Windows 10 arrives today in 190 countries

Have you heard? Windows 10 is out today, and if you have a PC running Windows 7 or Windows 8, it's a free upgrade for the next year

Many websites have published their Windows 10 reviews, but Peter Bright's at Ars Technica deserves special recognition for its depth. Bright says Windows 10 is the best version yet–or at least it will be, once Microsoft squashes the bugs. In particular, he's happy to see Redmond acknowledge that most users need the desktop, though he thinks the new Start menu still needs work. You should read the full review. 

Other reviews around the internet universally praise Windows 10's improvements. Paul Thurrott recommends the operating system to all users. Engadget calls Windows 10 "the best of Windows 7 and Windows 8" and says that Cortana and Edge alone are worth the upgrade. TechRadar appreciates the new Start Menu and search features, but says Microsoft is "too bullish about the success of  Windows 10's Universal Apps." Wired loves Cortana, and calls Microsoft's virtual assistant "the most useful way by far to navigate Windows." The magazine thinks Cortana's voice recognition still needs some work, though.

If your PC isn't qualified for a free upgrade, or if you're building a new PC from our new System Guide, Windows 10 is available for purchase today, too. Newegg has Windows 10 Home for $119 and Windows 10 Pro for $199

Ben Funk

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    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    I have plenty of *nix systems that have upgraded, without bugs or issues, several have been upgraded over a dozen times without a single issue.

    Again, there is no real reason for a clean install on a *nix system unless you want to change the filesystem. If something does go wrong, it is usually because of a bad pref file. In a system wide case, rename it, reboot or restart the service. In a user pref issue, again rename it, logout then login. Done.

    • yeeeeman
    • 7 years ago

    I better get myself ready to push the cancel button. Since when are you obliged to accept and like a new product? Not everything new is better or necessary. So, the fact that Microsoft is giving it as a freeware just shows how desperate they are of determining you to make the switch. I’ll stick to Windows 7, full stop.

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    or have them go successfully. to be fair, I haven’t done one in a while, but when I did they weren’t impervious to upgrades. I complained enough about getting CLEAN INSTALLS to work without bugs.

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    they just sold their ad division…

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    personal attacks aren’t permitted on this site.

    • dmjifn
    • 7 years ago

    No… See, I took a risk and was trying to be funny in two different directions. “East Korea” was the low hanging “herp derp” comment to play off the previous “oh noes!!!” comment. Missile Command was the micronodule intersecting tech, game, and pertinent political commentary. I should not have mixed them!

    • Kaleid
    • 7 years ago

    Certainly you mean south?

    • trackerben
    • 7 years ago

    Well yes, although it’s not so hard anymore to setup for casual runs, ready-to-run vhds are easier to find. He was asking what’s there in 10 to recommend to 7 users in general, so I listed a few things off the top.

    • Krogoth
    • 7 years ago

    Microsoft is trying to usurp Google’s dominance in the ad and web search space by using the same MO with their OS. This is nothing really to do with NSA or anything similar. Microsoft is trying to snoop data to tailor the ads and Window Store to your search patterns.

    What set the precedent for this? Social Media and how the average user these days freely disseminates personal data without thinking about the possible consequences.

    • willmore
    • 7 years ago

    Thanks for the reply.

    Yes, I remember moving from Vista to Win 7 and I agree that it felt different. I’ll put this as a point in Win10’s favor.

    • dmjifn
    • 7 years ago

    You’re thinking East Korea. North Korea is into old school gaming, like Combat and Missile Command.

    • bjm
    • 7 years ago

    Impressive!

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    Gotta do something in the spare time for beer money.

    Edit: BTW, here are the nightly stats I get from just the servers I do manage, I also get a more detailed report every night on each individual one.

    Nightly Checks Stats: Ok: 74%, Errors: 16%, Warnings: 7% , Missing: 3% , Customers / Companies: 784 / 1074, Users: 5906 Slow Tests: 11 Win32 Exception: 5

    • Buzzard44
    • 7 years ago

    BUT WITHOUT DX12 HOW TEH KOREANS GONNA RULE LOL AND SC2 BRO?

    • bjm
    • 7 years ago

    He’s not retired. In addition to end-user help desk support for Ubuntu, openSuSE, Windows, FreeBSD, Solaris, and OpenBSD, Deanjo is also system admin for multiple production servers running each OS. In between help desk calls, he is a programming contractor for converting various code bases using his Titans that allows those cards to pay themselves.

    He’s a man of many talents, trust him–he has a personal anecdote to prove his street cred in every news post. And despite the many production systems where he is the PoC, all the Microsoft based systems consistently fail. And of course, those running Linux never do.

    • divide_by_zero
    • 7 years ago

    You hit it on the head with the “feel” of the machine. While it’s certainly not as big of a leap as that first taste of SMP or an SSD was, it’s definitely there.

    Good question with the crusty install vs. clean install, but definitely not something that I’d attribute to the state of the install. My job requires lots of fresh OS installs to test/validate different scenarios, and after I got over to the craptastic Win 8.1 UI (yay classic shell!) I started to notice how much more sluggish Win 7 felt by comparison. Same speedy feeling with 10, though it feels even more tweaked for speed than 8.1.

    Did you use Vista much? If so, remember how much peppier 7 felt after installing, even though Vista would usually benmark similarly on hardware of the era? The shift from 7 to 8.1/10 isn’t quite as pronounced, but it’s the best comparison I can think of at the moment.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    In my personal case, just to get them all running the same version and activate it. You have to activate the upgrade before you will be able to do a clean install in the future. Once that is done they are all being restored to openSUSE. Also when it comes to upgrading linux, it’s pretty painless. In my case I run zypper dup, done.

