AMD teases new FX desktop chip

Looks like some new blood is coming to AMD’s FX processor line up (and yes, on the desktop this time). Roy Taylor, AMD’s VP of Global Channel Sales, tweeted this picture earlier today:

Unfortunately, the picture is too blurry to show the specs on the side of the box. Based on the included liquid cooler, though, I suspect this might be another one of those high-end FX-9000-series chips with 220W thermal envelopes.

Current members of that lineup ship sans cooler, while processors in the 125W FX-8000 series come with conventional heatsinks and fans. A new FX-9000 model with a bundled closed-loop liquid cooler could be pitched as an alternative to Intel’s new Devil’s Canyon processors. AMD likely won’t be able to match Intel’s power efficiency, though, since even the new Core i7-4790K has only an 88W TDP.

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    • south side sammy
    • 5 years ago

    this is it…………. [url<]http://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/renewed-FX-9590-still-5GHz[/url<]

      • NeelyCam
      • 5 years ago

      Ah. Centurion Refresh. Sort of like Haswell Refresh but [b<]MORE POWER!!![/b<]

    • juampa_valve_rde
    • 5 years ago

    Let them live, they need some PR to stay on the news and relevant, don’t forget that no AMD is worse than weak AMD, you all know very well what happens when intel gets lazy.

    FXs processors also are very decent on northern europe and canada where fossil fuels are being replaced by electric energy (from multiple sources), becoming commodities that can keep warm a room, provide lots o’fun overclocking the hell out and performance is just there (no top dog but neither a flop).

    Talking seriously, they will keep milking this cow, with the cost of a tapeout of a steamroller variant they probably will skip it (and excavator too) on am3+, releasing only APUs and Opterons.

      • Airmantharp
      • 5 years ago

      Intel *IS* lazy, from a performance perspective.

      They’ve been happily throwing that at efficiency, though, pushing their architecture to places that no competent AMD CPU will ever reach.

    • Welch
    • 5 years ago

    New flash!!! New AMD CPU to be waterproof and come with an IP67 certification, will compete with Samsung S5…….

    This is whats its come to, my making fun of AMD, sad days. I’m wondering if your right Cyril, that this is one of the new 220w TDP parts. Being Devils Canyon and that high of a TDP perhaps the water is suggesting the use of water cooling, or maybe its one of those high end CPUs that comes with a “water” or closed loop cooling systems, at a premium price of course.

    I just can’t get excited about AMD releases anymore, been disappointed too many times.

    • DarkMikaru
    • 5 years ago

    I’ll always be an AMD fan… not a Fan Boy. There is a difference. I also don’t live in the past, but it’s always fun to think back to when my lowly Athlon 1800+ @ just 1.53Ghz used to kill my friends overclocked P4 2.0Ghz (to 2.2) on 512MB Rambus in every benchmark imaginable. Those days are long gone but still relevant. And I think that is why it’s hard for us (PC Enthusiast) to let go. Let’s be honest, non of us want to see an Intel CPU only world. Where even $60 Pentium Editions start to fetch a ridiculous premium and for no other reason than “Where else you gonna get a shiny new x86 CPU from huh?” Followed by Evil Laugh.

    We’ve seen shimmers of brilliance from AMD as they continue to contribute to our favorite passion. From pushing Intel to improve its iGPU’s, to being the first to move the memory controller on chip via Hyper Transport. Or releasing the first dual core CPU to market, or making the first affordable quad cores…. The list is quite long if we put some thought into it.

    I guess my point is, I’m hoping this new product is something new and fresh or an improvement in some way. I’m not blinded by Intel’s superiority in chip making. Should a client NEED that added horsepower I have no problem recommending an i5 or i7. I’m just saying, I’m just glad to have an alternative and that they are still trying. Whether you like it or not…we need them. Because I don’t wanna live in an Intel Only world.

      • flip-mode
      • 5 years ago

      Just look at the roadmap for your answer. Neither Intel or AMD can simply pull a new chip out of their pocket on a whim. When a new chip comes, it doesn’t just launch as one single halo SKU either, but a whole new product line gets introduced. This is very uncomplicated.

        • DarkMikaru
        • 5 years ago

        Yeah, we know FM. I just found it interesting that there was no real news yet you know. Besides AM1 (which I’ll probably be building a new HTPC on later this year) and FM2+ before that, AM3 has been dead in the water for quiet some time now. It be nice to think that there may be a viable upgrade over my 8350 soon. Though to be honest, my 8350 will be plenty for me for years to come.

        A brotha can dream can’t he? Sure he can…

      • StuG
      • 5 years ago

      This….was a nice post.

        • DarkMikaru
        • 5 years ago

        Thanks. Just got tired of the AMD bashing. Just trying to remind everyone what computing is all about. The love of our craft.

          • ronch
          • 5 years ago

          This is the reason I love AMD. Yes, AMD keeps Intel from hogging the entire PC landscape. I’ve bashed AMD a few times but I just want them to do better and take the fight to the 800-pound gorilla.

      • 6GTX9
      • 5 years ago

      I’m with you here. The problem I see here is, this is just the FX 9590 being relaunched, not a wholly new CPU at all. It’s kind of disgusting in a way. No work was done to lower the sky high TDP.

      Let’s be honest, 220w is pretty darn high, even when compared to the more mainstream FX 8000 series, which sit around 125w. So in all honesty, just what were they thinking here? That consumers would somehow forget how much power this chip is consuming (or rather, wasting)?

      Even if they managed to lower the TDP to 150w, it would stand a somewhat better chance of leaving the shelves than leaving it as it is now.

      Just my lone opinion here, but AMD jumped the shark here, with the 9000 series. I’m still a fan, but I’m honest about my feelings in terms of their overall direction too. If they want to focus more on their APUs, that’s fine, just make them so everyone can use them with great success, like we can with Intel chips.

      Otherwise, I’m going to watch from afar, until they wake up and realize what they’ve done wrong with the enthusiast market. We want performance with a low power/ heat signature, not a seasonal space heater with sub par performance compared to the competition.

        • DarkMikaru
        • 5 years ago

        Very well said my friend. It pains me to see them continue to struggle to keep up with Intel. But that only depends on the day, let me explain. Going AMD, at least to me, has always been somewhat of a compromise that I’ve been willing to accept. I feel that going AMD, your still getting 70 to 80% of the performance for 70 to 80% of the cost. Which, is fair. You wouldn’t buy a Civic and be pissed that it doesn’t perform like the Jaguar F-Type up the street. So why would I be upset that my 8350 gives me roughly 80% of the performance of a comparable i5 / i7 setup. I’m quite happy with it.

        But as for the 220w monsters. I love AMD i do, but I just can’t do it. When they dropped the 9370 to 249 I almost jumped but quickly realized two things.

        1) I’d need to upgrade my board as my Biostar TA970 maxes at 140w TDP
        2) I briefly considered under-clocking it. But quickly realized i’d basically have an over priced 8350!

        So ultimately, my 8350 is the best buy for right now. Like you said, 220 Watts is pretty darn high. Though I would love to see the real usage as I can’t believe that it could actually pull that much power.

      • Arasinais
      • 5 years ago

      So basically you’re saying that, you’re an AMD fanboy.

    • Kretschmer
    • 5 years ago

    AND THE CROWD GOES….catatonic.

    • ronch
    • 5 years ago

    Late comment, I know, but I’m looking thorough Newegg’s FX-8350 page and I just realized that those folks who worked on the Bulldozer project were probably burned when the tech community took up their torches and paraded the streets wanting them to burn at the stake for Bulldozer’s less than stellar performance and energy efficiency. Those folks worked their a$$es off on the Bulldozer architecture, folks, which is AMD’s most difficult and most sophisticated project to date. Designing a CPU is extremely hard and it can be a thankless job. Anyway, despite the architecture’s weaknesses it seems the FX models we have today still greatly satisfy their owners. I think it deserves more credit than people give them. However, I don’t think these hot-clocked models do AMD any real favors and just make them look silly. If you want an FX, the FX-8350, -8320 and -6300 are the best FX models out there for the money.

      • Kretschmer
      • 5 years ago

      No product is owed a positive reception in the press, and AMD has not been competitive in the processor space for quite some time. People worked their asses off on RDRAM, the Zune, and Blackberry 10. We’re still going to point out their weaknesses.

