AMD sheds more light on Kaveri, announces new mobile Radeons

During a pre-CES press conference this evening, AMD revealed more details about its upcoming Kaveri APU. The company also provided an update on Beema and Mullins, its low-power mobile processors due later this year, and it announced a handful of new mobile Radeons.

We already had a decent idea of what to expect from Kaveri, but AMD hadn’t gone into specifics about power and performance. During today’s press event, AMD’s Lisa Su revealed that Steamroller, the microarchitecture upon which Kaveri’s CPU cores are based, delivers a 20% improvement in instructions per clock over the previous generation. She also disclosed that Kaveri’s desktop incarnation will fit in power envelopes ranging from 45W to 95W. There was talk of configurable TDPs, as well.

We’ve known for some time that Kaveri will be the first AMD APU with uniform memory access, or hUMA—something AMD expects to yield substantial performance benefits in GPU compute apps. To hammer that point home, AMD invited Michael Meeks of the Document Foundation on the stage. Meeks showed an OpenCL-accelerated version of LibreOffice’s Calc app running on Kaveri. He quoted a 7X performance gain on an A10-7850K chip, which is presumably one of the top-of-the-line Kaveri models.

In case you missed our previous coverage, Kaveri is hitting the desktop on January 14. Mobile versions will be out later this year.

Speaking of mobile, AMD’s Lisa Su disclosed a few fresh tidbits about those Beema and Mullins chips we heard about in November. Su said the chips are "doing great" and have been "in labs for many months." She added that AMD is already sending out samples to its customers, and that we can expect to see Mullins inside 11.6" tablets.

Last, but not least, three new mobile Radeon GPUs were announced at the event: the R5 M230, R7 M265, R9 M290X. These sound like mid-range and high-end offerings, but your guesses are as good as ours. Scott was on the scene, and he says AMD didn’t reveal specs. All we know is that a Lenovo notebook featuring the R5 M230 (sitting alongside a Kabini APU) will ship this month. We’ll keep you posted as we learn more.

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    • USAFTW
    • 6 years ago

    Was pleased to see the battlefield 4 mantle demo. If it wasn’t a fake.
    I have to balance it, don’t I because this is the techreport (TopGear JC parody), the rest of the presentation was blander than my bladder.

    • Unknown-Error
    • 6 years ago

    [b<]:HUMONGOUS FACEPALM:[/b<] oh dear! oh dear! - [url<]http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AMD-A10-7850K-Performance-Review-529/[/url<] This is worse than I thought.

      • NeelyCam
      • 6 years ago

      Why is it slower than Richland in many CPU benchies? And only a marginally faster GPU.. I thought this was supposed to nuke Haswell Iris Pro? Looks like Iris Pro still beats it (cue the “but its cheapa!!”). Broadwell is bound to be faster.

      Mobile versions supposed to come out “later this [i<]year[/i<]" (Q4?)? The mobile story will get brutal when Broadwell hits the street.. are the mobile ones gonna come out before Broadwell? Oh, and I admit - my prediction about Temash tablets was wrong. They didn't make it to the market within my window of November 2013 +/- one month. NeelyCam was wrong

        • tipoo
        • 6 years ago

        [quote<]Looks like Iris Pro still beats it (cue the "but its cheapa!!")[/quote<] Isn't your mock defence fair though? Any Iris Pro part is far more expensive, plus not socketed yet (not until broadwell)

          • chuckula
          • 6 years ago

          It is completely fair for at least these reasons:

          1. For the last 5 years all we have heard is how incompetent Intel is and how it is literally physically impossible for them to ever come up with an IGP that could compete with AMD. I’ve grown rather tired of this being repeated over & over like religious dogma. Well Martin Luther just nailed something to the door kiddos.

          2. The first generation of Iris Pro is Intel’s 2013 GPU solution. Kaveri is AMD’s 2014 (and likely most of 2015 if history is a guide) solution. Broadwell is coming and don’t for one second think that Broadwell’s Iris Pro is going to be gunning for a 10% IGP improvement.

