The Xbone reviews are out

Looks like the press embargo has lifted on reviews of the Xbox One in anticipation of the console’s impending public launch, so you can now go read reviewers’ impressions at places like Yahoo, Ars, and Kotaku.

I have to admit, I haven’t been reading the reviews so much as nibbling at them, combing through and extracting their vital essences at key points concerning the things that fascinate me about the Xbone-PS4 contest. I’m getting the sense that the key considerations line up something like this:

  • The PS4 has very similar hardware that’s maybe 50% more powerful.
  • The PS4’s DualShock controllers add built-in speakers, along with a touchpad for something vital: pointer control.
  • The PS4 costs $100 less.

Meanwhile, the Xbone is a DVR, maybe? Seems like that’s the response. Also, voice controls and you can wiggle your arms.

I’m not clear on how all of this works out to someone choosing an Xbox One over a PS4, but those are the outlines of the conversation apparently taking place.

More than one reviewer has remarked on how games don’t look that much different or better on the Xbone than on the 360, which is both scandalous and also somewhat predictable to the grizzled veteran of contemporary PC gaming. Some portion of the explanation involves the co-development of these first games for multiple console generations, and the rest can be attributed to the fact that many nerds have poor vision. You decide what proportion goes where.

As for me, I’m going to get back to testing BF4, CoD: Ghosts, AC4: Black Flag, and Arkham Origins on the GTX 780 Ti and R9 290X at 4K. In that task, there is no ambiguity. The generational change is imparting repeated, blunt-force trauma to my rods and cones.

I’ve attached a gallery of 4K shots from Ghosts to give you some of the flavor. Click through and choose "view full size" to embiggen. Just be aware that the impact isn’t quite the same when you’re scrolling and panning across the image with much larger pixels.

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    • kamikaziechameleon
    • 6 years ago

    Add in the insane failure rates day one adopters are having and this is a dud of a launch. MS is in a hole they will struggle to climb out of the rest of this gen. Last gen they started in second and moved 2 first passing nintendo (by some metrics Nintendo still won last gen.) But now they are behind Sony, and sony in general has better repore with gamers. They make better games, foster a better relationship, listen more to what their audience wants and don’t dictate to them.

      • Diplomacy42
      • 6 years ago

      “insane” failure rates? last I heard both consoles had less than a .5% failure rate, so what are you referencing?

    • danny e.
    • 6 years ago

    [url<]http://www.dailytech.com/Deathmatch+PS4s+See+Blue+Light+of+Death+Xbox+Ones+Chew+up+Discs/article33809.htm[/url<]

    • danny e.
    • 6 years ago

    meh

    • bfar
    • 6 years ago

    I jumped ship from xbox to PS3 last gen. The culprit?

    Xbox Dashboard.

    It’s morphed into a cynical ad fest, all clunky and slow. Obnoxious monetisation of the worst kind. It assaults my eyes. Sony deserve recognition for keeping their UI functional and elegant.

    • trackerben
    • 6 years ago

    How do most say it, “ex-bone” or “ex-bee-1”?

      • yogibbear
      • 6 years ago

      The firmer.

      • Diplomacy42
      • 6 years ago

      ex-bone. Furthermore it can be either a noun or a verb.

        • trackerben
        • 6 years ago

        the verb would be triple-x though

    • Arag0n
    • 6 years ago

    Funny that The Verge gave a 7.7 to Xbox One and 7.6 to PS4… And polygon gave an 8 to Xbox One and 7.5 to PS4….

    Cherry picked reviewers that may prefer the PS4… Providing only positives about PS4 and nothing about Xbox One…. Well, I see what you did here. And that’s exactly why tech report is almost out of my reading list… Lately this website is becoming to techy biased. I prefer anandatech, techy but more objective.

      • Diplomacy42
      • 6 years ago

      so what you mean is that you are biased and TR is biased the wrong way…

        • Arag0n
        • 6 years ago

        What I mean is that there is several websites out there that talk better about the Xbox one than ps4, in a more or less even way. Scott just picked what he wanted to hear …

        Nothing wrong with that, this is their website and they can write whatever they want… but that’s not why I used to daily read techreport….

        But so far, objectivity is non existent any more….

          • yogibbear
          • 6 years ago

          On the flipside you could argue that the fact that technically the PS4 is the beefier system than the Xbone and yet the Xbone seems to be (from the reviews you provided scores for) taking the winnings (albeit by a slim margin), that either a) other factors asides from technical performance are much better on the Xbone and this offsets the technical differences or b) those reviewers are also suffering from objectivity issues.

          I would personally say that as long as there’s no single exclusive/developer that you absolutely must play/have to have and you can’t afford both system / renting one for [i<]that[/i<] game, then go with the one with the exclusives that you want & that you'll have friends to play the multiplayer games with (assuming you don't primarily also game on the PC, and therefore some Xbone/PS4 exclusives, are no longer that exclusive (e.g. Titanfall, the Witcher 3, etc.). The technical differences really mean that basically developers that are releasing multiplatform will have to make their game work on the weakest system, and add in bells and whistles to the other system or ramp up the resolution and call it a day once it's optimised and stable. i.e. if that means the weakest system is the Xbone from technical POV (they're both weak systems so 50% slower than an already 4 yr old tech is effectively 5 yr old tech!). then the PS4 has the potential to look slightly better / run slightly better. But it is potential only, and most publishers are probably too lazy to encourage their developers to do this work if the Xbone version is good enough beyond a resolution bump and maybe some extra AA/AF, or lighting/shader details. TLDR: Scott is right that assuming all external factors (friends, exclusives, etc.) don't count, the PS4 is the better of the two, but it only has the potential to be so, and currently doesn't have the games to prove it. But the PC wins by default. TLDRtTLDR: review scores are made up and paid for. Objectivity is an ideal, not something that anyone actually ever has the chance of possessing (if you think you are objective in the ideal sense of the word, you are not being objective and have already failed as you cannot leave the shackles of whatever nature/nurture/etc. has done to you). Technical facts are facts. Review scores are subjective numbers dolled up to look factual and give the impression of holding more weight and value than they actually do.

          • Scrotos
          • 6 years ago

          I’ve been looking at techy websites on the interwebs since it was only available via AOL dial-up (for reals!). I still mourn the loss of Ace Hardware. I’ve heard of The Verge but every time I find a random link to it, it’s nothing special. [i<]"The Verge was founded in 2011 in partnership with Vox Media, and covers the intersection of technology, science, art, and culture."[/i<] Awesome, I want art and culture in my benchmarks! I've never even heard of Polygon. I used to hang out with people from Polycount on IRC and check the forums from time to time, but Polycount has information on 3D modeling and digital asset creation whereas Polygon looks like a giant infographic for their website. I guess there's content there but it looks like a poster child for Windows 8 tablets. Utterly unappealing trying to wade through the interface to get to whatever content there may be (looks like just game reviews?) If you want to talk about objectivity, you need to check yourself first. Just because YOU read and frequent certain sites doesn't mean OTHER PEOPLE do. In fact, considering that Scott runs the site AND does in-depth review and research, how much time does that leave over to look for every 2-bit "review" website on the 'net in order to pass your so-called objectivity test? At least a few of the sites he frequents or knows about has some reviews that he skimmed. You seem to want Scott to not have any opinion and to not have a life. That's fine. If you can't understand the simple realities of life (lack of time, people are entitled to opinions in a random post that IS NOT AN OBJECTIVE REVIEW, not everyone frequents the same websites you do, not everyone shares the same opinion you have), then I think you probably ought to go to being spoon-fed whatever information you want from your other favorite sites. Maybe if Scott were writing a review here I'd be more on your side, but what the hell, man. It's a quick post with his (admittedly) barely-informed opinion. That's all. If you can't understand that and think it's a tacit product endorsement, you've got a problem with your medulla oblongata!

          • derFunkenstein
          • 6 years ago

          Well, this IS a tech blog. It’s always offered commentary along with the news.

          • GrimDanfango
          • 6 years ago

          So objectivity is lost the moment someone considers one competing product to be in any way superior to another?
          The majority of articles I’ve read have *objectively* come to the conclusion that the PS4 is more capable at a hardware level, and in most cases then subjectively come to the conclusion that the Xbone has a marginally stronger lineup of launch titles.

          Objectivity doesn’t require everyone to give everything identical scores. Considering something better than something else isn’t necessarily bias.

      • Yeats
      • 6 years ago

      It’s a little blurb where Scott essentially professes his lack of in-depth knowledge about either console. I don’t see a bias either way.

    • Forge
    • 6 years ago

    Consoles. Right. I’ve heard of those. Moving on.

    4K. Damnit. I want that. That’s a lot of Ks!

    My three portrait 1080p panels are a poor, poor approximation.

      • jihadjoe
      • 6 years ago

      You can always get one more and put them in a 2×2 grid.
      =)

    • Grape Flavor
    • 6 years ago

    I think everybody understands that the Xbox One is less powerful than the PS4 by now. Analysts will continue to beat that dead horse for a while but then the conversation will turn to what really determines success or failure in the console market: games. And the overall user experience.

    And in that category, I think this fall’s winner may surprise some people: Nintendo. While the Xbone and PS4 debut with forgettable launch titles that languish in the 70’s critically, Nintendo has not one, but two exclusives with Metascores solidly in the 90’s, and a raft of other promising titles coming early next year.

    I guess it’s silly to expect discussion on a PC hardware focused site to not heavily focus on horsepower, but I think PC enthusiasts assign too much weight to this aspect. Since the dawn of 3D gaming, it has not been graphics grunt that has made or broken game consoles. The PlayStation was weaker than the N64, and yet it won that generation. The PS2 was weaker than both the GameCube and Xbox, yet it blew them away in terms of sales. And need I remind anyone about the Wii?