    With *nix based systems there is extremely little reason to ever do a clean install, the only reason that I can think of is if you wanted to switch the base OS filesystem.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    The only reason I’ve been installing them on my personal machines is to get the old windows all running the same version, activate, and then I’ll be wiping them and putting openSUSE back on them all so that I can reinstall Windows should I ever have some unknown reason to reinstall it. Saves me from tracking down which specific disk for which specific machine in the future.

    When I get rid of them for charity that way they will at least have the option to use Windows or Linux.

    • AJSB
    • 7 years ago

    *WHY* people do upgrades , be it of Windows or LINUX ?!?
    I never understood…much, much better to simply backup your docs and make a full clean install…

    • TwoEars
    • 7 years ago

    Cheater.

    😉

    • Ninjitsu
    • 7 years ago

    Ooh, fresh “dirt”.

    [quote<] “We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to.” [/quote<] [i<]Windows 10 Is Spying On You: Here’s How To Stop It[/i<] [url<]http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/07/30/windows-10-privacy-settings/[/url<]

    • Voldenuit
    • 7 years ago

    Yeah, and weirdly enough, MS says that once you rename your SSID with xxx_optout, it *still* takes several days for them to classify your network as ‘do not remember’, which makes me think the data is being handled centrally, and not client-side.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    260 Mbit down / 60 Mbit up at home with Sasktel Infinet. 40 Mbps up and down on the farm.

    PS there is another major ISP coming to Saskatoon, shhhh still a secret.

    And BTW, that is still Sasktel. Going through the research centres backbone. Pays to know people. ;D

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]Since most of us are too 'nice' to get a pirated version.[/quote<] Or nice enough to our MS rep to get free software ;D

    • atari030
    • 7 years ago

    ‘Something happened’ when I started using UNIX OSes. They ‘just worked’ so I continued to use them.

    • atari030
    • 7 years ago

    I’d say it is the case for many software products, but not most. My specific point being that Microsoft has a worse track record than most when it comes to implementing a half-baked product wherein the succeeding ‘Service Pack’ or ‘Patch Bundle’ or ‘Point Release’ or even ‘Major Release’ is really what should have gone out the door (e.g. Windows 7 vs Windows Vista…..Windows 8 vs Windows 8.1 being some prime examples).

    Unfortunately in this case we’re speaking about an Operating System and not some game……something people rely on to be able to function or do any work at all. Even if it is just the installer/upgrade process. People have gotten used to the mediocrity because there’s no other game in town for them.

    • anotherengineer
    • 7 years ago

    lolz Canada

    That’s probably the place where the most actual paid sales per capita come from lol

    Since most of us are too ‘nice’ to get a pirated version.

    • anotherengineer
    • 7 years ago

    I would be willing to assume that those results are from your business and not personal home link.

    edit – and I didn’t say your net sucked, I said you were out in the boonies Saskatchewan lol

    you know, where there is more groundhogs per square mile than people lol

    edit 2 – [url<]https://db-ip.com/198.169.125.140[/url<] hmmm that doesn't say Sasktel? Unless I am missing something.

    • Ninjitsu
    • 7 years ago

    You have to add _optout to the end of your SSID, apparently. Which of course creates a new issue that you have to re-enter the SSID on every device in your house, and on that of people (friends, family) who visit frequently and use your WiFi.

    • Ninjitsu
    • 7 years ago

    Microtransactions!

    • Ninjitsu
    • 7 years ago

    I was just making a Duracell joke. 😛

    And no, it’s not silly – it’s the other way around – upgrading to Windows 10 from 7 doesn’t have much of a point at the moment outside of a few use cases.

    Windows 10 does some things better than 7, but I either already have substitutes for those things on 7 or they’re not a “must have”. At the same time, I don’t like the UI as much, and it still has bugs to be ironed out, and I’m not in a mood to deal with this stuff at the moment. There’s also nothing [i<]wrong[/i<] with 7 that makes me want to upgrade. No DX12 games out yet, either, neither does Fermi have WDDM 2.0 support. Cortana isn't available in India. I'm unlikely to use Edge until it gets the Chrome extensions that I use (or at least, similar ones). So...what's the point of upgrading, again? EDIT: If there were no downsides to it (if the UI was Windows 7 but tweaked a bit here and there, the Control Panel wasn't split in two, the Start Menu still had the right side column, no 500 entry limit, etc.) then I'd upgrade. Right now I'll wait at best and not upgrade till 2020 at worst (I may move out next year, don't want my parents to deal with Win 10). I *might* upgrade my laptop though.

    • USAFTW
    • 7 years ago

    That’s why they give away W10 for free.

    • USAFTW
    • 7 years ago

    Iran, Syria, Zimbabwe, Canada, etc.

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    It’s not convoluted or confusing. They’ve clarified many times. Im familiar with it’s, thank you,but autocorrect exists.

    • Krogoth
    • 7 years ago

    Not true

    10 is just another evolutionary update of the NT 6.x dynasty (Vista, 7, 8, 8.1). Frankly, it offers no killer app to warrant an upgrade for the overwhelming of the users out there.

    • Krogoth
    • 7 years ago

    Virutalization is a non-issue for the majority of users. It is purely a professional-tier feature for workstations and servers not normal systems.

    • Krogoth
    • 7 years ago

    “Free” Windows 10 upgrade = Microsoft’s apology for mess-up known as Windows 8/8.1 while trying to wean users off 7/2008 R2.

    • Krogoth
    • 7 years ago

    There’s no killer app or reason for Windows 10 at this time.

    DX12 is going only matter when successor of Xbox One and PS4 come around and equipped with DX12 level hardware which will force developers to use it.

    Just look how long it took for DX10 to be use outside of demo techs and be a [b<]requirement[/b<].