          3. No matter what, Kaveri’s CPU is going to be slow. Don’t like big-bad Intel’s IGPs? Fine, buy a part with a lower-end IGP and use a discrete GPU… I do, and frankly the price difference between very nice i5 Haswells and Kaveri ain’t all that big. Want an AMD CPU with strong performance? Uh.. well for certain values of “strong” you could get an FX piledriver that AMD has effectively EOL’d. Otherwise, no matter how much money you spend, you ain’t getting a strong CPU.

          Want BOTH a strong CPU *and* the best IGP *and* to have it in a power envelope that puts Kaveri to shame? That would be the IRis Pro. So basically no: it isn’t overpriced since AMD won’t sell you a real competitor for any amount of money.

            • Unknown-Error
            • 6 years ago

            Broadwell is an almost 2 TFLOP (raw) monster. Top Broadwell may have as many as [b<][u<]96 Gen 8[/u<] EU[/b<]!. That is just crazy! And still consume 30% less power than Haswell thanks to the 14nm process. Plus, unlike the current Iris-Pro, Broadwell will have socketed versions like the regular 3770K/4770K. Kaveri will get absolutiely smashed by Broadwell. It doesn't look good for AMD and it looks really bad for the AMD fanboiz.

            • chuckula
            • 6 years ago

            Out of curiosity, where did yuo hear about 96 EUs? I’ve hear 48 in the next generation parts plus the fact that this is a new GPU architecture so each EU should have some more punch. The numbers I’ve heard are in the 40 – 50% range for performance improvements over the existing Iris Pro parts. 96 EUs would be a little scary to think about…

            • Unknown-Error
            • 6 years ago

            From what I’ve heard 48 EU (or less) is for the 4.5W – 47W range CPU.

            But unlike the 4770K there will be a turbo charged version of ‘Broadwell-K’ said to be GT4 with 96 EU and eDRAM. This is the one with 2 TFLOPs. This thing could go up to 95W. Check this out – [url=http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4681/9ek0.jpg<]Link-1[/url<], [url=http://www.highperformancegraphics.org/previous/www_2012/media/Hot3D/HPG2012_Hot3D_Intel.pdf<]Link-2[/url<] (full PDF from 2012, scroll to page 19). It seems GenX is now Gen8.

            • chuckula
            • 6 years ago

            Thanks! We’ll see how it turns out later this year I guess.

            • Spunjji
            • 6 years ago

            I’ll take those 30% power improvements when I see them (nothing is guaranteed at this level of manufacturing), but the IGP improvements sound promising if they show up in something costing a reasonable amount.

      • chuckula
      • 6 years ago

      That was an excellent find… ok, maybe not “excellent” but extremely informative.

      Holy crap: [quote<]Especially in terms of gaming performance when using the integrated graphics, it is about 10% faster than the previous generation APUs.[/quote<] Holy crap 2: [quote<]First, while the gaming performance is better than Intel, it is only better if you are using integrated graphics. [b<][i<]As soon as you add a discrete video card, an equivalently priced Intel-based system is going to give you overall better performance in most games.[/b<][/i<] And while the gaming performance is very good for integrated graphics, if you consider yourself even a moderate gamer you likely would want to invest in a discrete video card.[/quote<] There goes the "but it's cheaper waaahhh!!" argument for 99% of the TR readers who use even a $70 GPU in a gaming system. Hey AMD fans: Remember 2013 when 10% meant that Haswell was a complete disaster?

    • vargis14
    • 6 years ago

    Since Kaveri’s Steamrollers CPU cores say they have a 20% improvement in instructions per clock and better power consumption over the previous generation Piledriver cores, if this is 100% true??? To be seen.

    If it turns out the Steamroller cores are 20% better then Piledriver cores I think AMD is making a big mistake not making new AM3+ or a new socket like AM4 with DDR4 support with new steamroller based FX-9350 “the FX-8350 replacement for high end AMD CPU’s. With a 20% increase in performance clock for clock and a little bit more power efficient I think a new 4 module 8 core high end CPU for AMD with DDR4 support would increase that 20% to a 25% increase in performance perhaps more.

