Updated: Microsoft shows Windows 10, preps public preview build for tomorrow

After dropping that naming bombshell, Microsoft gave the first public demo of Windows 10 at its press event this morning. The company also announced the Windows Insider Program, as part of which folks will be able to grab a Technical Preview build of Windows 10 starting tomorrow.

Though Windows 10 will run on phones and tablets, the public demo centered mostly on the desktop—and covered a lot of ground already trodden by recent leaks. There were a few surprises, however. According to The Verge's liveblog and the official Windows Blog post, attendees got a look at:

  • The new Start menu, which combines the classic Win7 style with live tiles.

Source: Microsoft.

  • Windowed Modern UI apps, which can be snapped to the side of the screen just like regular windows in Win7.

Source: Microsoft.

  • Task View, a multitasking manager that lets users switch between virtual desktops and open apps. Task View also includes a Snap Assist interface that allows users to "grab apps from multiple desktops," in The Verge's words.

Source: Microsoft.

  • An improved Command Prompt that—drumroll—finally lets you hit Ctrl-V to paste text. (The current version requires a right click.)
  • The Charms bar, whose demise has been greatly exaggerated. Yep, it's still there. Microsoft's Joe Belfiore, who presented the demo, did however suggest that the bar will change in later builds.
  • …and Continuum, which I'm not totally clear on. Apparently, this feature simply switches from desktop to Modern UI modes on convertible two-in-one systems. But the taskbar doesn't go away. Or something.

Microsoft also teased new enterprise features for "separating corporate and personal data across all devices," adding that Windows 10 will be its "greatest enterprise platform, ever." None of the enterprise stuff was demoed, but it's pretty clear that the company is trying to woo corporate customers that will soon look to upgrade their Windows 7 systems.

More details about Windows 10 will be revealed early next year, including at the Build conference in April. The completed OS is scheduled for release in mid-2015.

Update: Microsoft has put up a video introduction to the upcoming Technical Preview.

If you skip past Belfiore's monologue to around the 1:35 mark, the video includes a brief tour of the new features. (Thanks to TR reader SH SOTN for the link.)

Update 3:49 PM: Microsoft has put up this morning's entire keynote on YouTube. You can watch it below:

Belfiore's demo starts about 10 minutes in, if you want to skip straight to the fun stuff.

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    • Kaleid
    • 5 years ago

    Ok, so will I be able to customize colors in windows explorer? I want the white background color GONE.

    And please allow the user to see available free space as default.

    • Crackhead Johny
    • 5 years ago

    OK, so if every other MS OS is bad… are they skipping 9 because that would have been the good one?

    I’m also hoping they do not include the giant advertising and click bait looking section (Live tiles? will Xbox live help users be more productive?) In the server version of the OS.

    Bring back classic view! Seriously, if you can always fire up classic view instead of New View most complaints about new MS OSs go away.

    What are the estimated losses world wide for the migration to this new OS? 1 trillion USD$? 2 trillion? (primarily in lost man hours while people look for where their tools went this time and cash losses due to outages getting extended while admins Google where their tools went.. not to mention the cost of the migration itself).
    Seriously, we all learned as kids “Put dad’s tools back where you got them or you get a beating.” How was MS’s take away from childhood “Take dad’s tools and go bury them somewhere!”? I have been in this too long to believe him when he says our stuff will not get hidden or removed. I swear the future of MS OSs is load powershell instead of Explorer as your interface.

    I think it is time for them to just have a free or near free consumer version with all the xbox live stuff, cell phone functionality and as much advertising as they want. Then release a commercial version for businesses.

    Can I run the preview as a VDI?
    Oh, I haven’t had any caffeine yet.. Uh oh.

    • sweatshopking
    • 5 years ago

    INSTALLED. NEW ICONS LOOK GREAT. LOVING IT. NEW START ISN’T MY FAV. NOT METROY ENOUGH.

    • dashbarron
    • 5 years ago

    It’s so advanced they had to call it Windows 10.

    Right…?

    • anotherengineer
    • 5 years ago

    Maybe I blinked and missed it, but was there any mention of WOSX coming with DX12??

      • brucethemoose
      • 5 years ago

      I haven’t seen anything about DX12 either.

      The Windows 9 preview should come with some new graphics drivers… Maybe we’ll hear something about DX12 from Intel/AMD/Nvidia.

    • flip-mode
    • 5 years ago

    That guy’s hair.

      • Shoki
      • 5 years ago

      It perfectly matches his Sims 4 character.

    • WaltC
    • 5 years ago

    Belfiore is strongly reminiscent of Sylvester Stallone’s nephew with bad hair.

    “Use guys, c’mear…! “dis is grape stuph!”

    Edit: actually, he reminds me more of a younger [i<]Robert Mitchum[/i<] with bad hair...! Yikes!