    • USAFTW
    • 5 years ago

    I’m not aroused by this tease.

    • jdaven
    • 5 years ago

    You know maybe its an FX version of the Kaveri APU. Bascially two on the same die or package. That would mean an 8 core Kaveri with 1024 Stream processors. The clock might be increased as well.

    This would also save money on needed to make up to date chipsets (current FX uses the 900 series which has only PCIe 2.0).

      • tcubed
      • 5 years ago

      Nuh… ain’t gona happen it would be too big a package for fm2+ and am3+ doesn’t support igpus…. so no. I hope for a steamroller refresh for am3+ 4 modules at 4 ghz with more relaxed density would be able to clock way past kaveri probably 4.5 base with 5ghz turbo would be possible… but i suspect it won’t be this either but instead a 4.2 – 4.4 kaveri bin

    • Unknown-Error
    • 5 years ago

    The very top SKU is 6.1GHz @ 375W TDP, with a limited 1-year warranty.

    • Ashbringer
    • 5 years ago

    I hope those VRMs are cooled effectively. Those AMD FX chips tend to cook those VRM’s.

    • vargis14
    • 5 years ago

    I hope it is not another 220watt CPU. I hope they reworked the memory controller something fierce with ddr3and ddr4 support and instead of using a shared floating point core make each core have its own floating point core would make the chip perform great and AMD might as well make some crazy turbo scheme that will let up to 4 cores run at like 4.5ghz and have a base core speed around 4ghz. I think with the die shrink to 28nm should allow those clock speeds and enhancements keeping the TDP a more manageable 150watts even if adding 4 more floating point cores and enhancing the memory controller increases the transistor count from 1.2 billion to 1.5 billion it would still probably work out to be a smaller chip with the shrinky dink process:)

    Is that too much to ask ? It might perform so well it just might compete quite well with Intel’s mainstream quads and perhaps even the ivy-E and Haswell-E allowing AMD to charge $ 300-who knows depending on the performance they get from my patented idea:). Yeah right

      • sweatshopking
      • 5 years ago

      HHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAH. yes it’s too much to ask. IT’S AMD, FRIEND.

      • maxxcool
      • 5 years ago

      Nope. 99% likely a new spin on pile driver and its 8 fake cores

    • NeelyCam
    • 5 years ago

    [url=https://techreport.com/news/24953/amd-reveals-base-clock-power-rating-for-5ghz-cpu?post=738850<]Called it.[/url<]

    • LoneWolf15
    • 5 years ago

    220 WATTS?!?

    Meet my server’s Xeon E3-1265L v2 processor. 4 cores, 8 threads, 2.5-3.5GHz clock…

    45w TDP. Heck, I’m sure my i7-2600K running at 4.2GHz drains a heck of a lot less than that.

    I don’t want her, you can have her, she’s too hot for me. (and not in a good way).

      • vargis14
      • 5 years ago

      She will give you a nasty square shaped blister on your you know what. Let’s call it the German army helmet looking out the bushes of a hedgerow 🙂

    • geekl33tgamer
    • 5 years ago

    [quote<]AMD likely won't be able to match Intel's power efficiency.[/quote<] AMD decided they wanted to aim for 10Ghz* seeing as Intel realised it wasn't a good idea with Netburst. It's not like anyone cares about power and heat. Low TDP is so hipster to AMD and was last years fad. We need bigger numbers for the consumers, did you get that AMD? Big, MEGA numbers sell everything. 😀 *On turbo mode only, but we'll market it as this speed to the consumer so they think it's epic. There's lots of other big numbers too. We got loads of [s<]cores[/s<] modules so it must be a whole load of awesome, and it may also be able to split atoms - or at the very least heat your apartment.

    • mtruchado
    • 5 years ago

    am I the only one who hate these pics taken by cellphones??? they are so so so bad…

    • ronch
    • 5 years ago

    I’m sure this new FX model will run at LUDICROUS SPEED!!!

    • Laykun
    • 5 years ago

    Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.

    [url<]http://varsityheroes.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/broken-computer.jpg?w=500&h=501[/url<]

    • fhohj
    • 5 years ago

    [code<]Cheyenne Mountain Operations Room 00:18 ZULU[/code<] "Wait... what?! Major, report! Why wasn't I notified of this?!" "Hmm? Oh yes.. Sir! Ahem. Um, we already got advance warning from intel. It's just a false alarm, Sir. It's AMD, Sir. It's a DIY home computer built with this new 9 series chip AMD released." "Are you altogether there, Major?" "Yes, Sir. That's what it is, Sir. Report's right there from intel." "A thermal signature like that?" "Yeah.. I.. don't know. It's.. it's AMD, Sir."

    • crabjokeman
    • 5 years ago

    To tease someone with something, that person actually has to want it…

      • ronch
      • 5 years ago

      Damn right.

    • ronch
    • 5 years ago

    You know what would be cool? AMD could get creative and design the cooler such that the radiator is a round, flat device that can be used as a cup warmer next to the keyboard. At least we can enjoy a cup of hot brew while transcoding videos and burning 220 gigawatts!

      • mnecaise
      • 5 years ago

      Hmmm…. I may have to try that. running the liquid cooling loop through a cup warmer on my desk. Alternately use the energy to drive a chiller and cool my Coke. worth a look : )

    • ronch
    • 5 years ago

    Wish AMD would drop the ‘series’ part when referring to their chips. A-series, FX-series… Just say AMD A10 Processor or AMD FX Processor.

      • SetzerG
      • 5 years ago

      I wish they would stop trying to confuse the crap out of buyers. How is any consumer going to know the difference between AMD’s C Series, V Series, A Series, E Series, Z Series, Turion II, Athlon II, Athlon X2, Athlon II X2, Phenom II, Sempron, FX Series, Opteron, and every other AMD CPU. I know the whole point is to confuse consumers so they have no way to compare their processors with the competition, so I guess AMD is successful on that part?

    • Bensam123
    • 5 years ago

    Weird that they would still be pushing old Vishera when they have Kavari now… Like a desktop version of Kevari? Sure… Vishera, that’s pretty old school. If this is Kaveri, it may yield some excitement though.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 5 years ago

      It’d be splendid if this was somehow a 4-module Kaveri chip with APU graphics included, but if that was the case don’t you think a motherboard manufacturer would have posted an EFI update that gave its existence away by now? A 2-module unlocked Kaveri already has a name – A10-7850K, so I doubt it’d be in an “FX” box.

    • sschaem
    • 5 years ago

    This type of threads about anything AMD CPU related is really getting beyond lame…

    What happen to TR readership 🙁

      • maxxcool
      • 5 years ago

      It is because Intel fanbois love trashing the massive failures by amd… And most and fans are finally 3 generations later getting the picture that amd has failed terribly… Has abandoned them .. Has resorted to outright marketing be .. Failing to deliver quarter after quarter and continuing to devolve into the new VIA… The only IP WORTH SAVING… ISNT EVEN THIERS…

        • WaltC
        • 5 years ago

        Yea, never mind that *current* AMD FX cpus thrash i3’s & i5’s, while costing less…;) And never mind that Intel sells a ton more i3’s and i5’s than it does i7’s. And of course, the idiot Intel fanboi assumption that *nobody* ever buys an i3/i5 in the first place, so they don’t really exist and aren’t therefore suitable topics for discussion. And never mind that in the 3d gpu arena, Intel isn’t even competitive in terms of performance–but, most Intel fanbois are in denial about that, too–thinking that nobody ever buys the incredibly weak Intel HD gpu series–but game forums everywhere are full of people who say otherwise, who are having very disappointing experiences with that particular Intel technology.

        Basically, Intel fanbois can understand why people buy cheap Intel stuff–like Intel IGPs–but that cheap AMD stuff is just “terrible” and it is “massively failing”…;) Lol…;) They’ve been humming the “AMD is going broke soon” theme song since the early 90’s. Seems like they’d tire of continuously forecasting something that isn’t going to happen.