    Unless the20% increase in performance is from the new graphics core I think AMD SHOULD NOT GIVE UP on the FX SERIES CHIPS.

    Do not get me wrong I love my sandy bridge CPUS but if AMD compete with Intel even if it’s with a 20% increase in performance I think AMD should keep up the high end CPU buisiness.

    • HisDivineOrder
    • 6 years ago

    Perhaps AMD didn’t reveal specs on the mobile GPU’s because they haven’t gotten any orders for any yet and they’re waiting until OEM customers show up and want one. OEM’s have been notoriously meh about AMD graphics solutions since Optimus rose to prominence and Enduro languished in obscurity.

    Or perhaps they don’t know. It’s entirely possible as anyone who recalls the debacle around the R9 290X reveal/preorder it soon/twitter: “Tomorrow!”/wait two weeks with no more word of anything. I’d count on getting the specs when a laptop shows up with one.

    Given they reduced clockspeeds with Kaveri, I’d say the improvement in per core performance is going to basically cancel it out in most cases. So no improvement over Richlands in CPU performance. The GPU performance should improve some, but since the complaints most have about AMD APU’s revolve around their CPU performance or their performance per watt, still focusing GPU improvement when the CPU is lacking seems like an arguably bad choice to make.

    Especially when AMD is leaving the FX series with Piledriver cores to wither and die on the vine. Too bad. They don’t seem to get that an HTPC doesn’t need much more than the value proposition Intel is offering and, worse, Intel IGP is now supported in SteamOS whereas AMD remains MIA. That just looks bad for a company swearing they’re as intimately involved in SteamOS as nVidia that’s been there since Day 1.

    AMD needs to stop making such bad decisions or we’re going to be stuck in a world with just Intel/nVidia where we can have the entire DIY PC industry get priced into extinction.

      • chuckula
      • 6 years ago

      The mobile flavor of Kaveri isn’t ready to ship yet. Expect to see it late Q1 or into Q2.

    • ronch
    • 6 years ago

    Anandtech seems to have an article about Kaveri as well. [url=http://www.anandtech.com/show/7643/amds-kaveri-prelaunch-information<]Here.[/url<] Based on the article, it would seem Kaveri has an L3 cache (look at the couple of blue strips 'below' the CPU cores that look like big pools of memory) but the L2 blocks per core seem to have shrunk. 1MB per module, perhaps? Performance-wise, given the "up to" 20% higher IPC along with slightly lower clock speeds when comparing the top model Richland (3.8GHz max) and Kaveri (3.7GHz max), we could be looking at "up to" 16% better per-core performance. That PCMark benchmark seems to have lots of bias towards the GPU though, because there's no way a Richland can beat the Core i5-4670K CPU-wise no matter how you slice it. Using the same benchmark, it appears Kaveri would have little to brag over Richland as well. GPU-wise, all this hype about AMD's APU lineup finally transitioning to GCN is too much. GCN has been around for what, almost 2 years? Perhaps it's a better, tweaked version of GCN compared to the 7000-series but I think it just took AMD too long to put GCN inside an APU. Still, it's a nice transition, albeit late. Few people would even care what GPU lurks underneath anyway, as long as they get the performance they need to play LOL. Even fewer people would probably care to take advantage of Kaveri's HSA or GPGPU capabilities. All in all, a good evolution of AMD's APU lineup. Despite the modest CPU performance increase I think I won't have any issues getting one of these for myself or the wife, or recommending it to people who are on a limited budget for a gaming PC.

      • Alexko
      • 6 years ago

      Those blue strips are the memory PHYs, not L3 cache.

    • ronch
    • 6 years ago

    20% IPC gain over Piledriver…. interesting, if not totally awesome. I would think that 20% is what BD/PD integer cores lose when the single set of (4) decoders need to feed both cores every other clock. This was shown by TR when they fed 4 threads to 4 modules and saw ~20% performance improvement versus feeding four threads across 2 modules/4 cores. I wonder how much IPC Excavator will have over Steamroller when and if it comes out.