    • Meadows
    • 7 years ago

    Not a very optimistic article, and not entirely correct, either. My main issue is it claims Windows is an inherently vulnerable platform when in fact its security has been on the better end of the spectrum for a few versions now.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    [url<]http://www.computerworld.com/article/2953307/microsoft-windows/windows-10-is-for-suckers.html[/url<]

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    North Korea had it two weeks ago.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    Lol, just finished one that was a nightmare. System originally had Windows 7 Home, then upgraded to Windows 7 Pro, then upgraded to Win 8 Pro, then upgraded to Windows 8.1 previously. Went to install the update, everything started looking fine, reboots, asks me for a Win 10 key….. and of course would not allow me to boot back the the Win 8.1 install. #$%^#%@^.

    OK reinstall, Windows 7 Home, install the nic driver, install SP1, can’t activate online, SLUI 4, do the telephone activation, good to go, upgrade to Windows 7 Pro, reboot, SOB, SLUI 4 again and do the telephone activation again, we are good again. Do the Win 10 Pro upgrade, finally finishes, check activation, nope, try online, nope, gives me a key already used error. Try phone activation again, enter a long set of damn numbers again, error, wait for MS rep, explain to him what is going on, he says keep trying and if it doesn’t work after 48 hours, call them back. Slammed the phone down, tried the online again, it worked this time.

    7 hours later……

    Worst thing is the only program that was even installed on that machine that was not MS was keeppass and firefox was fully updated before the upgrade was attempted. It should have been a breeze.

    Came to my big workstation install, I just said screw it and used one of my Enterprise keys and did a clean install right off the bat.

    • Nevermind
    • 7 years ago

    I got pro on sale.

    • Nevermind
    • 7 years ago

    Well no, I qualified it by saying there would likely be more bugs in a brand new OS than an existing one, which history bears out generally in brand new windows editions, and I also asked what the benefit would be considering how fucked the menu situation is (and that’s not getting better, that’s just a fucked up design choice they made with 8 and cemented with 10) and there is really no benefit to DX12 at all right now, because nobody uses it yet. So.. are you about to enlighten me to what the big win is here?

    • Pax-UX
    • 7 years ago

    Now Windows 7 had finished downloading the install files, as I could see the “Windows 10” failed in the normal Windows Update history before I started trying stuff.

    I’m in the same boat, got that one to start with…. then moved onto the boot.wim not found, followed by permissions error on creating the temporary folders which only happens when I run the Update from my SSD (C:) not my 512GB HD (D:)…. for fun I copied all the install files across to the other HD and it made the temp dirs ok, but now have a message about instructions not found.

    To be fair I’ve moved stuff like my user’s home folder onto my other HD (not the boot disk). And done some hand made mklink /h to fix my itunes libarary looking for files in a set location after changing my PC 5 years ago…. iTunes such a bag of crap. I’ve also done that for Virtual Box which like to write large files under the C:

    Guess it’s time to spend 2 days doing a clean windows7 install followed by 8 million patches then my Windows 10 update…. if only the ISO media I created without issue could just validate my PC like the Push update would…ffs….

    This is my second update of 7 to 10, first one went great!

    • Meadows
    • 7 years ago

    Well then, we know who to visit if we want to do something illegal online.

    • Meadows
    • 7 years ago

    It’s not stupid, it’s convenient. Which is often the opposite of secure.

    • VincentHanna
    • 7 years ago

    Like anyone uses IE anyway…

    • VincentHanna
    • 7 years ago

    $100?

    You use windows 7 home premium?

    • Krogoth
    • 7 years ago

    Preventing your system from leaking out passwords onto unwanted systems.

    The whole feature is pure stupidity and laziness. Some engineer at Microsoft didn’t think it through or some manager at a meeting though it was a “cool idea” to throw in despite the obvious security issues with it.

    • Meadows
    • 7 years ago

    Healthy amounts of paranoia.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    Meh, not like I had a lot to do today anyways and these clients are guys that I have done stuff for 20 years.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]And Deanjo doesn't have to worry about that since he lives in the boonies in Saskatchewan.[/quote<] Ehem..... [url<]http://www.speedtest.net/result/4542597063.png[/url<] Not really an issue for me.

    • Nevermind
    • 7 years ago

    The confusing/convoluted part is their business model making that leap in 1 step.

    Its, not it is = it’s.

    • Nevermind
    • 7 years ago

    Fair enough but I’ve BOUGHT every version of windows I own, and I build my own boxes.

    So for me, it’s very much $100 to free with nothing in between.

    • Nevermind
    • 7 years ago

    Ultimate is $140, so you’re wrong. And yes, I chose those words intentionally, for effect.

    You’re an idiot.

    • Andrew Lauritzen
    • 7 years ago

    Very true, good point!

    • ultima_trev
    • 7 years ago

    Spent the better part of eight hours trying to upgrade, just gave up and decided to reformat/clean install. After 14 hours I finally have Windows 10 Pro + my anti-malware apps, WoW and SWTOR. Still have several hundred gigs worth of games to download still, but asides from the time consuming process of reinstalling everything, I’d have to say it was worth it; This is the best O/S ever known to man thus far and I cannot wait until DX12! Kudos to Microsoft for another triumph over Google, IBM, RedHat, Novell, SuSe, and any others not worth mentioning.

    • Meadows
    • 7 years ago

    Actually, Windows is the bread and Office is the butter. Experts say you can sustain yourself on butter alone.

    • VincentHanna
    • 7 years ago

    Even if you didn’t select “keep nothing” you can use the “reset this PC” tool to wipe it.

    • anotherengineer
    • 7 years ago

    I just prefer having no phone 🙂

    • anotherengineer
    • 7 years ago

    LOLZ

    And Deanjo doesn’t have to worry about that since he lives in the boonies in Saskatchewan.

    lol

    • VincentHanna
    • 7 years ago

    Well, they won’t send out a flash-burst with every wifi password in their possession… [b<]IF[/b<] they are at your home, and [b<]IF[/b<] facebookfriendjoeblow is with them, at your house, then they'll pass off the password. Change your wifi password once a year when you change all your other passwords and replace the 9v in your smoke alarms and you'll be fine.