        And of course, the biggest fantasy of all…that because AMD is roughly 1/10th the size of Intel it means nothing good ever comes out of AMD…and, then there’s the fantasy that AMD did not actually buy ATi and so the ATi “IP” “ISN”T EVEN THEIRS”….that’s fairly classic for Intel-fanboi delusion. Yep, it’s 100% “theirs,” no doubt about it. (Boy that gets ’em right “here”, know what I mean?–they *can’t stand* having to give AMD props for anything.)

        I actually don’t mind it when ignorant people trash AMD, because most of them can’t help it…;) (I think it’s hereditary.) And I don’t mind reading whatever TR or any other site I frequent wants to publish in the way of Intel product news–not one bit–even if I’m still waiting on Intel to make something sufficiently interesting so as to lure me back from AMD–where I’ve been since 1999.

          • tcubed
          • 5 years ago

          Oh come on… amd rant is waranted on some topics. The 9 series are one of them. Sure they have some mighty interesting products for midrange and now for mobile too. But they don’t have a high end contender and these kids are only aroused by numbers of hardware they will never buy or use. Same guys rooting for nvidia’s titanz are also rooting for a i9 or whatever intel’s next high end will be… forgetting that intel rips off most guys with the i3s and i5s most of the time. Forgetting that intel is a 3bn$ fined company -more then amd’s market cap- that cheated and bribed its way back to the top… but hey you can’t expect everybody to be educated and have good moral values… somebody needs to buy all the overpriced s*** in the world. The global ecconomy relies on these guys so shush!!

          • maxxcool
          • 5 years ago

          Given that quad core i5 gives Amd swirlies, and for the price 20$ more gets you said quad core i5 your argument is moot.

          As for IP .. AMD will go full third party CPU… Or will spin off and sell the CPU buisness and keep amd branding for ati’s GPUs.. Just embrace it.

          Now to address the fanboi remark.. You are a idiot. I have 3 thuban workstations and full VMware lab with more amd gear as I have stated many, if not DOZENS times here in comments. Hell it is my favorite anti-Pilderiver anti-steamroller argument that my 4ghz thuban is BETTER than any current amd part for the cost. So I’m a fanboi of chips that work.. That’s all.. and BD, PD, SR are not good at all and are inferior in every way right up to the now awful tdp.

          Now that amd has -0- usable hardware for the cost the labs and workstations will transition from amd to Intel for a massive performance increase at very little cost to me.

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            The quad core i5 is a crap chip that actually needs an extra dedicated gpu to run anything past office and aero. Yeah the single core ipc is way better… so?? Your spreadsheets will compute a formula with a huge delay of 0.5… microseconds … wow… i bet every single excel user will have a problem with that no doubt about it!! Everything nowadays is accelerated some way or another by gpus. From the aero interface to browsers to players to adobe or open office… i5’s are for regular joes for day 2 day operations not server farms not ultra dense not db servers or anything “pro”. Now the i5 is a gread cpu but a painfull gpu. So unless you do all day long just video transcoding on cpu since some do work with the gpu nowadays… you will buy a massivelly uneven and overpriced chip and when you will want to fire up a game you will quickly rush to buy a dgpu…

            Guess what… with a kaveri you don’t need to. And i should know cause i have one.

            As to amd selling off cpu you got to be high on weed or totally disconnected… amd’s main money still comes from cpu like 70% or so. Also saying that amd’s entire chip line is trash because you have a thuban that has a much more primitive arch and instruction set works better for your case well good for you… for me kaveri is the most well rounded chip i ever used surclassed only by the iris pro i7 variants that are also some very well rounded chips… point is you don’t get iris pro on i3 or i5 and you probably never will as that gpu is ginormous… just look at the diesizes.

            So you don’t want to upgrade since there is no better chip then the 6core thuban? Well on pure cpu side you are partly right … the single core old code yeah… multicore newer code unlikelly. Does amd need to come up with something that would have put thuban 8 core to shame? Well yes they do… can they do it? Well yes they can but it would take 6 modules to do it since bd modules have a 70% efficiency compared to thuban (which was stated in early amd reports before bd was launched btw.) Will they do it? I’ll answer with a question: is it economically viable will you and guys like you buy sufficient such chips to matter for amd?

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            Ahahahaha…
            1-MS office is not opencl accelerated, so 90% of the planets users loose any benefit from KEV,
            2-Windows is not opencl accelerated so again, no kev benefit.
            3-Drive i/o, not KEV accelerated
            4-network i/o, not KEV accelerated
            5-web broswers are opencl compliant… but even the hd4000 intel part is “as amd would say.. good enough”, so no KEV benifit
            6-rendering is opencl accelerated, and KEV looses to a rig designed FOR rendering with discrete graphics because who will have embedded gpu’s only for a dedicated render rig ?
            7-downloading things, not KEV accerlated
            8-playing movies, kev accelerated, but who cares.. intel hd4000 from 6 years ago plays 60fps 1080p
            9-KEV is good at cryptography .. but i don’t spend all day encoding for the NSA

            As for overpriced.. it is 20$ more … um … that’s less than a movie .. 🙂

            And if were talking about “work” well then a intel dual core is the chip of choice since the egpu is “good enough, amd’s catch phrase for BD,PD and SR” .. and NOW there is a unlocked Pentium to boot! yah!

            20$ gets you the widest support for compilers, the widest support for development, the widest support for target market and the highest return purchase rate.

            Amd was great, bd,pd,sr .. not at all. For 20$ more you will see much better performance over all on the 90% of the software that everyone uses that is NOT opencl accelerated.

            So to use your page.. “unless your browsing the web for a living, or running benchmarks.” every day uses go to intel every time. Nobody is coding for HSA so long as openCL,direct compute and ogl-direct compute continues to live.. not worth the cost.

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            And to head of your linux reply … I pre-retort : sub 2% market

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            And to head of the OO barrage, your the third person I can say uses open office… (I use it, so you are 1 of 2 other people) 😉

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            You.. do… realise… well uhm… windows … uhm… aero is hardware accelerated… don’t you? Did i say excel… uhm is opencl accelerated or accelerated at all?? I kinda think i said the oposite.

            Also all that you enumerated are microtasks… any cpu from this decade will more then sufice… so uhm why pay the extra 20 again? To pay 70-120 more on a dgpu just to play plants vs zombies fluently?? Hmm.. roesn’t make much sense now does it?

            I got my lqveri for 160$ together with bf4… so i paid like what 120-130$ for it? Can i play bf4 ? Yeah. Can i play bioshock infinite ? Yeah. Does your thuban, a i5 or an i7 (less then 300$) do the same? Well… no.

            And since when does a cpu contribute notably to downloads? Or why is video playback relevant?

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            Mobile.. Not typing a lot this time.

            Aero = inte4000 HD just fine for 6 yr old GPU..

            You said spreadsheets 95% world uses office

            Open office is open cl accelerated.. But who but you me and one other might see the use in my massive log and data correlations

            20$ gets you a massive subsystem boost

            And while I hit on the subsystem .. Amd USB is horrendous as well as the internal raid

            As to games. Amd 7850 vs Pentium devils canyon + nv740 or equiv amdgpu = ass beating over kevari for 30$ maybe 40$ for shipping one more part.

            So. Your counter arguments can be completely offset by 30$ for a much better overall exp.

            If this were a completely closed ITX or mini ITX box I would buy AMD .. But as soon as I have a free pcie slot I will go Intel + amd GPU every time for a pittance more cash for VAST improvements across the board

            Argue more tomorrow.. Cheers

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            Vast improvemnts… you mean 30% -40% in ipc single core and 20-30% in multicore benchmarks… no normal user will ever notice … no way “system wide” and raid and everything else is not horrendous they have limitations that no ordinary user would ever hit.

            If you want system wide improvements get a ssd with a kaveri and windows 8.1 you will love it!

            • Airmantharp
            • 5 years ago

            I have just one question for you:

            How much is AMD paying you? You’re definitely not worth it.

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            LOL… i was wondering the same thing… zero posts until “recently”…

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            So if I’m new (few months to 1 year old) on this forum I must be paid to do it… yeah.. logic thy has not! If I’m sustaining anything else but your conviction I’m paid by the opposing company… And you call yourselves democrats/liberals… sounds more like communists to me: The one true way! geez…

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            aaahahahahahahahahah …. wow… just … wow….