    Am I saying that the Wii U is going to win this generation? Of course not. What I’m saying is that the PC enthusiast community’s preoccupation with resolutions and benchmarks is largely not shared by the mass market. A console’s value has never been decided by that factor alone, so why should it start now? So don’t be surprised if this rigid hierarchy of worthiness some PC gamers have based on performance, gets busted up out there in the real world like it always does.

      • Krogoth
      • 6 years ago

      Pretty much.

      Consoles live and die on gaming franchises and titles. Nintendo understood this for years and it allow them to weather out in their worse moments (Virtual Boy and N64). It is also the reason why PS3 was able to hold on, despite its lackluster start. Microsoft had to spend billions and years to get solid franchises on their belt.

      It seems that new management in Microsoft’s console division has forgotten about this and wants to pitch the Xbox One as another attempt to seize the “living room” as an all-in-one multimedia center that can play some console games as an afterthought.

      Sony learn from PS3 mishap and made sure that PS4’s primary goal is to make a gaming console that can do multimedia stuff if the user desires it, but isn’t the main focus.

      Nintendo’s biggest problem is that Wii U doesn’t offer anything significantly new over its predecessor and still lacks “killer apps” titles that take advantage of its setup. Wii U is bested described as Wii HD w/ consoles that are the “pre-2DS”.

      The race for this round is going to be close overall, but I’m willing to beat that PS4 will managed to come out on top by a small margin. Because, Sony has a larger amount of solid franchises under its belt.

      • yogibbear
      • 6 years ago

      Are non-in-house game exclusives a thing anymore? (Only big example that I can think of off the top of my head is Titanfall… which is a shame).

      I hypothesize that game publishers would rather limit the number of “deals” they do with regards to platform exclusives in a post-GFC game market for at least a couple more years due to investors fearing less than desirable returns (otherwise, 3rd party exclusives would be asking for significant bankroll from an MS/Sony rep to limit / timed release).

      Basically… because the platforms are merging as they approach PC/x86 parity (yeah I know there’s still the whole what I will simply refer to as APU & shared memory differences between consoles vs. standard PC setup) the technical reasons to not do an exclusive release are becoming moot. So it is now almost purely a financial one. i.e. cost to change the code for each platform is labor + some different game boxes to be purchased, but it isn’t (or shouldn’t be) heavy R&D / engine re-working & additional sales vs. whatever Sony/MS front up to pay for holding onto an exclusive.

      Basically the only in-house studio with games that interest me is Nintendo, and that’s why I have a 3DS.

    • Bensam123
    • 6 years ago

    They’re consoles with updated hardware, there isn’t really much worth ‘ooohing’ and ‘aaahing’ about. We already know all about the hardware and they aren’t going to improve in the next seven years so this is about as good as it’s going to get. If the Xbone is already showing it’s weak side it’s going to be painful for the Xbones lifetime.

    I really think the consoles will die out with this gen though. Steamachines will ease the transition, but we’ll all end up on PC or HTPCs and the day of consolization will finally end. Save the Wii… The Wii will turn into a retro monstrosity everyone has around and wont ever die out due to it’s IP and nostalgia value.

    • JumpingJack
    • 6 years ago

    Xbone … something about that just doesn’t sound right.

      • willmore
      • 6 years ago

      I thought that was the point?

        • GrimDanfango
        • 6 years ago

        [quote<]point[/quote<] hehehehe

          • Pwnstar
          • 6 years ago

          Hehehehe. He said “point”!

      • trackerben
      • 6 years ago
    • Diplomacy42
    • 6 years ago

    Did you really just write an article to explain that if I Google around, I can find another article? gosh, thanks.

    • torquer
    • 6 years ago

    I always like reading what you have to say, Scott, but I’m wondering what your point is here. You’re interested, but not really. You’re maintaining your focus on PC as the real gamer’s platform (I agree). You don’t have an opinion on which console is “better” but you list 3 reasons why PS4 is better than then some fairly condescending comments about the xbone.

    Personally I’m a PC gamer through and through. That being said I own a PS3, had a 360 (sold it about 2 years ago), have a Wii, pre-ordered the PS4, and pre-ordered the xbone. I don’t give a flying rat’s behind which one is “better” because thats about as pointless as arguing Nvidia v AMD.

    In my opinion, the PS4 will be better long term for pure gaming because it is more powerful. The xbox one, however, is much more forward thinking and I think its overall a more useful device.

    So, I’ll own both and make my console buddies jealous while talking about how much better BF4 looks and runs on my SLI’ed 780s at 1440p.

      • HisDivineOrder
      • 6 years ago

      It’s funny because I think the Xbone is actually less forward thinking.

      I think forward thinking would be taking the new technologies possible with the Xbox One and advancing them in some discernibly superior way to the competition.

      All it looks like to me is Microsoft copied Apple and Google’s take on voice command with everything they’ve had in Windows for a long time and none of the advancements of the modern age’s version. Like they thought Voice Command was it and didn’t recognize that a lot of that comes from back and forth, conversational, not just the actual commands. Then they tied that to an overly expensive peripheral because they were unwilling to let the feature work without the boom mic and advanced camera features because they desperately, desperately wanted Kinect to actually be used in games even though even at launch it’s not. Nor was it ever truly used by anything not dance or exercise related for the original version of Kinect.

      Nothing is “forward thinking” about the Xbox One to me. IR blasters but no HDMI-CEC control? HDMI in, but no real integration with cable boxes? Game DVR but no Twitch streaming? Putting up icons for games yet having to use the disc anyway?

      I just don’t think MS actually sat down and realized who their target audience really is. They want gamers who don’t care so much about games, who are willing to throw down $500, who want to do a lot of media watching, don’t mind paying a subscription fee for Live Gold on top of the subscription for Netflix/Hulu Plus/Amazon Prime, who’ll use Kinect in a meaningful way that makes it make sense despite the entire system costing $100 more for an experience destined (due to its 16 ROP’s) to be 720p for its entire lifetime, and be people who will value all this. They make Windows gamers their least likely gamers to sign up because PC gaming provides 90% of the hits they’ve got going forward and their famed integration with Windows actually is a hindrance to (instead of an impetus for) dipping into both ecosystems.

      Apple keeps people from seeing iPad and iPhone as competition by fully integrating apps in one as apps in all. Even Sony is moving toward doing this by moving PSN titles from PS3 and Vita to PS4. Microsoft seems deaf, dumb, and ignorant of this entirely, despite it being the biggest problem between Windows 8, RT, and Phone. Add Xbone to that list now.

      Everything about Xbox One is backward thinking. Like you take a list of what would have mattered to gamers 5-10 years ago and that’s what you’re getting now. I think if you separated the Media parts (Voice Command, HDMI in, DVR, streaming) and you put it into a separate Roku-like box for $100-150, you could see Microsoft dominate the living room. Toss in a connection from this theoretical box to a pure gaming device that they could have charged the same $399 for, suddenly you have options and choices. You have people choosing what they need and what they don’t.

      You’d lose Snap for poorly-running video apps to the side and instead have to use the basic PIP most HDTV’s have already. Hell, if we’re talking “forward thinking,” aren’t most people “going forward” going to have tablets to watch videos or view gameplay guides anyway? Why would you want to take up your precious TV real estate doing something you could do faster and better on a tablet in front of you that you already have anyway?

      It feels like Microsoft is doing a Nintendo here. Solving a “problem” that isn’t a real problem people actually have. That’s not really forward thinking even though it IS different thinking. It’s just different and it’s not particularly in tune with what people actually want, I think.

      There will be people who buy the Xbone. Many won’t buy it because it’s got these features, though. They’re ignoring these features and buying it for Halo or Titanfall or maybe because of their achievement score. This is another product of the same company that went on with Metro despite a year of people screaming that it wasn’t the best way to do what they were trying to do. This is a product from the company that ignored ANOTHER year of people screaming that Metro improved wasn’t going to be enough. Another from the company that thought people complaining about no start button meant adding just the button without the Start Menu. Another from the company that thought the All Programs screen is a viable replacement for the start menu. Another product from the company behind Windows Mobile 6.5, Kin, Phone 7, Phone 8, RT, and now the presumed RT for Phone. Each one obsoleting the last, orphaning device support in their wake.

      Forward thinking? No. It’s like Back to the Future 2. It’s the future as imagined in the 80’s. In this case, Microsoft is “forward thinking” from 2005.

        • Grape Flavor
        • 6 years ago

        cool story bro

        • Zizy
        • 6 years ago

        Well, they are forward thinking from their previous console, which is still better than Sony which is standing on spot or even going backwards with their console capabilities.
        Also, you might not share their vision, but they do seem to have one. Only tiny little issue – nothing of their vision works already.

      • Grape Flavor
      • 6 years ago

      Everyone knows how much TR commenters love to hate Microsoft these days, I think he’s just throwing them some red meat.

    • Kurotetsu
    • 6 years ago

    Question for anyone who has kept up with PS4 news in particular:

    I already know that the PS4 isn’t backwards compatible with PS3 games, but has Sony announced whether their PS3 library will be ported to the PS4 somehow? If I do decide to get a PS4 will I have to keep my PS3 alongside it to play my older gamees? Or is it possible to trade-in PS3 games for their PSN equivalents that run on PS4?

      • JohnC
      • 6 years ago

      Here are 2 links which will hopefully answer your questions:
      [url<]http://us.playstation.com/digitalupgrade/[/url<] [url<]http://www.destructoid.com/ps3-library-will-come-to-the-ps4-via-gaikai-in-2014-262149.phtml[/url<] The exact date of the launch of new Gaikai service is not yet known.

