Microsoft delays Windows 10 Mobile and Lumia updates

Users looking forward to Windows 10 Mobile are going to have to wait a little longer. According to VentureBeat, Microsoft is delaying the release of the new operating system, and has now settled on a February launch.

This marks the second delay for the release of Windows 10 Mobile, which was supposed to have originally come out in December. The site says the bad news was sent to Microsoft partners via e-mail, although the company apparently refrained from stating an exact reason for the delay.

That's not all, though. That same e-mail states that the January software update for the Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL handsets will be equally delayed to at least February. While good software is generally preferable to early software, these successive delays can't be helping Windows Mobile's struggling market share.

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    • BaronMatrix
    • 4 years ago

    Microsoft still has partners for Windows Phone…? I can’t find a single HTC or anything else with Windows…

      • RickyTick
      • 4 years ago

      I don’t think you’re looking very hard.
      HTC One M8
      Blu Win HD
      LG Lancet
      Huawei

    • LoneWolf15
    • 4 years ago

    I bought a Lumia 640 just to play around with the Insider builds. Depending on the time-frame, you can find one with no contract (e.g., AT&T GoPhone which will work with all of their MVNOs as well) for $45-60. For that price, you get a sharp 5″ 720P IPS LCD screen, 1GB RAM, 8GB of storage (expandable to 128GB via SD card), Snapdragon 400 CPU, wifi, bluetooth, GPS, NFC, SensorCore (integrates with Microsoft’s fitness bands) and knock-knock wake sensor. The HERE Maps are also downloadable for offline use (so you can use it as a complete GPS even without cellular data if you get them over WiFi). It’s an incredible bargain, and it’s well-constructed. If you want a smartphone and you need it cheap, you should pick one up –and you can turn off the cellular data if you want a phone plan, and only data when on WiFi. Cortana is also on par with Siri and Google Now.

    Having said that, Microsoft was right to delay the release. WP 8.1 runs great on the Lumia 640. WP 10 runs…okay. It’s a bit slower. The touch screen isn’t as sensitive and sometimes loses taps. Some apps crash. Microsoft Edge has a back button, but not a forward button (something someone should have thought of). Apps occasionally crash without warning. I’d call the latest Insider preview a late beta, not an RC or an RTM release.

    WP 8.1 and 10 actually show where the Tiles interface actually works –on phones. There are a few missing apps I’d like to see, but for the money, the Lumia 640 can’t be beat.

      • bittermann
      • 4 years ago

      I have about the same experience as you. At $40 plus an AT&T Go plan it is one hech of a bargain for a smartphone.

    • Shouefref
    • 4 years ago

    If I would burn a lot of money on a phone, I would by a Blackberry.
    And if I wouldn’t, I would chose one with Firefox OS.

      • sweatshopking
      • 4 years ago

      NICE! THE TWO CRAPPIEST OPERATING SYSTEMS ON THE MARKET. i’m canadian and I wouldn’t touch a BB, though i’m hearing the priv isn’t terrible.

        • End User
        • 4 years ago

        Blackberry is not an operating system.

          • sweatshopking
          • 4 years ago

          YOU SURE ABOUT THAT, SON?! [url<]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_OS[/url<] or [url<]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_10[/url<] OUCH, THIS ONE MUST STING

            • End User
            • 4 years ago

            Thank you for confirming my original statement. 🙂

            • sweatshopking
            • 4 years ago

            SOME TIMES, EU, I WORRY ABOUT YOU.

        • Srsly_Bro
        • 4 years ago

        lol who cares if you’re from canada. i’m from america and i wouldn’t touch a blackberry.

          • curtisb
          • 4 years ago

          His point was that Blackberry is a Canadian company.

            • Srsly_Bro
            • 4 years ago

            I know, but to assume because a person shares the same nationality as a company he should owe a duty to that company is irrational. I was just making a point. Usually Auxy takes care of Josh’s irrational tendencies.

            Sup?

            • sweatshopking
            • 4 years ago

            You also know I don’t care about nationalities too, and view patriotism is a mild form of insanity. I was just being silly. poopy pants

            • Srsly_Bro
            • 4 years ago

            Go on skype so i can continue with my taunting!

            • sweatshopking
            • 4 years ago

            I JUST FIXED IT!!

        • BobbinThreadbare
        • 4 years ago

        They’re both better than PalmOS I think.