    • Laykun
    • 5 years ago

    I like how all these tech companies have say their new product is there “best version yet”. If it wasn’t no one would f**kn buy it so it better bloody well be.

      • Liron
      • 5 years ago

      Not exactly. If they stop selling licenses of the old version to OEMs, then they have to buy whatever MS is selling, because (in practice) OEMs have to ship the computers with some kind of Windows.

    • Peter.Parker
    • 5 years ago

    Joe, the Museum of Natural Science called, they want their mammoth hair back!

    • Star Brood
    • 5 years ago

    So do you guys think MS will go to the same lengths as Apple did with Mavericks and make subsequent upgrades free? Honestly they owe it to their customers for the total screwup that is Win8.

      • Klimax
      • 5 years ago

      Total screw up looks very differently then W8. More like ME…

    • kamikaziechameleon
    • 5 years ago

    #1 issue MS has with their OS is they listen to the feed back from nerds in unproductive ways. We are rarely privy to their ultimate goals or design strategies and as such it becomes tedious for MS to keep chasing our approval as they position themselves in touch mobile devices. The #1 issue win 8 had was a lack of commitment to a specific design direction. Win 8.1 didn’t improve that and win 10 looks to continue the fiasco.

    Question, how do windows RT, windows x86, and windows phone 10 integrate???

    Can we finally kill windows RT or phone or merge them or something? Will they create a cross architectural kernel or emulation layer or something??? How about resolving a better touch interface, the design they use currently is actually pretty confusing, its powerful but its confusing. To that end the stylus tech they use for many devices needs to become standardized across manufacturers to keep people from having a bad input experience. Input quality has been so low on windows platform forever.

      • sweatshopking
      • 5 years ago

      [quote<] Can we finally kill windows RT or phone or merge them or something? [/quote<] yes. as they've REPEATEDLY said over the past few years, those two are becoming one, and so is the x86 version. there is only one version of windows that runs on everything.

        • kamikaziechameleon
        • 5 years ago

        Thanks! I don’t know how I missed it. I like windows phone allot, RT seems pointless and baren as an OS.

          • sweatshopking
          • 5 years ago

          Sorry that reads snarky. Wasn’t my meaning.
          10 will unite Xbox, rt, wp, x64, IOT into one platform core.

            • Jason181
            • 5 years ago

            THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON’T USE CAPS.

    • culotso
    • 5 years ago

    > An improved Command Prompt that—drumroll—finally lets you hit Ctrl-V to paste text. (The current version requires a right click.)

    Really, it took *twenty years* to finally fix this major niggle?! Da heck is wrong with them. Windows could be the most polished and useful thing ever created by humanity, and instead it’s… how it now is. Ack.

    Also, that weather app looks *hideous*. yargh!

    • internetsandman
    • 5 years ago

    The sweet, sweet sounds of Microsoft backpedalling like mad over windows 8, and adopting features that other OS’s have had for years

    • Grimmy
    • 5 years ago

    The videos were wonderful to watch.
    Microsoft finally seems to get it right with the interface this time.
    Belfiore’s got the right attitude and enthusiasm to make the UI great.
    So the desktop, laptop, hybrids, tablets and touch so it all works.
    But of course there are a lot of things still to improve.
    And the invite early on so we can help them making these improvements and help them make the right decisions is the right way to do it.

    update:
    I would like to see categories tabs at the top in the start menu
    Grouping apps and tasks. And that could be universal for windows, xbox & phone

    • Tristan
    • 5 years ago

    Most usefull feature in Win 10 : CTRL-V in console

      • the
      • 5 years ago

      Hopefully they also fixed how Windows handles formatting and white space with copy/paste. It always behaves a little off with me.

      • Klimax
      • 5 years ago

      Note: It was always possible to paste in console. If you wanted you could enable “quick edits mode” where right click pastes.

      But enabling standard shortcut is nice.

    • Kougar
    • 5 years ago

    And some people say the Windows 7 start menu was bloated?? The Windows 10 start menu looks absolutely dreadful.

      • slowriot
      • 5 years ago

      I’m strongly hoping their’s an options to remove or fully disable live tiles in the start menu.

        • Helmore
        • 5 years ago

        That’s simple, just remove the live tiles and… done.

          • slowriot
          • 5 years ago

          Did they already show this and I missed it? I hope it’s that simple but I wouldn’t be surprised if some tiles are not removable, like the Windows Store one.

    • gamoniac
    • 5 years ago

    Enough with the criticism on the name already, I only care about the features 🙂 Seriously though, if anything, I think the name Windows 69 would be the most appropriate. The 6 and the 9 each represents the ying and the yang — a perfect harmony between desktop and mobile devices, or the continuum as they call it.

      • rUmX
      • 5 years ago

      69 makes me think about sex..

