attempt at a troll was pure fail

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            You mean one of those crazy long posts? Had one too. Judged as a troll… (Funny, Ugly yet amusing and not amusing)

            • NeelyCam
            • 6 years ago

            IMs

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Ok, no IM. (Not that I checked)
            ETA: Cross that, 10 IMs and from the look of them, they all fit your description…

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Got too.

          • Klimax
          • 6 years ago

          You have seen some of my subthreads. Fun stuff.

          BTW: Can somebody tell me WTF it is game changing about this card (apart from horrific temperature)?

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            It’s going to force prices down, just like the introduction of the GTX600-series forced prices of the HD7000’s down. And the temperature’s fine- it’s the noise that’s out of control :).

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Temperature fine??? I disagree. (And even if it wasn’t lifespan shorting, it shows how far AMD has to drive chip to get performance needed. I guess having smaller chip then full GK110 has its own trade-offs)

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Sure, they set the target operating temperature high- but that’s nothing for solidly built electronics. They can go far higher, it’s not like there’s any water inside the silicon to boil.

            Now, if they’d included a decent cooler by default, they could have probably set the operating temperature a little lower, but AMD couldn’t be bothered to do that.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Any paper on that? Because I never saw permitted temp that high.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            It’d only come from AMD, and at that point, we’re just going to have to take their word for it. Note another example mentioned in the article, though- that of the 8800 Ultra, which had a similar target temperature and didn’t have abnormal failures due to heat.

      • sschaem
      • 6 years ago

      A 4GB 780 Ti for $549 ? Bring it on !

        • Airmantharp
        • 6 years ago

        I’d take two at 8GB for $600, if that’s ever likely to happen :D.

          • Klimax
          • 6 years ago

          Mine prediction is 780 50USD below 290(x) while 790 Ti matching or somewhat above 290x.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Ok, I called 780 new price…

    • NeelyCam
    • 6 years ago

    Can you put it inside a PS3? Xbox 360? If not, most gamers don’t care

      • chuckula
      • 6 years ago

      Deep irony alert: Next Gen consoles… made with AMD chips… are going to be competing with AMD’s next-gen GPUs even if it is indirect competition. C’est la vie.

        • Airmantharp
        • 6 years ago

        You know, I’d love to see AMD demo the same game on a PS4 hooked up to a 60″ 1080p TV, next to a 290X CF-equipped SteamBox hooked up to a 60″ 4k panel, and record people’s reactions.

        The higher resolution, higher detail, more responsive 4k setup will blow most of them away :).

          • NeelyCam
          • 6 years ago

          As long as price isn’t mentioned.

          Console gaming is ridiculed by the self-proclaimed gaming elite, but consoles still offer the best bang for buck

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Definitely- I’d pick one up if the gaming experience I was looking for was there, but I don’t play any games where a controller could be considered to be anything less than cumbersome as the primary input device :).

          • briankdinnj16
          • 6 years ago
    • Unknown-Error
    • 6 years ago

    ROTFLMAO!!!!

    [url<]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5YJsMaT_AE[/url<]

      • NeelyCam
      • 6 years ago

      That was pure awesome

      • xres625e
      • 6 years ago
      • briankdinnj16
      • 6 years ago
      • NeelyCam
      • 6 years ago

      This needed a bump

      • NeelyCam
      • 6 years ago

      Seriouzly guyz, you don’t think that video is funny?

      No sense of humor…

      • Airmantharp
      • 6 years ago

      I posted this earlier, but it sure doesn’t get old!

      Where’s clone when you need him/her?!?

    • chuckula
    • 6 years ago

    OK, I made an effort at being magnanimous to Bensam in pointing out that there are trolls on both sides of this launch… he rebuffed me. So in honor of Bensam’s new-found love of stopping the hate, I’m going to take him down a trip of memory lane highlighting just a few of his quotes about Nvidia’s products in the last year or so. Then he can go off into a corner and ponder what the phrase “you reap what you sow” means.

    [quote<] I'm sorta surprised, for how much people hyped up this fabled chip over the last year or so you'd expect better results. But it's essentially a 690. Nothing too surprising or 'OMG WORLD SHATTERING!' here. The power draw numbers are neat, but I suspect this will be all lackluster once AMD gets it's framerate consistency problems figured out. The average FPS graph screams 'potential' to me.[/quote<] Link: [url<]https://techreport.com/discussion/24381/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-reviewed?post=710788[/url<] Yup, so the Titan is not world shattering, but the R9...released over 8 months later... is? Yeah, remember kids, saying anything bad about AMD makes you evil, but anything goes for Nvidia. TBH Bensam, if you said that Titan wasn't earth-shattering.. but that the R9 isn't earth shattering [b<][i<]either[/i<][/b<] then I'd say you have a fair point. I would never buy a Titan for purposes other than double-precision number crunching, and I don't have that need. Your problem is that you have one set of standards that apply to AMD ("did it burn my house down (even though I don't have one in my house)? No? BEST CHIP EVAR!") and another that apply to Nvidia ("Is it free and does it cure cancer? No? EVIL!"). Next quote about the GTX-780: [quote<]Most disappointing new GPU generation launch ever. This is like getting hand me downs to replace your current clothes. Of course they're nicer then what you're wearing, but they lose their luster when other people have already been wearing them. [b<][i<]While AMD held back[/i<][/b<], I hope their newest bread and butter video card isn't also something like this.[/quote<] Link: [url<]https://techreport.com/discussion/24832/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-graphics-card-reviewed#metal[/url<] Ahh Bensam, nobody can ever accuse you of not brining irony into your hipocrisy. So yeah Bensam... let's get this straight. These stupid Nvidia fanboys are all wrong and stupid when they point out that the R9-290X isn't going to put Nvidia out of business... when it launched 5 months later for $100 less. But wait... the launch of the GTX-780 was.. wait for it... [b<][i<]Most disappointing new GPU generation launch ever.[/i<][/b<] So.. 5 months later.. the R9 is... about the same performance but $100 less. Nice, that it's a little cheaper but.. uh.. if the GTX-780 is the *most dissapointing launch ever* how is the R9 so amazing? Oh note the "while AMD held back" bit.. that's a shout-out to clone who accused Nvidia fanboys of being guilty of using the exact same language in their responses.... what goes around comes around.

      • clone
      • 6 years ago

      chuckula.[quote=”TechReport comments as it gives R290X the elite product award”<]Well, that was easy. The Radeon R9 290X is a bit faster than the GeForce GTX 780 and costs a hundred bucks less. Beats the Titan for nearly half the price, too. So yeah. AMD has substantially reduced the cost of graphics processing power in this category, and it has grabbed the overall performance crown from Nvidia in the process. [b<]What's not to like about a faster-than-Titan graphics card for just over half the price?[/b<] [/quote<] [quote="Hard OCP"<] The Radeon R9 290X is an exceptional value, and allows us to highly recommend the Radeon R9 290X to gamers. It offers phenomenal single-GPU video card performance at a great price. The R9 290X is absolutely the best performer at Ultra HD 4K for a single GPU video card. And consider this, for just $100 above the price of one GTX TITAN, you can own two Radeon R9 290X video cards and use those in a CrossFire configuration. Yes, we will surely be looking into that. Well done AMD. Big GPU Kudos.[/quote<] what are you complaining about?

        • Klimax
        • 6 years ago

        Absolutely brutally bad characteristic signifying how much AMD has to push silicon to even match stock Titan without modification to fan speed? It has to be cheap, otherwise performance wouldn’t be enough to offset power/noise/heat combo.

          • briankdinnj16
          • 6 years ago
          • Klimax
          • 6 years ago

          My post -3, deleted reply -3. Fun….

          • Fighterpilot
          • 6 years ago

          I wonder how many people here would spend another $450 dollars to get a cooler like Titan…?
          /eyeroll

          I have to say its been interesting to read Chucky’s “intellectually honest” posts in this thread.

          Too bad you are a pathological liar tho Chucky….you should have just gone with “intellectually dishonest” and you would have fitted right in with the other NV puppets here.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Those who also want DP performance and don’t like Tesla price and maybe those who wanted max perf. without having noise in the game… (Also timeline kind of is funny, 290x brings it just now, not in February)

          • clone
          • 6 years ago

          notably bad response.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Every single review has also stated that you’re better off waiting for the custom cooled cards. What’s hard to accept about that?

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            they have and they haven’t Airmantharp and regardless context as always is everything.

            every single review has mentioned that in quiet mode the card is competitively quiet & offering superior performance & value, they also mentioned in uber mode the card is notably louder under full load while offering more performance & value in the process. with this in mind every website has objectively factored everything into the results … they haven’t ignored the acoustics just like they haven’t ignored performance and upon considering all aspects they gave the existing cards available today, uber mode and all…… the Gold Awards, the Elite awards, they are calling those the king.

            they aren’t calling the cards that will come out later king, they aren’t calling the cards that’ll be quieter king, they are saying waiting for quieter and cooler is also a good idea but that caveat is not taking away from the objectively determined achievement of the current cards…. and the current cards are the best of the best.

            so are the coolers that are enabling the current R290X to be the absolute best single gpu gfx card in the world that bad?

            mountain out of molehill applies.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Matches performance, while quite more noise then Titan on stock settings, while outputting massive heat and taking more power. Yeah great value…

            • NeelyCam
            • 6 years ago

            Price affects “value”

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Well, if you don’t have to count that bloody electricity dealing with noise and such, then I guess value is there. (And don’t need Tesla-like card…)

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            Klimax it all sounds so bad?…. .so how is the R290X so bad that’s it’s getting Gold Awards, Elite Product awards, it’s been proclaimed the king of cards, an amazing value.

            I just don’t get it ace, their isn’t a review out there saying this card is anything but a game changer, the best card on the market, redefining the market.

            with this in mind Klimax you somehow have formed the opinion that the R290X is terrible?

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            I guess, because reviewers don’t put much value in some characteristics. I guess they can tolerate having noise from fan intruding into game, I guess they live in areas with cheap electricity and I guess they don’t think 95°C is insane temperature which will most likely reduce its lifespan.
            (Note: I am quite tolerant of noise myself, but it shouldn’t intrude into game)

            Awards are quite subjective and frankly, it seems they wanted to have some award for AMD, despite insane product being presented.

            It cannot be game changer, when it barely matches Titan on stock. It cannot be game changer when NVidia will likely have 290x counter ready in a month or so. Game changers are not surpassed in month with zero effort. There is nothing impressive and game changing about product being run on absolute edge of its abilities. That is mine position. (BTW: Titan of course wasn’t game changer as well, for price and positioning as Tesla-light; although other characteristics were good)

            Also note, I never stated it is terrible, I just don’t see what the fuss is about. (Just wait for 780 Ti and 7970/680 scenario to play out again)

            (Pity Techreport has only one res tested, cannot compare mine results with unlocked Titan. I have at best 1080 available and regularly only 1280×1024)

            And last note: Mantle is irrelevant.

            • DaveBaumann
            • 6 years ago

            GPU’s are designed to operate at much higher temperatures and are all part of the lifetime calculation. 95C well within expected operating ranges otherwise we wouldn’t have released it as such. In fact most other of our GPU products have a temp set point at around or higher than this, but their fan control mechanisms where not as sophisticated, so they tended to operate at a lower range; with this fan controller coding we have a targeted operating point of 95C and it is much more accurate at keeping it there. This mechanism actually reduces the number of heat cycles put through the ASIC/package, which has been the route cause of some of the more high profile ASIC failure stories of the past few years.