          • LoneWolf15
          • 4 years ago

          WebOS, the PalmOS successor showed promise. HP was just too much of an ADD child “We want instant profitz! Teh shareholderz!” to get things right. They didn’t create enough incentive for app developers, and when things didn’t get going for them within a 6-10 month timetable, they dropped the whole thing.

          A better company than HP during that time (with a better board of directors) might have had a chance.

        • destroy.all.monsters
        • 4 years ago

        Multitasking wise BB10 is the best I’ve seen. Also the hub is awesome. Admittedly the app ecosystem is a tragic wasteland only to be made worse by the cessation of the Built for Blackberry program. Running Android apps on it to fill the gap is what most owners do.

        Looks like the QNX-based line will end up corporate-only with all consumer bets on the Android phones coming out.

        But the operating system itself crappy? No.

      • LoneWolf15
      • 4 years ago

      See my post on the Lumia 640 and price. And good luck with Firefox OS as it’s discontinued.

    • RickyTick
    • 4 years ago

    Sad to say, but it’s over for Windows Phone.

    Here’s a quote from none other the Paul Thurrott
    [i<]"Even if Surface Phone is that dream phone you pine for—a Surface-branded and styled wonder with Windows desktop app compatibility through Continuum, high-end specs and a camera that puts the over-credited Lumia 1020 to shame—it’s not going to “save” Windows phone. That ship has sailed. Please, for your own sake. Wake up."[/i<]

      • sweatshopking
      • 4 years ago

      I’d still buy it

        • drfish
        • 4 years ago

        Me too.

          • Ryhadar
          • 4 years ago

          Yup. Same.

            • dashbarron
            • 4 years ago

            Indeed! Lumia 950 anyone?

            Can we call ourselves the 4 phones of the apocalypse?

            • sweatshopking
            • 4 years ago

            the 950 didn’t offer enough over my 1520 to justify the price (plus i’d want the 950xl). I’ll wait for now, especially since i’ll be out of the country and in nations with basically no internet for much of this year.

        • RickyTick
        • 4 years ago

        Well I guess the Windows Phone is still an excellent device, much the same way as a Pontiac, Saturn, Plymouth are excellent automobiles.

        I spent 2-1/2 years on a Windows Phone and loved it, and if it makes a miraculous rebound I’ll go back to it. Otherwise, it’s all but over.

      • Hinton
      • 4 years ago

      Windows Phone is dead because it doesn’t run some obscure app!

      If only people bought smartphones, with what they actually use in mind.

      /oh wait they do.

        • VincentHanna
        • 4 years ago

        I think you misread the quote. Windows phone has the potential to be 10x as compatible as any other mobile platform… especially with bluestacks and whatnot.

        The reason windows phone as a platform is dead, is because of their commitment to ugly square tiles, more than anything. People have seen what windows phone has, and doesn’t have, and they have voted with their wallets. Adding new features, like continuum won’t bring them back, unless they can pull another [s<]con[/s<] rabbit out of their hat like they did with surface. inventing a "new product category" to prevent people from comparing their devices (at all) to whatever else is available.

          • Ryhadar
          • 4 years ago

          I’d say one of the major reasons windows phone isn’t doing well at all in the US is because of Microsoft’s ridiculous notion that they can get away with carrier exclusivity. Admittedly this was the fault of Nokia and other windows phone handset manufacturers as well.

          There also isn’t any marketing at all. Many people I’ve shown my windows phone to don’t even realize the operating system exists (“Oh! What android phone is that?”).

          I disagree that WP’s UI has much at all to do with the platform’s failure. Since the UI so starkly contrasts android/apple I’d even go so far to say it’s one of the major reasons people buy them at all (myself included).

            • sweatshopking
            • 4 years ago

            Microsoft had carrier exclusives because [i<] the carriers demanded it. [/i<] no carriers wanted nokia phones, and even with exclusives still didn't bother actually selling them.

            • BobbinThreadbare
            • 4 years ago

            They could have sold unlocked phones through Best Buy et all and subsidized them with their own pockets if they really wanted to push them.

            • sweatshopking
            • 4 years ago

            Are you suggesting that microsoft store.com or bestbuy even have the reach and push of all the carriers?

            • BobbinThreadbare
            • 4 years ago

            I’m suggesting that if you do the same things as everyone else, but worse, you get worse results than them. They should have tried something different.

            • sweatshopking
            • 4 years ago

            They have, and do sell unlocked phones. The problem wasn’t that unlocked phones weren’t available, it’s that they didn’t pay the salespeople. Big Bonuses on a per phone sale basis would have clinched it.