        • nanoflower
        • 6 years ago

        Which really means that you won’t be able to do it for more than a couple of games due to the monthly bandwidth limitation many ISPs have implemented. Heck I hear that Comcast is even bringing out overage charges in my area next month. Unfortunately there isn’t much choice in this area.

          • Puiucs
          • 6 years ago

          Luckily i don’t live in the US (EU Romania) and i have a 100Mb connection for just 10$ with no caps. (it also comes with a free 3G 7.2Mb USB modem). I’m thinking of moving to a 1Gb connection for about 20-25$ per month.

            • sschaem
            • 6 years ago

            $25, thats like what? like 6 month of salary over there ?

            • Scrotos
            • 6 years ago

            It’s a valid question.

            [url<]http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Romania[/url<] [url<]http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Romania&country2=United+States[/url<] Scroll down for internet. At the bottom is average monthly disposible income. Granted, not a huge sample size, but still.

            • sschaem
            • 6 years ago

            You got my point.

            So ok, Puiucs wont have to enter a life of slavery in a coal mine to pay for his $10 internet,
            but for us Yankees this translate to ~$100 a month for internet access. Yikes!

            Time to unpack my suitcase and get a refund on my plane ticket to Romania, this $10 internet dream has been shattered πŸ™‚

            • indeego
            • 6 years ago

            I would pay $100-200/month for home internet at applicable speeds (I already pay much more for fiber at work, but that is guaranteed bandwidth, no overages, and a SLA and other features.)

            It’s my work. It’s an investment. Money spent towards tools/services that make you more money is almost always worth it.

    • lethal
    • 6 years ago

    Maybe screens from BF4 would be more appropiate? The textures on those screenshots make me doubt that we really have progressed from 2001’s Max constipated Payne :p.

      • Billstevens
      • 6 years ago

      This engine looks like the first improvement for COD in a long while… I think the COD games need to stop using their own engines as they are just wasting time not licensing a better one.

      • squeeb
      • 6 years ago

      Yea seriously.

      • internetsandman
      • 6 years ago

      I was looking through the screenshots and I really couldn’t tell the difference from the past 2 COD games. Either the shots chosen are the least representative of graphical improvement or this really does look just the same as the previous generation

    • ALiLPinkMonster
    • 6 years ago

    Kotaku’s review pretty much told me that it’s a big mess of potentially great ideas. I do like how they tried to make it a media hub, but they implemented the idea quite poorly. Some fairly inhibiting things can’t be fixed with a software update, which makes it that much worse. Besides the problem with potentially inferior hardware, this seems like yet another product that was rushed into retail unfinished and under-tested. It’s a shame that these companies obsess so much over deadlines.

    Oh well, I’m sure Xbox users will just file a class action lawsuit to force MS to do a recall and fix the issues that keep their product from working nearly as well as it should…

      • mcnabney
      • 6 years ago

      Win7 is a media hub. And they killed many of its functions because X-Box.

    • Voldenuit
    • 6 years ago

    Scott, your considerations assume that the potential buyers know or care about the specs. Even if a significant proportion of console buyers do (and I doubt that), there are other considerations in play when deciding on which console to buy:

    * Do the buyer’s gaming friends have an Xbone or a PS4?
    * Are their multiplayer gaming friends already on XBL or PSN?
    * Are they already invested in one ecosystem? Do they have a XBL Gold membership or PS+? Do they already have a PS Vita?
    * Are the exclusives they’re more interested in on XBone or PS4?
    * Are they interested in Kinect, voice control, Playstation Eye, dualshock 4, ancillary services (Amazon, Netflix, HBOGo, Google Play etc etc).
    (and lastly, if at all)
    * Is one system significantly faster and/or better looking than the other?

    To me, the PS4 is the clear “winner” on hardware, even though a PC gamer would look at the specs and say, “aww, that’s cute, it’s almost as powerful as a Celeron~”. As far as software library, none of the launch titles for either side interest me, but I am quietly hoping for Gran Turismo 6 and The Last Guardian (and a The Last of Us HD port or sequel). Plus, I have a Vita and am getting great deals on games thru PS+ every month, so that pretty much puts me in the sony camp.

    But there’s no way I’m buying one until they fix the mp3, streaming, DLNA, BLOD (Blue Light of Death) and high standby power of the mk I PS4.

    And if someone wants to buy an XBone instead because they’re more interested in Dead Rising, Titanfall (looks like it’ll be FUN) or Forza, then that is also the “right” system for them.

      • mcnabney
      • 6 years ago

      PS4 is about 50% faster. That means it will get to play games at 1080p longer than Xbone – which is already backsliding to 720p and beyond. Maybe in three years they will go all the way back to standard definition or DVD quality (480p)?

        • Voldenuit
        • 6 years ago

        [quote<]PS4 is about 50% faster.[/quote<] No arguing that (although it's amusing to watch fanbois try). It's disappointing that consoles this generation are aiming so low specs-wise, but I think they're more like appliances for content. If one is interested in performance, PC Master Race is the answer. But for exclusives, consoles are the only choice. So while it may matter in the long run that the PS4 is faster, it won't sway a buyer if the games they want are on the other system. And if their friends are all on the other system, they won't switch since the walled garden online components don't support cross-system play. In that sense, the ability to deliver the games and services their customers want are the real metric for a console system, not its tech specs. I haven't owned a console since the PS2. Recently got a Vita as a present, loving it, but am not rushing out to get any dedicated console this gen. Maybe if The Last Guardian ever makes it out the door, I'd reconsider.

      • Damage
      • 6 years ago

      I hear what you’re saying about hardware specs, but I’m surprised by the PS4 controller being so obviously superior.

      To me, that’s a key opportunity for improvement in a new console generation, especially since (as a PC gamer with a mouse/KB obsession) there’s so much room for improvement in console control schemes. The Wii controller feels “alive” and was a huge part of that console’s success. Sony stole a lot of the good stuff and added some more. Having a speaker in the controller, having it be motion-sensitive in a precise way (with the camera), and having a real pointing mechanism, along with the upgrade to dual local vibration just feels like true progress. I can see the touchpad enabling RTS and RPG interfaces with substantially more depth. And there’s this:

      [url<]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hUUsqhetX4[/url<] The Xbone controller isn't much different from the last gen, save for the updated D-pad and dual vibration. The standard Kinect camera doesn't overcome that for me. Just seems like MS shouldn't be asking more for its box, given everything.

        • DreadCthulhu
        • 6 years ago

        The funny thing about the Xbone controller is that Microsoft spent about [i<]$100 million[/i<] on R&D for it, only to end up only minorly tweeking the old design.

          • dashbarron
          • 6 years ago

          I wasn’t able to locate the original article, about the development blogs about creating the Windows Vista chime were fascinating. Microsoft poured 3 years and somewhere around $100 million just to create that 5 seconds chime. It is both impressive and disgusting all at once.

        • sweatshopking
        • 6 years ago

        I’m surprised you say its so obviously better. Many review sites say the Xbox one is better. Feels better, controls better. It doesn’t have a touchpad, but otherwise, many people prefer it.

    • indeego
    • 6 years ago

    Awesome Octagonal Barbed wire in that second shot!

      • ClickClick5
      • 6 years ago

      Same screen, the truck on the left. I have seen better textures on the PS2.

      • Meadows
      • 6 years ago

      Shhh, don’t diss [i<][b<]true next-gen graphics[/b<][/i<].

    • indeego
    • 6 years ago

    Which one spies on you more? Which one has more included malware? Which one wants so badly to be in my living room? I must know.

    • Prestige Worldwide
    • 6 years ago

    *Looks at it once, turns 360 degrees, and moonwalks away*

      • BoilerGamer
      • 6 years ago

      “*Looks at it once, turns 360 degrees, and moonwalks away*”

      You are not walking away that way, in fact with a 360 degree turn you will moonwalk right into the price tag πŸ˜€

        • jensend
        • 6 years ago

        Unless I’m missing whatever the joke is supposed to be, you apparently have no idea what the moonwalk is.

          • BoilerGamer
          • 6 years ago

          There are two definition of moonwalk when you google the word as a verb, I used the first:
          “walk on the surface of the moon..” which doesn’t give a direction, plus I am assuming he is looking at that price tab in the Microsoft Store located at 1770 Apollo 11 Ave, Mare Tranquillitatis, Moon, 99999.

            • ULYXX
            • 6 years ago

            [url<]http://www.kotaku.jp/photo/090911xbox2.png[/url<]

            • Star Brood
            • 6 years ago

            All of today’s tech companies will be out of business by 99999.

            • Diplomacy42
            • 6 years ago

            Not true, they will merely have been amalgamated into a single general (possibly government controlled) company.

      • Wirko
      • 6 years ago

      MJ belonged to Sony, what else could he do? β™«

        • Voldenuit
        • 6 years ago

        Hehe. Saw a game card for The Michael Jackson Experience for vita on the shelf.

        “On PS Vita, YOU touch Michael Jackson!”

        What, too soon?

    • ish718
    • 6 years ago

    One thing these consoles are good for is showing us what an HD 7850 is capable of without Directx overhead and draw call limitations.

      • swaaye
      • 6 years ago

      Among other things like not needing PCIe and its caveats, and having specialized ESRAM to work with. It must be vastly more efficient use of the hardware.