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            My reaction too when I read 90% of these comments… but I don’t waste my time actually typing it down…

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            You are still typing ..

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            Well I’m certainly paid more then your momma gives you to buy overpriced hardware… but here’s the crux… I don’t whine for my money on forums like you probably need to do to feel good about your decisions that you most likely made by being both uneducated and uninformed. At least I have loads of systems I have built under my belt (100+ both intel and amd both ati/amd or nvidia even some spark and powers, laptops desktops servers workstations you name it) and talk from experience and now I got a little spare time to waste on sites like these… what’s your excuse for this idiotic comment of yours?

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            Ok now I know your ”working here” .. that’s absurd if you can’t see and feel the difference in basic operation with KEV vs a “garnage” 3.5ghz I5. Eventually that river will run dry in the next 2 years and you will need to work for another product.

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            Ok I’ll try to respond as idiotic as your post… Intel needs a bigger iGPU(except the cache) with a 128MB of cache to have a leg up on AMD. Just keep buying intel your wallet will eventually dry out cause you and every other intel buyer pays shares of the 3BN$ fines/settlements intel was awarded lately.

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            /snort/ resorting to politics means this convo is over. regardless your not convincing anyone, and your not going to change your position or mine.

            the techreport reviews, andantech reviews are all we need to see where this is going.

            • Airmantharp
            • 5 years ago

            Intel will keep delivering what consumers want, because they are truly threatened by the prospect of ARM overtaking their desktop marketshare. Intel has been keenly aware that faster processors do not sell, but rather that more efficient processors sell, and they’re in a race with ARM to provide that ‘middle ground’ solution where utility is maximized through a balance of processing power and efficient battery usage, and of course price.

            AMD has no dog in this fight because they’ve run their R&D department so exceedingly stupidly, whereas Intel’s investments continue to pay off. AMD is the architect of their own demise, and we only hold against them what they’ve brought onto themselves.

        • Deanjo
        • 5 years ago

        [quote<]It is because Intel fanbois love trashing the massive failures by amd...[/quote<] More like AMD fans tired of AMD failing to be competitive anymore.

          • tcubed
          • 5 years ago

          Failing to compete in high end low margin huh? Newsflash: AMD doesn’t have the money to burn on such chips and unless it saves it’s bottom it’s head will be choped off if you get my drift. The idea is AMD gladly takes one for the proverbial team till its finances are better since it doesn’t want to infuriate intel since intel has the higher ground and the better weapon atm. It will wait for intel to get dull and quietly move to higher grownd then strike with a MUCH bigger weapon back… that is if intel has a too big of an ego to see that winter is coming and doesn’t get prepared in time… we’ll see, winter is prognozed for 2015-2016 so not much wait left

            • hansmuff
            • 5 years ago

            That has been said so many times in the past that it’s gotten dull and meaningless. AMD bet on multi-core over single core performance and it was a gamble they lost, and with that years of promises. They make good chips for the respective application, but their performance lacks in gaming, for one, and people care about that.
            They are NOW close to the performance level of a 2600K, not even there yet in games, and that chip is ancient. I bought mine at release for $330, that’s 3 1/2 years ago, and enjoyed that performance for all that time. No, in terms of performance/$ over time, AMD is still laughable.

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            Well yeah i know it was a stupid and too forward looking design without proper aoftware support… the chip is in the right direction but they should have ensured at least ipc parity with thuban per core before moving away from it and that for marketing reasons not anything else since in games you don’t see 60fps but 55 instead and the world goes crazy. Yeah games are gpu limited and with proper frame timing 25+ frames will seem perfectly smooth for 99.99 % of the gamers. The framepacing problem has been solved now you don’t need 200 fps to be certain it’s smooth… heck most users have 30hz monitors so anything beyond that is waste.

            Amd’s pr and marketing failed to explain what’s going on and what decisions have been made but instead they went for an all out fx branding, high frequencies and high expectations build up… with no software support this catastrophy was bound to happen. Now calling a chip a failure based on that is just nuts… but this is what can be immediatelly understood by people and that’s what propagated. The chip itself is a step in the right direction but they oversold it. If amd’s pr would have said… guys sorry but ipc is going to be much lower since we try to build a new thing here and not use the fx brand for it but instead go for middle of the market launch and place it like that while improve thuban for the gamer section till excavator nobody would have lost their minds…

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            If you are holding your breath for the rumored new high end CPU you will be disappointed. You still have to endure excavator, the last of this Ill thought CPU line 1st unless amd does the smart thing and cancels excavator and throws all in before selling the CPU division off… or starts buying fully designed third party CPUs from someone else.

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            Superficial… get educated and stop believing all the propaganda bs. The problems you see here being discussed in the comments and also in the articles are just editorial stuff. Amd had a real problem with bd… i dare you to find it. The rest is nothing but bad pr and marketing nothing more. That is why they canned almost the entire department.

            Listen… read my lips: AMD will NEVER sell it’s chip division and outsource main chip design not anytime soon anyway. The news you read about the chipset is inline with exactly this: they want to get the chip design team more focused on the big chips they build because now they are spread quite thin. If you want to sell off a division you don’t reduce proprietary ip… you buy some more to sell it bigger. Got it now?

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            So your calling TR, anand, Hocp, toms, extremeoc liars then ? ok, check.

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            Where exactly did I ever say that?? Reread, retry understanding and make your research and find out the real problem with the initial installment of BD? The problems all those have outlined are just a question of market positioning. Think of it what if the 9590 would have been marketed as a mid-high end not absolute high end and push everything else to mid market?? What if the modules would have been marketed as cores with 2 threads? Eventually as silent launch? What would the perception have been in such a case??

            Does it now sink in? Ok now go find out what was the real problem with BD! A problem AMD covered up btw!

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            “”Think of it what if the 9590 would have been marketed as a mid-high end not absolute high end and push everything else to mid market??””

            At 220watts + .. they would STILL be laughed at and called the amd-netburst-prescott.. except prescott never got that hot… and a 220watt 5.5+ghz intel chip would bend every chip amd has ever made over a barrel.

            “”What if the modules would have been marketed as cores with 2 threads?””

            People would still call the cores fake. until you can execute (without avx) 8-16 fpu ops per cycle.. you are a four core cpu for all floating point intensive math. right now with the current arch` this generation of amd fpus greatly hinders execution rates, slowing down pipes. slowing down decoders and slowing down the IPC rate to a nearly laughable degree.

            “”Ok now go find out what was the real problem with BD! “”

            Modules. done. More specially, modules that cannot simultaneously execute instructions per cycle on call integer modules AND fpu units at the same time… meaning it is really a quad core part .. which is why it is a draw to compare a discontinued 3 year old 3.5ghz ivy bridge to a 8350…

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            useless talking to you is useless… /end

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            You are not changing my mind, anands mind, tr’s mins, hoc’s mind, extreme-os’s mind, hothardwares mind, toms mind or most readers. this architecture is abysmal. nobody is coding for it.

            AMD/ATI has a history of doing this.. they did it with the 3-stage ati-7000 that no-one coded fore
            dual module cpus that not even the os recognized, and even when coded for had a abysmal miss rate, now were up to SR, and the “fix” …. stop having separate modules resources ..(facepalm) omg you idiots… excavator “if” it sees the light of day will have less core integration and if there smart 8 separate fpus even if they are only 128 bit.

            now were onto HSA, despite having direct-compute, Ogl’s version of direct compute, androids direct compute (ogl modified), apples opencl, opencl for windows and blackberry. /shakes head/

            Add to that mantle which ships and is usable on all of 3? games RIGHT NOW ? (nobody counts “announcements and unreleased code) when the wintel brigade is set to drop dx-12 which was under development BEFORE mantle was stillborn.

            As a die hard fan of the phenom II this current cpu line is atrocious, horrid and inefficient. for balls sake the apus now when measured at the wall draw more wattage at load then comparative i3’s… (double facepalm)

            more power draw
            less ipc
            software nobody is coding: weird modules not even linux can use properly, the whole mantle debacle (maybe steam will be a success ?), hsa which is still closed source 1.5 years later.. and still in beta fighting for its life VS opencl and direct-compute.
            prices that are no longer substantially cheaper than intel

            why ? why buy one at all …

            I as the average consumer .. see no value outside a HTPC, or a web box.