        • gamoniac
        • 5 years ago

        Welp, that’s part of the appeal… 🙂

      • LoneWolf15
      • 5 years ago

      I’m glad we haven’t had to experience Windows 6.9 .

      • Klimax
      • 5 years ago

      Better would be 78?

      😀

        • Welch
        • 5 years ago

        Yeah yeah yeah… because you get 8 more, I get it 😛

    • Hance
    • 5 years ago

    The entire keynote translates to ” we really screwed up with windows 8″

      • Klimax
      • 5 years ago

      Mistranslation: Corrects one is: “We are listening too much to vocal groups”. If Internet was as big as 95 launched we could forget modern desktop…

      Even XP got away barely, because it still appeared when Internet didn’t explode that much. (that was few years later and marked by malware)

        • just brew it!
        • 5 years ago

        I disagree; the Internet really started to explode when Google hit the scene, and that happened a few years before XP.

    • burntham77
    • 5 years ago

    So 8.1 can be considered 9? That’s the only explanation that makes some sense.

      • GTVic
      • 5 years ago

      Unless they were originally planning on 8.2, 8.3, … and decided that was a bad idea due to 8.x hysteria and then considered 9.1, 9.2, … 9.5, … 9.8 and decided that was also a bad idea so finally they went to 10.

        • Meadows
        • 5 years ago

        A round number subconsciously suggests significant steps forward or at least a clean slate, or at least that’s how marketing thinks.

    • BillyBuerger
    • 5 years ago

    [quote<]An improved Command Prompt that—drumroll—finally lets you hit Ctrl-V to paste text. (The current version requires a right click.)[/quote<] GET OUT! That'll be worth the update alone.

      • rUmX
      • 5 years ago

      This has been long overdue. Now how about a better way to copy text from a cmd prompt?

        • Andrew Lauritzen
        • 5 years ago

        Wait for Windows 20. On a positive note that might be the next version after 10, now that we’re in wacky counting land.

        • BillyBuerger
        • 5 years ago

        I’m watching the whole keynote now and YES, you can use the keyboard to select text and Ctrl-C to copy.

      • JumpingJack
      • 5 years ago

      I wonder how long it took to code that one….

        • bjm
        • 5 years ago

        I’m sure the difficulty was never in producing the code, but rather getting the code passed the bureaucratic approval process and into production. If anything, this small feature is a tiny hint that the Microsoft reorg may be successful.

        Now let’s see them improve Notepad…

          • Klimax
          • 5 years ago

          Per Raymond Chen, each feature starts at -100 points. (cue massive discussion)

          As for notepad? Don’t think there will be any changes. It was never meant to be anything more then standard edit box in simple shell.

    • kvndoom
    • 5 years ago

    Yay MS Windows rapid release program! “We can catch up to Firefox in 5 years.”

    • captaintrav
    • 5 years ago

    Quit trying to make Live Tiles happen!

    • sweatshopking
    • 5 years ago

    I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU VERY UPSET WINDOWS USERS TO GET INVOLVED IN THE TECHNICAL PREVIEW PROGRAM. THERE WILL BE ENGINEERING FACE TO FACE ACCESS AS WELL. SOME OF YOU ARE ALSO COMPLAINING ABOUT NOT REGULAR FEEDBACK. THE NEW OS WILL BE UPDATED MONTHLY, IF YOU JOIN THE REGULAR RELEASE PROGRAM, SO YOU’LL BE ABLE TO SEE THINGS IMPLEMENTED QUICKER.

      • JustAnEngineer
      • 5 years ago

      It’s a shame that you can’t make the CAPS LOCK key work if you do that.

        • davidbowser
        • 5 years ago

        ssk has been beta testing for MS. All the betas have the caps lock bug.

          • WaltC
          • 5 years ago

          Nah, that bug’s native exclusively to bootcamp…;)

          • sweatshopking
          • 5 years ago

          IT’S NOT A BUG, IT’S A FEATURE.

            • davidbowser
            • 5 years ago

            Well played sir.

      • ThatStupidCat
      • 5 years ago

      Microsoft is really gonna listen to us? That has to be a bug.

        • sweatshopking
        • 5 years ago

        Our direction has changed, and we are trying to better understand our customers needs. These days, where the market is so much more diverse than it used to be the task is harder and will require much more time and communication. We think our new preview program is a step in the right direction to address those issues.

          • slowriot
          • 5 years ago

          Did you copy this from some where or do you work for MS now?

            • sweatshopking
            • 5 years ago

            I didn’t copy it from anywhere.

    • captaintrav
    • 5 years ago

    Ok, so since the internal Windows versions went:

    Vista – 6.0
    Windows 7 – 6.1
    Windows 8 – 6.2
    Windows 8.1 – 6.2 or 6.3 depending on the case (google it)

    That would make Windows 10 version 7.1?