    I really hope AMD will continue pushing the fundamental Bulldozer architecture for many more iterations. I think this architecture is yet to see its finest moment.

      • Unknown-Error
      • 6 years ago

      Key is [b<]"Up to"[/b<] 20% gain. Average gain I think is 5%-10% and in some cases negligible, depending on application.

        • ronch
        • 6 years ago

        Which, IIRC, was also shown by the TR article. AMD should really put in a better scheduler and more execution units per core, essentially widening the machine.

    • Srsly_Bro
    • 6 years ago

    HSA

      • Klimax
      • 6 years ago

      Not much.

    • sschaem
    • 6 years ago

    Waiting for the reviews, but I’m building my next htpc shopping cart around kavery.
    But then, the leaked benchmark seem way to good to be true. That raises a red flag…

    • nanoflower
    • 6 years ago

    I wonder if Kaveri will cause Intel to adjust their prices. If Kaveri does deliver a 20% IPC then it seems that it becomes more of a winner in comparison to the Intel line. Not that it’s going to beat Intel in performance but with the likely lower price of Kaveri compared to Intel’s I3/I5/I7 perhaps we will see Intel begin to move their prices? At least one can hope.

      • Voldenuit
      • 6 years ago

      [quote<]I wonder if Kaveri will cause Intel to adjust their prices. If Kaveri does deliver a 20% IPC then it seems that it becomes more of a winner in comparison to the Intel line.[/quote<] Bwahahahaha, good one! Kaveri: 20 % improvement in IPC (CPU). 10% reduction in clockspeed (vs Richland) 16% increase MSRP Net: +9% performance (CPU) -6.5% performance/dollar That +20% IPC is also likely to be a "best case scenario", expect the real world advantages to be lower; in which case the performance and performance/dollar values both take a dip southwards.

        • tcubed
        • 6 years ago

        – IPC – instructions per core … not cicle in this case… that means… that with the 10% reduction it still delivers up to 20% more performance over Richland (And it does so in benchmarks even with lower frequencies)

        – 16% MSRP increase – these are preorder prices… retail prices will be most probably be lower in the 150$ range

        The numbers are synthetic benchmark numbers so hardly “best case scenarios”… not best case scenario like… say… using a special compiled 1 type of instruction only run … like other companies used to do…

        So…

          • ronch
          • 6 years ago

          IPC = Instructions Per Clock

          IPC has gone up, so it means a 3.7GHz Steamroller core delivers the performance of a Piledriver core that’s running at 4.44GHz, and 4.44 is 16.8% higher than 3.8 which is the base clock for the top model Richland part.

          Jeez, where in the world did you get IPC = Instructions Per Core???

            • tcubed
            • 6 years ago

            [s<]because they mentioned performance per core(+20%) not instructions per core(which in fact is about + >30%)... so the analogy was wrong so I corrected it ... that's all. I DO know IPC is instruction per clock... AMD however mentioned 20% improved performance per core not clock... is all..[/s<] edited because proven wrong - sorry

            • chuckula
            • 6 years ago

            [quote<]because they mentioned performance per core(+20%)[/quote<] I don't know who "they" is but this official slide from AMD's official presentation clearly states 20% IPC and *not* 20% net CPU performance: [url<]http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7643/2.png[/url<] "Up to 20% better x86 IPC" They're also promising "up to 50%" better GPU, but they had earlier promised 30%... maybe 50% is assuming you are running Mantle code since Mantle doesn't work with Trinity....

            • jensend
            • 6 years ago

            They’re probably claiming 50% improvement in GPU computation power (a rather modest claim given the hardware difference) but only up to 30% improvement in games (and even that’s probably for the lower TDP chips). 512 GCN cores will be very very bandwidth constrained in current-gen games at normal settings when you’re using only 2 channels of DDR3.