      • PixelArmy
      • 5 years ago

      AMD has always been given the benefit of the doubt around here. The TR readership has been taken for granted in return.

      What you see now is the readership waking up.

    • Krogoth
    • 5 years ago

    Not impressed

    • BaronMatrix
    • 5 years ago

    It woudl be great if their 28nm process was SOI… It would be simple to shrink FX… But then Kaveri is an FX so they can make them on bulk…

    If they did shrink FX I’d say the 9950 would drop closer to 125W…

      • NeelyCam
      • 5 years ago

      In what world does shrinking from 32nm SOI to 28nm (SOI or not) result in 220W->125W power consumption reduction?

      Do you have anything scientific to back that up? Or are you just fanboying..?

        • chuckula
        • 5 years ago

        Baron won a Nobel Prize for his ground-breaking research on placing CPUs in direct contact with supercharged Styrofoam.

        • UnfriendlyFire
        • 5 years ago

        In fact, using the 28nm process that Kaveri is on would actually INCREASE the power consumption at 5 GHz rate, because the process is optimized for lower clock rates.

        There’s a reason why Kaveri desktops had their clock rates dropped, and Kaveri mobile had increased clock rates over Richland.

    • just brew it!
    • 5 years ago

    Any word on what socket this uses?

    If it is an APU refresh, then meh.

    If it is an AM3 refresh (or even halo product), then it could be mildly interesting, especially if it means a price drop on the existing 8000-series parts.

    If it is a new socket/platform (rather unlikely IMO) then this could actually have something behind it.

    • kamikaziechameleon
    • 5 years ago

    I want this to matter but AMD pulled their plans to have a competitive desktop option for gamers a while ago. I know this is really just to drum up some press but I don’t imagine it will change anything.

      • just brew it!
      • 5 years ago

      Although a significant percentage of TR’s readership are indeed gamers, there are other use cases. If this gets them back to being a clear win in *any* market segment (workstation workloads that can take advantage of many cores, maybe?) it would be a significant achievement.

      • BaronMatrix
      • 5 years ago

      Actually they just realized that there isn’t as much growth in the highend, but huge growth in low power chips…

      And being up against a criminal monopolist doesn’t help… My home AMD machines still perform better than my office Intel machines…

      Disclaimer: I don’t run clean machine benchmarks…

    • NeelyCam
    • 5 years ago

    Note the trolls behind the keyboard -> he’s just trolling.

    • christos_thski
    • 5 years ago

    220W thermal envelopes, seriously? That’s even worse than the absolute worst of the Pentium 4s. Are they running for some kind of Guinness record? Worst thermal properties ever? Most hated by Greenpeace?

    Can we somehow get creative with these? Rig them to our heating systems in the winter? Or use them for barbecues in the summer?

    • peaceandflowers
    • 5 years ago

    Probably just a frequency bump within an existing power envelope. Not really to be a called a new chip, in my opinion.

    If they had actually designed a new chip, using a newer BD variant, we’d already know.

    • jdaven
    • 5 years ago

    Excavator on 20 nm..FTW!

      • derFunkenstein
      • 5 years ago

      Steamroller on 28nm might have been enough to make it worth looking at AMD again, but they cancelled that stuff, and probably couldn’t get enough dies if the Kaveri situation is any indicator.

        • tcubed
        • 5 years ago

        I would actually be pissed if this is another 32nm refresh… really 8 steamrollers on 28nm running at 4.5/5 ghz would give intel a run for it’s money… loosing ultimatelly i think but loosing honorably at least! I would imagine such a chip with a 140W tdp… if it is vishera all over again it will be a joke!!

      • maxxcool
      • 5 years ago

      Sure.. in 2016..

        • Phartindust
        • 5 years ago

        Actually it’ll be 14nm I believe by then.

          • ronch
          • 5 years ago

          Time to place your bets.

          • maxxcool
          • 5 years ago

          Yeah.. For Arm, a year after Intel… Amd will never see 14 nm. The GPU division will be sold off or spun off and the CPU will all be third party designed .. Or sold to Samsung or Qualcomm… Maybe even nvidia

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            Dreamer – $ntel ft. Fanb0yZ

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            AMD said so themselves that 16nm , not even 14nm by LATE 2016.
            [url<]http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/34557-amd-talks-20nm-finfet-16nm-14nm-future[/url<]

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            if history is any indicator 16nm glofo will be denser then 14nm intel… since 28nm tsmc/glofo is denser then 22nm intel… So I fully expect 20nm TSMC/GLOFO to be as dense as 14nm Intel or even more dense and 16nm finfet will be even denser… density means how economical a chip is btw so you can understand what’s going on:

            Kaveri: 245mm2 die with 2.41B transistors = 9.8M trasistors / mm^2
            Haswell(with the HD4600): 177mm2 die with 1.4B transistors = 7.9m transistors / mm^2
            The Haswell with the HD5300 is 260+ 90 mm^2 and beyond being big and expensive it’s also … big and expensive… lol

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            And since My original statement still stands. /end/

            *AMD will not have 16nm before 2016* as outlined by AMD itself.

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            Yeah because they don’t need to, from a die economics perspective… the die economics are in their favor as you can clearly see. Not only is the 22nm finfet process expensive for intel … it’s also much less dense so a double hit. If they do this same with 14nm and it really does look like it it will be even more expensive while not being that much denser so another hit. AMD is well on the way with 20nm for 2015 if history is any indication the 20nm process will be much denser then the 14nm intel… but and this is the crux… much cheaper! Why do you think AMD maintains a 35-40% margin even though it is pummeled by Intel and has loads of competition from Nvidia and has built the thin margin consoles chips.

            So… Your statement was that by then AMD won’t even exist anymore and the GPU division would be sold off… I highly doubt that instead what I think will happen is that AMD will become Samsungs little biatch and design chips for them specifically while Samsung will probably take over GloFo and pump money into it or absorb it and be done with it. Imagine Galaxy S7-S8 or note 5-6 with a 20nm 4 Excavator cores @ 2-3ghz chip with 500+ GCN2 stream processors – Do you think AMD would still need to compete with intel in desktops ???

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            I do believe that i was the one who said AMD would sell its cpu biz to samsung or qualcomm in the last week more than once. So in that we agree.

            The issue is Intel can make the process pay off for finfet by simple volume. Something glofo is terrible at and why TSMC has begun to eat into their production

            Besides AMD is going FINTFET so their in the same boat as intel.

            [url<]http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20131017231002_AMD_to_Tape_Out_First_20nm_14nm_FinFET_Chips_Within_Next_Two_Quarters.html[/url<]

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            They can’t sell the cpu biz… Samsung would lose the x86 licence in such a move. I’m quite sure they will buy GloFo and use AMD as a pet design house and as long as Intel kicks about AMD will exist the day Intel cans x86 or goes out of business AMD will evaporate at least as a stand alone name. With Samsungs money and exposure AMD would more then have enough volume and marketing to never worry a day in their lives ever again.

            With the finfets, yeah they move to that but they will do it differently (I think I remember they will use some sort of different geometry) plus they will do it on a node it makes sense, 14nm. They taped it out and didn’t feel the urge of jumping… something tells me the results were not that stellar – same thing with Intel they’re sitting on 14nm since what 2-3 years now? no launch… probably same issue they don’t feel the urge to pay that kind of premium for that little performance/density uplift. What I think is the future is this:

            [url<]http://electroiq.com/blog/2013/12/amd-and-hynix-announce-joint-development-of-hbm-memory-stacks/[/url<] And not just for memory stacked dies... but memory is always the first.

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            Well see what happens, but AMD cannot continue as is. Too many costs to keep up with intel in cpu design. So I fully expect third party CPU designs to take over.

            Will it be a Samsung\qualcomm ?? dunno ..

            Will they jointly develop cpus ? I doubt it, *when* amd gets the itch to ditch making cpus we will have to see, but my money is a full sale of some kind and a full exit from ”making or designing cpus…”

            As I am not a patent lawyer. I have noooo idea how that plays out but it will involve AMD keeping the ATi IP, brand and logos for graphics. But not the cpu…

            This third party chipset business is only a first step. If that “reorg” does not stem or help the cash issue and R&D issues the CPU is the next to go.