      • HunterZ
      • 5 years ago

      6.4, I’m guessing.

      • paternal_techie
      • 5 years ago

      Probably 6.4 which when added together would equal 10.

      Or for the real conspiracy nut

      Windows 10 minus the 1 version they skipped = 9 divided by the three versions of Windows 8 releases (8.0, 8.1, 8.1.1) = 3

      Half life 3 confirmed in 2015. Hail Gaben!

      • wingless
      • 5 years ago

      So Windows 10 is really Windows 7?…..WINCEPTION!

      • BIF
      • 5 years ago

      As long as they don’t make it a lazy time-travel or doppelganger episode. Or anything having to do with Groundhog day, European vacation, Windows becomes a rockstar, or jumping the shark in any other way imaginable.

    • geekl33tgamer
    • 5 years ago

    The start bar at the bottom still retains the “Aero” look, while everything else around it has gone flat. It looks weird in 8 already, and I would have thought it might get changed by now?

      • sweatshopking
      • 5 years ago

      the taskbar in 8 and 8.1 are also transparent.

        • geekl33tgamer
        • 5 years ago

        Ya, I use 8.1 – Little things like that annoy my inner geek! It really can’t be that hard to make it match the UI used in the rest of the OS???

          • sweatshopking
          • 5 years ago

          they disabled aero to reduce graphical draw. it’s not about UI matching, it’s about reduced power consumption.

            • Laykun
            • 5 years ago

            Bullshit detected. Video cards from 10 years ago had no trouble drawing Aero. Considering the leaps and bounds in performance I doubt that Aero even shows up as a blip on the GPU usage radar. If you’re really concerned and are on a laptop it can be set to change to flat when on battery power.

            The only difference between aero on and off that I’ve noticed for windows 7 is having aero on enforces vsync on the desktop while having it in basic seems to disable it.

            • sweatshopking
            • 5 years ago

            LMBTFY [url<]http://www.forbes.com/sites/adriankingsleyhughes/2012/05/19/microsoft-to-drop-aero-from-windows-8-user-interface/[/url<] bud, you're arguing MS with me. Silly.

            • Laykun
            • 5 years ago

            And what you’ve posted is nothing more but the conjecture of a poorly informed tech writer. Where is the empirical evidence? Oh wait what’s that, I can use Google too? Prepare to have your myth destroyed.

            [url<]http://superuser.com/questions/234674/how-much-does-having-aero-on-affect-battery-life[/url<] [url<]http://lifehacker.com/5566020/how-to-maximize-the-battery-life-of-your-windows-laptop[/url<] [url<]http://www.infoworld.com/article/2640522/microsoft-windows/the-vista-aero-vs--battery-life-myth.html[/url<] [url<]http://www.thewindowsclub.com/does-disabling-aero-really-improve-performance-in-windows-7[/url<] Search term : "battery savings with aero off vs on" As you can see reports show that Aero is responsible for approx 1-4% higher battery consumption rate, a poultry sum that is indeed, barely a blip on the radar. It's been shown under KDE that using the GPU to do ... get this ... graphics tasks is far more power efficient than doing them on the CPU, even if you're doing transparency effects. "1) Aero (DWM) is faster – this is not only because of the extra ‘writes’ that the composer circumvents, but also it lets the GPU do some GDI operations, Bitmap processing, and even Font Rendering – this saves CPU usage and is faster than CPU rendering all these things. 2) Aero is ‘lighter’ on usage than people realize, and because of the offset of GPU uses will often increase battery life on a low end or even typical laptop." Quoted from [url<]http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090723/lesson-intel-graphics-power-saving-feature/[/url<]

            • sweatshopking
            • 5 years ago

            Here you go, bro. Right from the horses mouth. [url<]http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx[/url<] I'm not saying it was justified it not, I'm saying WHY they say they did it, and I was right, and you were wrong. And for you're information, 4% is HUGE. That's an extra half an hour on a laptop in some cases. Don't get me wrong, I liked aero fine. But the trade off is one I'm willing to make.

            • sschaem
            • 5 years ago

            Yes, and you can disable areo on windows7…

            Microsoft reason is not a reason, its a lame but excuse.

            • Laykun
            • 5 years ago

            Where exactly in that article does it say they ditched Aero transparency to save battery life? All I’m seeing is that the Windows 8 user experience is designed around saving battery power. that’s a pretty big leap of logic you’re making if you ASSUME they mean removing aero transparency when they don’t mention specifics.

            “We applied the principles of “clean and crisp” when updating window and taskbar chrome. Gone are the glass and reflections. We squared off the edges of windows and the taskbar. We removed all the glows and gradients found on buttons within the chrome. We made the appearance of windows crisper by removing unnecessary shadows and transparency. The default window chrome is white, creating an airy and premium look. The taskbar continues to blend into the desktop wallpaper, but appears less complicated overall.”