            [url=http://ht4u.net/reviews/2012/msi_radeon_hd_7750_2gb_ddr3_test/index39.php<]We've already seen this exact same story with the DDR3 vs GDDR5 versions of the 7750. Same core counts, similar core and memory speeds.[/url<] [url=https://techreport.com/news/25699/leaked-kaveri-slide-makes-performance-claims-mentions-dedicated-ssd-interface?post=781353<]I've said this to you before.[/url<] edit: adding [url=http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos_news/00/39/IMG0039893.gif<]another set of 7750 DDR3 vs GDDR5 benchmarks[/url<]

            • jensend
            • 6 years ago

            BTW I think that this means that at least at launch the one desktop chip which will be interesting is the A8-7600, if leaked specs and prices are close to accurate. CPU speed isn’t all that much lower than the A10-7850K, the A10’s extra GCN cores are bottlenecked anyways, 30W lower TDP, ~$70 lower launch price.

            • mesyn191
            • 6 years ago

            DDR4 can’t come soon enough for AMD.

            I suppose they could do quad channel DDR3 or take Intel’s route and dump cache on package but there isn’t even a hint of them trying to do either outside of the trash sites that just post every rumor.

            • tcubed
            • 6 years ago

            well this is not a rumor they did announce this (8Tbps sounds like quite enough…):

            [url<]http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/33445-amd-teams-up-with-sk-hynix-for-3d-memory[/url<] if such a sollution comes early 2015 to market AMD won't need ram bandwidth any more other then for this type of applications: [url<]http://www.legitreviews.com/ces-2014-sandisk-ulltradimm-future-storage_132368[/url<] and these types of applications can at least for the moment do quite well with current DDR3 standard or DDR4 if it gets addopted at large.

            • mesyn191
            • 6 years ago

            2015 is probably too early. That is also going to be expensive.

            • chuckula
            • 6 years ago

            I generally agree with your point, especially that an underclocked HD-7750 should be used as a ceiling for best-case performance that we’ll see in Kaveri.

            There are a few differences though. The original article was purportedly about *mobile* versions of Kaveri where I was saying that I expected desktop Kaveri to show the biggest gains. You are actually saying the opposite (mobile has bigger relative gain than desktop). I think it will be interesting to see how Kaveri does once AMD gets the mobile versions out.

            I think that I was overly optimistic in my 50% figure for performance improvements. A part of that is due to bandwidth, but I think the whole bandwidth thing is being used as an excuse: AMD knew about bandwidth issues going at least as far back as Llano. They could do try to do something about the situation.

            • Chrispy_
            • 6 years ago

            [quote<]AMD knew about bandwidth issues going at least as far back as Llano. They could do try to do something about the situation.[/quote<] Well said. They've had a 5+ year headstart on the IGP front and there's no headway on bandwidth for their APU products. Microsoft (XBone) and Intel (GT3e) have both solved this issue whilst AMD sit back content to half-heartedly address their only valid consumer market. AMD's CPU division is on death watch 2014....

            • vargis14
            • 6 years ago

            The gddr5 7750 averages 52% faster then the DDR 3 7750.

            This is why I always steer people away from the ddr3 7750s.

            • tcubed
            • 6 years ago

            correct! My mistake, I was looking at an older slide that did not specify exactly IPC.

      • UnfriendlyFire
      • 6 years ago

      Intel: “Oh how adorable. They actually have something competitive… Tell the marketing team to restart the TV and magazine advertisement bombardments. If the consumers don’t know that Kaveri exists, they won’t buy it.”

      (Assuming Kaveri delivers what AMD promised)

      • LostCat
      • 6 years ago

      AMD would have to actually gain marketshare for Intel to give a crap.

      • smilingcrow
      • 6 years ago

      A better aim for AMD might be to raise their prices rather than hope that Intel lower theirs.

        • NeelyCam
        • 6 years ago

        Yep. My theory is that if AMD has a high-performance part on their hands, prices will go up accordingly.

        Intel sets the market prices – not AMD. AMD just cruises along, trying to hit the performance/dollar spots just below Intel’s

          • ronch
          • 6 years ago

          So true. The market doesn’t set your price, your competitor does.

          And being the perennial underdog AMD needs to dance the way Intel wants them to dance. Even if AMD has a very strong product line they still need to price competitively against Intel the way they do now with Nvidia. In the case of their CPU business though, having slower and more power-hungry parts means they always need to price below competing Intel parts.