            • Airmantharp
            • 5 years ago

            Actually they *can* sell the CPU biz, it’s just that the buyer will have to negotiate with Intel for the x86 license; which Intel will still be inclined to do, because they get broken up if they don’t have a ‘credible’ competitor in that space.

            Of course, if ARM moves legitimately to the desktop and server space, where it already has inroads, regulators may just let AMD die and x86 competition die with them. And that won’t be a bad thing, as it’ll be up to Intel to keep x86 competitive.

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            Yes they can theoretically sell it but it would not have any value as all the crosslicencing agreements amd fought for for thw last 30+ years would go down the drain. Most clauses are really good for AMD even better since AMD64 but all these would evaporate and intel will claim or pump up via as a competitor for x86 and arm for the mobile market that is volume wise much bigger so it has a counter argument for any antitrust claims. So the new company will need to start some very difficult negociations with a hardened and entrenched adversary… they would probably get a deal but a very very bad one and they would need to fight for every clause just like amd did in countless trials… it would be such a mess… and besides it would take years to strike a deal then you need to start designing the chip after a huge pause or strike temporary deal that’s even worse. Intel will fight again for each inch dragging each clause tgrough countless other trials… i tell you it is so complicated no sain corporation would willingly go through it.

            As to letting AMD die you say it as if the US government pumps money into it or there is a rescue package active for it to “keep” it alive. AMD is standing on its own 2 feet despite it all and even though your concern is hearthwarming it’s idiotic. AMD has exited the red for a few quarters now and the margins have stqrted to increase again even with the paperthin consoles margin… it’s management is quite capable as of late and many important techies have returned to AMD not to mention the high profile clients and alliances they have attracted… so please be sorry for somebody else… AMD is not going anywhere… to everybody’s desperation it seems on this site…

    • Arclight
    • 5 years ago

    To me it seems odd to keep pushing the speed when they obviously can’t reach a high enough speed to compete. Imo, after the 8000 series they should have concentrated on launching CPUs with double the module count. A CPU with 8 modules/16 threads running between 3 and 3.5 GHz could have actually been interesting.

      • chuckula
      • 5 years ago

      The issue there is economics: 8 modules means either double the size of the die (and suffer major yield and cost issues) or slap dice together, which they have done in the server market. However, that also drives up the price and requires a much larger & more expensive socket to work.

        • ronch
        • 5 years ago

        Well, considering the launch price of the 9590 was $800 or so, it woild still be more profitable than selling the 8350 for $190. But you’re right, putting two Vishera dies on the AM3 package is a bit of a stretch. That’s why AMD uses Socket G34 for their 16-core Opterons.

      • maxxcool
      • 5 years ago

      Not possible for consumer grade.. *unless* they plan on FX-izing Sever chips.. then we could see 16core systems but the motherboards would be 300+$ base price.

        • WulfTheSaxon
        • 5 years ago

        That seems to work for Intel.

      • Bensam123
      • 5 years ago

      Yup bro, already talked about this like two years ago. I’m pretty sure they don’t want to canibalize their server sales, although I’m not sure how much of that they have left after Intel ran away with the server market anyway (which was one of my original points).

      Maybe their bit they have left is too juicy to give up?

      • Kretschmer
      • 5 years ago

      If by “interesting” you mean “useless or worse than current FX chips in all but massively-parallel workloads” then yes!

    • Neutronbeam
    • 5 years ago

    So the liquid hitting the chip on the box shot means that it’s liquid cooled? Well, kinda some points for artistically indicating it’s a hot chip.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 5 years ago

      If they zoomed out, it’s actually a poorly-drawn Calvin with an Intel shirt peeing on it.

        • jessterman21
        • 5 years ago

        I wish I could upvote this twice.

          • JustAnEngineer
          • 5 years ago

          For [url=https://techreport.com/subscriptions.x<]$47[/url<], you could.

          • derFunkenstein
          • 5 years ago

          It’s very rare that I’m funny.

      • swaaye
      • 5 years ago

      The box also says “with liquid cooling system”. 🙂

        • nanoflower
        • 5 years ago

        Guess we know how hot this chip is going to get under load.

      • Deanjo
      • 5 years ago

      Maybe it’s aftershave?

        • maxxcool
        • 5 years ago

        Nice.. 😉

        • Meadows
        • 5 years ago

        But what would it smell like?

          • ronch
          • 5 years ago

          I don’t know what it would smell like, but a shaved AMD CPU would look like an Intel CPU (no more prickly pins).

            • Deanjo
            • 5 years ago

            It’s the new preferred way of lapping a CPU.

      • ronch
      • 5 years ago

      No, it’s the water they throw at the chip after it catches fire.

    • Symmetry
    • 5 years ago

    Well we’ve already got Steamroller APUs, it’s about time it came to the FX line.

      • maxxcool
      • 5 years ago

      No steamroller here. I can bet $$ on that. this will be more improved halo products…

        • ronch
        • 5 years ago

        Improved? Oh sure. It’s the world’s first 5.1GHz x86 CPU (when Turbo kicks in, that is).

    • Chrispy_
    • 5 years ago

    Can it beat a run-of-the-mill stock i5 in an overall battery of the top ten most popular applications on the planet?

    No?
    Then please give me a reason to buy this hot-running, power-guzzling swansong of an abandoned architecture on an abandoned platform. Well – perhaps not abandoned, just [i<]ignored[/i<] for three years.

      • maxxcool
      • 5 years ago

      To keep your cats warm..

      • ptsant
      • 5 years ago

      [quote<] Can it beat a run-of-the-mill stock i5 in an overall battery of the top ten most popular applications on the planet? [/quote<] How about you have a look at this quick comparison between the i5-4670K and the FX8350: [url<]http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=837[/url<] Now, the FX chip is faster in some (mostly well-threaded) applications, slower in others. It is probably much slower in older games and more competitive in well-threaded modern games. Overall, I wouldn't be so fast to call the 4670K a clear victory in absolute performance. Yes, we all know that the FX is much hotter. But it is also much older and costs ~15% less than the i5 where I live (haven't bothered to look US prices: 194 CHF vs 228 CHF precisely). In the end, nobody is going to lose sleep over this announcement, but it could represent a decent upgrade path for owners of AM3+ systems, who have been feeling a little abandoned lately.

      • UnfriendlyFire
      • 5 years ago

      Well, if you wanted to do audio processing, video editing AND gaming at the same time, or running a game that properly supports 8 cores, the Piledriver FX would have a chance.

      It’s still going to consume more power though.

    • UnfriendlyFire
    • 5 years ago

    I’m pretty sure this is a Piledriver refresh.

    • Deanjo
    • 5 years ago

    Does it come with the Mr Fusion power supply?

      • ronch
      • 5 years ago

      Hope it doesn’t end up like Fukushima.

      • Geonerd
      • 5 years ago

      Unless you’re running a cpu based distributed computing program 24/7, the ‘massive’ power requirements of most AMD chips is a complete non-issue.

        • auxy
        • 5 years ago

        Why are you getting downthumbed for this? You’re right.

        Of course, the inferior CPU performance and pathetically poor memory performance are other concerns…

      • Krogoth
      • 5 years ago

      Slessh, power consumption isn’t that bad. It is certainly a major weakness against competitors especially in portable platforms.

        • Deanjo
        • 5 years ago

        Only more than double the consumption, nearly three times when you factor in performance per watt.

          • Krogoth
          • 5 years ago

          Look again, it is much closer than that.

          Interesting enough, Haswell generation actually consumes more power at idle than its Ivy Bridge predecessors. It is only easier on power when loaded. The difference in loaded power consumption between Piledivers and Haswell is about 50-80% depending on the application in question. Pilldiver and Bulldozer chips have nothing on Netburst-era stuff.

            • jihadjoe
            • 5 years ago

            Yeah sure. The hottest Prescott, the Pentium 4 EE 3.73 was only 115W.