            Judging from this paragraph QUOTED from the article YOU posted it becomes clear they did it for design not power savings as that’s the only mention of transparency. When you quote an article, make sure to read it first so that it backs up your argument. The article from the horses mouth, from what I can find, shows you to be in the wrong.

            I also said 1-4% but naturally you’ve gone worst case scenario. There also reports of enabling aero SAVING battery life rather than consuming it. With modern hardware these effects diminish even further due to performance/watt ratios and more intelligent power management hardware/software. Most of the articles I posted are old and things have only improved since then.

            • sweatshopking
            • 5 years ago

            They repeatedly mention battery life in the article. I’m not sure what’s confusing about this.

            [url<]http://www.extremetech.com/computing/129620-windows-8-kills-off-dated-and-cheesy-aero[/url<] You need another site to make conjecture (based upon what they said?) They killed it to reduce power draw. I'm not saying new hardware it does better, I'm not even saying I support the decision. I'm saying they said it was necessary to reduce power consumption, which they did. This isn't personal, relax

            • Laykun
            • 5 years ago

            Sure, they repeatedly mention battery life, but they do not say they removed aero like effects to improve battery life, which was the original point. The article is devoid of detail about the rationale for the decision apart from it being a aesthetic decision.4

            Surely if they removed it for battery reasons the entire start bar wouldn’t be transparent and blury either, since that’s a reasonable amount of screen real-estate.

            “bud, you’re arguing MS with me. Silly.”

            Calling me bud and silly on the same line, the gloves were thrown down!

            • Jason181
            • 5 years ago

            poultry sum?

      • terranup16
      • 5 years ago

      They’ve been saying persistently that the preview isn’t really intended to showcase how W10 looks yet but rather to introduce enterprise productivity features and get developers setup on the new platform in sufficiently advanced time to populate the ecosystem.

      The consumer preview, coming probably next year, is going to be where the UX starts coming into focus. With that said, current leaks suggest the flattening is coming across the board, from IE12 to every Microsoft-made Windows icon and beyond.

      Personally, I like Microsoft’s approach to flatter design, it’s worked really well with Windows Phone and I feel it can work well on the desktop with further refinement (and since most of the Windows team nowadays is the Windows Phone team… high confidence there).

    • Wildchild
    • 5 years ago

    That dudes hair reminds me of the people I would see at concerts I went to during my high school years.

    • njoydesign
    • 5 years ago

    okay.. I’m actually interested. The new Start menu looks very good. Just wonder why can’t Microsoft listen to users every time, and not every SECOND time they release an OS…

    I wonder if W11 is going to be a total failure)))

      • HunterZ
      • 5 years ago

      Windows versions are like the old Star Trek movies: every second one was garbage.

        • Klimax
        • 5 years ago

        The only problem, it was never true. For one thing it cannot account for NT and 2000 nor it accounts for pre 3.0 versions.

          • trackerben
          • 5 years ago

          Windows: The Trek (Revised)

          3.x = The Motion Picture (it was a Start)
          95 = The Wrath of Khan (Windows Uber Alles)*
          98 = The Search for Spock (seeking a better Win 95)
          2000 = The Voyage Home (not there yet but still fun)*
          Me = The Final Frontier (on the cusp of x64 goodness)
          XP = The Undiscovered Country (war then peace with NT)*
          Vista = Generations (of waiting and technology)
          7 = First Contact (with the OS we hoped for)*
          8 = Insurrection (revolt of the New UI)
          10 = Nemesis (the original strikes back)*

            • awakeningcry
            • 5 years ago

            but Nemesis was a rubbish film…

            • trackerben
            • 5 years ago

            Yea it wasn’t that great. Still, old school trumped new school on screen and on windows.

          • just brew it!
          • 5 years ago

          Pre-3.0 doesn’t really count though. IIRC those early versions were bundled with Excel, and weren’t particularly useful as standalone OSes since everything else was still designed to run under straight DOS.

            • Klimax
            • 5 years ago

            Still missing NT line…

    • [+Duracell-]
    • 5 years ago

    I wonder how the multiple desktops feature will work with multi-monitor setups. I can see the benefit for a single-monitor user, but I have a multi-monitor setup at home and work.

    I guess I’ll see when I install the preview tomorrow?

    • emvath79
    • 5 years ago

    Perhaps I’m missing something. What is the thought behind naming it Windows 10? I understand that 8 wasn’t universally loved, but why would naming it 10 be better than 9? Are they just hoping the general public is stupid and will think this is “way beyond 8”?