            But, if for some curious reason an arbitrary number that is of concern, then there is controls in CCC to lower the target temp.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            I knew ahead of time that the target temp was a non issue but am wondering why AMD’s allowing sound to enter the debate.

            is it AMD’s policy to offer a fully functional reference design that leaves room for OEM’s to distinguish themselves from others in the market through the adoption of custom coolers?

            would AMD get some pushback if the reference cooler was too efficient out of the box?

            p.s. congrats on the card.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Sure thing, they can operate, but lifespan will get quite shorter. (And you can design yourself out, but material physics will catch up with you soon enough)

            And that was mine point, AMD has to push card so hard to get to Titan, that lifespan won’t be good and no room for improvements. (In contrast with NVidia, which still has ~3 blocks and 200MHz for use)

            And when you lower temperature, your performance tanks…

            • DaveBaumann
            • 6 years ago

            Read my post again.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Any papers on temp for chips this complex? (Searching doesn’t show anything)
            I’m pretty sure, that there is a reason why this high temps are discouraged and I have seen chips throttling before that.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            One way to look at it is to treat the card’s power draw and heat generation as part of it’s complexity. It’s also very likely that all AMD had to do to ensure that 95c was a safe target temperature was to not skimp on components, as that temperature really isn’t a problem for well-built electronics.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Err, I am worried respectively going after silicon itself. IIRC there were articles about such thermal strain shortening lifespan of silicon. But if somebody has papers or good articles(in-depth if possible) on this, I’d like to read them. (I remembered that I read that Intel’s chip have throttle point between 90-105, but I can’t find it any more)

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Heat over time is certainly a factor of lifespan, but over-volting is much more dangerous, and the primary cause of failure when pushing hardware. That’s where the wive’s tale comes from in the enthusiast community.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Quick search brought both. Tried to do it other way and look for failure rates, but apparently 480 got replaced so fast that it no longer figures anywhere.

            Closest I got so far is French hardware site and they had it show up at latest in 2011:
            [url<]http://www.hardware.fr/articles/831-5/cartes-graphiques.html[/url<] with sub 5%. I guess I can't do anything useful with these results. (Not broken up on cause of failure) Seems we'll have to leave it at that unless somebody has more information on subject.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            Klimax you and a few other ppl who have no experience with the cards are the only ones saying R290X isn’t a game changer, everyone who has experience with it is saying it is.

            you mention R290X matching Titan with scorn…. ignoring that R290X is $400 cheaper…. your position is absurd.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            I have Titan, I know what it can do and where it can be pushed and I am telling you that 290x is nothing more then hard driven chip to the edge to match Titan with associated costs to other characteristics.

            That they HAD to price it lower is undisputable, because its value proposition would be nil. Loot at difference between Titan and 780 and look how constrained Titan is and then you will see why 290x is nothing like game changer, because it doesn’t have necessary safety margins from Titan.

            I know you want to believe that, but facts say otherwise. It can and most likely will be overtaken soon enough.(NVidia just kills DP again and maybe a SMX or so, increases frequency to match)

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            ahhh, a Titan owner, I understand now. if R290X was $100 less than Titan you’d have a point, if it was $200 maybe…. sort of but not really. $300 no point, just an empty criticism. $400 embarrassing are the things you’ve been saying, that R290X is $400+ + tax less expensive kills it completely.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            I have to ask this, though I know it’s personal- do you really believe that the market is static?

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            nope, but you seem to believe that every little shift and change is radical.

            when a card shows up that forces it’s competition to drop it’s prices by 50% and that price drop takes 4 months….. that radical pricing move defined that generation.

            when a product shows up a full year ahead of it’s competition… a full year. that defines the generation.

            I could continue but the result would be the same and has already been covered which is why I’m not big on adding static (details that didn’t change the overall result)

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Why not just relate each change to the results, then? Why try to distort history, or under represent various companies’ failures and achievements?

            You’re not going to summarize a decade and a half of graphics processor history in a paragraph, and come up with something that anyone other than yourself is going to agree on. Literally every point that you glossed over in your post are points that would disagree with your conclusion.

            Are we supposed to take that seriously?

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            Airmantharp when HD 4xxx redefined pricing for the generation it doesn’t matter that Nvidia finally got around to accepting the new pricing, what defined the generation was HD 4xxx coming in 50% lower.

            when HD 5xxx brought DX11 to the table a full year ahead of Nvidia, that defined the generation mentioning that when Nvidia did arrive a full year later they improved upon HD 5xxx’s tessaltion performance…. an at the time unsupported feature outside of synthetic benches… that doesn’t change what happened….. Nvidia was a year late…. that happened.

            you are correct I could have said this:

            HD 4xxx was released and priced 50% lower than Nvidia’s parts at which point it took Nvidia a month to drop it’s prices by 15%, then they offered MIR’s, then the battles between the OEM’s and Vendors started on margins, then XFX began selling AMD gfx and BFG went bankrupt, by this time Nvidia had dropped it’s prices by 30% which was still 20% higher than AMD’s, then Nvidia after several months dropped prices to within 10% of AMD’s competing products and the world moved on.

            Airmantharp I could have said that but I don’t care, what defined that generation was AMD releasing a part that redefined the generation….. nothing that happened later mattered, it didn’t change the overall result.

            so yes I could throw in a mountain of garbage that had nothing to do with shaping the generation but it would all be just garbage.

            had Nvidia launched a product that dropped prices by 50% I’d be saying the same and I wouldn’t care about AMD’s response if it’d taken them 4 months to respond either.

            but look at how long just this one aspect is now and all it says is that AMD redefined the generation by launching HD 4xxx at 50% below what Nvidia was offering.

            1 sentence vs several paragraphs… both say the same, I’m not big on static.

            p.s. their is no effort to distort history, I’m cutting out the bs and keeping it clean.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Let’s take the HD4000-series as an example, since you seem to be fond of it.

            Had AMD priced their product competitively with Nvidia, like they usually do, they would have sold far fewer of them. They’d just borked three years’ worth of GPU releases, lost marketshare, lost mindshare, and lost consumer confidence. No one really wanted their cards.

            They literally had to price them lower to move product. They didn’t want to- they wanted to charge Nvidia’s prices, but they couldn’t get away with it.

            Is it hard to take an objective look at history to see the ‘why’? Do you think that all of this stuff is just magic, that somehow AMD was the saviour of the industry?

            “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” -Jorge Agustín Nicolás Ruiz de Santayana y Borrás, known as George Santayana

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            not asking why HD 4xxx was 50% lower, it was.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            The results?

            Go look at AMD’s bottom line, and their stock prices. Those are the results that matter. They work for their shareholders.

            For that generation, AMD’s market position worked out great for gamers- I owned an HD4870 1GB. But don’t expect that to happen again. Your ‘king of all cards’ here, for example, comes in at $550, crappy cooler included. That is nothing like what happened back then.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            [quote<]their stock prices.[/quote<]AMD's share price matters to AMD shareholders, AMD's HD 4xxx prices mattered to buyers of graphics cards..... HD 4xxx redefined the market for a generation, get over it already. again, I don't care about static.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            That ‘static’ is reality happening around you, and you being completely oblivious to it. Stay ignorant, my friend!

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            personal attacks aside …….yes stock prices matter to someone buying a gfx card.

            keep adding static to simple discussions…. my friend.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            There’s context surrounding every decision these companies make. You can ignore that if you wish.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            irrelevant.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Your posts are?

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            accurate.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Actually, your posts are barely coherent.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            coming from the guy who recommends ppl check the stock value before buying a video card I’ll take it as a compliment.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            And your reading comprehension could use some work too. Unless, of course, you’re purposefully twisting what people say because you can’t bring yourself to admit that they might just be right.

            Be the bigger man, clone. I’ll meet you in the middle anytime.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            their is no “bigger man” in this discussion, it’s gone on too long, only 2 pathetic retards and you are the other one.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Sorry, but you don’t get Titan do you, like many others you missed whole point of it. Hint: Just “gaming card” was never in picture. Hint number 2: What is nearest equivalent chip and what purpose its is.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            yes Klimax I “get” Titan, Titan also happens to be the fastest gaming card along with it’s other abilities, therefore Titan set a standard.

            you really don’t “get” that do you.

            this conversation has grown so remedial.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Nope. You’re trying to pretend to have superior arguing position when you don’t really have. Hint: Compare 780 vs Titan vs 780 Ti vs Tesla and tell me again it is overpriced gaming card.

            It’s price nor market position doesn’t have anything to do with gaming…

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Care to say bit more then just bad reply? Because you just posted bad response without any counterpoint… (Not that you cannot salvage it, because 95°C shows where did AMD had to go to just match Titan)

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            what’s to say Klimax? what am I to say that everyone who’s used the cards and pushed them to their limits haven’t said already?

            Gold Awards, ELite product awards, redefining the market, amazing value, the new king of the high end.

            the card runs at 95c not because AMD couldn’t put a more robust cooler on it but because AMD designed it to run wonderfully at 95c, if they wanted it to run at 85c they would have put a different cooler on it, they don’t need too, it’s designed to run at 95c…. .that’s not a flaw, that’s wonderful… if it could handle 200c I’d love it all the more because it wouldn’t need water cooling when I radically overvolted it for extreme overclocking.

            only in the land of bitter rivalries are attributes seen as flaws.

            to be clear I’d be pretty disappointed if an overclocked Titan failed at 95c when compared to an AMD card running happily at 95c….. I’d be all round pissed off for obvious reasons.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Here, I’ll add a little bit more to the explanation:

            The reviews are for the R9 290X, in general- not necessarily the reference version with it’s horrific cooler, which the reviewers have all included warnings about. The card is, as we’ve all acknowledged, deserving of said rewards.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            See my other reply for more, but awards appear to simply to just have something for AMD.

            Sorry, but Titan doesn’t require anywhere near 95°C to have 290x performance.

            I guess, 480 never happened… and so brute force was never mocked.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            AMD chose 95c as the target, why you can’t understand this isn’t worth my time.

            as for awards being “subjective” I’d agree if we had the old cold war “american judge” and “russian Judge” situation but we don’t.

            the awards are universal, the praise is universal as well.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            They can choose whatever they want, but it doesn’t make it good idea. That they HAD to chose 95°C to get performance they needed can’t be disputed too.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            uninsightful response not worthy of consideration.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            You can not consider his response all you want, but he’s right. With that cooler, AMD had to push the card to the ragged edge to get the performance they needed.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            lol.

            Gold Awards, Elite Awards, best card on the market.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            It’s not the best card on the market- there’s no such thing!

            It brings a high level of performance to a lower price point- and that’s awesome. And the card is awesome, and it deserves the awards it’s given.

            But that cooler doesn’t.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            [quote<]It brings a high level of performance to a lower price point- and that's awesome. And the card is awesome, and it deserves the awards it's given.[/quote<]sigh......why are you still typing?

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Why are you? Does pointing out that some video card isn’t perfect really offend you on a personal level that much?

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            nope. doesn’t offend me at all, I just prefer the facts maam….. just the facts and I never said it was perfect, what I said is that it’s the best card available.

            no perfect, best card.

            so why are you still typing?

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Because it was the ‘best’ card for all of three days. Why are you still typing?

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            bringing it under one roof, look for it.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            I think you got lost on whatever mission you’ve sent yourself on. Let us know if we need to send help!

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            trolling =’s admission of failure.

            thank you.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Actually, I was actively looking for whatever you meant by your ‘bringing it under one roof’ comment, but I couldn’t find it; still can’t. Care to provide a link? I was expecting a forum thread and an invite by PM :/.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Actually, I doubt any cooler will salvage it. There are in the end limits where you can push things. (Ask Intel about Pentium 4 and that used process specifically tuned for it)

            Anyway when can we expect custom coolers again? Looking forward to see how it will fare against my expectations.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Hey now, Pentium IV’s set long-standing clockspeed records! Netburst was designed to clock high- I’m (almost) sorry Intel killed it, as there are still applications that can benefit from the architectural decisions Intel made.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            They didn’t have choice much, because no matter how hard they tried, it didn’t scale past certain point. They hit limits of processes. And I suspect we see same thing with 290x.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Sorry, but that is subpar response, likely because you don’t have anything to counter with. Simple, they can chose whatever target temperature they want, but it doesn’t make their choice right, because too high temperature will shorten lifespan. You cannot go against physics. Silicon will only tolerate such heat for so long.

            Their choice might be understandable, but not right, because otherwise their huge chip would be throttled even more and thus losing not only to Titan, but even 780…

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            plenty of counter with, you’ve offered nothing to consider.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            On the subject of temperature targets, clone is right- there’s no reason to discuss it, it was an engineering decision by AMD. It won’t affect the reliability of the part, and it doesn’t mean that it puts out more heat than it draws, which isn’t significantly more than GK110-based cards.