    • VincentHanna
    • 7 years ago

    Canada has one of those things too?

    I figured all telemarketers probably came door to door… And I figured that canadians probably then went to a bar and had a drink with them after the solicitation.

    How un-neighborly!

    • VincentHanna
    • 7 years ago

    Well, not to make excuses for them, but its a pretty decent solitaire remake, includes a half dozen game modes and the ads are minimal.

    No real reason to pay the fee.

    • Krogoth
    • 7 years ago

    Businesses are the bread and butter of Microsoft’s Windows division.

    If there is no killer app. There’s no reason for PHBs or sensible admins to upgrade from the 2008 R2/7 ecology.

    • chuckula
    • 7 years ago

    Thanks for all these stories guys! I’m going to bookmark this thread for the next time somebody says that installing Linux is too hard!

    • Omniman
    • 7 years ago

    I was using the Windows 10 ones from Realtek also. Turns out by installing the old OEM ones for me fixed the issue. The problem was the drivers thought I had a headset plugged in when I didn’t so I had sound via headset but not external speakers. Try using the old OEM ones and see if it clears up as much as it pains me to use ancient drivers 🙂

    • Voldenuit
    • 7 years ago

    Wat da fu…

    [url<]http://kotaku.com/rip-microsoft-solitaire-1990-2015-1720973007[/url<] $1.49/month or $9.99/year to play Solitaire sans ads? I know they legalized weed in WA, but I still want to know what the heck MS is smoking...

    • auxy
    • 7 years ago

    SSK is of Polandball? (*‘∀‘)

    • brothergc
    • 7 years ago

    it was a dell inspiron 3521

    • brothergc
    • 7 years ago

    realtec codec on my lappy , I have always used the drivers directly form realtek

    • d0g_p00p
    • 7 years ago

    Does anyone know what model laptop MS using on the Win10 download page? I really like what I see and would not mind checking out the model & specs, thanks all.

    [url<]http://postimg.org/image/8fmfvhxq9/full/[/url<]

    • End User
    • 7 years ago

    They added a System Builder URL later in the day which directed me to the online store. The purchased key allowed me to activate my build of Windows 10 Pro. I’m a happy camper.

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    what sound card?

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    what models?

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    this also, has been answered 100 times. Microsoft is giving windows 10 away so people will get on it’s ecosystem. they need users so people will make universal apps, so that their mobile os and other devices don’t flop. this isn’t confusing or convoluted.

    • VincentHanna
    • 7 years ago

    Strange, right? People like the OS, even though its not perfect?

    • VincentHanna
    • 7 years ago

    You said you were *never* upgrading, making your point about established vs non-established a non-sequitor.

    • VincentHanna
    • 7 years ago

    Another 10+ years of Long term support, vs 3…

    • VincentHanna
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]and windows 7-8 have no "extra" vulnerabilities AFAIK.[/quote<] Windows 7 has several known vulnerabilities that 10 does not have. [quote<]why MS makes us pay $140! for Windows 7 and then GIVES AWAY the "upgrade"...?[/quote<] Its actually a good question. I have several conspiracy theories that involve cable companies, Xbox, and backroom board meetings trying to encourage the rapid demise of the non-paid DVR... But honestly I think there is a simpler explanation. People just don't [b<]Buy[/b<] windows. Most people, when they upgrade to a new OS, do so because they are buying a new machine, not because "hey, I really like that bubble screensaver, that's cool! Now I gotta go buy a copy of vista!" So on the one hand, losses probably aren't as great as it would seem at first glance "giving away" 1bn copies of windows, and on the other hand, windows 10 earns residual revenue... Possibly even "decent" revenue once they flush out their new Xbox synergy a little... Plus, if windows 10 were to fail, in the rather spectacular fashion that 8 failed, MSFT might suffer very real losses in the short, medium and long term.

    • willmore
    • 7 years ago

    Can you quantify that ‘much faster’ aspect any? Is it something you can measure or is it just the ‘feel’ of the machine. If the latter, any chance it could be caused by “old, crusty win7 install vs new, clean win10 install”?

    I do remember when I built my first SMP box and the difference in UI feel between it and a single processor machine was noticeable–but I would have been hard pressed to have measured it in any meaningful way.

    Edited for spelling: WTF is “noticivle”?

    • VincentHanna
    • 7 years ago

    I predict you will be beaten to death by a vulcan, angry about that assault on his logic.

    • Omniman
    • 7 years ago

    I have the laptop no sound issue as well 🙁

    • Voldenuit
    • 7 years ago

    I personally find the real problem is even if I disable it, whenever I manually enter my network password into a visiting friend/relative’s computer, I run the risk of said friend/relative sharing the authorization with all their contacts.

    This feature pretty much requires all your friends and family to be technically and security savvy, and we all know how that’s going to turn out on a global scale, right?

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<] then go park out in front of their house in the middle of the night and use their WiFi without their knowledge.[/quote<] SSK doesn't have to worry about that, his net connection sucks. 😛

    • Shouefref
    • 7 years ago

    -> Cortana and Edge alone are worth the upgrade

    That’s funny: I use Firefox and I don’t care for Cortana. So I obviously don’t need W10.

    • Shouefref
    • 7 years ago

    The problem is you only know whether an OS is suitable for what you want, after you have been using if for at least a month.
    Reviews don’t mean a thing.

    • brothergc
    • 7 years ago

    I agree with you , I tryed it way to buggy and edge blows major chunks

    • cycomiko
    • 7 years ago

    Been going round in cirlces with hte KB2952664 update, which one side says ins installed, and the other tells me its not. Deleting it makes no differnece, installing it again makes no difference.

    Will likely move directly to the download

    • just brew it!
    • 7 years ago

    If you leave it enabled, then every time you add someone to one of your social networks you need to ask yourself, “Am I comfortable allowing this person to connect to my WiFi?”