          • chuckula
          • 6 years ago

          It’s not really a theory.. back in the pre-core 2 part of 2006 AMD charged more for the high-end FX-62 parts than Intel does today for a 4960X.

      • Klimax
      • 6 years ago

      1) There were already some price cuts.
      2) Just 20% won’t be enough in any case.

      • tcubed
      • 6 years ago

      probably not… Intel doesn’t play price wars with AMD… hasn’t been doing it for a while now. AMD just doesn’t have enough drag on the market to do so… Maybe if AMD gets back to 30-40% of the market, Intel would start doing the price dance again… till then: All hail 1k i7’s! and 300$ i5’s! etc…

      • itachi
      • 6 years ago

      Intel is too stubborn.. Someone tell me, why the 3770k and 3750k prices are’nt dropping ? when you can get the 4670k and 4770k, for the same price and get better performance, that’s the stupidest thing I ever seen.

      I guess the 3770k should be a bit less maybe 290bucks or something.. and the 3570k.. 180 or something I don’t know.. At the moment my budget is restricted and I just feel like going for a fx8320, and of course won’t even overclock because I don’t wanna see the electricity bill go skyhigh ugh stupid amd power efficiency.

      I guess I can only hope the prices will move, or that this APU can actually deliver some decent CPU power( but then again wow buying an APU when you you have a graphic card :/ why the oboard graphic is’nt used to lower the graphic card load when you use one.. I don’t get it.

    • NeelyCam
    • 6 years ago

    [url<]http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-apu-a107850k-engineering-sample-spotted-benchmarked-cpuz-gpuz-screens-leaked/[/url<] [url<]http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/74e3fb03b40247dbb75f12ef76988a84.jpg[/url<] 3.7GHz Kaveri slower than 1.7GHz 17W Ivy Bridge? And this with 20% IPC improvement compared to the previous generation? What are they comparing it to? Ontario? K6...?

      • chuckula
      • 6 years ago

      Check out these NDA-violating slides: [url<]http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-apu-architecture-specifications-prices-revealed-241-billion-transistors-245mm2-die/[/url<] The absolute best quote from that entire deck? [quote<]35% of Steam gamers use SLOWER graphics than AMD A10-7850K![/quote<] The hilarious part is that there are fanboys out there who think that this is effectively a final declaration of victory for AMD. Oh, and before you say "35% sounds pretty good!" just remember how many low-power Intel IGP notebooks are out there where somebody slapped on Steam to play the occasional casual game. That's basically what AMD is "beating" with Kaveri.

        • NeelyCam
        • 6 years ago

        Man… is this gonna be another Bulldozer..?

          • Unknown-Error
          • 6 years ago

          Even under NDA, all leaks point towards an underwhelming product. Only savior might be the power consumption, considering how much power bulldozer & piledriver suck in. Not to mention the GF 28nm is supposed to be rubbish and clockspeeds were crippled especially the GPU to stay within the TDP.

          CPU base Originally 4.0GHz >> now 3.7GHz (Richland CPU base 4.1GHz)
          GPU base Originally [b<]900MHz[/b<] >> now 720MHz (Richland GPU base 844MHz) Kaveri Raw GFLOPS dropped from at least 1050 to 856. If AMD kept the original (2012) clockspeeds along with the "up to 20%" IPC increase over PD then it would have kicked Trinity/Richland all over the park. But looks like GF made sure that didn't happen. EDIT: Values mentioned are for 7850K & 6800K

            • tcubed
            • 6 years ago

            I think they even admitted to the frequency loss… quite sad really… I still hope that it overclocks and can be taken to the richland frequencies. Or that along the road there still is a Kaveri with 4hz/1ghz CPU/GPU as process matures and they work out the kinks…

            • NeelyCam
            • 6 years ago

            Wow.

            This might be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. Ten years from now we’ll look back at the Bulldozer-Kaveri era and say to ourselves “Yep – GloFo destroyed AMD”.