      • absurdity
      • 5 years ago

      The whole point of any marketing campaign is to try to get people to like what you’re selling. The name of a product can be a big piece of it. This isn’t anything new or uncommon. Considering how 8 never caught on, they’re probably wise to distance themselves from 8 in as many ways as they can (without completely throwing it under the bus, since this next version builds on it).

      • Beelzebubba9
      • 5 years ago

      It matches OS X 10.10 in numberness!

    • destroy.all.monsters
    • 5 years ago

    That guy’s hair angers me.

      • The Egg
      • 5 years ago

      I’d say his hair looks very “metro”. Exactly the type of guy I imagined was behind recent design decisions.

      • Vaughn
      • 5 years ago

      I thought this was an apple ad the first few seconds he looks like one of those idouches that works at the apple store.

      • gigafinger
      • 5 years ago

      Much hair. So comb-over.

        • Duck
        • 5 years ago

        Wow. So scare.

      • Wirko
      • 5 years ago

      Is your feeling in any way reinforced by the Metro-pink background behind him?

      • lilbuddhaman
      • 5 years ago

      Teenage Angst haircut on a 40yr old man.

        • TwoEars
        • 5 years ago

        Yeah – he’s at least 10 years to old for that haircut.

          • destroy.all.monsters
          • 5 years ago

          More like 30.

      • ish718
      • 5 years ago

      Maybe because it reminds you of Justin Bieber…

      • shaq_mobile
      • 5 years ago

      i was thinking casual hitler who was trying to be more approachable. the hitler that understands compromise on the final solution.

      Proof:
      [url<]http://i58.tinypic.com/1zexxsi.png[/url<]

      • Crackhead Johny
      • 5 years ago

      Put a 1 inch wide mustache on him and you have a young Hitler.

      • UberGerbil
      • 5 years ago

      Oh… Joe. He could pull off that look 20 years ago when he was leading the UI team for Windows 95. Now… not so much.

    • tootercomputer
    • 5 years ago

    I just love that guy’s haircut.

    I had terrific luck with previews of vista, 7 and 8. I’m game for installing the new one (what happened to 9) on a separate drive and see how it does.

      • captaintrav
      • 5 years ago

      can’t tell if serious or sarcastic

      • sweatshopking
      • 5 years ago

      I’ll be installing it tomorrow as well. Looking forward to it!

    • trabi
    • 5 years ago

    Who else thinks he looks like an emaciated, smiling Sylvester Stallone?

      • uni-mitation
      • 5 years ago

      lol

      • Neutronbeam
      • 5 years ago

      I think I saw him in an anime series…can’t remember which one, but the hair had more purple.

        • dragontamer5788
        • 5 years ago

        Was it Lucifer? (The Devil is a Part Timer)

        [url<]http://i.imgur.com/MxFedGO.jpg[/url<] Combover is on Lucifer's right, instead of Belfiore's left. But aside from that... he's basically got a purple version of Lucifer's anime hair.

          • Neutronbeam
          • 5 years ago

          Well, if the hair fits…good match!

        • xyvyx
        • 5 years ago

        wait, was it the bad guy in the anime sequence of Kill Bill?

      • unclesharkey
      • 5 years ago

      Nope that’s Vince from Deputy Dawg wearing a hair piece.

    • uni-mitation
    • 5 years ago

    This signals the implicit acknowledgement that Windows 8 was a turd from the moment they released it and it is still one!

      • derFunkenstein
      • 5 years ago

      So is Windows 8 “implicit acknowledgement” that Windows 7 was a turd? What are you basing it on?

        • sweatshopking
        • 5 years ago

        The fact that they made a new one.

          • Meadows
          • 5 years ago

          They always make a new one.

            • sweatshopking
            • 5 years ago

            OMG! YOU DON’T SAY!

      • terranup16
      • 5 years ago

      I mean, Windows 8 is the same story as Vista. It was on the right track (for anyone that has spent actual time with Vista, 7, or 8, would you ever seriously go back to XP? For all its terrible launch and bugginess and heavy Aero, once Vista was patched, the core UX improvements make XP veritably unusable in comparison) and it’s not that it didn’t bring improvements to all aspects of the experience (new task manager, multidisplay setup improvements, and numerous desktop UI adjustments all come to mind) compared to its predecessor of 7, it’s just that the new elements it brought weren’t at the end of their journey and were a little rushed to boot.

      Despite the naming scheme, 10 is still building off 8’s foundation just like 7 built off Vista’s foundation. 8’s greatest failure isn’t so much what it was, but that MS wasn’t able to release it in a more completed state and to update its features more rapidly, which is part of the point of 10, that they’ve already completed the switchover from waterfall to agile development for most of their product teams so with 10, whatever state it ships in, they’re going to be able to follow-up and improve it constantly and at a rate that modern consumers expect.

        • sweatshopking
        • 5 years ago

        great post.