            The only real conclusion to draw is that AMD is pushing the cooler they used to the absolute limit; we know that the cooler is crap, and that better coolers are coming, though, so that point is fairly moot. We can discuss load temperatures and overclocking potential when those coolers get here :).

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            bringing it all under one roof, look for it.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            We’re here for you if you need us!

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            trolling =’s admission of failure.

            thank you.

      • Krogoth
      • 6 years ago

      Titan is a workstation-tier product that failed QA testing to get Tesla/Quadro badge. Nvidia recycled it as an “Ultra high-end gaming” product for people who want the absolute best no matter the costs like Intel’s own i7-X3970 and i7-X4970.

      780 is a defective GK110 silicon that nerfed DP performance and other workstation stuff for lower price point set as next-step down from the Titan.

      What makes 290x’s launch more interesting than Titan/780 launches is that offers Titan level performance for 1/2 of the Titan’s MSRP and $100 than 780. This forces Nvidia to do price cuts on 780 and 770 in order to make them competitive on price/performance. Not to mention that 290X GPGPU performance is almost as good as the Titan and it utterly destroys 780 along with the rest of the GK104 family.

      The only caveats with 290X it is a bit power hungry and reference HSF is mediocre at best.

        • Airmantharp
        • 6 years ago

        We know binning for defects and tolerance allow vendors to use different parts for different market segments, but assuming that every part used in a lower SKU is defective is a little disingenuous. Reference the core unlocking on various CPUs and video card series, and of course, overclocking itself, as examples.

          • Krogoth
          • 6 years ago

          You happens more often that you like to think. It is fairly rare to find a part that was “artificially” binned by disabling parts of it and it can effortlessly be scaled back up without incident.

          There is indirect evidence points that GK110 is a difficult piece of silicon to fab. Hawaii is in the same ballpark. Higher binned GK104 had problems as well before the yields stabilized as seen with 680/670 launch and later 760/770 launch. The full Tahiti (7970) was hard to come by when it came too. It was mostly 7950s and 7870LEs (binned Tahiti chips).

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            So in your estimation, no company would ever disable good, working units of a processor to meet demand at a lower market level?

            • Krogoth
            • 6 years ago

            They do it, but it is not as commonplace as you would like to think. That’s the why the prefer method of binning tends to be reducing clockspeeds. It is why a there’s a sizable amount of people who can almost effortlessly overclock a lower-tier product to match the speed of the top-tier version. There is a smaller group who are lucky to unlock “disabled” parts without incident. Most of people who try to use “unlocking” disable parts of the silicon end-up having dealing with stability issues from unlocking the “disabled” portions. The same exact why reason it was disabled at the factory. The most notable examples that I can recall off hand were Phenom II X2-X3 => X4 mods, Radeon 9500PRO => 9700, Geforce 6800(NV40 verison) to 6800GT and X1900GTO to X1900XT .

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            I’ll add the HD6950->HD6970 to your list, but yeah, it’s definitely hit or miss, and you’re not likely to get a company to admit to how many parts were dropped to lower tiers due to defects versus how many they dropped to keep up with demand.

    • stmok
    • 6 years ago

    There’s certainly high demand for these cards.

    Here in Australia, they’re just starting to trickle out…Powercolor, Sapphire, MSI, Gigabyte, and ASUS based ones. All use the stock cooler that we’ve seen in the reviews.

    Prices range from AUD$659 to a staggering AUD$849.

    …All appear to be the Battlefield 4 bundle.

    If you go to those stores, they’re either:
    => Sold Out.
    => Pre-Order.
    => No Stock.
    => Arrives in 2 days. (Or some other later date).
    Etc.

    • Pholostan
    • 6 years ago

    Several stores sold all their stock in minutes yesterday. Talk about demand.

      • Airmantharp
      • 6 years ago

      Or supply?

      Though I don’t think that it’s going to be that much of a problem.

        • Pholostan
        • 6 years ago

        I guess we’ll see next week if there is any supply problems.

          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          Or if the demand holds- imagine when people go to buy these cards and all of the reviews say ‘Great price! Super-fast! Returned because I didn’t realize how loud it was going to be!’.

          AMD really did shoot themselves in the foot this time :/.

      • chuckula
      • 6 years ago

      Yeah.. you know the Microsoft Surface sold out too. Talk about demand.

        • antinsa35531
        • 6 years ago
    • Bensam123
    • 6 years ago

    The hate for AMD in this thread… half the comments, by the same people… AMD does something good and they can’t be remotely happy about it.

      • Krogoth
      • 6 years ago

      I don’t understand it either. The Nvidia squad should be glad that there’s competition on the high-end market. 780 and soon 780Ti are going to be faster and more affordable than their predecessors(at least for 780Ti’s case).

      Perhaps, it is a case of buyer’s remorse?

      • chuckula
      • 6 years ago

      Hey Bensam, I’m intellectually honest: I’m more than willing to call Unknown-Error an idiotic Nvidia troll if you can show the intellectual honesty to call Jimbo75 an idiotic troll who actually makes honest AMD fans look bad… can you agree to that?

        • Unknown-Error
        • 6 years ago

        Ok, I’ll be honest. I am neither an Intel nor nVidia fanboi. I am a technology lover with a physics background. But, I really do hate AMD. I hate being cheated on (in the real world that is). I thought Rory Read would bring some professional decency but lately I am not too encouraged with what I see. Still I sincerely hope/pray things will get better with AMD.

        PS: Ok now, back to [b<]troll mode[/b<] ** Evil Grin **

          • anotherengineer
          • 6 years ago

          I didn’t know people with a physics background could be so jaded.
          [url<]https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1050746624/h4CFE66E4/[/url<]

          • Krogoth
          • 6 years ago

          Babby’s first troll….

          • clone
          • 6 years ago

          TR gives it an Elite product award and finishes with [b<]"What's not to like about a faster-than-Titan graphics card for just over half the price?"[/b<] Hard OCP finishes it's article with [b<]" The Radeon R9 290X is an exceptional value, and allows us to highly recommend the Radeon R9 290X to gamers. It offers phenomenal single-GPU video card performance at a great price. The R9 290X is absolutely the best performer at Ultra HD 4K for a single GPU video card. And consider this, for just $100 above the price of one GTX TITAN, you can own two Radeon R9 290X video cards and use those in a CrossFire configuration. Yes, we will surely be looking into that. Well done AMD. Big GPU Kudos."[/b<] and this is the moment you believe trolling is the best route? this is the moment you are most disappointed.... the moment where AMD offers benefits Nvidia decided not too..... if ever their was a time to talk silly yes, certainly it's when AMD sells the faster card for 40%+ less. most definitely an "evil grin" and "trolling" is the best route.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Given that a review has to be written to withstand the test of time, expecting reviewers to stick the ‘but don’t buy this card with the stock cooler!’ line in their conclusions, since that’s largely a given for AMD cards anyway, and because cards with custom coolers should fix most of that problem.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            Airmantharp that’s a horribly bad excuse especially given their will be updated reviews on cards with updated coolers once they come on the market….. c’mon, seriously?…. c’mon, cut it out.[quote=”TechReport”<]But [b<]just like the 290X's rough edges aren't deal-breakers[/b<], the GTX 780's perks aren't deal-makers. Not when one of those crisp new Benjamins is on the table. Nvidia desperately needs to cut prices, or AMD wins this round on sheer value. [/quote<]straight from the TechReport with no chaser. they know and they make their recommendations knowing. don't be calling TR silly just because you wish they'd make the issue more than it is.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            This is the original review- it’s the one that they’ll reference when they write follow-on reviews for cards with better coolers, for analysis of Mantle, TrueAudio, and for comparison with other card releases like the R9 290 and 780Ti. I absolutely don’t expect them to be hyper-critical about a feature that doesn’t degrade performance; yet they were very clear about how they felt:

            [quote=”Scott Wasson at The Tech Report”<]AMD calls the card's default fan profile "quiet" mode and the more aggressive 55% profile "uber" mode. You can see why I've resisted calling the default profile "quiet." The 290X ain't exactly that. Switching the fan to uber mode pushes the 290X past 50 dBA, which is somewhere near my personal threshold of true annoyance. Premium graphics cards have been making strides toward good acoustic citizenship in recent years, and we lauded the Radeon HD 7990 for furthering that trend. The 290X sadly loses ground on this front. Yes, it's possible the tweak PowerTune with a lower fan speed threshold, but you're sure to lose performance if you do so.[/quote<] We can all just copy and paste different paragraphs from the same review and pretend that the rest of the review doesn't really exist.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            instead of cherry picking moments how about you look at the conclusion…. the part where they put all the little segments together in context and objectively come to a result.

            that’s what I did.

            you on the other hand continue to dig data you want to manipulate to push your own view in the process ignoring what the ppl who have the experience with the product have said…… in effect calling them idiots, hacks, lyers, fools, dolts.

            at the end of the review when they objectively consider the pro’s and con’s of the current product….. yeah that moment….. that’s the moment where every website decided to give the current R290X the gold awards, the elite product awards, where they proclaimed it the king of the cards, superior to Titan…. a bargain.

            you on the other hand have repeatedly decided nope, they don’t know anything so you’ll just manipulate the data to form your own personal position that disagree’s with everyone who’s actually used the cards, tested the cards, experimented with the cards.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Hey, the only data I’ve ‘manipulated’ has been numbers from reviews other than TR’s which you cited first- I actually went to other reviews to evaluate the points you’d made, to make sure that I wasn’t off base.

            And no, I’m not calling anyone anything. I’m not insinuating anything about anybody. I’ve recognized that not everyone does their proper research before spending $550 on a video card, in particular in response to Krogoth’s assertion that AMD’s target market is not made up of people who give a rats about noise, sure. But I respect people’s decisions.

            My point, since I saw the very first numbers for this card on Anandtech, even before they’d actually put up the article text, can be summarized by saying ‘man that card is fast, but holy crap is it loud, better wait for the versions with the custom coolers!’.

            Sure, it’s a great value today, if you can find it in stock at a reputable retailer and if you don’t mind the noise. But if you read the reviews and you saw just how loud this card can be, and you know that cards with better coolers are undoubtedly coming, you’d know to hold off.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            when you cherry pick one or two elements and ignore all others that leads you to disagree with those who’ve actually used the parts, tested the parts, objectively compared the parts……

            you are calling them idiots & incompetent en mass by assuming they don’t have ears capable of judging.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            I’ve already quoted Scott’s judgement, and the only thing I’m ‘cherry picking’ is all of the noise results!

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            and then blew them out of context……. how is it that Scott gave the card an elite product award while you consider it a bad choice?

            when the best you’ve got is “look it’s louder so it’s bad” and then you push that as a conclusion….. well Airmantharp, that’s cherry picking the results.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Not really- the card is great, the cooler is bad. Custom cooled versions will be excellent, and deserving of the awards that the card has gotten. And I’ve already said that- before TR even posted their review, after they posted the review, and even after Nvidia dropped their prices.

            I really think that you’re the one ‘cherry picking’ comments that aren’t completely favorable and trying to shout them down. It’s not constructive, and it doesn’t work, as you might have noticed.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            omg… the elite award, the gold awards the universal praise says the cooler isn’t that bad.

            you are blowing the issue out of proportion.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            No, they don’t. Not at all.

            It’s a given that every AMD partner is going to ship custom coolers as soon as they can, as AMD hasn’t ever bothered to build a reference card with a cooler you’d actually want to use. They don’t even try.

            So why harp on it or dock the card for that? Those aren’t the cards that most people will buy. And yes, every reviewer has commented on just how loud the cooler is, and that custom-cooled versions are indeed coming, and that if a low-noise computing environment is something that you value, you should wait.

            Why is this distinction hard for you to understand? It’s been this way for a decade!

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            if you want to buy the best graphics card today buy the R290X… it’s not complicated, very simple actually.

            it’s not hard for me to understand Airmantharp, if you look at my sig in the forums it says.