            No wonder the GloFo CEO seat has been getting some fresh action lately.

          • chuckula
          • 6 years ago

          I’ll give Kaveri some credit: It will be faster in both CPU and GPU than its predecessor without having to pull ridiculous amounts of power to do it. In that regard it’s no Bulldozer.

          Then again, when anything that Intel puts out is automatically considered a “failure” and a “disaster” because the CPU performance is “only” 10% faster… well, let’s just say that sometimes AMD is held to a much lower standard for “success”.

            • tcubed
            • 6 years ago

            yeah kaveri uses less power, works on lower frequencies but still outperforms richland by a decent bit. That’s all dandy and all but I’d expect a 4ghz part with 1ghz gpu to be the first tflops grade apu ever… To that it is somewhat of a let down but it’s no bulldozer not by a huge margin. It’s better but not as good as some expected it to be… not bad either beating out the i5 4670K which is a 3.4GHz 84W quad core haswell. With ~10% frequency advantage it beats the i5 (in CPU power!!) by claimed 25% – NOT BAT AT ALL! And uses only 10W more then the i5 even though the intel chip is on 22nm and this one is on 28nm… The product is really good! I’d call it even atm:

            Kaveri has:
            – Iris Pro grade GPU
            – modern i5 grade CPU
            – sells for less then an i7 and most i5’s
            – uses just a tad more power

            even though it is on a bigger node… I’d say it’s a success anyway you slice it…

            still…

            I expected a 1 TFLOPS APU!!(a 1.8 like the PS4 would be even better but hey…) Come on AMD 4ghz CPU + 1ghz GPU I know you can do it and you know too! At least give intel a run for the money!

      • UnfriendlyFire
      • 6 years ago

      I typically don’t trust wccftech. I’ve noticed that they’re the first ones to get snagged with photoshopped photos.

      One of their articles about Kaveri was based on photos provided by 4chan, and the author genuinely trusted the photos. Yeah, they REALLY do their research.

        • nanoflower
        • 6 years ago

        Yes, it’s hard to know if this information is accurate. Plus it being an engineering sample may also mean the final product will give a different level of performance. The good thing is we will know for sure in just about a week. I would hope that wccftech has it wrong and AMD has a decent product in Kaveri. It’s probably not something I would buy but it’s good to put at least some pressure on Intel. Right now Intel isn’t under any threat for AMD to take any business from them.

      • Spunjji
      • 6 years ago

      Reserving judgement for when some reliable sources can be found.

    • chuckula
    • 6 years ago

    [quote<]Meeks showed an OpenCL-accelerated version of LibreOffice's Calc app running on Kaveri.[/quote<] As somebody who uses LibreOffice on a daily basis let me tell you: [b<]OPENCL GIMMICKS ARE THE ABSOLUTE LAST THING IT NEEDS.[/b<] I'd settle for the draw program not automatically messing up my routing lines whenever I save & reopen a file. Oh, and if LibreOffice is going to try to clone MS office all the way down to the bug level*, could we at least have a working equation editor? * Here's a fun intentional bug that Libreoffice copied mindlessly: Tracking changes? Want to copy some deleted text (that you can highlight and that you can right-click and that has the "copy" option pop up) to the clip board so you can paste it somewhere else? NOPE!! Microsoft decided you don't need to do that so we will too! But Microsoft at least gives you an annoying popup telling you that it isn't working, while Libreoffice fails silently! Joy! Now go off and run some OpenCL that has an even chance of crashing your spreadsheet!

      • smilingcrow
      • 6 years ago

      Looking to move on from Office 2003 as extended support ends in 3 months or so. I’ve tried Open Orifice and also Libre Awfulness and I’d rather run unsupported software than deal with that crud. No email client, the spreadsheet lacks basic add-in support and is slow as molasses and the word processor has less features than Word Perfect for DOS 0.001. I’m not even a power user but anyone that suggests it’s a replacement for Office might as well use WordPad or write on the back of an envelope.

        • BlackStar
        • 6 years ago

        No email client? Sheesh, people these days.

        Just install Thunderbird and be done with it.