            [url<]http://ark.intel.com/products/27492/Pentium-4-Processor-Extreme-Edition-supporting-HT-Technology-3_73-GHz-2M-Cache-1066-MHz-FSB[/url<] The hottest Pentium D, the Presler XE was 130W. [url<]http://ark.intel.com/products/27615/Intel-Pentium-Processor-Extreme-Edition-965-4M-Cache-3_73-GHz-1066-MHz-FSB[/url<] If we consider the difference between the top Athlon 64 and the top Pentium 4, it was 105W for Sandiego FX vs 115W for Prescot EE; or 115W for Windsor FX/BE vs 130W for Presler XE. Now compare that to 88W Haswell vs 220W FX-9000. Netburst-era stuff has NOTHING on Piledriver and Bulldozer.

            • Krogoth
            • 5 years ago

            You get it wrong, the hottest P4 was the 3.2Ghz Smithfields (two Prescott dies on a single Socket 775 package). They were known to have significant throttling issues if you didn’t have higher-end aftermarketing CPU cooler. The Presters were cooler since use two Cedar Hill dies, but they couldn’t compete against Manchester (A64 X2 512KB) and Toledos (A64 X2 1MB) that AMD was fielding back in the day. The thermal issues were so problematic that Intel made a new form factor to accommodate for it, BTX.

            BTX died because the new generation Core 2 didn’t need it and tracing distance between CPU and memory slots made integrated memory controllers on the CPU practically impossible. The latter reason is why AMD didn’t adopt BTX and Intel wanted to throw the memory controller onto Nehalem.

            The Phenom I (Barcelona) managed to be toaster than most of the Bulldozer and Pivediver line-up. I have read and heard countless horror stories of chips at stock killing Socket AM2+ motherboards.

            • jihadjoe
            • 5 years ago

            My bad then, and yes the Pentium D 840 did have a 130W TDP, which is about the same as Bulldozer or Sandy Bridge-E.

            Either way my point was the TDPs weren’t exactly out of control. The main reason Prescotts ran hot was because Intel supplied them with tiny heatsinks and small fans that were nowhere near up to the task of cooling a 100W+ processor.

            IIRC the “best” solutions would consist of someone putting on a very loud 6000rpm Delta fan on top of a slightly bigger, but still small HSF (compared to a modern tower cooler). FX-9000 is still much hotter than those old Prescotts, and still has a much bigger TDP delta to its closest competitor.

            • Deanjo
            • 5 years ago

            [url<]http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5135/21/amd-fx-9590-and-fx-9370-review-amds-return-to-the-high-end-market-energy-consumption-idle[/url<] 3770K vs FX-9590 45.6 watts idle vs 72 watts idle [url<]http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5135/19/amd-fx-9590-and-fx-9370-review-amds-return-to-the-high-end-market-energy-consumption-cinebench-115-max[/url<] 3770K vs FX-9590 104 Watts vs 318 Watts under load And that's with Ivy Bridge, not even Haswell

            • Krogoth
            • 5 years ago

            Holy cherry picking batman.

            You are throwing a factory overclocked chip against a normal higher-end chip. Granted, the 3770K still manages to outpace the 9590
            in most applications.

            • Deanjo
            • 5 years ago

            Cherry picking? RTFA

            [quote<]Unfortunately, the picture is too blurry to show the specs on the side of the box. Based on the included liquid cooler, though, I suspect this might be another one of those high-end FX-9000-series chips with 220W thermal envelopes.[/quote<] [quote<]A new FX-9000 model with a bundled closed-loop liquid cooler could be pitched as an alternative to Intel's new Devil's Canyon processors.[/quote<]

      • Khali
      • 5 years ago

      I have been wondering about something for a while now and this article brought to the front of my mind. Does AMD use their own hardware in the computers in their offices and other facilities? You would think so but then again corporations are never logical about some things.

      Which brings up the question just how much better AMD’s profits would be if they were not spending so much for electricity to run that hardware and the Air Conditioning to keep the buildings cool from all the heat that AMD CPU’s and GPU’s put out year round?

      Then again would they dare to have it found out that all their corporate computer systems were Intel systems after all because it costs less in electricity to get better performance with Intel and the buildings stay cooler?

      Just something I have wondered about from time to time.

      Maybe The Tech Report could get AMD to let them wonder around the AMD offices and poke around in some computers to see just what hardware they are using.

    • ronch
    • 5 years ago

    Did they intentionally takea blurry photo or is AMD too cheap to use a proper camera?

      • Cyril
      • 5 years ago

      It’s a viral social media sneak preview! An in-focus shot would be unseemly. 😉

        • ronch
        • 5 years ago

        I think it’s too clear to be a teaser. More like shaky camera hands or a cheap phone camera.

          • Airmantharp
          • 5 years ago

          It’s definitely camera movement causing the blur- I’ve destroyed too many of my own photographs this way, either with poor handholding technique to shutter speeds that are far too low.

          Safe to say that the photography world is safe from Rory :).

            • Klimax
            • 5 years ago

            Correct. Too familiar sight…

            • ronch
            • 5 years ago

            I believe Roy Taylor was doing something sexy and exciting when he took the photo. Hence, the camera shake..

        • Anovoca
        • 5 years ago

        A blurry photo is still more than what they sent you when their last chip was released!

      • Voldenuit
      • 5 years ago

      [quote<]Did they intentionally takea blurry photo or is AMD too cheap to use a proper camera?[/quote<] AMD Photographer Guy is busy and overworked.

      • Kretschmer
      • 5 years ago

      AMD marketing is drunk again. 🙁

    • ronch
    • 5 years ago

    Crazy AMD marketers.

    You know what we really want, AMD? An FX model running north of 4.0GHz with four Steamroller modules at 95w. Now that will actually gain AMD respect.

      • Deanjo
      • 5 years ago

      Unless they release an updated version of the 990FX chipset with native USB 3 and PCI-e 3 capability I’ll patiently wait for Haswell-E.

      • JustAnEngineer
      • 5 years ago

      If AMD’s engineers could fabricate their chip designs on Intel’s process, they’d probably be able to do that. However, AMD’s chips are fabricated by GlobalFoundries.

        • ronch
        • 5 years ago

        I guess chipmaking is a totally different ball game compared to pumping oil.

    • StuG
    • 5 years ago

    Another release that will do nothing to change the landscape. THANKS AMD.

      • daviejambo
      • 5 years ago

      I can hardly tell the difference between my fx8350 and 3770k so when I read comments threads like this bashing AMD it really does make me scratch my head

      fx8350@4.6 + 990fx + R9 280x = 60 sexy frames per second on everything apart from watchdogs

        • StuG
        • 5 years ago

        Go play Rome II on max unit size and tell me there isn’t a difference. My 2600k has to be at 4.4+ just to smooth out the issues. Have fun solving those on an AMD chip. Just because your applications don’t need good hardware doesn’t mean other people’s don’t.

        Plus, all I said was the landscape. Outside of your own personal opinion, there is plenty of real proof online showing they are far behind and not changing the landscape of CPU’s with any of their recent releases.

          • tcubed
          • 5 years ago

          Yes very far behind… so much so that mullins trades blows with a 11W intel it itself being a 4.5W chip… yeah, certainly no change to the landscape…

          Kaveri is the only budget chip that can play AAA games on iGPU (HD some even FullHD)… Kaveri is also smaller then it’s only competitor chip (GPU wise), denser, 4x or so cheaper and doesn’t require a 128MB of cache on chip… just a side note… now I go poof…

          But!

          Yeah you’re right this launch is probably just another vishera refresh that will not bring anything new… If it would be 8 core steamroller on 28 nm running 5GHz… now that would be something different… But I doubt that

            • StuG
            • 5 years ago

            You talking about this?

            [url<]https://techreport.com/review/26377/a-first-look-at-amd-mullins-mobile-apu/3[/url<] If so, the Atom Z3740 is a 2W part, not 11W. So an AMD part clocking in at more then double the power while trading blows hardly colors me impressed. Additionally I'll take any TDP that AMD gives out with a grain of salt, as I have frequently seen them overshoot their own numbers. If you are interested in playing AAA games and you are looking at using Kaveri without a dGPU, you'd probably be better served by just putting that money into a console. You will get a longer life out of the gaming machine and equal graphics. If you want a good experience and you are getting a dGPU, Kaveri is out of the picture. Even a 8 core steamroller running at 5GHz would likely fail to impress much. It's TDP would still be crazy high compared to it's competitions and overclocked Intel's from last gen would still likely spank it. I use to be all for AMD but they have just been a giant pile of disappointment lately.