            “splitting hairs the reason for every prolonged discussion on the web.”

            here we are and now you know why I use it as my sig, you can split hairs all you want it won’t change the overall result….. best card on market R290X…. in a cppl months things might change…. they always change… so we shouldn’t buy anything because it’s going to change?

            whatever.

            if you want to wait why not wait until next year, R290X will come down in price, quieter coolers, a new generation will come out it’ll all be good….. how about waiting 2 more years it’ll all be different then?……but if you are buying today…. hands down, no dispute, best card on market.

            R290X.

            you hear it all the time, whenever someone mentions “buying a video card” the first or maybe 2nd response is “wait for prices to come down”… they’ll never be free, sorry, never going to happen yet ppl push others to wait months in the hope of saving $20 on an MIR….. stupid.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            How long did I say to wait, exactly? Indefinitely?

            Is less than two weeks too long? Is that an eternity for you?

            Because that’s all it’s going to take. As predicted, not even a week later, Nvidia dropped the prices on their competing products again, and they have another, faster card to slot into their lineup.

            And then there’s the custom-cooled R9 290Xs that can’t come fast enough.

            But yeah, we should all just rush to buy the loudest single-GPU card made in the last three years, just because we can’t wait a week or two! That’s great advice!

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            [quote<]we should all just rush to buy the loudest single-GPU card[/quote<]correction, the best single gpu card.... "best.".... as in the best card in it's segment. if you want to wait, wait, I don't care but calling the card anything less than the best atm is incorrect as determined not by me but by the ppl that have actually used them. get over it already.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Far from best- and fastest only for a few days. Good fun this selective view of history, eh?

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            best card, determined by every website that’s reviewed it, sorry you can’t change that.

            no selective view, just reality, in a cppl weeks I’ll have more to say on it but as of right now, best card.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            For less than two weeks. Literally. And worst cooler AMD has produced since the HD5870, also determined by every website that has reviewed it, along with the recommendation to wait for versions with custom coolers, which are nowhere to be found!

            So, if you want R9 290x performance without all the noise, you can just buy a GTX780 for $50 less and overclock it a little, and it’ll still be less than half as loud as AMD’s new halo product. And yeah, the more you overclock that 290X, the louder it gets, same with the GTX780, but the GTX780 will always be able to match the 290X’s performance at a lower noise level, at a lower price, and with a better game bundle.

            Go AMD!

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            bringing it under one roof, look for it.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Are you still lost?

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            trolling =’s admission of failure.

            thank you.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            The fealing’s mutual :).

        • jimbo75
        • 6 years ago
          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          Per JAE:

          “Try not to run afoul of rule #10 yourself.
          [url<]https://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=11214[/url<]" If you're going to sling crap, sling it at the product/article in question- there's no need to sling it at other people. /notamod

            • briankdinnj16
            • 6 years ago
      • BlackDove
      • 6 years ago

      Have you seen the G-Sync or any Nvidia threads?

      It’s people saying that the technology is BS, or saying how they want it for free from their AMD cards.

      And how is a GPU that is louder, gets to 95C and barely outperforms Nvidia’s last generation that good?

      I don’t understand why anyone would buy one to be honest, especially since it doesn’t look like they introduced frame metering that works in this GPU either.

        • NeelyCam
        • 6 years ago

        I agree with this.

        Somehow this release has woken up AMD fanbois, and they don’t think about this logically

          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          You know what’s really bad?

          This discussion is much less coherent than the one at HardOCP. Brent has even dropped into the thread multiple times, and has said ‘do not buy this card, it’s too damn loud, wait for the custom coolers’.

          When did all the trolls migrate from [H] to TR?!?

            • NeelyCam
            • 6 years ago

            Somebody lost their cool… I just got five IMs with clumsy personal attacks from two different accounts – both now banned.

            But I understand. Calling a Finn a “yank c**t” will definitely make this card quieter and triple the available stock

            • chuckula
            • 6 years ago

            You see Neely, you are still the master. Nobody cares enough to send me IMs. Oh well.

            • briankdinnj16
            • 6 years ago
            • briankdinnj16
            • 6 years ago
            • chuckula
            • 6 years ago

            Really Spigzone? You know, I originally said that I didn’t want your account banned since I’m a pretty strong proponent of free expression. Now, however, I’m going to have to agree with the decision to ban you.

            • Pwnstar
            • 6 years ago

            What did he say? I missed the fun. =(

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Some kind of nonsense including death wishes and I think I spotted 9/11 references and like.

            Very incoherent, offtopical, noise,…

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            0/10 Just noise not even trying.

            • Unknown-Error
            • 6 years ago

            LOL! Same here. I got about ten abusive, threatening IMs. I thought they were moderator warnings due to my recent behaviour 😉 :D. But it certainly wasn’t that. People can openly call me out. Call me a troll. Debunk what I say! Thats perfectly fine and actually expected. But this shows how low some AMD fanbois are. Trolling is only good as long as its done by them. Just check announcements about new Intel or nVidia products & technologies. How many butt-hurt AMD fanbois go on the rampage. People accuse Apple fanbois of being the worst but seriously they are not even close.

            But don’t worry. I won’t be trolling anymore. Promise. 😀

      • Unknown-Error
      • 6 years ago

      Aaaww……come now. Let me pat you on the back. Its gonna be ok child. AMD’s final demise is not going to hurt (much). Life goes on…

      * evil grin *

    • Bensam123
    • 6 years ago

    This is the way popular launches go… Everyone wants to buy, not enough stock to go around. Newegg doesn’t take backorders, so they show actual stock on their site… which fluctuates with buyers and can easily show this behavior.

    • jimbo75
    • 6 years ago
      • Chrispy_
      • 6 years ago

      That’s pretty inflamatory, but yeah – I’d be smarting if I’d bought a 780 in the last couple of months.

        • chuckula
        • 6 years ago

        It’s almost like jimbo75 is reliving his experience of when he bought that full-price HD-7970 right before the GTX-680 launched with better performance and a lower price… oh, but the GTX-680 didn’t sound like a jet turbine, so I guess that’s not an apt analogy.

        Remember kids, AMD is the only company in the history of the entire world to introduce a product at a lower price than an existing product from a competitor. This is truly the first time in the history of computers where there has been a price cut to hardware!

          • clone
          • 6 years ago

          AMD HD 4xxx decimates Nvidia on price, HD 5xxx beats Nvidia to market by a full year, HD 6xxx ties Nvidia, HD 7xxx beats Nvidia to market by 6 months (680 was a paper launch for it’s first 2 months) and undercuts Nvidia’s best by $50 at the time and here with are with AMD R290X beating Nvidia again in performance while also undercutting Nvidia again on price this time by 45%.+ tax.

          what are you trying to say?

            • chuckula
            • 6 years ago

            That you are a hypocrite who selectively points out good things for AMD while ignoring the bad things and selectively pretending that every Nvidia part ever made has been some sort of disaster?

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            your best is a personal attack?…. as boring as it is revealing.

            so HD 4xxx didn’t kill Nvidia on price? (was a disaster for Nvidia)
            so HD 5xxx didn’t beat Nvidia to market by a full year? (was a disaster for Nvidia)
            so HD 6xxx wasn’t a tie overall? (not a disaster)
            so HD 7xxx didn’t come out first by a full quarter and Nvidia didn’t paper launch GTX 680 for 2 full months after? (while not a disaster it wasn’t good)
            so R290X doesn’t outperform Titan while selling for 40% less + tax. (while not a disaster it’s a definite disappointment for Nvidia)

            where is the hypocritical comment in these facts ace?

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Don’t be too picky- we can go down the line and tell the whole story, and it isn’t so cut and dry as you’re painting it. This isn’t a one-way thing; it’s a back-and-forth thing :).

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            never said it was, this story has been ongoing with merits to both positions but in the last 6 years while Nvidia has done well AMD (in gfx) has done better or at worst held it’s own…. the 6 years previous it was almost all Nvidia but Nvidia has since focused on enterprise revenues and are now looking to become a genuine competitor to Apple and Intel, they are looking at past AMD… I believe overall everyone is.

            to be clear Nvidia’s route may very likely be the better one, Samsung while a strong competitor lacks the brand faithful Apple has, Samsung is the commodity. a brand clash between Nvidia and Apple would be very lucrative for Nvidia if they can get it noticed once their products are in place.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            If we’re moving the discussion to the mobile space (or the CPU space perhaps), you’re right on-

            But in the desktop graphics space it’s been Nvidia ‘leading the way’ since they fumbled the FX5800 Ultra; and that fumble was based largely on mis-forecasting developer requirements. They largely ‘led the way’ before that point with the first GeForce, where they left 3Dfx behind.

            Now, AMD/ATi has been ahead plenty of times- as I said above, the two have traded places since 3Dfx went down and ATi got serious about gaming- but here’s an alternate history for you:

            For DirectX 8, that’s Radeon 8500 and GeForce3/4, AMD’s initial drivers were horrific, and improvements over time allowed them to use the same GPU to compete with both Nvidia generations. Nvidia was the more solid card to own, over all, though the Radeon could be faster at times.

            For DirectX 9, ATi’s R600/Radeon 9700 Pro was the reference platform, and wiped Nvidia’s releases. Nvidia didn’t recover really until their 600-series, where both held performance/price/feature parity.

            For DirectX 10, Nvidia’s G80/8800 Ultra was the reference platform, and ATi’s HD2900 was a miserable flop. The HD3700 was an improvement, in that it put out reasonable numbers, but it was still quite far behind the 9000-series; both were essentially retunes of the previous generation. AMD’s 4870 was the first DX10 GPU they released that had real performance potential, but AMD had lost so much marketshare and mindshare that they had to price it in the gutter; this resulted in historically low GPU prices from both companies. Nvidia held the performance advantage due to using larger GPUs in the GTX200-series.

            For DirectX 11, the HD5000-series was a performance improvement, but was disappointing in the one area that made DX11 special- tessellation. Nvidia’s Fermi architecture was much more adept, and was overall faster, though also more expensive, and louder than the already loud AMD cards. The HD6000 series improved tessellation performance significantly and brought cards with higher standard memory and quieter cooling than previous AMD cards, but were still louder than the Nvidia cards and were a bit slower. This was the first generation that people really got into multi-GPU, and this is the generation that Nvidia started putting frame-pacing technology in their cards, resulting in a significantly better, but far more expensive, experience on the Nvidia side, given that you had to buy the Nvidia cards that had extra memory, and that they didn’t come cheap.

            For DirectX 11.1, the HD7000-series was competitive, but wasn’t significantly faster than the HD6000-series; but they were louder, in stock form. Nvidia’s latent 600-series matched the AMD cards using smaller GPUs, and Nvidia began to focus more heavily on cooling, resulting in cards that were initially a fraction faster than AMD’s options while having far better drivers across the board and being infinitely quieter. AMD slashed prices as a result. Further, Nvidia released two full-size parts at stratospheric price-points, though both were largely in line with their performance standing relative to the fastest cards at the time, making them acceptable values for high-end gaming and consumer compute applications.

            And that brings us to today, where in DirectX (featureset) terms, we have a new AMD card that’s priced to move, putting pressure on Nvidia, that supports a few new features within DIrectX, and supports a few rather intriguing features outside of DirectX (for now). Nvidia has responded with a pre-emptive price cut, though not enough, and has announced a higher-performance version of their top-end consumer gaming card.

            To summarize performance, as above, Nvidia has almost always lead for each node/generation/DirectX level, sometimes by some pretty wide margins. AMD/ATi have had their days, though, and have stumbled more often than their competitor, in terms of hardware, drivers, and support. Again, that’s on average- we can cherry pick scenarios to show either as the ‘clear winner’.

            To summarize pricing, let’s just say that Nvidia has always been quite proud of their products, and that AMD has priced their products according to their market situation. Both companies lower prices in the face of aggressive competition, and both companies try to make a quick buck when they get their next-generation cards out first, only to lower prices significantly later.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            so HD 4xxx didn’t kill Nvidia on price?
            so HD 5xxx didn’t beat Nvidia to market by a full year?
            so HD 6xxx wasn’t a tie overall?
            so HD 7xxx didn’t come out first by a full quarter and Nvidia didn’t paper launch GTX 680 for 2 full months after the 4 months it had fallen behind?
            so R290X doesn’t outperform Titan while selling for 40% less + tax.