      • slowriot
      • 6 years ago

      Huh? Right now it seems quite the opposite. Look at the HD7850 performance in BF4 in TR’s Radeon R9 270 review: [url<]https://techreport.com/review/25642/amd-radeon-r9-270-graphics-card-reviewed/3[/url<] The HD7850 is totally playable at 1080P and nearly maxed out settings in BF4 (minus Deferred AA). That's a significant quality improvement over either Xbone or PS4. I think over time games available on the console's will surpass BF4 maxed out quality, but none of the current release games show this.

        • ish718
        • 6 years ago

        But you have to keep in mind that the CPU in that system is significantly more powerful than the CPU in the consoles.

          • Billstevens
          • 6 years ago

          So the CPU is bottle necking the GPU :(. That is a pretty sad state of affairs. But in fairness a quick port to an 8 core system is not going to perform at its best… But really CPUs haven’t bottle necked game performance for probably 3 generations now 4 of core i processors and even AMD FX x86 processors.

            • willmore
            • 6 years ago

            I think it just goes to show that the game developers have to relearn how to balance CPU and GPU loads vs how they did so for the previous console generation.

            The PC has always been a poor demonstration of CPU/GPU limits as a PC gamer–when finding themselves limited by CPU or GPU in a game they care about–can and likely will buy a new CPU/GPU and get rid of the problem. The console doesn’t have that flexability.

    • gmskking
    • 6 years ago

    After being forced to pay $100 to repair the red ring of death, it is hard for me to buy another Xbox product. If I get either, it will be the PS4 for sure.

      • blitzy
      • 6 years ago

      easily 30%+ failure rates, inflated costs for peripherals, jewing out on included HDD space etc etc.

      It really is incredible what consumers will put up with, I had a 360 too… it was a pretty good console over all, but those greedy tactics and lack of taking responsibility for their faulty hardware did leave a bad taste in my mouth too. I don’t understand how they got away without having to do a product recall, any other product with that high of a failure rate would have had much bigger consequences for the company. Bravo MS marketing dept.

        • derFunkenstein
        • 6 years ago

        Not to mention a controller that runs on AA BATTERIES for crying out loud.

          • Horshu
          • 6 years ago

          Are you aware that, just like XB360, the controller also supports rechargeable battery packs? They just come with AA’s because they’re cheaper and lead to upsales of the play & charge kit.

        • The Dark One
        • 6 years ago

        [quote<]jewing out on included HDD space etc etc.[/quote<] No. Just... no.

        • ermo
        • 6 years ago

        [quote<]"(...), jewing out on included HDD space (...)"[/quote<] 'jewing out'? You don't want to go there, dude.

          • Diplomacy42
          • 6 years ago

          feeling ‘gypt?

            • Pwnstar
            • 6 years ago

            He got Jewed.

            • Diplomacy42
            • 6 years ago

            note to self, Anti-Semitic remarks good,
            Anti Judeo-Christian sentiments bad

            Note to grammar police, look up the word semite before you correct my use of the term anti-semite.

        • tipoo
        • 6 years ago

        [quote<]jewing out on included HDD [/quote<] Did that just happen? [url<]http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/racist1.gif[/url<]

          • blitzy
          • 6 years ago

          stereotypes exist for a reason, I suppose it’s racist to say that germans are boring and robotic too? does it make south park racist for all the antagonism cartman gives kyle about being a stingy jew? it’s just tongue in cheek

      • sweatshopking
      • 6 years ago

      you see that ifixit says they expect the xbone to be more reliable than the ps4, and that some of the ps4’s are having red light (overheating) issues?

        • HisDivineOrder
        • 6 years ago

        Anecdotal talk of high failure rate is anecdotal. Give it six months.

        Not really related to the other part, though. Strictly speaking, from what I’ve read the Xbox One has a lower noise profile than PS4 and lower operating wattage, but it also gets hotter after prolonged use. A not small amount hotter.

        It’ll be interesting to see if Microsoft winds up changing the firmware after the initial launch reviews to increase the frequency of the fans after people are done saying the Xbone is quieter. I suspect they’ll see temperatures they’re uncomfortable with.

          • sweatshopking
          • 6 years ago

          I’ve read the opposite about the heat on the xbone, and ifixit says the fan is much more capable, and its quite a bit larger.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 6 years ago

            Ars shows the Xbone as venting hotter air, if nothing else. I don’t know if the temps in general are higher or not, though.

        • nanoflower
        • 6 years ago

        Yes, I read that. Considering the design of the two with the PSU included in the PS4 case but not in the Xbox One case and then looking at the size of the fan they used on the XB1 I would be surprised if they had the same sort of Xbox 360 heat issues on the XB1. I don’t know if the PS4 will have heat issues down the road (especially in hot climates within homes without air conditioning) but it sure seems like it might. Only time will tell. That’s one good reason to hold off purchasing either console so any problems that show up can be fixed.

        • tipoo
        • 6 years ago

        Failure rate of 0.4%. Don’t believe a few anecdotes reflect on the whole console.

        • ssidbroadcast
        • 6 years ago

        Total misinformation. The issue with a FEW ps4’s is not overheating related at all. It has to do with the HDMI out. This problem is an instant DOA problem and not the more insidious, slow-death problem of RROD.

      • oldog
      • 6 years ago

      You know, using anecdotal data to make decisions is a very poor practice. Good large scale data matters. It is one of the reasons I regularly read The Tech Report.

      • Shambles
      • 6 years ago

      Well considering it cost me $180 to repair my launch PS3 I don’t think Sony is that much of a better choice. I’ll just stick to my PC where things are cheap and easy to replace as well as generally lasting longer.

      • travbrad
      • 6 years ago

      I had similar problems with my PS2. I had to open it up and adjust the lasers at least once a month or it wasn’t even able to start the game, and eventually it just died completely. I didn’t own a console last generation but almost everyone I knew with a 360 had RROD problems. One of my friends had THREE Xbox360s after the first 2 both had RROD.

      I wouldn’t trust either company to build reliable consoles at this point. Only time will tell. Meanwhile my original NES from around 1987 still works to this day.

      • jihadjoe
      • 6 years ago

      Blue light of death says hi!

    • blitzy
    • 6 years ago

    I was surprised how big the xbone was seeing it in person, I was expecting big because I had seen the preview pics etc but it is really quite a big piece of kit. I suppose it’s that way so they can keep it cooled as quietly as possible, but it does seem rather big and ugly.

    not sure if I like the bumpers on the new control pad either, they felt harder to reach but I havent had much time to compare them as yet.

      • Growler
      • 6 years ago

      It means that XBOX HUEG is still relevant.

      The teardowns also indicate that they used a number of off the shelf parts. They could have included a lot of custom parts to make it smaller, but that adds to the cost.

    • GrimDanfango
    • 6 years ago

    Call me shallow, but seeing both consoles side-by-side over on Anand, the first thing that occured to me was… [b<]man[/b<], the Xbone is [i<]fat[/i<]! I know, I know... it's what's [i<]inside[/i<] that counts. ...and to that end, I'm sticking with my PC for now.

      • Pwnstar
      • 6 years ago

      SHALLOW!

    • Xenolith
    • 6 years ago

    When does the X1 slim come out?

      • alienstorexxx
      • 6 years ago

      LOL

      • gmskking
      • 6 years ago

      Wake me up when it is $300 or less.

        • ALiLPinkMonster
        • 6 years ago

        [quote=”gmskking”<]Wake me up when it is $300 less.[/quote<] FTFY

      • Shambles
      • 6 years ago

      Considering it’s more comparable to a A/V receiver than to a Blu-ray play I think you’re going to be waiting for 2 revisions before Microsoft releases something that can be called slim without being laughed out of the room.

      • Diplomacy42
      • 6 years ago

      This is the X1 Slim, you should have seen this thing before they pulled the PSU and camera out of the device to save room!

      • sschaem
      • 6 years ago

      Already done? Hack Install the Xbox one OS on a PS4 …

      As crazy as it sound, MS could probably do it in a couple of days.

        • yogibbear
        • 6 years ago

        Yeah but then they wouldn’t make money on their proprietary hard drives, head set, head set adaptor plug, AA batteries, charging cable, HDMI cable, etc. etc. etc.

        MS are the Apple of the console world.

          • Diplomacy42
          • 6 years ago

          but they would make $100 per unit just on the vig.

        • Diplomacy42
        • 6 years ago

        if MSFT can do it, we can do it!

        399, homebrew hack, bootloader and dual boot. throw some linux in there for good measure.

    • Igor_Kavinski
    • 6 years ago

    Futuremark, are you listening? You guys can easily put this XB1 vs. PS4 debate to rest by running one of your extremely graphics intensive demos on both consoles. Instead of announcing the results outright, put a countdown on your website. And then prepare for the worst nightmare ever when it reaches zero πŸ˜€

    • Esoth
    • 6 years ago

    Fact is, there is more to a console than games these days. Smart Glass is bringing other-than-games content to PC’s throughout a lot of homes, and even the gamers themselves are being drawn in to using their Xboxes in ways other than games, such as Netflix, etc. Not every gamer buys their consoles on their own. Xbox One may present a better overall value or utility to a family, however much a gamer may scoff at such considerations. I am not a gamer, and I am more interested in Xbox One for that reason, and really don’t care much if its 1080 or upscaled 720. Some of these distinctions are not on a human scale, however precisely quantifiable. Even in the hi-res images with this article, the amazing level of detail at some point begins to more precisely illustrate the essential artificiality of the images. For example, the rebars sticking out of concrete seem to be floating, more so when you select the full resolution version of the images.

    • Billstevens
    • 6 years ago

    Welcome to the world of computers… Now you see the difference between running a game like Call of Duty or Battle Field with all the special effects on versus turning them off. Which appears to be the main difference between 360 vs Xbone and PS3 vs PS4. At least in dual release titles. I mean you can definitely tell the new systems crank up the settings but sometimes the difference isn’t as dramatic as some might hope because a well optimized game engine runs on a slew of low end and high end hardware and will maintain the same basic models.