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            LOL you ate it up… the intel SDP PR bs…:)))) Z3740 has a 2W S.D.P. which is marketing talk… the TDP on that part is about 4-5W and I was talking about competing with a 11W celeron it was tested against.

            read up:

            [url<]http://ark.intel.com/products/76759/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z3740-2M-Cache-up-to-1_86-GHz[/url<] "Scenario Design Power" - Intel bull BTW the mullins 4.5 W is really the TDP it has an SDP of 2W or some sort of bull like intels... 8 core steamroller runnign 5Ghz would level any intel that is not a 6 core or 4.5+GHz . You know that one AMD module(2 cores) is just a hair bigger then 1 intel core right? And that a steamroller core is about 60% the performance of a haswell core right? Also you know that a kaveri is 90W TDP so... strip out the GPU replace with 4 aditional cores and TA-DA a ~90W TDP 8 core chip... overclock it to fit inside a 140-160W TDP envelope put liquid cooling on it and call it FX... Having said that... I'm not getting my hopes up... It probably is just a vishera refresh... so ... yeah that will probably be a disappointment.

            • StuG
            • 5 years ago

            I wouldn’t compare it against a 11w Celeron as that is not it’s competition. What I linked is, and even if we go off of your “SDP PR” bit, they are roughly equal as you said. The Z3740 is a Q3’13 part, so I’m still unimpressed.

            I still don’t trust Mullins TDP until we can see it’s power usage IRL. AMD stretches their power numbers more then Intel’s.

            If telling yourself a 5.0Ghz 8 core Steamroller would level anything Intel has below a 6core or 4.5Ghz gets you to sleep at night, feel free to do so. It would still suck at IPC comparatively, it would still suck down way to much power. It doesn’t get away from the issue AMD module’s brings to the table, and it would still be roughly the functional equal of a i7 w/ HT in real utilization terms (not all 8 cores would be like real cores). Stuck at 60% IPC (as you said) at a higher power envelope it would be like Phenom II vs Nehalem all over again. Don’t get me wrong, that would be a rosy picture compared to today’s outlook though. However for us living in the land of reality this chip would still not change much for AMD.

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            Well i just do the math… a 5ghz kaveri with 8 cores would have enough speed to overtake a 4 ghz i7 in single thread and enough cores to manage to beat 4.5 ghz i7’s in multithread… but… as i said before i’m highly skeptical they can bring the 28nm process to 5ghz within a reasonable tdp

            • StuG
            • 5 years ago

            That would be if Kaveri was 80% IPC of an i7, but it’s not…it’s 60% as you stated before. So you’d have to get to 5.6Ghz (just doing the math). Additionally, since the 8 cores are “AMD Module” design they are not equal to real cores, they are equal to Intel’s HT. AMD’s modules perform like a hardware hyper-threading, and a poorly implemented version at best.

            So if they could get a 5.6Ghz Kaveri, assuming performance actually scales linearly, within a reasonable TDP (to be competitive I’d say 120w, which even now isn’t really competitive), then we would have a chip that would equal Intel’s current offerings. As I said before, this would still be a futile effort. Sinking in how far behind they are yet?

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            you do realize that 2 cores of amd are approximately as large as 1 intel core… intel being on 22nm amd on …28nm. Seeing the problem yet are we? No? Let me get you a bit of reality check. One intel core needs to beat 2 cores of AMD to be as cheap as AMD’s silicon is per performance (for AMD). This means that 60%(which was for BD/PD not kaveri btw.) is still better. Kaveri has a 20-30% uplift vs BD/PD that means that the 60% goes up to about 75%. Now let’s make it squeaky clean: 150% theoretical peak performance per intel core size on silicon. That means that even if IPC of one SR core is still significantly lower then an intel haswell it still outclasses it in multithreaded workloads even if the scaling is not linear. Also the performance throughput of a AMD module will quickly degrade to 70% efficiency if you run only FP workloads. But since most applications and games actually run integer workloads most of the time the scaling you should see given a mixed workload would be about 100%+ per module this means … that when you look at a kaveri you look at either 2 cores or one core intel silicon equivalence… being able to be compared to clean intel cores in the first place is nothing short of impressive. Sinking in how primitive intels design really is now? If I would have been AMD I would have marketed BD as quad/dual/single cores and let the community realize the differences. That would have been eons better then calling them cores and modules and branding them FX

            • StuG
            • 5 years ago

            You are hung up on the wrong things, and I’m not going to pursue this anymore…it is obvious I am wasting my time.

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            Yup, you are! I am too!

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            8350 5ghz, still having issues beating a 4770k at stock speeds. [url<]http://i.imgur.com/G8yPJJq.png[/url<] The issue there is lie the other topic. cache coherency and a terrible scaling issue over 4 full cores. Toms hardware (or was it anandtech ?) had a great article ages ago showing a simple benchmark: They disabled 1 core at a time until it was a single core cpu and ran benchmarks at each core count. the AMD cpu had upwards of 20% performance losses back then. The intel at the time cpu had losses but only half of that 20% the amd cpu suffered.

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            Because cinebench is known for how fair it allways was towards amd… just a side note … because it seems everybody still trust that bs benchmark… not that it wouldn’t be true in some regards but still citng that benchmark makes me puke…

            Look nobody is saying that amd’s chips are the best… i said already the 9 series was a huuuge dissappointment… but i assure you even if vishera had problems beating the i7 you mentioned… a 5 ghz 8 core steamroller would not have any problems since its ipc is about 30% better then bd/pd …. but i suspect 1) this is not the case here and 2) i don’t think the 28 nm process can yield 5ghz cpu’s that don’t require ln cooling.

            • maxxcool
            • 5 years ago

            Um did you not see the release ??? IT WAS CODED SPECIFICALLY FOR AMD .. AND THE NEW SCHEDULER.. THAT’S AS GOOD AS IT GETS…. EVER FOR PD OR SR.

            • tcubed
            • 5 years ago

            Erm.. well i said “was” and did mention that it is correctnowadays… still doesn’t wash away the fact they massivelly favored intel… knowingly…. still trusting anything they say makes me puke… got it?

        • flip-mode
        • 5 years ago

        Most interesting CPU in the world:

        I don’t always notice the difference between my Phenom II X4 995 and my Core i5 4670

        >>>

        But when I do, I really, really do.

    • chuckula
    • 5 years ago

    Because AMD felt threatened by the rather uneventful Haswell refresh?

      • Roo5ter
      • 5 years ago

      I find this funny because a Haswell refresh doesn’t even have to be eventful to make AMD feel threatened.

        • chuckula
        • 5 years ago

        That’s really the psychology of it.

        As a so-called Intel fanboy my reaction to the Haswell refresh is: Meh.

        AMD’s reaction.. a company that’s supposed to be confident in its own products…. appears to be quite a bit more excited about what Intel is doing. A more confident response would be: we don’t need to respond.

          • ronch
          • 5 years ago

          Who said anything about AMD having to respond to anything? This is just Roy Taylor wanting to do something sexy and exciting.

            • nanoflower
            • 5 years ago

            It’s also an opportunity to try and get some press back from Intel. While the Haswell refreshes may not be the most exciting of news it is keeping Intel being mentioned every few weeks as they have a new announcement. Doesn’t hurt for AMD to have their own new announcement to get a bit of that free press.

    • I.S.T.
    • 5 years ago

    An FX Kaveri with an L3 cache might actually have faster IPC than the Phenom II… Keyword being might.

      • Alexko
      • 5 years ago

      With a proper memory controller (one with decent latency, unlike Kaveri’s) it almost certainly would. But I doubt this is new silicon, probably just a new bin.

      • maxxcool
      • 5 years ago

      No IPC will still be sub STARS level.. BUT with KEV able to hit 4.5ghz it can make it up. But i deeply suspect this is a binned or stepped halo-level piledriver with a branded cooler.

    • Pez
    • 5 years ago

    A new 9-series doesn’t make any sense. Maybe an FX Desktop Kaveri with 4 modules?

      • Geonerd
      • 5 years ago

      Well, we can dream…

      An 8 core Kaveri is what it would take to make me consider upgrading my old Thuban.

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