            I can’t talk about DX 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8.1, 9, 9a, 9b, 9c, or the early stages of DX10….. it’s ancient history that has nothing to do with AMD’s work in desktop graphics nor reflects the choices Nvidia has made since AMD entered the market.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            You brought up history, I filled in the blanks. But to respond to your questions:

            HD 4xxx DID kill Nvidia on price- that got a mention. However, you can’t talk about the price unless you talk about why. ATi/AMD completely flubbed HD2xxx and HD3xxx, and wanted to catch up. To do that, they had to do more than convince the community that they their new product was fixed, they had to price them to really move. They were losing their foothold on the market altogether.

            HD 5xxx came out, but didn’t truly ‘beat’ Nvidia; rather, it made AMD more competitive. Cool. It still didn’t bring anything ‘new’ to the table, which Nvidia did.

            HD 6xxx wasn’t a tie overall. It was close, but at 1080p or lower, Nvidia was the better deal for one or two card configurations; AMD’s real value was the inclusion of cards with 2GB of VRAM at lower price points, but again, that only really mattered above 1080p. Note that many people got burned by putting two HD6000 cards in CF, only to deal with constant driver issues, several of which aren’t even fixed today.

            HD 7xxx was six months ‘ahead’, but it was also overpriced- how short our memories are! It was also hotter/louder than the HD6000’s despite being built on a smaller process. By the time the prices became reasonable, that is when Nvidia released competing cards, they had to literally slash their prices, as the Nvidia cards represented a much better option for the majority of the market.

            And yes, as stated everywhere, the R9 290X is as fast as Nvidia’s ‘prosumer’ card while being significantly less expensive, and it’s faster than Nvidia’s top consumer card while being $100 less expensive. When cards with decent custom coolers arrive, that’s going to be a pretty big deal, assuming that happens before Nvidia releases their next card and responds to the pricing pressure.

            I know you’ve been around a while, and again, I respect your intelligence, opinion, and perspective, but I’ve also been following this market as a primary hobby since before we had ‘3D’ cards, playing games, reading reviews, and buying cards the whole time. I remember when each of these companies screwed up and when they knocked it out of the park, and I can talk about this all day.

            If you’d like to discuss it more, I wouldn’t mind planning a vacation to whatever part of the world you call home, and stopping by with a six-pack :).

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            Airmantharp you didn’t fill in blanks you added noise.

            I don’t care why HD 4xxx sold for half the price, it did…. no confusion, very simple.

            HD 5xxx brought DX11 to the table a full year ahead of Nvidia… it happened, no confusion, very simple.

            HD 6xxx was a tie overall, saying their were differences between Nvidia and AMD that lead to each manufacturer winning in some segments while losing in others….. a tie.

            yes HD 7xxx beat Nvidia to the market by 6 months with parts that were $50 cheaper than Nvidia’s, calling them overpriced is a double standard. Nvidia’s late arrival was then beaten by refreshed Ghz editions that highlighted Nvidia’s architectural shortcomings at which point the discussion moved to drivers. the choice to push in this direction was always going to be problematic because software is fixable which has since happened….. worse for Nvidia original HD 7xxx bits are now getting enhanced GCN support that Nvidia can’t do for it’s older or existing bits, it’s why Nvidia’s product is feature weak.

            yes I agree as stated everywhere R290X is the best card on the market and that is a big deal…. that it will get even better over time is a platitude that doesn’t diminish the gold awards, the elite awards, the universal praise the current R290X is getting now.

            Airmantharp if we discussed it in person we’d probably nuance an agreement much sooner and drift onto other topics…. text tends to radicalize positions when facing an opposing view.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            It seems like you’re stuck on seeing AMD through rose-colored glasses- that’s okay, just note that neither company is actually worthy of devotion. They will both screw you first chance they get.

            You can also revel in AMD’s ‘awards’, when all they did was exactly what they were expected to- including screwing up the cooler :).

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            no devotion, just the results. I’m not big on adding noise.

            p.s. I agree both companies will screw us if they get a chance….. everytime. AMD didn’t do us any favors when they confidently owned the cpu crown that’s for sure.

            on a side note: while I bought AMD product I think I bought a lot more Intel during that time…. lol, go figure.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            You’re not big on adding noise, yet you try to shout down anyone that points out how noisy the cooler on the R9 290X is? Do you want the TR community to label you as a hypocrite?

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            I’m not shouting down anyone, the noise is all you want to talk about and all I’m saying is it’s not that bad because the card is still getting Elite Awards, Gold Awards, universal praise despite your singular focus on the cooler.

            is the cooler louder in uber mode … yes, so?.. it’s still the absolute king of cards and winner of all the awards. gee, must not be that bad.

            which is what I’ve been saying all along, that’s not shouting down anyone it’s highlighting that it can’t be that big a deal if it’s getting all the awards.

            waaaaaaaaay back in the day Airmantharp when Nvidia launched the 5800 ever so briefly before pulling it… that card had a cooler so bad that THG felt compelled to record it in operation and offer up the audio in it’s review.

            that’s bad… .it was a deal breaker.

            R290X… not so bad.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            How is twice as loud as an already not-quiet card not bad?

            How is a card that’s only marginally faster than the cards it is being compared against, that have been on the market for months, ‘the absolute king of cards and winner of all awards’? Sure, it got awards for value, and it deserves them, but we knew that it would only be ‘marginally king’ for only a few weeks at most, before it was released.

            Do you expect people to take any stock in your opinions when you make arguments like that?

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            it’s not my opinion it’s everyone who’s actually used the cards opinion.

            I’m not telling you it’s not that bad every single reviewer who has tested the card has given it not a silver award but the gold award, they aren’t giving it the “it’s ok award” they are giving it the Elite Award.

            armed with this universal praise and the reality that you personally have never touched the card, operated the card, tested the card….. you call it crap.

            and you question the value of my opinion which isn’t mine btw, it’s the webs.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            I’ve used, heard, touched, and otherwise experienced loud cards. I know what the decibel numbers mean, and how they relate to actual usage, and how they’d affect the process of configuring a system.

            But please, keep insisting that an award at the end of a review somehow invalidates anything else the reviewer said. I’m sure Scott would appreciate you skipping pages and then touting your interpretation of his work as fact.

            And yes, your opinion will be judged by the ‘web’. You might try Reddit, they seem to be most inviting to the disillusioned.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            [quote=”R290X test results conclusion written by Scott”<]But just like the 290X's rough edges aren't deal-breakers, the GTX 780's perks aren't deal-makers.[/quote<]not my opinion Airmantharp, it's Scott's that I'm quoting. R290X... cooler n' all. best card, get over it.... best at least for now. Nvidia's got 3 months to respond, any longer and both will just be trading blows leading to what would likely be an overall tie. if Nvidia wants to win this round.... conclusively win it that is, I suspect they'll need to compete on price which would be wonderful.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Nvidia’s response comes next week. You know that (or you live in a hole). They’re already competing on price.

            Again, it’s the loudest single-GPU card released in the last three years- that takes some serious neglect!

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            your personal attacks aside how does that change the fact that it’s still the best card available today and or prior to the recent announcements?

            pls stop crying over and over and over about the same thing over and over and over.

            I get it you didn’t like the chart that said it was louder, you complained endlessly about it, you claimed the ppl reviewing the card didn’t know what they were saying, then you claimed they didn’t understand, then you claimed they were writing articles to reflect what will happen in the future because obviously they didn’t understand.

            none of it was true.

            best card, conclusions said so, not mine but those that used it.

            no mystery, I didn’t miss anything, you don’t hold divine insight, you were wrong, pls stop crying about it….. over and over and over again and again.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            I disagree whole-heartedly that AMD’s R9 290X is the ‘best’ card. The ‘best’ card would be a card that is actually well-rounded, and this one isn’t. It has one of the worst coolers AMD’s made on it. It has no overclocking headroom without *significantly* increasing load noise levels. And custom-cooled versions haven’t even been announced.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            those that tested gave it #1, when different cards come out later they’ll probably be better…so? congrats on stating the obvious, the master of the platitude.

            this is now, that will be then and nothing that happens then will change what happened now.

            best card, and you have admitted it.
            [quote=”Airmantharp”<]Because it was the 'best' card for all of three days. Why are you still typing?[quote="Airmantharp again"<]For less than two weeks. Literally.[/quote<][/quote<]that's fine, thank you, were done.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Yes, yes you are done. Good job!

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            R290X #1, you agree, all good.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Nope, it’s not #1.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            you already mentioned it was, can’t take it back now, sorry.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            I put it in single quotes for a reason. Care to take a guess as to what that implies?

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            multiple implications don’t change acknowledgement.

      • brucek2
      • 6 years ago

      The 780 has been shipping for 5 months (and the Titan, 8 months.) That’s long enough for there to be an expectation that there’d be something newer or shinier by now.

      Speaking as a 780 owner, I’d love to have saved the $100. But I couldn’t have waited 5 months to do it because my previous card was dying. On the performance side, I’m less “butt hurt” because I don’t really have a sense yet for how well the 290x would perform in my house when dialed down to the noise/heat levels that are acceptable to me (or, conversely and hypothetically, since I couldn’t see myself going this way: how the 780 would perform when OC’d up to the 290s noise and temp limits.)

      When I bought the card it was with the hope that a 4K monitor at an acceptable price might appear before I next switch card(s), at which point I’d likely buy a 2nd 780 to drive it. If it turns out that 2x 290x will drive a 4K much better than 2x 780, then I really will be bummed. Or if we soon start seeing games that require more than 3GB VRAM I have, which really will piss me off.

        • Klimax
        • 6 years ago

        If Titan I have is any indication, then 290x wouldn’t be much of problem. (The only question would be how low with fan you would go while maintaining temperature headroom for maximum boost)

      • Krogoth
      • 6 years ago

      The Nvidia defense squad is on full force.

      They fail to realize that 290X is the solely needed competition for the high-end GPU market. Prices will become more sane again. It is a win for the customer.

        • Airmantharp
        • 6 years ago

        Who’s defending Nvidia?

        I’d be all over this card if it had a respectable cooling solution, and I’m only running Nvidia due to AMD’s failure to provide a competitive solution- not because I like Nvidia. I don’t.

          • Krogoth
          • 6 years ago

          The reference HSF is sufficient for its intended purpose. Is there room for improvement? Most certainly. Outside of die-hard fans, the people who are complaining about noise/thermal levels would also avoid Titan and 780 for the same reasons.

          The sheer demand for 290X proves that they are more than enough buyers that are willing to get the 290X despite the shortcomings of the reference HSF.

          You are making a mountain out of a minor issue for the 290X’s intended market segment.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Sorry, the Titan and 780 are within two decibel of the quietest card tested, and here at TR that’s seven decibels below the 290X- and ten decibels below Uber mode.

            Only a complete lack of acoustic engineering can be faulted for that, and only a die-hard AMD fan would buy a card with that blower on it (or those seeking to water-cool).

            Using a little more power, fine. Being a little louder, that’s cool- being at least two times louder? Not cool.

            Also, it’s a little insulting to AMD’s target market to generalize that they’re too stupid to read a review to see just how annoying this stock cooler is going to be.

            • Krogoth
            • 6 years ago

            Correction, only people who want performance and don’t care much about power consumption and performance.

            I get it you consider noise/power consumption to be important, but there are people out simply don’t care about them.

            FYI, I do put noise/power consumption into consideration. The 780Ti, Titan and 290X don’t make any sense. I would opt for a 770 and 7970/280 instead if I wanted to get a high-end solution.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Agreed- there are endless hordes of people who don’t care about noise until they get the card into their computer :).

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Is it louder then Xeon 5500 series stock cooler?

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Whoa, hold on there- are you implying that someone would actually use a stock Intel cooler in their workstation?!?