    Seems to me there’s a very real possibility of social engineering attacks exploiting this. Want to do something illegal online? Get an acquaintance who lives nearby to “friend” you on Facebook, or add you to their Skype contacts; then go park out in front of their house in the middle of the night and use their WiFi without their knowledge.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 7 years ago

    Turns out my prognostication just sucks. Lol

    • divide_by_zero
    • 7 years ago

    I’m surprised no one has offered this as a reason for you to upgrade in the long term: 10 is much, much faster than 7. I use a few Win 7 systems on a regular basis (not pokey boxes, ether – SSDs, gobs of RAM, etc) and Win 10 feels substantially faster.

    That being said, I certainly wouldn’t recommend updating right away (I’ve seen like 2 or 3 new builds of Intel GPU drivers get pushed via Windows Update on 10TP in the past ~week, and Nvidia doesn’t even have WDDM 2.0 drivers out for their Fermi cards yet. If companies with those levels of resources are scrambling like this, they sure aren’t the only ones.)

    • willmore
    • 7 years ago

    I guess he didn’t understand my premise. I was asking “What improvements *vs win7*”. Improvements of things they broke in Win8 don’t count. 🙂

    • Voldenuit
    • 7 years ago

    So you’re saying you have no problem sharing your network password with every contact in your friends’ Outlook, Skype and Facebook lists?

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    Around 25 upgrades right now, 7 reverts, all USA English.

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    If you’re so entirely stuck on the mediocre 7 start menu that all the other upgrades are meaningless, i’m not sure what to tell you. The improvements have been listed many different times and places. they run from Cortana to security, and they’re significant.
    EVEN THE VERGE PRAISED IT AS A FANTASTIC OS. EVEN THE [i<] VERGE!! [/i<]

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    outside of a corporate totally locked down machine why would you ever do this?

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    How many machines have you actually upgraded and what languages? I’ve only done surface pros, a newish Lenovo laptop, and custom machines. I read that many of the issues are language pack related. I’ve done about 15ish, and as I said, only had a problem with one, but they were all running USA English. Quite a variety of hardware, some core 2 systems to a 4790k, but most seemed ok.
    They claim a rate of 16 upgrades a second, so there are going to be issues.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    Amazingly enough, the least amount of trouble with the upgrades so far have been from Mac’s running bootcamp. On those systems the upgrade system seems to “just work” and doesn’t try to wipe out the bootloader like older versions of windows tried.

    Edit: It even installed the current GeForce 353.62 drivers right off the bat.

    • Voldenuit
    • 7 years ago

    The Double Picard.

    [url<]http://www.pcworld.com/article/2951824/windows/how-to-disable-windows-10s-wi-fi-sense-password-sharing.html[/url<]

    • Meadows
    • 7 years ago

    JBI has just said that’s no “difference” but apparently a status quo for most software products.

    • wingless
    • 7 years ago

    There are only 196 countries at the present moment. Are you worried you, or a loved one, is in one of the remaining 6? If they are in one of those 6 then they likely have other concerns than getting Windows 10. DX12 won’t help your situation in, say, North Korea….

    • atari030
    • 7 years ago

    The main difference being that Microsoft is simply NOTORIOUS for this. Across almost all of their products.

    • brothergc
    • 7 years ago

    hosed both of my windows 7 machines , a lappy and a desktop both ivy bridge machines , put my desktop in a bootloop and my lappy with no sound so I am passing on window 10 upgrade mess , hope others have better luck

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]In other words, download classic shell for the time being?? ;)[/quote<] Just tried the 4.2.3 build and Windows 10 did not like it at all. Kept flashing the screen everytime you clicked the start button. One time it would show classic shell, the next click it shows MS start, click again back to classic......

    • Nevermind
    • 7 years ago

    “Of magnitude” isn’t really the phrase first off, and the “magnitude” you’re not accounting for is the ratio of brand new bugs to brand new OS, compared to an existing up-to-date OS.

    The menu bullshit is horrible on 8 and 10, (9 probably so bad they pretend it never existed..)
    and DX12 will probably not be a great benefit for a while anyway, so “why” is a fair question?

    What’s the upside?

    • Sabresiberian
    • 7 years ago

    Win 7 is $100 on Newegg, not $140.

    And if you are saying Microsoft releases Windows in an alpha state – you clearly have no clue what “alpha testing” is.

    • trackerben
    • 7 years ago

    “Up” (Alt + Up arrow shortcut) to the left of the url field in file explorer, to reverse traverse directories old-school like in XP.

    Miracast is good for wirelessly projecting to others’ TVs and conference screens, especially when travelling. [url<]https://www.thurrott.com/hardware/1454/use-microsoft-wireless-display-adapter[/url<] Hyper-V gen2 to virtualize windows images for systems testing and migration, lower-cost production. Many use it to silo application/OS instances for compartmental security.

    • anotherengineer
    • 7 years ago

    “Peter Bright’s at Ars Technica…………..says Windows 10 is the best version yet–or at least it will be, once Microsoft squashes the bugs………………..he thinks the new Start menu still needs work.”

    In other words, download classic shell for the time being?? 😉

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    they are, or on flash drives.

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    10 is of magnitude better than 7. holding on to it, outside of a few use cases, is really silly.

    • Meadows
    • 7 years ago

    There shouldn’t even be a limit at all. We do have more than 640 kB of memory nowadays.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 7 years ago

    Think he means the ribbon show/hide button, but that’s present on 8.1 as well. The ribbon wasn’t in Win 7 so its show/hide button is irrelevant.

    • willmore
    • 7 years ago

    ‘up button’??

    Native Miracast. Cast things *to* my PC or from? To might be of mild interest, but from would be useless to me. Might be interesting to business types doing a presentation.

    XBox? Nope.