    I think most people were hoping to see a paradigm shift in quality. You will only see this on the next gen consoles once they start running game engines that cant run on the previous generation.

    • ssidbroadcast
    • 6 years ago

    I think the most informative comparisons come from [url=http://www.anandtech.com/show/7528/the-xbox-one-mini-review-hardware-analysis/2<]Anandtech[/url<]. From the article: β€’ The Xbox One has a larger die area. 363mm^2 versus 348mm^2 on the PS4. β€’ This larger die size is a result of the eSRAM configuration in the SoC. β€’ The system memory bandwidth is 68.3Gb/s on the Xbone, but at the eSRAM level it can reach a theoretical 102GB/s both-ways. The PS4 has 176GB/s sytem memory bandwidth. β€’ The XBone has a faster CPU and GPU clock, 1.75Ghz/853Mhz to 1.6Ghz/800Mhz, respectively. β€’ However still, the Xbone has less Shader throughput at 1.31TFLOPS versus 1.848TFLOPS β€’ Additionally, the XBone has [i<]half[/i<] the ROPs, 16 versus 32. It's speculated that this explains the 11th hour bump to the CPU/GPU clocks, as the ROP is tied to the GPU clock speed. Nonetheless, the ROPs are most important in regards to rendering higher resolution frames, hence why the XBone seems more comfortable with 720p while the PS4 can manage at higher resolutions. Really neato conclusions.

      • Narishma
      • 6 years ago

      The PS4 CPU clock speed is speculation on their part though. Sony hasn’t confirmed it.

    • Plazmodeus
    • 6 years ago

    50% more powerful? Scott I’m surprised that you, of all people, would say that, being aware just how much a 50% disparity in power is. Clearly that is not the case! More like 10-15% more powerful. The most interesting thing I have been hearing is that while the PS4 version is running x-platform games at a higher resolution (BF4 Ps4-900p Xone-720p), the Xone version is running at a much faster frame rate (Ps4 25-40fps, Xone 50-60+fps). I have heard personal anecdotes to this effect.

    I work in games and though I am not on the tech side, all the tech people I know have been pretty unanimous in their opinions that they are really almost the same.

      • nico1982
      • 6 years ago

      Yep, almost 1.5 times more pixel πŸ˜›

    • DPete27
    • 6 years ago

    Those CoD screenshots look horrible. Lighting is fine, but look at the foliage….so 2D. You don’t notice as much when you’re running through a game, but screenshots definitely show that we still have a LONG way to go on the realistic detail side of things.

      • yogibbear
      • 6 years ago

      CoD is a terrible benchmark. Show me some Metro Last Light screenies. Man, even the 720p d3d9.dll hacked 1080p Dark Souls PORT OF NIGHTMATRE Skulls in New Londo had more pixels to them and were less bastardized in the rush of compacting them for fitting on a disc.

      • praxis
      • 6 years ago

      I was confused by why he posted CoD: Ghosts screenshots at 4K. Might as well post screenshots of the original Doom at 4K.

      “we still have a LONG way to go on the realistic detail side of things.”

      You mean CoD has a long way to go. BF4 on the other hand…

    • David
    • 6 years ago

    Launch games always look similar to the previous generation. And when they hit their stride, both systems will look so similar it won’t matter which is technically more powerful.

    There are exactly two reasons to get one system over the other. One is exclusives and the other is your friends list. I got a Xbox One for both reasons, and my wife got a PS4 for the exclusives.

      • ColeLT1
      • 6 years ago

      Exactly, look at Oblivion vs Skyrim on the 360:
      [url<]http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/gallery/elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-comparison/elder-scrolls-skyrim-1.jpg[/url<]

      • Diplomacy42
      • 6 years ago

      Arguing that you shouldn’t abandon your abusive boyfriend because you like some of his freinds? The garbage MSFT pulled this gen is reason enough to dump it’s sorry behind.

      -Charging more money for less hardware, a package that barely delivers at 1080p.
      -Trying to end all 3rd party game sales including borrowing/lending
      -Mandating biometric locked MSFT accounts registered with the home base
      -Mandating an always on camera
      -A self destruct switch where if for any reason you ditch live/internet your console would stop working…

      I mean come on. This kind of stuff is beyond any rational defense. Microsoft’s little half apology where it lashed out at their fans didn’t help either.

    • FuturePastNow
    • 6 years ago

    They both look almost exactly the same to me in terms of hardware. I’m personally boycotting Sony, and have no particular desire to buy an XBox, but from the reviews, I’d say the voice control Microsoft is working into is… a start.

      • WaltC
      • 6 years ago

      Honestly, I believe the voice command/arm-waving semaphore capability of the xBone will be short-lived and those praising it now will quickly tire of it and move to a simpler, much faster, far quieter, and less strenuous *remote control*–the novelty of voice and semaphore might last a month, but I doubt it…;) Looks and sounds really cool except if it’s your living room and you routinely fill it with more than one person (yourself)–at that point the novelty quickly becomes drudgery, and you turn off the voice/listen, and the semaphore becomes useless with 2-4 pairs of arms waving at the same time. (Can people really not look ahead at the major limitations here and the impracticality of these “features”?)

      Smart money buys a PC, though (unless you’re smart enough to already own one.) If you own a middle-of-the-road PC, move on, nothing at all to see here…

        • FuturePastNow
        • 6 years ago

        I said it’s a start.

        The dream is Star Trek – like natural language interaction, right? This will put the hardware, at least, in a lot of living rooms. And get more people thinking about it. And maybe, just maybe, they’ll work on improving it.

        The arm-waving stuff is just silly.

          • Billstevens
          • 6 years ago

          Like it or not in its current state voice commands are here to stay. We have them in phones and cars and now with the XBone and some TV’s they are coming to your living room. At work we have demos for remote controls that will use voice commands for searches.

          However, like most people I think, this kind of interaction is mostly a novelty at this point as the accuracy is poor enough to make it feel more like a beta test than a real product feature. Its cool that the Xbox comes out of the box with tech demos but we have some major hurdles to get over before verbal communication is the go to method for control.

          The hand wavy crap… yeah that I would expect to see fade into obscurity. Its just a hassle. Unless you have an Iron Man style hologram in front of you its more or less just a good way to wear your arms out. Give me eye tracking and voice commands to do image tilt and zoom. Lets all try and get over minority report. Even in that he was using more of a hologram than a 2D screen.

          • DreadCthulhu
          • 6 years ago

          Just because something seems cool in Science Fiction doesn’t mean that it is a good idea. For example, lots Scifi predicted mobile phones, and video phones, and now there are hundreds of millions of people world wide with mobile phones that can do video chat, but nobody predicted that even voice calls would fall out of favor of sending small text messages to each other.

          Voice control gets used a lot on televised SciFi because it makes it easy for the audience to follow along; watching people tap away at keyboards & use mice/more specialized controllers would bore most people, even if that sort of UI makes more sense for the people actually using it.

        • HisDivineOrder
        • 6 years ago

        Don’t kid yourself. Voice Command is the future.

        The thing is, it’s not a replacement for direct controls. It’s an additional control that will be useful to some degree, but not as an either/or. More controls are always fine. Trying to replace a keyboard, mouse, or even touchscreen with JUST voice and waving your arms around? Not so much going to happen, especially in the near term.

        The problem with Kinect and Microsoft’s entire take on Voice Command is that it’s like commanding a mute servant. Do this, do that, do this, do that, do this, do that. It’s not conversational, it’s not responsive, it’s not giving you the feedback that most people are accustomed to when talking at something, and so it feels alien and foreign and not all …good.

        Google’s on the right track with Google Now and Apple’s not far behind with Siri. You need systems that actually feel like they’re responsive. Give it ten years of steady development and usage by increasing numbers of people. As databases get updated and usage continues apace, Google and Apple should have incredible amounts of data on usage patterns and conversations that enables computers that actually talk more, hear more, and understand more of what you’re actually saying.

        Far from the enemy of direct control schemes, Voice Command (which really will transform into Conversational Input) will become a superior mode of control for a subset of actions. Is it quicker to scroll over and click mute? To look down and hit Mute? Or just say, “Mute.” ? That’s just one thing that’s easier if your system was responsive to you. What if you’re not sure what you’re searching for? What if you’re busy cooking a meal and you want to know what the next step in the recipe is? is it easier to drop everything, meander on over to your PC/tablet and scroll down with your flour-covered hands or just ask, “Okay, Google. What’s next?”

        There IS a future for Voice Command a la Conversational systems. Kinect is so barebones as to be a joke compared to even what Google and Apple are currently doing, which makes it hard to imagine Kinect will ever get to the level where Apple and Google are RIGHT NOW.

        I think 3d bodyscan like Kinect has a future, too, but I don’t think it has one as long as it’s so prohibitively expensive and I think them pushing it so hard is their desperate attempt to fight the current of cost/advantage ratio. So I think Microsoft is pushing one feature (Kinect gesture support) at the expense of another (Voice Command) when in the near term the latter is the far more relevant and important feature that requires less initial investment…

        This is Microsoft blind to the future, believing just “thinking different” is going to mean more than “thinking different about where the future should go.” It’s clear the future is going to Voice Command and a conversational system with computers that enables the most basic in human communication, back and forth talking.

        Hell, I’d say Conversational could be MORE compelling than Minority Report-like gesture support anyway. After all, which would you rather have? Minority Report gestures? Or Jarvis?