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Not workstation, but server. And it is not even stock cooler per se, because you need to buy it separately, but it does cool the chip extremely well for given usage scenario (I don’t think there are many aftermarket cooling solutions which would fit there with good characteristics, because we are talking about different tower/rack mounted/mainboard layout stuff)

            What I know it is loudest fan I ever heard, it is even audible over two 0,5+m thick walls…

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            I’ll check Youtube to see if their is a posted audio clip of it in action….. surprised Tech Report doesn’t link one.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            A guy in the H forum posted one- and quoted the guy as cursing about how loud the card is.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            Hard OCP’s forum keep saying bad gateway.

            nothing on YouTube last night but I’ll check again tonight.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Yeah, don’t know what’s up with that. They usually do maintenance around 4am.

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            someone gave you a thumbs down for this post….. the whole thumbs up & down thing is so worthless.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            It’s a tradition worth keeping, I think :).

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            the first was from me for the sake of tradition 🙂

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            I can live with that, lol 🙂

            • clone
            • 6 years ago

            the forums are back up but the only link is to a spoof video.

            do you have a link?

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            I put one I’d found on my own in the article comments, along with the spoof 🙂

      • Klimax
      • 6 years ago

      Have you been reduced by heat that card outputs to this? I suggest nice walk outside, because that card is not healthy for prolonged period for you…

    • BIF
    • 6 years ago

    Well, I still can’t get a simple answer on how well it folds or whether it’s available in a dual-GPU form factor (for maximum folding capacity with fewest PCIe slots required).

    So I can’t even BEGIN to consider this over a 7990.

      • Airmantharp
      • 6 years ago

      How well it folds? Scale the number of SPs up from the HD7970.

      Will there be a dual-GPU variant? There could be, but it’s not terribly likely, at least not anytime soon.

        • Krogoth
        • 6 years ago

        If GPGPU benches are any indication, 290X should be almost as fast as Titan at Folding. Thermal management is more problematic though if you intend on using several 290Xs. Hawaii eats more power than GK110 regardless what cooling solution is used. For Folding/$$$$ ratio, 670 and its upcoming “760ti” replacement are the best deals. 7950 isn’t too bad either.

    • Krogoth
    • 6 years ago

    Calm down fangirls*, this is pretty standard fare for a high-end GPU has far better value then its competition at launch. The same thing happened to Nvidia with 8800GTX’s release and IIRC, 670’s release. I’m sure there are a few other examples as well that I cannot remember off hand.

      • Airmantharp
      • 6 years ago

      Please, PLEASE keep reiterating that a card that’s over twice as loud as the competition at launch is somehow a good value.

      And don’t mention that by the the time cards with reasonable acoustics that you’d actually want to buy arrive in quantity that said value argument will have likely changed.

      And never, ever read the fine print! There’s nothing behind the curtain!

        • sschaem
        • 6 years ago

        Crysis3 : Titan 50.2db , 290x 53.3db
        Same noise level (1db delta) running furmark.

        [url<]http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-review/19[/url<] The 290x is not silent. but a fully loaded a Titan or 780 gtx is not either.

          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          This is Crysis 3, right?

          Did you look at Anandtech’s performance graphs? They have the 780 beating the 290X, while being 6dB quieter- which means that the 290X is literally twice as loud. They have the Titan beating the 290X in Uber mode, while being 7dB quieter- which means that in Uber mode, it’s over twice as loud.

          Conclusion? The R9 290X is over twice as loud. Oh, and the 780 is less than a dB louder than the quietest card tested- must be insane!

            • NeelyCam
            • 6 years ago

            Massive downthumbs and no response. I guess AMD fanbois just hate facts

            ” Can it play Crysis?”
            “Yeah, but don’t try this at home… you’d go deaf”

            • sschaem
            • 6 years ago

            Again.. 50db for titan, 53db for 290x in Cysis

            If noise is your #1 concern its trivial in both case to lower thermal output to reduce fan speed.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            But if you lower it to the same noise level, would it still be a great value for the performance?

            • Fighterpilot
            • 6 years ago

            And yet..it runs a little quieter at stock than GTX680 while still beating GTX780 and Titan lol
            /fail post

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Based on whose numbers?

            • Fighterpilot
            • 6 years ago

            Info sent by PM as per your request.
            I note that nvidia has had to slash $150 off the GTX780 to compete.
            I guess that means R9 290x is a big success,crowned by Nvidia no less
            /ouch

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Not that I intend to ignore your PM, but why couldn’t you embed a link in your reply?

          • Klimax
          • 6 years ago

          Just reminder that dB are not linear scale.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            If you mapped the SPL of these cards in a linear converted format against FPS- well, AMD would probably ask you to take it down for being too ‘inflammatory’.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            😀

        • Krogoth
        • 6 years ago

        You realize that none of these cards are “quiet” when loaded, especially after running for a while? That’s the whole point behind fan and clockspeed profiles. They are pretty quiet when idling though.

        Complaining about noise levels between the two is like complaining about the noise level of two hot-rods on a drag strip. If you care about noise-levels, you will go for something for more sane like 760 and 7870.

        290X has a better $$$$/performance ratio then 780 at its current price point. 780 is only faster at certain titles. It is namely stuff involving PhysX and “The Way it’s meant to be Played”. The difference itself is marginal at best.

          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          That’s the point, actually- that AMD went 180 degrees in the wrong direction with this cooler. Top-end GPUs were already loud enough, and here they go and more than double the noise. So sure, if you were worried about noise, you’d get a GTX760 or the like, with the Titan cooler- those are available.

          But to get an R9 290X to be as quiet as any of the other current cards tested, AMD’s and Nvidia’s, it’s $550 ‘bargain’ price would suddenly be not so much of a bargain :).

          I’m still waiting for an FPS/dB evaluation. That part of the value picture needs to be explored a little better, and AMD needs more motivation to focus on cooling than just a little chiding in reviews.

            • Krogoth
            • 6 years ago

            You don’t understand the high-end gaming market’s demographic then. They only care about performance no matter the cost, noise and thermal issues. They are just like the aforementioned hot-rod enthusiasts. 2900XT, 8800Ultra, 480, FX-5800 still sold pretty level despite their known noise/thermal issues. The 290X is no expectation.

            The crowd people that do care noise and thermal levels avoid high-end cards and opt for something far more sane.

            • Benetanegia
            • 6 years ago

            False.

            • Krogoth
            • 6 years ago

            Sorry, there’s plenty of historical evidence for this.

            Noise and power consumption may be a consideration for you, but not for *everyone* else.

            • NeelyCam
            • 6 years ago

            Yet you think *everyone*else* agrees with you, and whoever disagrees just doesn’t understand the market.

            • NeelyCam
            • 6 years ago

            Back when I had a gaming PC, I very much cared about noise. My friends who still have gaming PCs very much care about noise. And those are/were high-end without question.

            And if you think the high end market doesn’t care about noise, ask yourself why is every single review site testing noise on high-end cards? Could it be that the high-end market actually cares about after all, even if you don’t?

        • Bensam123
        • 6 years ago

        lol… Apparently now we measure how good a card is based solely on how loud it is? ><

          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          It’s certainly not based on ignoring acoustics altogether, not when they’re this freaking loud.

        • Unknown-Error
        • 6 years ago

        Its not only loud, it runs hot, very hot and sucks in power like no tomorrow. Essentially the Radeon “Fried Egg” Edition.

          • xres625e
          • 6 years ago
          • Krogoth
          • 6 years ago

          None of the cards are easy on power or silent with air-cooling.

          • NeelyCam
          • 6 years ago

          It’s a perfect match for the 220W TDP FX Centurion chip.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Now that’s a little scary- an all-AMD system with their top-end CPU and two of their top-end GPUs. Talk about a system that would actually draw 1000W at the wall and require Bose QuietComfort’s just to use, unless you put it in another room :).

      • travbrad
      • 6 years ago

      [url=https://techreport.com/news/22713/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-is-hard-to-find-online<]Yep the GTX680 was very hard to find at first too[/url<]

      • HisDivineOrder
      • 6 years ago

      I’m pretty sure the Titan and 680 were also sold out when they first came out. Along with the 7970.

      Pretty much par for the course for high end cards when no higher end card seems imminent.

      • auxy
      • 6 years ago

      What’s that asterisk for? (눈_눈;)

        • Pwnstar
        • 6 years ago

        He was referring to you!

        • Krogoth
        • 6 years ago

        It is a joke.

        You know how fanboys get their panties in a bunch over a stupid non-issue like this.

          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          Is it a non-issue for you, or is it a non-issue for your theoretical ‘AMD target audience’ that doesn’t know what a decibel is or why they should care?

            • Krogoth
            • 6 years ago

            The sheer demand for 290X’s release speaks for itself.

            It is so sad that fangirls keep harping on some minor issues thinking that it is end of the world. You may consider noise/thermals to be important (FYI, I’m part of this crowd too), but here’s a little epiphany for you. Not everyone holds them in the same regard.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            A lot of people bought Chevy Cavaliers too- but that’s a little harsh :).

            The challenge here is two-fold:

            A) Most people would expect AMD to release a card that has reasonable acoustics, or would otherwise be ignorant to what the noise test results mean- there’s a whole fricken’ lot of these people. Most will likely exclaim something along the lines of ‘what the hell is that?!?’ when their card hits full tilt, and many will likely wish ‘someone had told them about that’ :D.

            B) Reviewers and customers have been clamoring for AMD to improve the quality of their coolers, especially their blowers, for years on end- and it’s apparent that AMD couldn’t give a rat’s ass. The fact that Nvidia manages to sell cards with nearly equivalent performance at higher prices when they ship their cards with top-notch coolers should clue AMD in.

            Beyond that, it sure would be nice for things like noise to be a non-issue with these products so that we could focus on price vs. performance and feature sets. But for now at least, AMD still considers excessive noise to be a ‘feature’.

    • brucek2
    • 6 years ago

    Why the mad day one rush to purchase? If you don’t absolutely positively need the card tomorrow, why not wait at least a few days to see if information on models with better coolers surfaces, and/or what nvidia’s immediate pricing adjustments are going to be?

    One possibility: a decent chunk of these sales are going to ebay speculators, where there are already many listed at over market price. I’d love to see AMD get out a mass shipment tomorrow and see all the scalpers get stuck.

      • Bensam123
      • 6 years ago

      Because people want it nowwwwww…?

    • shank15217
    • 6 years ago

    Im waiting for the die shrink, hawaii wasn’t meant for the current 28nm process.

    • NeelyCam
    • 6 years ago

    Back when I was hunting for HD5870s and HD5850s, the only place where I could find them was Amazon marketplace ‘mom/pop’ shops. I managed to score two VaporX HD5870s from some random small-time computer parts store in NY,NY while Newgg, NCIX (both US and CA), Buy.com and such were all out-of-stock. This time around, I don’t see anything even on Amazon…

    Now, about the yields… TSMC’s 28nm process is stable now – it can’t be blamed for the low supply. I can think of only a few potential reasons:

    1) TSMC’s capacity is going to some other customers that may have paid extra for priority (e.g., Qualcomm, [b<]NVidia[/b<], or maybe even Apple) 2) There is a 'yield issue' that's caused by a design screw-up - i.e., some process variation analysis was skipped, and now only a small portion of the chips are functional. The worst part in this case is that, as the process is stable, process tweaks won't be fixing it - a silicon re-spin is needed. 3) AMD is intentionally limiting the supply, to create a buzz or something. I don't see any reason why AMD would be doing this, though - they need their 780/Titan killer on the market

      • drfish
      • 6 years ago

      [quote<]I managed to score two VaporX HD5870s from some random small-time computer parts store...[/quote<] I remember doing something similar for almost the same card. I ended up getting mine from Superbiiz. Of course the thing that turned out to be harder than finding the Toxic 5870 was finding someone with Active DisplayPort to DVI-D adapters in stock, lol.

      • sschaem
      • 6 years ago

      1) and its might actually be AMD itself… Sony & Microsoft need about 12 million LARGE GCN SoC, now.
      (Apple A7 are tiny, tiny chips compared to those SoC monsters.)

      yeld problem, hard to imagine. If this was the case, PS4 and XboxOne would become paper launch.

      Is TSM also now producing 28nm A7 ? if so, TSM must be swamped.

      My guess is that the r9-290 might be even more scarce. It would be best to only introduce the 290 when the 290x start to show stock.