    Hyper-V Gen2 and vhdx? What is this?

    • Ethyriel
    • 7 years ago

    I’m taking one for the team. I’ll upgrade my X220 that I use at home right away, and my T450s at work in the next month or so once I feel good about it on my X220.

    Our EMR doesn’t work well with IE versions upgraded beyond what ships with the Windows version. So I’m really looking forward to Edge and the typical bookmark redirection and GPO capabilities.

    • Voldenuit
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]Paul Thurrott recommends the operating system to all users[/quote<] When I read his article, I noticed that the writeup on any single feature is shorter than the description of bugs which followed.

    • Firestarter
    • 7 years ago

    I would downgrade by doing whatever Microsoft instructs me to do for that, and after that is complete I’d restore the old image. Less chance of messing something up that way.

    • DrDominodog51
    • 7 years ago

    Now it’s time to install Windows 7 Professional and get my free upgrade to 10 Pro

    • trackerben
    • 7 years ago

    File Explorer Up button? Native Miracast? XBox interoperability? Hyper-V Gen2 and vhdx?

    • Ninjitsu
    • 7 years ago

    Because Windows 7 lasts long, really long.

    • anotherengineer
    • 7 years ago

    Hey Ben, is there a link to the list of the 190 countries??

    • trackerben
    • 7 years ago

    A-ha. You’ve discovered the Windows Top 500 feature.

    • w76
    • 7 years ago

    Uh, it’s Krogoth.

    • [+Duracell-]
    • 7 years ago

    Ah, I glossed over that part of the article. That sucks 🙁 I’m sure it’ll be fixed relatively quickly. It’s a really odd arbitrary limit to begin with.

    • FireGryphon
    • 7 years ago

    After reading RPS and a bunch of other previews, I’m sticking with my W8.1 with Classic Start Menu. If third party hacks can fully customize Start menu and make a coherent Control Panel application, I’ll get W10.

    • tanker27
    • 7 years ago

    You’re right I just noticed that. I guess maybe I can use it on all my machines????

    Edit I found a link its for VMs: [url<]https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en-US/64664170-2526-4adc-a895-b7f6d5dcb159/which-license-key-should-i-use-for-vms-on-windows-server-2008-r2-datacentre-edition?forum=winservergen[/url<] I guess??? Super ninja Edit: Read MAK: [url<]https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/licensing/existing-customer/FAQ-product-activation.aspx[/url<] it seems I have 500 activations using one key according to my account. HEHEHE

    • [+Duracell-]
    • 7 years ago

    Why?

    • Voldenuit
    • 7 years ago

    That’s 500 *entries*, not 500 programs.

    If you install something that has a readme, config utility, uninstaller, safe mode and regular executable, that’s 5 entries already.

    And if you read the ars article, uninstalling stuff to get you under the limit doesn’t restore entries that were lost over the upper bound.

    It’s a giant facepalm.

    • [+Duracell-]
    • 7 years ago

    Who cares about finicky admins? More importantly, are you impressed?

    • [+Duracell-]
    • 7 years ago

    500 Start Menu item entries. If you get that high, you might need to reconsider what entries you deem important or uninstall some rarely-used programs, anyways.

    • Welch
    • 7 years ago

    Im curious if someone could make system image using something like Acronis of their Windows 7, do an upgrade and if it sucks just restore the other image… assuming MS doesn’t magically disable the windows 7 key…?

    • Welch
    • 7 years ago

    Amazing info there MS.

    I sure hope none of my users (home or business) get the bright idea to self upgrade today… I’m out of state!

    • just brew it!
    • 7 years ago

    It should not surprise anyone though. Major version releases of software are ALMOST ALWAYS about adding new features; improving stability and fixing bugs are secondary considerations. With new features you inevitably get new bugs and the occasional regression. This pattern is not limited to Windows, or to Microsoft, or even to commercial software (one need look no further than the rocky history of the major Linux desktop environments to realize that Open Source suffers from it as well).

    I think it is part of human nature — marketing people and developers alike WANT to add the sexy new features. Dealing with bugs is less exciting. Throw in a healthy does of (over)optimism (“I’m sure this time will be much better, we’ve learned our lesson from last time!”) and history repeats.

    • Andrew Lauritzen
    • 7 years ago

    BTW after doing this a couple dozen times in the tech preview (sadly…), there’s really no need to make a USB key unless you need to install on a different drive, change partitions, etc. Just mounting or “extracting” the ISO and running the setup utility there will let you do a “keep nothing” install. I’m not 100% sure on the technical details but every time I’ve done it I’ve ended up with a system that is effectively fresh with nothing lingering around; I’ve never had to go back and do a raw install from media, unlike some cases where you “keep your files/apps”, etc. although I must admit Win10 is more solid for that than in the past as well.

    Just a FYI for folks to save some time.

    • Andrew Lauritzen
    • 7 years ago

    Ugh, my condolences man. Software upgrades are always a pain in the ass for support/IT (been there) and this one is likely to invent new categories of weirdness.

    • HisDivineOrder
    • 7 years ago

    In their eyes, they’re the only client that REALLY needs your help anyway.

    • Meadows
    • 7 years ago

    I’m a little bit dismayed that we’re still having to run the same old “wait until the first service pack” circles, except maybe the update will be called something else this time.

    • Leader952
    • 7 years ago

    Believe it or not I still have a working Windows 98SE machine that I occasionally use even now.

    I purchased an expensive ($3500) software for Schematic and manual and auto-routing printed circuit boards. That software used dongles for DRM that attach to a parallel port. The software also drives the display card directly (pre DX days).

    I also have a Xeltex Eprom programmer and a Logic Analyzer that only plugs into ISA slots.

    I am retired now but still like to design and build stuff.

    • End User
    • 7 years ago

    Is Microsoft not selling full versions of Windows 10 via download?