          • derFunkenstein
          • 6 years ago

          No Exchange support could ruin that.

            • tcubed
            • 6 years ago

            Well… if you afford an exchange server you afford an office license… don’t you :D?

          • smilingcrow
          • 6 years ago

          I did and tried importing two separate Outlook PST files and it continually crashed.
          That left me with no confidence that is a suitable replacement.

          Also I use Excel for business usage and it is the gold standard; Libre office is clearly a massive regression.

      • Klimax
      • 6 years ago

      That’s at least “harmless” bug, but how about totally messing up layout when you try to get two paragraphs and two images at once on a single page? (p-I-p-I was target)
      Well, in that case LO managed to one-up Word 2007 and spread images over two different pages, three pages apart.
      Note: I gave up around 3.5 and got Office 2010…

      Or how about screwing up export into PPTX, so PowerPoint won’t load it and while LO will, all formatting was gone. (Happened just before I was to give presentation…)
      ETA: BTW: That was regression in new version at that time.

      Side note: Till it was Sun/Oracle’s product, it was quite stable and was true replacement for MO for light use.
      (Before OpenOffice we used local suite by Software 602… about best non-MS suite)

      • ronch
      • 6 years ago

      Yeah. I ditched LibreOffice and went back to MS Office because of the mind-blowing bugs too. You should try Impress. I bet you would be anything [u<][b<]BUT[/b<][/u<] impressed! Spend hours doing a presentation, periodically save your work, close the file and have a coffee break, open it 5 minutes later, and pull your hair out. I admire their efforts, but LibreOffice is anything but high quality software.

      • tcubed
      • 6 years ago

      Oh I feel your pain… I really do… And honestly for me Open Office is fast enough. I too would like it if they would polish the user interface and get those menus in order, they’re a mess + the bugs oh the bugs are killing it… Latest versions are a tad bit better but still below MS Office 🙁

    • chuckula
    • 6 years ago

    [quote<]During today's press event, AMD's Lisa Su revealed that Steamroller, the microarchitecture upon which Kaveri's CPU cores are based, delivers a 20% improvement in instructions per clock over the previous generation. [/quote<] Sounds impressive until you remember the reference point. So, if this paraphrase is accurate should we expect ~10% real-world CPU improvement due to the cuts in clockspeed from Trinity?

    • MadManOriginal
    • 6 years ago

    [quote<]we can expect to see Mullins inside 11.6" tablets[/quote<] Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, you can't be fooled again YEeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!

      • chuckula
      • 6 years ago

      Look, that quote is perfectly accurate if you just remove the unfortunate typo. It should have read: “we can expect to see Mullins inside 11.6 tablets (one of them was dropped during shipping)”

    • chuckula
    • 6 years ago

    [quote<]Speaking of mobile, AMD's Lisa Su disclosed a few fresh tidbits about those Beema and Mullins chips we heard about in November.[/quote<] FOR THE LOVE OF PETE DON'T LET HER TWEET THAT THEY ARE COMING OUT 2H 2014!!!

    • bjm
    • 6 years ago

    Remember folks, Kaveri is not delayed.

      • chuckula
      • 6 years ago

      “An APU [s<]wizard[/s<] is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to." -- Rory the Red

    • UnfriendlyFire
    • 6 years ago

    When will TR’s Kaveri reviews come out?

      • Stickmansam
      • 6 years ago

      14th I’m guessing

        • Srsly_Bro
        • 6 years ago

        I predicted April 1st months ago. We’ll see who is right when April gets here.

      • Unknown-Error
      • 6 years ago

      After 08:00 EST Jan 14th, 2014

    • Voldenuit
    • 6 years ago

    AMD sets the record straight on how to pronounce APU.

    It’s “a poo”.

      • nanoflower
      • 6 years ago

      So they are going to be sold at Kwik-E-Mart next to the Slushies?

      • ronch
      • 6 years ago

      Sounds like “Asoooos”.

        • derFunkenstein
        • 6 years ago

        We LOVE your Asus.

        [url<]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq9B3evfu8s[/url<]

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