        Personally, I’d take both, but one of these two is far closer to being economically viable. Then you have Microsoft out on left field, staring at their shoes and ignoring the most vital part of what makes Voice Command actually compelling. That’s why it’s easy to ignore the value of Voice Command. Because the only experience you’ve had with it is mostly with MS’s mute version.

    • deathBOB
    • 6 years ago

    “More than one reviewer has remarked on how games don’t look that much different or better on the Xbone than on the 360, which is both scandalous and also somewhat predictable to the grizzled veteran of contemporary PC gaming. Some portion of the explanation involves the co-development of these first games for multiple console generations, and the rest can be attributed to the fact that many nerds have poor vision. You decide what proportion goes where.

    As for me, I’m going to get back to testing BF4, CoD: Ghosts, AC4: Black Flag, and Arkham Origins on the GTX 780 Ti and R9 290X at 4K. In that task, there is no ambiguity. The generational change is imparting repeated, blunt-force trauma to my rods and cones.”

    I’m sensing an inferiority complex here.

      • Vaughn
      • 6 years ago

      i’m sensing a dumbass!

      And yes i’m referring to you Deathbob.

    • JohnC
    • 6 years ago

    These reviews at Ars, Kotaku, etc…
    Always hilarious to see how so many simple-minded people (not trying to point at anyone, just a general observation) prefer to blindly trust the highly subjective opinions of “reviewers” instead of forming their own rational conclusion based on first-hand experience πŸ˜‰

      • Scrotos
      • 6 years ago

      As opposed to buying both consoles plus a variety of AAA games, putting in several hours to see how the system works and plays, and then returning the one you don’t like based on your first-hand experience?

      Seems expensive and time-consuming plus some places don’t take games back, I thought. I mean, you got a PS4, I guess for a proper comparison you just need an xbone to see if you made the proper console choice?

        • Ari Atari
        • 6 years ago

        There are ways to see each console without buying them: let a friend be the test subject, go to Best Buy or Game Stop where they surely have a demo, then if all else fails there’s always youtube for at least some information.

        • JohnC
        • 6 years ago

        Yea. That’s why I also ordered XBone, which will arrive tomorrow. If your financial situation does not allow to make such purchases (which is perfectly understandable) – there’s always a way to test out both systems for free, be it either at friend’s location or at some gaming store. Any choice would be better than trying to judge the proverbial “book” by its “cover” alone and trying to throw meaningless numbers or links to overcompressed images/videos at each other πŸ˜‰

          • bittermann
          • 6 years ago

          “Yea. That’s why I also ordered XBone, which will arrive tomorrow.”

          Yup, no bias there at all…

      • Jonsey
      • 6 years ago

      Isn’t this why you got a R9 290 to compare to the 780 you already had? If you think reviews are only for the plebeians why are you on a review site?

        • JohnC
        • 6 years ago

        To amuse myself by reading the replies and forum posts made by extremely narrow-minded people, of course. Why else?

          • Bensam123
          • 6 years ago

          Figures…

          • Jonsey
          • 6 years ago

          Glad we can help enforce your towering sense of superiority.

          • Yeats
          • 6 years ago

          Why not just type a letter to yourself, then?

            • Bensam123
            • 6 years ago

            Because then he can’t point out what losers we are for believing anything other then what he says.

      • HisDivineOrder
      • 6 years ago

      Hmmmm.

      Drop $400 and $500 on two consoles to have “first hand experience.” Or use that money for more PC hardware…

      I think reading free reviews is a better use of money.

      • nanoflower
      • 6 years ago

      I can only go on the word of various reviewers (though I give more weight to people that I know and trust) since I’m not buying either console. Never been into them though I do find it interesting following both especially when they are using the same sort of APU we will be getting from AMD.

      • Bensam123
      • 6 years ago

      Sometimes your own ‘rational conclusion’ is entirely subjective and may not be objective at all. It’s entirely possible you may not have the means to test things in depth either (like FCAT).

    • Igor_Kavinski
    • 6 years ago

    I would like to request the “powers that be” at TR to refer to the Xbox One as XB1. It’s shorter and doesn’t look inappropriate.

      • jstern
      • 6 years ago

      I agree. I try to write it that way.

      • PrincipalSkinner
      • 6 years ago

      You are one boring creature and are at the wrong website.

      • GrimDanfango
      • 6 years ago

      I would like to request the people that read TR don’t take it to heart when journalists make fun of a big corporation who pour countless millions into marketting, yet still manage to leave themselves open to such an obvious joke.

      It’s not going to hurt their feelings, it just might worry a few money-men somewhere who are concerned about brand image. If it upsets fans, then they’re rather taking the whole thing too seriously.

      • Meadows
      • 6 years ago

      I suggested that once and got minused just like you.

      • atryus28
      • 6 years ago

      I don’t totally disagree with you, although I am getting old and lazy. I think I will just call it “a Nintendo” or maybe Atari. Sort of like Saying Band-aid, Kleenex or hey get off my lawn!

      • trackerben
      • 6 years ago

      What’s the fuss, it’s all the same trope. xBone, xB-1, xLancer (although no one calls it that)

      Reduce to silly terms:
      xBone=xB1
      Bone=B1
      [url<]http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/The_Bone_is_Back.html[/url<]

      • danny e.
      • 6 years ago

      Capitalizing as: XbOne would at least look less like a 12 year olds attempt at humor.

        • GrimDanfango
        • 6 years ago

        Nob gags are funny. It’s a basic fact of life. To scoff at those who enjoy such jokes is to deny your own humanity.

      • Chrispy_
      • 6 years ago

      Go XBone yourself πŸ˜›

      • travbrad
      • 6 years ago

      I didn’t expect Steve Ballmer to be reading TR.

      • Diplomacy42
      • 6 years ago

      Complain to MSFT for naming it XBone. They obviously want it written that way, as that is the only logical reason to name your 3rd console generation the “One”.

      • bacondreamer
      • 6 years ago

      Gamestop referred the X Box One as xbone internally, don’t know if they still do or not. Some of the employees started to call it xboned after E3 this past year.

    • poohbah10
    • 6 years ago

    I’m not a console user personally (I do have a Wii that the kids use occasionally), so maybe I’m not the best to judge. But I plan to any way.

    I think if you are looking at straight-up gameplay, using current gaming mechanics, then the PS4 seems to be a winner. To my mind, though, the Xbox ONE has some major growth potential. The inclusion of the Kinect functionality enables some big bonuses for the living room (Skype) in the short term. In addition, I think the possibility of combining the Kinect functionality (which I don’t think is really being tapped with the launch titles) combined with the VR visual technologies that are beginning to emerge could be a truly potent combination.

    Add to that the entertainment center pieces, and I think the the XBox delivers more to the user, at what is over the life expectancy of the console is a small cost differential, and you have what I consider a winner.

    For pure gaming, neither the Xbox ONE of the Playstation 4 can touch modern PCs for visual fidelity or fine control but as a unifying experience I think the Xbox has clear advantages.

    • sweatshopking
    • 6 years ago

    I read a round up that had the scores from 15 different reviewers and the xbone was slightly ahead, even given the price. Both seem to be unfinished, and needing work, but the general consensus seems to be that the xbone will be more futuristic and useful in 3 years.

    id never buy either.
    even Ars says the xbone is better: “But if you held a gun to my head and said I had to pick a system today, I’d probably point toward the Xbox Oneβ€”primarily for its game lineup and partly for its interface and the still-in-their-infancy media features. “

    • albundy
    • 6 years ago

    And that’s why Lady McCormick went to the ps4 side. If Ballmer wasnt such a big douche about the console wars, maybe Gates wouldnt of stabbed him in the chest. There are no other pressing matters!

      • Scrotos
      • 6 years ago

      I don’t know what you’re talking about but you make it sound like an interesting Shakespearian play!

      FROM HELL’S HEART I STAB AT THEE, GATES!

        • albundy
        • 6 years ago

        oh come on, does ANYBODY watch southpark????!!!!! Lady McCormick iz da man!

        [url<]http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s17e08-a-song-of-ass-and-fire[/url<]

          • Scrotos
          • 6 years ago

          Oh hell, I live like 30 miles from South Park, CO but I still don’t really watch the show. I like it when I randomly catch it, like the Simpsons, but I couldn’t tell you any reference in the last 8 years.

            • travbrad
            • 6 years ago

            It hasn’t been as good in recent years, but the console wars/black friday episodes are pretty funny and worth watching πŸ™‚

            • Diplomacy42
            • 6 years ago

            Step one Invest heavilly in unnecessary camera technology that can monitor the perspiration on your skin, heart beat and eyeline but still can’t properly map large hand gestures.
            Step two ???
            Step three Profit.

            • willmore
            • 6 years ago

            Sell collected data to NSA, they’ll pay billions!

            • Milo Burke
            • 6 years ago

            No, they take freely without paying.

    • Deanjo
    • 6 years ago

    Aesthetically, the XBoX does look better then the PS4 IMHO (still not as sexy as the Steambox however). That always kind of surprises me given that Sony has a heavy presence in home a/v and decide to create a console that doesn’t quite fit in with other AV equipment.

    • tipoo
    • 6 years ago

    [quote<]The PS4 has very similar hardware that's maybe 50% more powerful.[/quote<] 50% more shaders. But I think it may be more important that it has double the ROPs of the One. That's what Anandtech thinks is causing the whole resolutiongate fiasco. They cut out ROPs and shaders from the GPU in favor of the eDRAM, which they only went with for fear of GDDR5 shortages. Since ROPs determine pixel output, and any respectable 1080p targetting gaming card has 32 or more, I think that may be the bigger problem than the PS4 having 50% more shading power, it can outright output twice the pixels. That's also probably why MS went with a higher GPU clock than more compute units, as it was already ROP bound.