        • 223 Fan
        • 5 years ago

        No Aero == No Sale

    • Chrispy_
    • 5 years ago

    Good start.
    1) Demonstrate that you can’t count to 10 properly.
    2) Leave the charms bar in there. The single most hated feature of Windows 8.
    Bravo Microsoft. You really aren’t capable of doing anything right, are you.

      • Ethyriel
      • 5 years ago

      You can disable the charms bar easily enough.

        • captaintrav
        • 5 years ago

        Can you entirely? Last I checked you could only disable the upper right hot corner, and that took until 8.1 to be the case.

          • Ethyriel
          • 5 years ago

          Oh, I guess not. I don’t use touch on Windows, so I didn’t even realize that was an issue.

          • sweatshopking
          • 5 years ago

          [url<]http://www.askvg.com/how-to-disable-charms-bar-hint-in-windows-8/[/url<] thats the release preview. you've been able to disable it since day 1.

            • captaintrav
            • 5 years ago

            Ok, well a registry edit is more or less a hack, it’s in the taskbar settings now and should have been from day 1.

            • sweatshopking
            • 5 years ago

            It’s a file download and clicking “install”. The reality is that 99.9% of windows 8 whining was easily fixable and people just wanted to whine.

            • Ethyriel
            • 5 years ago

            No, the average person should absolutely not be running registry edits. But I agree, most of the annoyances are easily avoided. Unless you absolutely hate using search to launch applications.

            • sweatshopking
            • 5 years ago

            I never said they should. The average person doesn’t fill up forums or care passionately enough to whine about an operating system. That’s the vocal minority of nerds that does that.

            • BIF
            • 5 years ago

            He’s right about that (vocal nerds complaining, vocally).

            • slowriot
            • 5 years ago

            No, he’s not. He’s correct that the only people complaining ON FORUMS are nerds. He’s wrong that everyone else doesn’t care. People do care. They’re largely annoyed by Windows 8 or saw it and immediately thought “Nope” because every marketing image of it didn’t look remotely like Windows.

            Unless you’re going to suggest the reason Microsoft is announcing “Windows 10” today is because of those vocal nerds on forums. Seriously, people at large didn’t like it. MS has a new freaking CEO for crying out loud.

            • sweatshopking
            • 5 years ago

            Yes, I am. do you know how many people hate windows 8 because their first introduction was from some nerd and s/he said “windows 8 sucks, look how stupid it is! avoid it, it’s garbage”. seriously, it’s like 99% of them. if they were approached with “look at these positive changes!” then they’d have a different perspective.

            obviously it wasn’t popular, but that’s a large part because of enterprise, which is controlled by nerds. anyone using windows 8 on a convertible pc likes it, certainly more than 7. was it too early? definitely, since OEM’s kinda were too slow.

            the bottom line is windows 8 sucked because of perception. MS agrees, and so would any unbiased viewer.

            • Klimax
            • 5 years ago

            Also one of differences between 95 and 8 is Internet made it easy to shout out to whole world your hate. (Often grossly uninformed)

            • Jason181
            • 5 years ago

            Personally, I think Vista sucked because of perception, but 8 sucked because it changed things way, way too much and made things like shutting down your computer non-intuitive.

            I actually bought someone a laptop with Windows 8, and told them it was MS’ shiny new operating system. They hated it, but didn’t really tell me until a long time later because they were afraid I’d take it personally.

            I tried using it, and it’s a frustrating experience to me. It reminds me of using a Mac, really. Nothing wrong with Macs or W8 unless you’re used to something else. MS was their own worst enemy, training people to think one way with Windows, then going to Metro, which was a completely different UI.

            I agree that sometimes the flaws in MS’ OSes are overblown, but in this case it was really a complete change from what people had been using for years. I feel the same about the ribbon UI in Office; I don’t like it at all, even after using it for work for a long time now.

            • sweatshopking
            • 5 years ago

            I agree that it was difficult for people on traditional systems that were used to the old way. My first experience with 8 was on a convertible PC. It made way more sense on there than it did on a desktop, but once I had gotten used to it on a tablet it was fine.

            Interestly, though, I installed 10 on my computer and my kids HATE IT. They’ve only used 8, and they don’t know why I’m ruining a perfectly good start screen with a silly menu. They’ve asked me to put 8 back on for them.

            • BIF
            • 5 years ago

            Most people I come into contact with say they don’t like Windows 8 (or 8.1, doesn’t matter), “because my computer is not a phone!” or some other crap, and then when I ask them what they’re using, they say “XP”.

            WTF?

            So how do you know you don’t like it? “Well, I heard somebody say such and so and it’s for phones..”

            Again, WTF?