    • Leader952
    • 7 years ago

    And be careful on any HTPC’s that are using Windows Media Center as the upgrade to 10 Will Remove it.

    On the two Windows 7 HTPC’s that are running Windows Media Center I have removed the kb3035583 Get Windows 10 nag.

    [url<]http://www.infoworld.com/article/2907472/operating-systems/windows-10-upgrade-nagware-patch-kb-3035583-now-marked-important-on-some-win7-pcs.html[/url<]

    • just brew it!
    • 7 years ago

    That’s the exact same progression I followed. For a while back in the late ’90s I effectively had two primary desktops (one 98SE and one NT4) which I bounced back and forth between using a KVM. I used 98SE for gaming and anything that needed USB connectivity, NT4 for pretty much everything else.

    • Leader952
    • 7 years ago

    [quote<]yep, I'm one of those people who never upgraded to 8/8.1[/quote<] Same for me. I also never ran Vista, held out on XP until 7 (which I still am running on). P.S. Also never had Windows ME. From Windows 3.1 -> 95 -> 98 -> 98SE -> NT4/2000 -> XP -> 7 Skipped: ME, Vista, 8/8.1

    • HisDivineOrder
    • 7 years ago

    Should anyone be trying so hard to force an upgrade even Microsoft is apparently reluctant to offer them? 😉

    • ImSpartacus
    • 7 years ago

    Waiting until the last few weeks of the free upgrade period is the best route.

    By then, bugs well be ironed out and dx12 well probably see more use.

    Until then win7 is just fine.

    • Nevermind
    • 7 years ago

    Pro is not Ultimate. Ultimate price, ultimately useless encryption regime..

    • Nevermind
    • 7 years ago

    The NSA gets the new 0-days either way..

    • superjawes
    • 7 years ago

    Speaking of stuff happening, we’re having some fun with #somethinghappened over in the Twitterverse for any Twits out there.

    • southrncomfortjm
    • 7 years ago

    To be fair, the subtitle to the site is “PC Hardware Explored” rather than software. I think that gives Damage an out.

    • Nevermind
    • 7 years ago

    Having just read the RPS article there’s no foooking way I’m installing that shate. Ever.

    • Wirko
    • 7 years ago

    Then you’re depraised.

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    you CAN always enabled by setting your computers region and language to USA.

    • Meadows
    • 7 years ago

    Reminds me of Stephen King’s “Revival”.

    • Meadows
    • 7 years ago

    [url<]http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/[/url<] 500 app limit? Mircosfot pls

    • Damage
    • 7 years ago

    I’ll get right on that.

    • Krogoth
    • 7 years ago

    Admins everywhere are not impressed.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    I’m registered on the national Do Not Call list. 😛

    • derFunkenstein
    • 7 years ago

    /applause

    “William Shatner, everyone!”

    • anotherengineer
    • 7 years ago

    How come I don’t have your number???? 😉

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    Old clients never accept retirement as a reason not to help them. You just have that much more time to help them out in their eyes.

    • anotherengineer
    • 7 years ago

    Thought you were retired lol

    Just think of that phone as more play money lol

    Wish I had that ‘problem’

    • Nevermind
    • 7 years ago

    “I would have liked… to have seen… Cortana.”

    -Dies

    • Eggrenade
    • 7 years ago

    What about TR’s in-depth review? C’mon Scott, it’s not like there’s any upcoming hardware you need to pay special attention to.

    • anotherengineer
    • 7 years ago

    Will wait for SP1, I mean 10.1. Maybe combine with classic shell for the Win7 look also, we’ll see.

    Thing that concerns me is if I add an additional SSD or upgrade the video card is W10 going to give me grief in regards to activation/re-activation??

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    Yay, a new error!!!

    [url<]http://s27.postimg.org/4j7l2v8hv/upgrade_fail_2.jpg[/url<]

    • Ninjitsu
    • 7 years ago

    Rock, Paper, Shotgun: [url=http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/07/29/windows-10-review/<]Should You Upgrade To Windows 10?[/url<] AnandTech: [url=http://www.anandtech.com/show/9472/windows-10-launch-day-gpu-support-summary<]Windows 10 Launch Day GPU Support Summary[/url<]

    • Ninjitsu
    • 7 years ago

    Yeah, but that seems to be one of the key praises.

    • just brew it!
    • 7 years ago

    I’ll probably load a copy up in a VM around that timeframe. Until then I’m sticking with Linux and my Windows 7 VM (yep, I’m one of those people who never upgraded to 8/8.1).

    • TheMonkeyKing
    • 7 years ago

    I was using the Technical Previews so that I would not be ambushed by issues at work or home. Unfortunately, I tried to install the release version and it failed because it did not detect my Bluetooth Logitech MX 5000 keyboard and mouse combo. I got the mouse to work but I had to plug an old PS/2 keyboard in to get those functions back.

    Tried to use the Logitech installer but that failed too. I need to find the location in Win10 where it blocks incoming Internet traffic at the application layer. Does anyone know where that is in Win10?

    Also, I made a profile but because I have Windows Live login, it changes the profile to that user/password combination which has a bitch to remember password. So be aware of that. I guess Win10 is truly tied to the network whether or not you just want something that’s not always on the net.

    • Concupiscence
    • 7 years ago

    Sometimes it’s worse than others.

    • Dizzytaz00
    • 7 years ago

    this wasn’t so bad in the insider program. What hell did they do to it? I’m also running on a bx100 250gb & having No problems.

    • TwoEars
    • 7 years ago

    Then you don’t have Cortana.

    • Neutronbeam
    • 7 years ago

    As (I got this statement in a fortune cookie once, really) life is to me a daring and bold adventure, I have done 7 in-place upgrades so far from updating technical reviews>RTM versions, both Pro and Home. Had one issue that a Win 10 beta ATI driver seems to have fixed.