      • nanoflower
      • 6 years ago

      Yep.. I hope Scott updates that soon because currently it’s providing false information. You can’t have hardware that’s very similar and still have 50% better performance on one platform. Plus each of the reviews that he referenced came to the conclusion that the performance was similar between the consoles.

      It will be interesting to see how this plays out once devs actually get used to both platforms (with completed dev kits and OSs) so that we can see how the decison to go with GDDR5 memory on one system vs GDDR3 with EDRAM on the other. We know that EDRAM seems to be a big help on the Intel side (see Iris Pro) so how does it play out on the AMD side.

        • Damage
        • 6 years ago

        Pretty sure tipoo is saying the PS4 has more like 2X the ROP throughput, not just 50% higher. I don’t have specs on that, but if true, it’s another way MS skimped compared to Sony this time around.

        The eSRAM on the Xbone isn’t a cache, or at least it’s a software-managed one, at best. The PS4 has over 2X the main memory bandwidth through straight-up faster memory. The Xbone’s eSRAM could work wonders, but a wonder in this case would be not quite matching the PS4 on memory bandwidth-bound workloads.

        And yes, the PS4 has ~50% more shaders.

        I don’t see any need to update a statement that says “maybe 50% more powerful” given the total picture. I don’t think that estimate constitutes false information. When I said they were similar, I was talking about the GCN + Jaguar SoC architecture, not the total computing power.

          • derFunkenstein
          • 6 years ago

          Anand says the Xbone has 16ROPs and the PS4 has 32.

          [url<]http://www.anandtech.com/show/7528/the-xbox-one-mini-review-hardware-analysis/2[/url<]

          • tipoo
          • 6 years ago

          [quote<]Pretty sure tipoo is saying the PS4 has more like 2X the ROP throughput, not just 50% higher. I don't have specs on that, but if true, it's another way MS skimped compared to Sony this time around. [/quote<] Correct, that was exactly Tipoos point. It's 16 vs 32 ROPs. If you look at any GPU targetting respectable 1080p gaming, it's 32 ROPs or more. ROPs determine pixel output. Halving that may be why some games are limiting themselves to 720p or 900p on XBO. That 200% is a much bigger deal imo than the 50% more shading power. Just for funs sake, the Wii U halves the XBOs ROPs just like the XBO halves the PS4, coming in at 8.

            • Billstevens
            • 6 years ago

            If you want to game a 1080p or better apparently you should by a computer where you can chose what setting to run your games at. Otherwise suck it up and enjoy the prepackaged experience that consoles offer. I thought the whole point of a console was that you don’t have to worry about game settings…

            • tipoo
            • 6 years ago

            I don’t see why that should stop us geeks from figuring out which one will have more horsepower in the long run. And the way things look, I think the PS4 will have many more 1080p titles, and if/when they both do dip to 720p it will still have more power per pixel.

            • ermo
            • 6 years ago

            Not to mention that native 1080p titles will scale almost trivially to 4K TVs, which might be a point worth taking into consideration?

      • Andrew Lauritzen
      • 6 years ago

      I don’t think it was only because of fear of shortages… it’s also cost. I imagine Microsoft is losing way less money per-sale on the Xbone than Sony is on PS4 (and thus has more room to cut price if they need to). 8GB GDDR5 is very expensive compared to DDR3, even in bulk.

        • tipoo
        • 6 years ago

        Actually Anandtech thinks their solution actually will cost more, eDRAM is big and expensive in die area. It was more a supply concern.

          • Andrew Lauritzen
          • 6 years ago

          I seem to recall an estimate of that much GDDR5 coming in around $100 BOM. I’m guessing Sony gets a deal, but even then, it may well be more than the cost of the chip itself. Of course you have to subtract the DDR3 2133 cost on the Xbone, but I’d still be surprised if the PS4 solution wasn’t more expensive.

          Also, the Xbone didn’t increase the die area to accommodate the ESRAM, they reduced the size of the GPU such that both chips (Xbone, PS4) are fairly similar size. Thus it really should end up being just the GDDR5 vs DDR3 cost in the end, unless the ESRAM has really terrible yields or something (it shouldn’t).

          Indeed AnandTech seems to agree that platform cost was part of the reason Microsoft went this route:
          “At the end of the day Microsoft appears to have ended up with its GPU configuration not for silicon cost reasons, but for platform power/cost and component availability reasons.”
          [url<]http://anandtech.com/show/7528/the-xbox-one-mini-review-hardware-analysis/2[/url<] Anyways this is all speculation of course, but GDDR5 ain't cheap πŸ™‚

            • tipoo
            • 6 years ago

            Ah, you’re probably right, I must have read the chip alone is costlier.

        • nanoflower
        • 6 years ago

        Microsoft has said that they wanted the Xbox One to be either profitable or at least break even from day one while Sony is willing to lose money on the hardware. Though from early reports it does seem like Sony isn’t losing much on the PS4 hardware.

          • tipoo
          • 6 years ago

          It’s costing them 380 on the bill of materials, with shipping they’re probably just keeping even. The loss would be on the R&D side, but they may not be losing anything on the hardware side.

    • jstern
    • 6 years ago

    In an interview with a developer I read that since all the specs of the Xbox One were not finished, they were working with lower specs.

    • kamikaziechameleon
    • 6 years ago

    PS4 games so far are all rendering in native 1080p from what I heard. Not a huge diff between the AA up scaled Xbone except when you consider what it will look like on a 4K in 3 years. :^/

    I’m not a PC vs console guy, its clear there is value in a console as well as with pc. I do however hold unacceptable platform weaknesses or deliberate short comings against them.

    Xbox live is not cheap. Xbox live should be free. Paying to access already paid for content is simply offensive. Journalists don’t pay for live so they don’t make a point of its price. I’ve never in the last gen heard a journalist represent the gamer. They’d complain about little short comings on the PS3 and totally miss the 90 percent failure rate of xbox consoles. I went through 3 last gen. Everyone I knew had to buy a second one last gen. None mentioned how live was a paid for add saturated turd of a platform. How peer hosted MP services for games in no flipping way justified the pay for premium for online. OH LOOK I’M PLAYING WITH MY FRIENDS, THAT TOTALLY NEGATES THE STUPID AMOUNT OF LAG AND THE PRICE PREMIUM THIS IS JUST SO AMAZING!!! your sitting in your mothers basement, you want friends go to a lan party!

      • chuckula
      • 6 years ago

      [quote<]PS4 games so far are all rendering in native 1080p from what I heard. [/quote<] Oh Rlly? I hear 1600x900 upscaled: [url<]http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-battlefield-4-next-gen-vs-pc-face-off-preview[/url<]

        • Narishma
        • 6 years ago

        BF4 is the only exception that I know of. Some cross-platform games (CoD:Ghost and AC4) initially released at 720p or 1600×900 but were upgraded to 1080p with post-release patches.

      • David
      • 6 years ago

      Bash Xbox live all you want, but you realize the PS4 requires Playstation Plus to play online, right?

      Also, the PS3’s online functionality was a pile of poop. The best example is trying to play GTA 5 with friends. Without party functionality it’s a joke….we have to skype.

        • ermo
        • 6 years ago

        Did Microsoft own Skype when you had to do this? If so, it is hard to miss the irony of the situation…

      • cynan
      • 6 years ago

      The rant about Xbox live having a subscription fee is well worn by now, but surely valid.

      However, I don’t see what the high failure rates of the Xbox 360 during the first couple of years it was sold has to do with it, or the XB1 at all, for that matter.

      • superjawes
      • 6 years ago

      [quote<]Xbox live is not cheap. Xbox live should be free. Paying to access already paid for content is simply offensive.[/quote<] No, it's not already paid for. Offering online games is a service. True, many companies make this service free, but they still provide the service, which isn't free to them. Some companies make up for this by perpetually selling content, like champions and skins in LoL, or hats in TF2. Other companies, especially those running MMOS, charge a per-month-per-game fee. Now you can argue on what you would prefer to deal with, but you cannot demand that a company offer something for free when it is not free for them.

        • Puiucs
        • 6 years ago

        He wasn’t talking about paying for free services, he talking about the other subscriptions like netflix. On the XBONE you pay to be able to pay for Netflix. Cool right? You also pay to play free to play games online. This is just stupid and i really don’t understand how MS fanboys keep praising such a system (even if it has a bit less lag than the PS4 on some games)

        • Diplomacy42
        • 6 years ago

        Sorry, but unless you play games online, it isn’t worth it to get a live subscription and putting all those “cool features” like the TV guide and Netflix on the other side of the pay wall doesn’t make me want live more, it makes me like Microsoft less.

        Yes, Microsoft had to put on its big boy pants and invest in the infrastructure necessary to offer a very highly demanded service, but that shouldn’t be an excuse to force people who don’t use that service to pay for it. Microsoft game servers don’t need a welfare check. If I BUY your $499 console then I should be able to USE it. this is just a continuation of the same flawed logic that got them in trouble after E3.

          • superjawes
          • 6 years ago

          [quote=”superjawes”<]Now you can argue on what you would prefer to deal with, but you cannot demand that a company offer something for free when it is not free for them.[/quote<] You can arugue what you would prefer to pay or what the value is/should be, but my specific objection to kamikaziechameleon's post was the demand for a free service. If a service has an associated cost (infrastructure, customer support, software development, whatever), you cannot demand it to be free. It costs MS money to maintain it. You can object to how they are paying for it (through Gold subscriptions), you can suggest other ways to pay for it (like ads bought by other companies), but you cannot demand it to be free without qualification.