            They’re getting an inaccurate picture from vocal nerds who don’t tell the WHOLE TRUTH (for example, that you CAN set it up so you don’t see the charms or tiles). So when I suggest that Windows 8.1 is safe, and by the way here’s how you can get a start menu back, they come back to me in a couple weeks and say they like Windows 8.1.

            It’s all BS at this point, because everybody just believes what they’re told, and won’t try it themselves. We are becoming a society of Chicken Little. I’m not saying you’re wrong. But this is what I’m dealing with EVERY DAY; total and complete ignorance, perpetuated in part by that loud vocal segment who should know better.

            • kvndoom
            • 5 years ago

            WeII if it makes you feel any better, I tried it and after a few weeks spent 80 bucks to get a Windows 7 disc.

            • sweatshopking
            • 5 years ago

            Yep.

          • xeridea
          • 5 years ago

          Install Classic Shell and you can make Win8 much more usable. It’s the only way I survive on my work laptop (Win7 looking Start menu, can disable all the Win8 crap, to bad it doesn’t bring back Aero).

            • BIF
            • 5 years ago

            Classic Shell rocks. Microsoft would do well to bring it into the fold as an option.

      • huge
      • 5 years ago

      Ugh, you’re really forcing me to learn Linux aren’t you??

      • superjawes
      • 5 years ago

      Charms were/are the most hated Windows 8 feature? I thought the Start Screen and the fact that Metro Apps don’t run in windows would be hated more.

      And for personal preference, my main problem with the charms bar is that I had to use it. A new Start Menu should eliminate anyone’s need for charms.

        • captaintrav
        • 5 years ago

        I hated the Charms bar the most, the Start screen was just someone jolting to old expectations. Pin your apps to the Taskbar and you don’t interact with it all that much. On the desktop the Charms bar popping up everytime you go for the Window close (X) widget? MADDENING BEYOND BELIEF. And no, you couldn’t even disable this at first in 8.0 AFAIK. People bitching about the Start Menu are just people that don’t like change. IMHO Windows 8 had much more legitimate things to bitch about. I had to use Google to find out how to turn the $^@$^ thing off the first time.

          • xeridea
          • 5 years ago

          I remember my first day at my current job trying to figure out how to shut down. There are 2 easier alternatives to the regular way btw, focus desktop and Alt F4, or lock screen and there is an icon in bottom right.

      • Andrew Lauritzen
      • 5 years ago

      I’m pretty sure they said that the charms bar is only accessible with touch, which would make sense (it *is* useful on a touch device – so much so that I dislike devices with physical windows buttons on the front face).

      On the first point, I’m not sure anyone will argue with you 🙂

        • Chrispy_
        • 5 years ago

        Maybe I should elaborate 🙂
        Charms was *MY* single most hated feature of Windows 8.
        I didn’t like Metro but it was a half-assed Start Menu equivalent.
        Charms, on the other hand, I have no socially acceptable words for.

          • [+Duracell-]
          • 5 years ago

          I don’t mind it, but I only use the bar to pop up the Date/Time on my secondary (right-hand) monitor when I’m in a full-screen game. I don’t use any of the other functions.

          • sweatshopking
          • 5 years ago

          As punk user said, I assume you’re not using touch.

          If you get that upset over it, it isn’t that hard to disable.

      • terranup16
      • 5 years ago

      They are going to have Charms refactored for desktop better by launch, for sure. Finally having a capable Windows touch device in the Yoga 2 Pro, I actually like how 8.1 does multitasking and charms in modern for the most part. I wish multitasking were a little more unified with the desktop apps and that Charms were perhaps a little better implemented from a UX standpoint, but the basic setup of swipe from left edge or right edge and all options are in a finger’s reach is effective for the form factor I’m using.

        • sweatshopking
        • 5 years ago

        Yes. Most of the windows 8 whining is by people not on convertibles. Once you have a useful touch screen device, it’s great.

          • Jason181
          • 5 years ago

          Yeah, it’s ridiculous. People using a mouse and keyboard. How antiquated.

      • votekick
      • 5 years ago

      Pretty sure they didn’t want to have Windows Nein (No in German).

        • lycium
        • 5 years ago

        They should market it as Windows Ja perhaps.

      • LoneWolf15
      • 5 years ago

      The Charms bar’s biggest suckage was its placement.

      Put a start button on the left. Then put the charms bar on the freakin’ right, making mouse users traverse the screen to get to it. Absolutely lovely on a 27″ non-touch LCD.

      What made sense for a touch OS was a complete PITA for every desktop OS out there.

    • Flatland_Spider
    • 5 years ago

    “Hi. I’m Joe Belifore, and yes, I think this haircut looks good.” 🙂

      • Ethyriel
      • 5 years ago

      Ah, the ol’ Rex Manning.

      • uni-mitation
      • 5 years ago

      The dude tries too hard.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 5 years ago

    With changes so nice they bumped the version number TWICE!

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