        • NeelyCam
        • 6 years ago

        [quote<]Is TSM also now producing 28nm A7 ? if so, TSM must be swamped.[/quote<] I think Chipworks confirmed that A7 is Samsung 28nm

          • jimbo75
          • 6 years ago
            • chuckula
            • 6 years ago

            Jimbo, you anti-AMD shill.

            GloFo’s 32nm is better than either Intel’s 14nm or Samsung’s 14nm!!

            I have exactly as much evidence to support my post as you have SO I WIN!

            • NeelyCam
            • 6 years ago

            How?

            • MadManOriginal
            • 6 years ago

            It’s better because it has more nanometers.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Facts not in evidence. Also you need to look at all parameters, not just one which whole package doesn’t make.

            • Unknown-Error
            • 6 years ago

            Eh? Look, I am sure you have many talents but trolling is clearly NOT one of them. You should leave that for experts like me 😀

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Newsflash: Unknown-Error admitted to trolling!!!!!

            😀

            • JustAnEngineer
            • 6 years ago

            Try not to run afoul of rule #10 yourself.
            [url<]https://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=11214[/url<]

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Was just a joke, also can’t see #10 applying to my post.(Would like to know how that is trolling…)

            • briankdinnj16
            • 6 years ago
    • sschaem
    • 6 years ago

    Checked, not only tiger had the card in stock.
    But amazon, tiger, etc.. all have the card listed

    But out of stock items dont seem to be returned at the top of the list during a search.

    ex:
    [url<]http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-PCI-Express-Graphics-Edition-21226-00-50G/dp/B00FZN2LO0/ref=sr_1_35?ie=UTF8&qid=1382724297&sr=8-35&keywords=radeon+290x[/url<]

    • SCR250
    • 6 years ago

    So where is the obligatory “Low supply must be because of BAD yields” comments. Or is that only reserved when Nvidia launches?

      • Airmantharp
      • 6 years ago

      For either circumstance, we’d need access to far more information than we’re ever likely to get. But as is typical with the ‘underdog syndrome’ that plagues AMD inside and out, it’s heretical to discuss AMD’s perceived failures in a negative light.

      Of course, the failure here isn’t the supply- that’ll get fixed right quick. If TSMC can make GK110’s, they can make Hawaiian Islands, and it’s not like AMD forgot how to design a GPU. They’re damn good at that.

      The failure, and the disappointment, is in the cooler. Unlike the last 1.5-2 years of Nvidia launches spanning the release of the HD7970 up until today, you really don’t want to go out and buy the launch card. It’s just too damn loud. You could buy a launch GTX670/680/770/780/Titan and be certain that you’re getting a well balanced part on day one.

      On day one of the R9 290X’s release, literally every reviewer worth his salt made sure to state something along the lines of, ‘the performance is outright incredible at this price point, but wait, don’t buy this card, the good coolers are coming!’.

      This isn’t an AMD vs. Nvidia thing that some people are trying to make it out to be- this is AMD failing to properly round out their product and ship a compelling package.

        • jimbo75
        • 6 years ago
          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          That doesn’t exist? Let’s say I got a 290X in the mail today. I’d be pretty lucky, right?

          Except that said ‘really good cooling solution’ doesn’t exist, not yet. If I wanted to use the card, I’d have to live with it as is.

          Even better, though, is that I could have owned a 780 for months now, with a custom cooler that would unleash it’s overclocking potential, and it’d be cheaper AND faster AND quieter than getting a 290 and putting a custom cooler on it!

          If you don’t want to look at the whole picture, that’s fine.

            • jimbo75
            • 6 years ago
            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            For that price I could match the performance with a GTX780- again, months ago, without having to void a warranty.

            R9 290X’s shipping with custom coolers will likely be very good deals- but this reference card isn’t, unless you’re putting it under water. In which case, have at it!

          • Klimax
          • 6 years ago

          Breaking warranty is always good move and very good and bright idea…

          ETA: I guess I forgot /s or at least two posters think warranty is overrated…

    • TwoEars
    • 6 years ago

    More like “New Fancy Half-price Titan Beater Selling Like… well… New Fancy Half-price Titan Beaters!”

    Or cupcakes – your choice.

    • Unknown-Error
    • 6 years ago

    Yes yes AMD. When you can make only a handful of GPUs (<50) and there are about 1000 potential morons, oops, I mean buyers lining up, you can technically say “demand is massive”. AMD can’t even produce its poopship product, wait I mean “flagship” product in decent numbers. But, then again, this is not a surprise.

      • Mat3
      • 6 years ago

      Warning: nVidiot‎ troll on the loose.

      • Firestarter
      • 6 years ago

      Less than 50? What are you smoking and can I have some?

        • Diplomacy42
        • 6 years ago

        Whatever it is, you need it desperately, if that is the most creative line you came up with…

        I feel like I should respond with “… the 70’s called and…”

      • NarwhaleAu
      • 6 years ago

      Mmm very trolly. I’d say less troll sauce, more troll butter to even out the flavour (it is too trolly right now).

    • ssidbroadcast
    • 6 years ago

    ♫[i<]Paper-launch! Paper-launch! Oh-it's-a paper launch! Paper-launch! Paper-launch! Oh-it's-a paper launch! Paper-launch! Paper-launch! Oh-it's-a paper launch! PAPER LAUNCH![/i<]♫ *pop* ba-dum-dum-dum!

    • My Johnson
    • 6 years ago

    It’s only faster when the drivers work. :p

    OK, I’ll show myself out.

      • ptsant
      • 6 years ago

      Well, Crossfire via PCIe works and there are no dropped frames in DirectX11 games, according to pcper. Also, the driver autoconfigures 4k monitors. It seems to me that they have delivered on the driver front. Not yet perfect, but better than the 7970.

    • sschaem
    • 6 years ago

    tiger had the 290x in stock, but it was gone by morning…

    a) AMD produced a handful of cards
    b) there is a mad rush to get the card

    funny, plenty of 290x on ebay… but not at $550. people are bidding over 700$ for them

    Seem like AMD could have priced the initial release at $650 and sell all its fab capacity.

    edit: here is the link I gave on launch day with stock

    [url<]http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8595174&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&utm_source=Linkshare&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=M5xBRlxV1sE&AffiliateID=M5xBRlxV1sE-8zEvGwjwoFAiUs1e10j57w[/url<]

      • Airmantharp
      • 6 years ago

      I really, really hope availability sucks because most of the cards are coming from board partners with custom coolers. I bet they’ve been stripping AMD’s cooler off cards for weeks now.

        • sschaem
        • 6 years ago

        I would pay $50 extra for a 290x with a 780GTX cooler…
        Im just not a big fan (pun intended) for card that just swirl hot air inside a case,
        and thats what 99% of the OEM cooler do on AMD cards.

          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          I’d pay more- and I have paid more in the past. My GTX670’s make the concept of running HD7950’s look outright stupid, due to AMD’s and their partners’ cooling decisions.

          I’m still waiting for AMD to get around to realizing that they can’t compete with Nvidia without actually trying to compete with Nvidia- they have to deliver the whole package. They’ve had the performance since the HD4870 released, and their drivers are almost there- they just need to choose to actually execute on cooling. The HD6900’s were so close.

    • Airmantharp
    • 6 years ago

    I hope most of these cards went to AMD’s partners so that decent coolers could be fitted to them in place of AMD’s abomination.

    Likely only the ignorant and those putting this thing under water were waiting in line to buy one, considering that the conclusion of nearly every review said ‘wait for the custom coolers’.

    • jessterman21
    • 6 years ago

    Weight: 5lbs! What’s the heat sink made of, gold?

    • chuckula
    • 6 years ago

    Post-NDA Question for Scott/Geoff/Cyril: there were rumors that the original NDA lift date was October 16 (or thereabouts) but that it got pushed back to the 24th. Did your NDA always specify the 24th or did AMD change the date?

      • Airmantharp
      • 6 years ago

      Why would you assume that a change to the date that’s under NDA not also be under NDA?

        • chuckula
        • 6 years ago

        Because the NDA expired.

          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          The NDA could easily specify that the details of the NDA cannot ever be released- it is a contract, after all.

            • chuckula
            • 6 years ago

            Oh, I’ll one up that: the terms of the NDA require that nobody ever actually read the NDA!

            More seriously, they can put in a term like that, although whether or not it would hold up in court depends on the jurisdiction since some (not all) courts frown on perpetual terms like that in a contract that is clearly intended for a limited scope of time.

            The bigger issue would be if AMD would get so upset about it that they wouldn’t send out review samples to TR in the future… that is where the real power of the NDA lies when it comes to review sites. Nobody is getting sued for breaking one, but you might get cutoff from future reviews if you misbehave.

            Having said all that… both Anand and the remnants of Tom’s Hardware have been notorious for posting product previews that theoretically don’t break NDA but are basically violating the spirit of an NDA in every way imaginable. I can’t remember the last time that a major Intel chip launched without there being full-blown previews available well before the launch date (maybe the last time was Core 2 or Nehalem?)

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            They could just specify a useful length of time- five or ten years, etc.

            They could also specify damages, such as fines, or even control over a site’s credentials (domain, copyright, etc.) if they’re truly serious.

    • JustAnEngineer
    • 6 years ago

    All of them were in stock at Newegg yesterday. Predictably, demand for a new top-performing card with Battlefield 4 included for $450 less than the competion is high.

      • Dissonance
      • 6 years ago

      When was that exactly? They weren’t in stock when we checked yesterday, and we checked a couple of times.

        • Ryhadar
        • 6 years ago

        I saw the XFX 290X as being purchasable yesterday, it was about midday EST.

        • DaveBaumann
        • 6 years ago

        Yes, they are going in and going out. Overclockers.co.uk etail site has an owner thread on their forum: [url<]http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18551717[/url<]

        • NarwhaleAu
        • 6 years ago

        You needed to check early, as in 7AM early. I wasn’t suprised when I checked back in later that day and everything was sold out. Everyone who had been following the rumors of this card expected it to be $100 higher, maybe more (some sites were claming in the $700s with BF4 included). The sticker price of $550 with BF4 was lower than expected.

        In my experience, this is the same as most launches. If you don’t get it first thing on the day of sale, you need to either be lucky / check constantly (and I can’t be bothered doing that), or wait a few weeks for inventory to catch up with initial demand.

        • JohnC
        • 6 years ago

        You can watch stock history here:
        [url<]http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/amdr9290x/[/url<]

        • JustAnEngineer
        • 6 years ago

        All of those Radeon R9-290X cards at Newegg were in stock around 11:00 PM CDT Wednesday when the reviews first appeared, and they were still in stock at 6:00 AM yesterday just before I left for work.
        [url<]https://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=90058#p1182104[/url<] Considering that you guys gave a complete pass to NVidia's GTX680 shortage last April and May, this accusation against AMD seems pretty disingenuous.

          • Bauxite
          • 6 years ago

          Stay classy TR!

          • WillBach
          • 6 years ago

          Yeah! Reporting high demand for AMD cards totally plays into nvidia’s script!

          • JohnC
          • 6 years ago

          I was refreshing Newegg at that time and I actually ordered the XFX version – it was the only one available at that time and went “out of stock” a few hours later. I also added my e-mail to Newegg’s “auto-notify” system for ALL of the 290x cards a few days before, the only “notification” I received from Newegg was for XFX card.

      • Prestige Worldwide
      • 6 years ago

      More like $100. Its real competition is the GTX 780.

        • jimbo75
        • 6 years ago
          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          The trolls have finally gotten out of bed!

            • jimbo75
            • 6 years ago
            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            The Nvidia ‘competition’ isn’t here yet, and neither are the AMD cards you’d actually want to buy.

            Note that both companies will price their products to move as they see fit. Now that we know what the performance of the 290X looks like, we can start evaluating cards with aftermarket coolers when they hit availability, and we can evaluate the ‘competition’ then.

            But here’s one thing to salivate over- the 780 is ‘almost’ as fast, $100 more, and less than half as loud under load. Some people will buy the 290X despite the noise; some will buy the 780 because of the noise; and most of us will not buy either, because neither is actually a good deal.