    The machines range from dual core 2008 laptops and to Nehalem and Haswell desktops to brand new Broadwell laptop 2015 delivered last week. Manufacturers include Acer, HP, MSI and ASUS. Again, no showstopper issues so far. Waiting until September to update my son’s Lenovo gaming laptop.

    So far so good….

    • Ninjitsu
    • 7 years ago

    And what if your country doesn’t get Cortana?

    • [+Duracell-]
    • 7 years ago

    I don’t think it’s a big problem given how they’ve been releasing new builds and fixes on a frequent basis to Insiders.

    • Nevermind
    • 7 years ago

    They ALWAYS do this.

    • Concupiscence
    • 7 years ago

    Thank you. I’ll avoid rolling it out to my workstation until further notice… Maybe it’s time to give my testbed rig something to do.

    • Nevermind
    • 7 years ago

    Early adopters become early amputees.

    • Nevermind
    • 7 years ago

    You forgot the sarcasm tag, first time? Sure, and I bet MS used a condom every time too.

    • Nevermind
    • 7 years ago

    Exactly my question. Why early adopt? We KNOW Microsoft loves alpha testing their OS.
    Typically it takes them a full year to get around to knowing all the flaws for a major service pack, and windows 7-8 have no “extra” vulnerabilities AFAIK. It also begs the question as why MS makes us pay $140! for Windows 7 and then GIVES AWAY the “upgrade,” altruists? Suddenly?

    • TwoEars
    • 7 years ago

    If you don’t have the Update Icon in the notification tray make sure you update and install ALL automatic updates, including IE11. Reboot and wait a while.

    Still no luck go here and run the trobleshooter: [url<]https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/kb/3081048[/url<] Still no luck try this script: [url<]http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-get-the-windows-10-upgrade-icon-if-its-missing/[/url<] Still no luck direct download here (choose update since you won't have a key otherwise): [url<]https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10[/url<]

    • Dizzytaz00
    • 7 years ago

    i might suggest holding off, after the upgrade botched. I’m waiting to do a usb install from the iso.

    • Leader952
    • 7 years ago

    I plan to wait this out (the free Win10 update) and update at year end when hopefully the critical/annoying bugs have been squashed.

    • Concupiscence
    • 7 years ago

    I may pull the trigger tonight. If there’s not a dedicated thread spawned elsewhere, I will.

    • Concupiscence
    • 7 years ago

    Vista’s release to business clients in 2006 was in pretty rough shape, too. The release to OEMs at large in 2007 was more stable, but still warty. I’d like for Windows 10 to be good, but hurling it at customers before it’s ready won’t do anyone any favors.

    • Concupiscence
    • 7 years ago

    My heart goes out to you. And that image gives me flashbacks to the day the Windows Phone YouTube app had its certification revoked, giving me the most infuriating error message I have ever seen:

    “Something happened and we don’t know what.”

    • Dizzytaz00
    • 7 years ago

    Your not the only one having botched upgrade today. I’m still recovering from this mornings install that didn’t responded after finished install. like froze my laptop.

    • hasseb64
    • 7 years ago

    Just tell me to install when all bugs are out –> White person w. std comp and std games
    Thanks!

    • ronch
    • 7 years ago

    First time I’ve seen a new Windows version with allegedly many bugs/kinks yet to be fixed. Are they really in this much of a hurry to get it out?

    • torquer
    • 7 years ago

    Insert ignorant FUD about forced annual subscriptions for Windows after year 1 here.

    • superjawes
    • 7 years ago

    I brought popcorn and bourbon. Let’s kick back and watch what happens…

    • willmore
    • 7 years ago

    Considering I would never use Cortana nor Edge, is there much to recommend Win 10 for a stable Win 7 user?

    I’m likely to wait until the end of the first year or until games force me to move to DX12.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    That is right from the update. Encountered it 3 times so far.

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    is that not from the TP?
    the rtm update should look like this: [url<]http://s18.postimg.org/nxpq27m61/preerror.png[/url<]

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    People that call me are from all over NA.

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    one of the keys is a “multiple activation key” for pro. not sure what that means.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    Nope. That is the real deal.

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    I’ve got it.

    • sweatshopking
    • 7 years ago

    as anecdotally as yours, I’ve done roughly 12 upgrades and only had an issue with one. Didn’t figure it out either, just did a full install.

    but who’s doing windows 10 upgrades at 4:30am in Sask.

    • LauRoman
    • 7 years ago

    Which countries are left out, aside from North Korea?

    • NeelyCam
    • 7 years ago

    Geez… I hope that screen cap is just a joke

    • Prestige Worldwide
    • 7 years ago

    Pro every time. Don’t limit yourself.

    • tanker27
    • 7 years ago

    Yeah I download my ISOs on Monday evening, Maybe its a phased rollout with MSDN holders too.

    I think I answered my own question as to which to run and thats Pro. Can’t join domains with Home also cant RDP either. Two things I use constantly.

    • DancinJack
    • 7 years ago

    Can you all install and let me know if you have issues? kthx 🙂

    • Ryhadar
    • 7 years ago

    Hmmmm I didn’t see Windows 10 on my MSDN subscription yesterday. Maybe I didn’t look hard enough but all I saw were the technical previews, not the RTM.

    • Deanjo
    • 7 years ago

    Just shutting off the phone today and not answering it. Been ringing off the hook with botched upgrades since 4:30 am.

    Obligatory helpful screenshot.

    [url<]http://s10.postimg.org/knwqxwo0p/Something_Happened.jpg[/url<]

    • tanker27
    • 7 years ago

    So MSDN received theirs on Monday. But I am scratching my head as to what to run, Home or Pro. Normally I would run Pro without batting an eye but I am scratching my head on this. (I know I dont want automatic downloads, which Pro gives me control over. But what about ‘other’ things.)

    Edit: Oh and damn MS for only giving us 5 keys for each version instead of the normal 10!

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