    • StuG
    • 6 years ago

    They spend all this time trying to make the Xbox One an HTPC + Gaming System yet it doesn’t support many popular formats. Pretty fail if you ask me….

    • superjawes
    • 6 years ago

    My prediction? Both consoles will “survive” this generation. I doubt either will go the way of the Dreamcast.

    Going into this generation, I think PS4 has a clear edge since they’re focusing on what gamers want while the XBOne is doing more to expand the overall functionality and usability of the video game console, and the high price will limit early adoption..

    However, I think PS4 will convert more core gamers to the PC platform (especially with outside efforts like SteamOS), while XBOne will expand its capabilities around Kinect and adding features to common television (DVR and…stuff). So as these consoles prepare for their sucessors (PS5 and XBToo?), Microsoft will be in better shape to continue in the market so long as they offer features that are still unavailable or unrefined on PC.

    Then again, we could get a few monkey wrenches thrown in between now and then. XBOne’s success (to some extent) will depend on the TV model surviving, or it has to be able to welcome new content delivery services as they launch. And Steam Machines are a whole different animal since they offer a platform with variable entry fees, complete backwards compatibility, and hardware imrpovements over time.

      • nanoflower
      • 6 years ago

      My understanding is that Xbox One does very well when it comes to using streaming sites like Hulu and Netflix. So that should work out well for them (at least in the USA.) I’m not sure how popular those services are internationally. (Are they even available in all of the markets the Xbox One is entering?)

        • Deanjo
        • 6 years ago

        Not sure why you would pickup a power hungry expensive console for streaming services when there are a ton of cheaper devices that do the job just as well (such as Roku).

          • superjawes
          • 6 years ago

          But what if you didn’t have a gaming PC? Now you’re getting a device that will do streaming services AND play the latest games. On top of that, I think both consoles offer Blu-Ray playback. That’s the value proposition of consoles.

            • Deanjo
            • 6 years ago

            I still would pickup a small dedicated device for streaming just for the fact of it generating zero noise and consuming a heck of a lot less power.

          • derFunkenstein
          • 6 years ago

          I dunno about anyone else but once Netflix and Amazon streaming hit the PS3, I only had one non-cable box hooked to my TV. PS3 did it all for me. Games and streaming and even local streaming.

          Sony kind of bungled that, though. No audio CDs. No MP3s. No DLNA streaming. I just want to go punch the software design team in the gonads. Hopefully they can get that fixed soon and by the time I get a PS4 I’ll be able to put the PS3 in my office on a spare monitor.

            • nanoflower
            • 6 years ago

            It feels like both consoles needed another six months of work to get the software in a proper state. Many features that have been talked about or have been on past consoles aren’t there just yet like Twitch on Xbox One. Those extra months would have allowed more polish on the software side but as always the need to get the product out in time for the Christmas season controls the schedule.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 6 years ago

            I don’t think either one of them wanted to wait a year and spend more money on a profiting that still hasn’t hit the market and, worse yet, risk losing market if the other guy didn’t delay. Better to do something that mostly worked, in their minds, and does its main function well. Would rather have all the features at launch though.

    • chuckula
    • 6 years ago

    [quote<]More than one reviewer has remarked on how games don't look that much different or better on the Xbone than on the 360, which is both scandalous and also somewhat predictable to the grizzled veteran of contemporary PC gaming. [/quote<] I saw similar comments about the PS4 vs. PS3. The PS4 is certainly the more powerful of the two consoles when it comes to playing games because it gets the beefier GPU + GDDR5. However, it ain't like we're talking about the difference between an uber-high end SLI rig system vs. an underpowered IGP here... both of these systems can be tweaked to give similar visual experiences and both of them rely on the same basic underlying CPU/GPU building blocks.

      • jessterman21
      • 6 years ago

      I bet because most consolites can’t see the difference, a lot of cross-platform games will be running at 1080p on PS4 and 900p on XBone (probably with a make-look-better sharpening filter like in BF4…) especially because of the ROP gap and the divided resources for multitasking and Kinect.

    • Goty
    • 6 years ago

    Yeah, but can you do THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHamQV-XEdc) with a PS4? Didn’t think so!

    (Yeah, I’d probably still get the PS4 if I was in the market.)

      • derFunkenstein
      • 6 years ago

      Hey that was really helpful. At the 1 minute mark when he starts using the UI you can see some added lag. So definitely don’t put your PS4 into your Xbox.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 6 years ago

    I can’t figure out why but Ars’ head-to-head says “probably don’t upgrade, but if you do buy an Xbone”. Pay extra for the same experience, but – camera!

    Gonna wait for the dust to settle a bit and for PS4s to get back in stock and after the first of the year I’ll pick one up.

    It won’t be until exclusives get a little more time to bake that one will stick out beyond the other with better and prettier graphics. On a 42″ 1080p TV 10 feet away (in my living room) I won’t probably mind.

      • superjawes
      • 6 years ago

      If you didn’t have a capable PC, XBOne has more exclusive games, and that is the driving force, I think. Of course, if you do have a PC, then the exclusive list tilts in Sony’s favor, which is why I would probably get a PS4 if I needed to spend a ton of money on a new console that will collect dust most of the time.

        • nafhan
        • 6 years ago

        Others will disagree, but I feel like if you’re using a console mainly for exclusives not available on the PC, your best bet might be a Wii U.

        An added bonus for me is that I completely skipped the Wii, and the backwards compatibility means there’s a huge catalog of first party Nintendo games I haven’t played yet.

          • superjawes
          • 6 years ago

          Which I already have, actually…I jumped the gun because I’m a lifetime Nintendo fan.

          Looking back, since I transitioned to PC gaming in 2008, I think I used the Wii most. There really wasn’t a reason to use my 360 when I had a PC, and I only got the PS3 for a few games and Blu-Ray playback.

          • Billstevens
          • 6 years ago

          We keep Nintendo consoles around simply because if you like Mario, Zelda, Star Fox, Metroid, Sonic , ect … this is the only place to enjoy these games without stealing them.

          When it comes to party games and on screen multiplayer we always end up playing a Nintendo console. Unless someone is too cool and trying to torture use with a dance game on the Xbone360.

          With a gaming PC and Nintendo I won’t be missing much except for a few PS4 exclusives and Halo… To me there is just not enough variance between PC games and PS4 Xbone games. And the exclusives on a PC are much vaster especially with respect to innovation.

        • derFunkenstein
        • 6 years ago

        I really only have three series of exclusive I care about and they will all be on PS4: MLB The Show, Disgaea, and Uncharted.

          • superjawes
          • 6 years ago

          And I care about inFamous and Kingdom Hearts, so I’m in the same boat. Virtually everything else I’m interested in is coming to PC.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 6 years ago

            I loved the first inFamous, but didn’t really dig the second one as much. Got it free with PS+

            Speaking of which, PS+ pays for itself time and time again. Another reason to get a PS4.

            • sweatshopking
            • 6 years ago

            Free games with gold now too.

            • jessterman21
            • 6 years ago

            I was so broken up about the Halo series and God of War when I decided against X360/PS3 and bought a $100 video card instead, but I’ve since realized that I really only liked the first entry in each series… and I still have my GoW on my PS2 and Halo on my PC.

            Not to mention I like the Crysis and Darksiders series better, now anyway. Naruto games are coming to PC now, and I’ve got Dolphin for my Nintendo fix… Add to that the fact that I never pay more than $15 for any game on the PC, and it’s hard to feel like a compromise of any kind…..

            • derFunkenstein
            • 6 years ago

            You liked Darksiders? It was the blandest 3rd person beat-em-up since ever.

            • jessterman21
            • 6 years ago

            Haha, I love hacknslashers – it scratched my GoW itch pretty well. Some terrible levels, but what game doesn’t have those?

            Also, I was going to say something about Kingdom Hearts, but refrained. The only game that made me painfully aware I was a 20something playing as a 9-year-old… (IMO fighting Cloud/Vincent and getting my ass handed to me by Sephiroth was better than the whole rest of the game.)

            • Billstevens
            • 6 years ago

            Once your attached to a quality game series your gonna make sure you have the platform to play it.

      • nanoflower
      • 6 years ago

      The single biggest reason that most people have for choosing a Xbox One over a PS4 is the number of games available on day one. You can get many more games for an Xbox One this year than you can for the PS4. That may change next year but for now the options for the PS4 are fairly slim (especially if you have a decent gaming PC available.)

        • derFunkenstein
        • 6 years ago

        superjawes said something similar and I guess that’s true. I didn’t realize either console had more than 1 exclusive top-end game yet (Killzone vs. Forza).

        The cross-platform games don’t look special to start off, but right now devs are writing for four console platforms. Once the PS3 and Xbox 360 die off you’ll see people take more advantage of what’s available in the new systems (and that’s good for PC gamers because let’s be honest – ports aren’t going away – and the source will be much nicer looking to boot). This happened early in the Xbox 360’s life cycle and eventually games looked better than they did at launch.

    • Milo Burke
    • 6 years ago

    [quote<]Click through and choose "view full size" to [b<]embiggen[/b<].[/quote<] Scott is a Simpson's fan!

      • tipoo
      • 6 years ago

      That choice of words is perfectly cromulent.

      • hieu.noob
      • 6 years ago

      Just watched that episode last night, how fitting.

    • ChronoReverse
    • 6 years ago

    The one thing I like about the XO that I didn’t expect to like was that voice commands actually can save time sometimes. Being able to skip steps to launch any game immediately is a good thing.

    Other than that, nothing really stands out. I’m not much of a console gamer though (#pcmasterrace) so I suppose I wasn’t disposed to be impressed in the first place.

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