            And please, please stop talking about the Titan as if it is actually a consumer product- it’s not. It’s an economical professional card that happens to have a gaming mode, which it happens to do pretty well in.

            • shank15217
            • 6 years ago

            You sound like the fanboi here, jimbo is exaggerating but you don’t have a clue when nvidia will have a response or what it would be.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            We know the card’s name, that it’s coming in November, and that it’ll be faster than the 780. That’s at least a clue.

            • jimbo75
            • 6 years ago
            • Benetanegia
            • 6 years ago

            [quote<]Complaining about a $100 cheaper and ~20% faster card because of noise and temps is totally ridiculous. Changing the cooler is a 30 minute job.[/quote<] This is what a friend once told me about a similar comment (he builds and repairs PCs for a living): "I'm not going to do the job that <company> should have done in the first place. Plus I charge 100 € per visit, so I rather pay more for a finished product and work a little longer. I don't want to work at home." Also voiding the warranty on day one just because, doesn't sound very intelligent to me, honestly. Doing it, as an enthusiast, because you want to find max OC... ok. Doing it, as a consumer/gamer just because they don't give you any other option to get a properly operational product at stock? No thanks. intelligent move? Wait a few frakking weeks until custom cards are released! (or is it that you know it will take much longer, so you're doing damage control?) Really, stop making excuses for a terrible stock cooler.

            • jimbo75
            • 6 years ago
            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Anyone actually paying attention realizes that neither the 780 nor the 290X (nor the Titan, for gaming) are good deals. The 780 and Titan never were- and that’s okay. If you actually need the performance, you pay the price for what’s out at the time.

            The argument isn’t, and has not been, ‘go buy a 780 instead!’, the argument, as repeated literally everywhere, is ‘don’t buy anything yet!’.

            • Benetanegia
            • 6 years ago

            You are making excuses, constantly, on nearly every related post and on various sites…

            No one is directly recomending the GTX 780. Airman surely didn’t. He said that the GTX 780 might as well be as good a purchase for many people, because it has many good attributes that the current incarnation of 290X clearly lacks. He hasn’t said the GTX 780 is a clear winner, he’s rather disputing your argument that Nvidia cards are a joke, which they aren’t. And I can do nothing but agree with that. You know performance and price is not everything there is to a gaming card…

            In any case his most clear and loud argument (and the one I’m making myself) is that anyone wanting one of these cards should wait, and it’s one of the few coherent comments I see in this site in the last couple of days.

            • jimbo75
            • 6 years ago
            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Yet you’re somehow smarter by voiding the warranty on a brand new $550 part?

            The only reasonable alternative is no alternative.

            You don’t have to have a video card right away to play games; or if, somehow you do, there are plenty of options that don’t include buying the loudest single-GPU card released in the last three years.

            • jimbo75
            • 6 years ago
            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Please, keep ignoring the warranty that you’re advocating people break. It’s helping your argument immensely.

            I mean, it’s not like brand new designs don’t have defects or possible reliability issues. Hell, don’t even bother testing the card first- just pluck that nasty OEM cooler off right away!

            • Benetanegia
            • 6 years ago

            He can’t test. He can waste time. Just imagine… 2-3 days until the delivery guy knocks on the door. One more for testing… who knows by then Asus, MSI or GB might already have one of their designs ready to be anounced making him feel… you know like what…

            • Benetanegia
            • 6 years ago

            Sorry, but you are the only one guilty of exactly what you accuse me of. Not everybody wants to spend their precious time looking for and installing aftermarket coolers while voiding the warranty in the process. In fact I’d argue that more than 90% of people (i.e everyone except PC enthusiasts) is not willing to do so.

            So again how does making the sensible decision, wait, make 90%+++ of pleople an idiot. YOU are the one sounding like one more and more, with every single word you write…

            Waiting a couple weeks is intelligent if for nothing but to see how much cheaper the card can get because of competition (between AIBs) and competition (Nvidia).

            [quote<]Sure I could do the same with a 780, but it would cost more and still be slower. Only Nvidiot's would see the 780 as a reasonable alternative.[/quote<] No. Only blatant AMD fanboys would rush to throw $550 in a broken product when they could wait just a few days and get the same product, but fixed, posibly cheaper and maybe even with a few more games bundled or something. [quote<]No I'm smarter because as an AMD buyer I'm smarter by default.[/quote<] But why are we even discussing with you... With this comment you said everything and now I do feel stupid, like 5% more stupid per every post of yours that I spent my time reading...

            • jimbo75
            • 6 years ago
            • Benetanegia
            • 6 years ago

            Again making excuses. Suuuuuuure, let’s risk my health, just so that I can waste $550 on a broken product instead of waiting 14 days…

            Ouch another 5% of my IQ gone… ba, don’t worry I know the cure…

            EDIT: Oh and btw just so you can ignore one more use case scenario in your crusade to make people waste their money, and just for amusement seing how you try to distort it:

            If I myself bought cards in this price segment (which I don’t, because [b<]I[/b<] don't see the value in >$300 cards) the 290X would actually cost me more than a GTX780. Long story short. 50 watts difference, 14-15 hours a day everyday (I work on the same PC, doing CAD and game development), 0.25 euros per kWh = 128 euros after 2 years. I actually typically change my cards every 3 years, but I'll cut you some slack. Either way, to someone in my situation I would recommend 780 over 290X, 200% of the times, every day of the week.

            • sschaem
            • 6 years ago

            Titan 50.2 db, 290x 53.3 …. So is the Titan also broken and people wasted their money ??

            [url<]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7457/59326.png[/url<]

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            From a different thread, edited slightly:

            Anandtech’s performance graphsy have the 780 beating the 290X, in Crysis 3 while being 6dB quieter- which means that the 290X is literally twice as loud. They also have the Titan beating the 290X in Uber mode in Crysis 3, while being 7dB quieter- which means that in Uber mode, it’s over twice as loud.

            Conclusion? The R9 290X is over twice as loud. Oh, and the 780 is less than a dB louder than the quietest card tested- must be insane!

            Anyone can play copy and paste.

            • sschaem
            • 6 years ago

            50+db for the Titan while gaming doesn’t mean the card is broken. stop this freaking nonsense

            And for a $1000 card being 6 frame faster and 2db quieter in Crysis3 then a $550 card is not an achievement.

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Why are you still talking about noise? The card isn’t broke, it works great. It’s just too damn loud, at any price!

            • Benetanegia
            • 6 years ago

            Please read more reviews than the one site that recently created a “AMD center” subsite in the recent times please. Like idk for example the one where you are posting?

            And whoever bought Titan only for gaming, without knowing exactly what they were getting into, yes they might have wasted their moeny. But so did everone buying Ferrrari, Porche and Mercedes going by the same logic. But flash news, neither you or I are anyone to judge what other people do with their money. Titan was never a value gaming card and it was a very well known fact.

            And oh, pff, I didn’t pay attention. Uber mode = 58.9 db, so yeah….
            And in their Crysis 3 test the Titan is 6 frames, so ~12% faster, meaning it’s doing more work in that particular test, higher relative temps, higher rpm, more noise…

            • sschaem
            • 6 years ago

            “Again making excuses. Suuuuuuure, let’s risk my health, just so that I can waste $550 on a broken product instead of waiting 14 days…”

            Stop backpedaling. My comment was about loudness. Titan / 780 GTX are not silent under full load.

            If the 290x is ‘broken’, then the 1000$ Titan is just ‘less broken’

            • Airmantharp
            • 6 years ago

            Well, the Titan isn’t silent, but the 780 isn’t louder than anything else. Still, it’s nice to see you recognize just how loud this new AMD card is. They’ve shattered records that have stood still for half a decade :).

            • Benetanegia
            • 6 years ago

            In the very same review you linked it states very clearly that the 290X is 8 db louder when in non-limited mode. In the quiet mode that keeps the fan at very low load… yes it’s still louder and guess what? That says very little in favor of that POS cooler.

            Every other review including the one here on TR has the Titan and GTX780 at 40 db which is far more silent than 47 db and 51 db (from TR review). Again, I’ll choose to believe 90% of reviews, rather than just the ONE that you choose to nit-pick (which btw happens to have an AMD sponsored subsite).

            So don’t make stuff up, like that I’m backpedaling or any other stupid thing.

            EDIT2: Sorry for a second edit, but I forgot to say that those db levels are obviously for reference GTX 780’s and I’d almost always recommend custom models over reference ones (even if they look so much better IMO and may be “good enough” for most people), which is exactly the same thing I’m recommending for the 290X. Honestly I don’t see the harm in waiting unless one is a fanboy and fears the 780 Ti much??

            EDIT: I suggest you read this btw: [url<]http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290X/30.html[/url<] I don't even want to think what will happen when dust builds up, and dust does build up very fast. After one month of use bam! 10% less performance. Until you clean your PC. idk you but cleaning it every 6 months is annoying enough for me. And no, using solely an air cannister won't help much. We add that to the bill? because atm the 290X would already cost me 60 euros more than a GTX780, on electricity bills and if we keep adding extra costs, just to make it equal* to the GTX780... (*yeah I know the 290x is 2 fps faster, but I'd rather look at the whole package thank you)

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Is dB linear?

            ETA: Looks like I’ll have to mark some posts as rhetorical questions. Or somebody really think that dB is linear

            ETA2: Another typo…

            • Fighterpilot
            • 6 years ago

            Considering how little IQ you started off with that 5 % must be like a hammer blow to whats left.

            • Klimax
            • 6 years ago

            Is that all you got or was left with?

            • tcubed
            • 6 years ago

            Waait a minute… 50w is 8% of total usage being 20% faster… means you get 20% of your time back – how much did you say you’re payed/hour? Compare that to the 128 euros… if you want the bigger picture that is…

            • HisDivineOrder
            • 6 years ago

            You’d stick with a card that has a great cooler out of box to keep your warranty.

        • Bensam123
        • 6 years ago

        Why can’t it compete against the Titan? It’s too slow?

      • Airmantharp
      • 6 years ago

      I’ve got to ask, JAE- would you actually put one of these in your personal system?

      Or would you wait for one that has a competent cooling solution?

        • JustAnEngineer
        • 6 years ago

        I’m waiting for the R9-290. It’s going to be 85-90% as fast for less money and less power.

          • Airmantharp
          • 6 years ago

          So, you’d rather not answer the question. It’s okay :).

      • JohnC
      • 6 years ago

      You lie, only XFX version was in stock.

        • JustAnEngineer
        • 6 years ago

        I was able to add the Sapphire card to my cart. I didn’t place the order, though.

          • JohnC
          • 6 years ago

          Are you sure it wasn’t a 280 version?

            • JustAnEngineer
            • 6 years ago

            Yes, I’m sure. The shipping on it rang up at a few dollars more than you paid for the XFX model, so it wasn’t the least expensive option, but it was still under $590 with Battlefield 4 included.

            Anyway, the point is moot. I wasn’t strongly tempted by the R9-290X with the reference cooler and everything was sold out by the time that I got home from work last night.

            • JustAnEngineer
            • 6 years ago

            P.S.: I was just able to do so again.

      • NeelyCam
      • 6 years ago

      I can’t wait to see how much Newegg will try to gouge the customers when they get a new batch in stock..

    • Unknown-Error
    • 6 years ago

    ** Giggles **

    • chuckula
    • 6 years ago

    So NCIX won’t sell it to you for $550?

    Pfft… what a ripoff.
    I would not sell you one of those cards for $19.95 + S&H!

      • Chrispy_
      • 6 years ago

      Yeah, pre-order only here in the UK
      Worse than that, they’re up for a median £440 which is over 700 bucks.

        • Dezeer
        • 6 years ago

        You do understand that American prices are always without tax?
        Without the 20% VAT that UK has the price would be 367£ or 593$.

          • Chrispy_
          • 6 years ago

          Yep, I do and there’s still significant markup which will vanish once real stock turns up.

      • Prestige Worldwide
      • 6 years ago

      newegg.ca is also selling the XFX model for 599. But we’re talking inflated launch prices, it will drop once a full stock comes in. This happens with every major gpu release, I’m pretty sure the 7970 was going for $599 on NCIX when it launched.

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