            • VincentHanna
            • 4 years ago

            Lack of hype and sheep appeal, lack of availability, lack of consumer choices. I won’t disagree that these things weigh heavily on the Windows-phone platforms….

            And I also won’t disagree that windows phone is “starkly different” from what android/apple offer (though not for lack of trying on Samsung’s part… *cough, magazine UI, what?)

            However, there is a difference between being shocking, and being inviting. Of those people who see your phone and say “I didn’t even know this existed,” presumably during the context of an overwhelmingly positive word of mouth review, how many then say, “I am going to [b<]make sure[/b<] that my next phone is a nokia?" Because THAT is the difference between a dying platform and a thriving one. I've seen those studies that say that nokia gets less floor space per device than other brands(possibly because they only make a handful of phones? no, certainly not), but in my experience, shoppers review every one of the 5-10 choices availible in their price range, and not just the one, or two shown them by the sales guy (who doesn't even acknowledge you for 20 minutes after you enter the store anyway.) Pretending that nokia's weakness is either due to luck, or conspiratorial suppression of their product, is just a cop-out. Also, In case you are curious, my next phone very likely will be a Nokia or WP.

          • chµck
          • 4 years ago

          [quote<]People have seen what windows phone has, and doesn't have, and they have voted with their wallets.[/quote<] Nah, people have seen what store reps have shown them (high commission iphones and android devices).

            • VincentHanna
            • 4 years ago

            I’ve seen those studies that say that Nokia gets less floor space per device than other brands(possibly because they only make a handful of phones? no, certainly not), but in my experience, shoppers review every one of the 5-10 choices available in their price range, and not just the one or two shown them by the sales guy (who doesn’t even acknowledge you for 20 minutes after you enter the store anyway.) Pretending that Nokia’s weakness is either due to luck, or conspiratorial suppression of their product, is just a cop-out.

            The reason that sales people focus on iPhone and Samsung is partly because they get a better commission, but that wouldn’t matter if people were beating down the door and asking for Nokia phones by name.

            • sweatshopking
            • 4 years ago

            My cousin worked for 10 years as a telus sales person in Red Deer alberta. She has sold thousands of phones to thousands of customers, and her experience was that people buy whatever phone they’re told to by the rep. some people check, but the vast majority don’t.

            • Vhalidictes
            • 4 years ago

            MS could have 35% market share. But they didn’t buy any telco salespeople. Boom, done.

            It doesn’t help that the MS/Nokia section is in the back left, but that’s a minor problem compared to customers not being shown the phones.

            This is one of the very few problems that can be solved with wads of cash. MS has wads of cash. Conclusion? I guess MS doesn’t really care about phones.

            • sweatshopking
            • 4 years ago

            I dont disagree. I do disagree that people don’t care about what sales people say

          • Bobs_Your_Uncle
          • 4 years ago

          WinMobile isn’t exactly dead, but I’m uncertain about exactly how to correctly categorize it; “[i<][u<]currently irrelevant[/u<][/i<]" maybe? Because the extent to which at thing is relevant (or irrelevant) changes over time. However: Perpetual Irrelevancy = Dead. You're right about the potential of the system. This & other elements help to keep WinMobile "viable." But WinMobile largely remains viable because, quite frankly, [i<][u<]Microsoft cannot allow itself to be [b<]without[/b<] a viable mobile presence[/u<][/i<] (unless it decides to follow the IBM "Bataan Death March business model). MS truly blew it within the 2007 ~ 2010 "window of opportunity." Catch-up can be ugly & painful. They have some strengths to build upon, but they so desperately need to get their marketing & messaging right. It's in this sense they could benefit from Apples example. While they undeniably make [i<]some[/i<] truly killer kit, it's easy to argue that Apple is 1st & foremost a marketing & logistics focused company. MS really needs to be re-energized in this regard. You refer to inventing a "new product category" as a con. That's precisely what Apple did when they introduced the iPod, iPhone & iPad. They didn't invent anything with any of these products. Apple did present a re-imagining of what had come before & they then executed exceptionally well on both product quality control & messaging/perception management. MS needs a big dose of this (among other thins admittedly).

            • VincentHanna
            • 4 years ago

            [quote<]But WinMobile largely remains viable because, quite frankly, Microsoft cannot allow itself to be without a viable mobile presence (unless it decides to follow the IBM "Bataan Death March business model).[/quote<] If MSFT is successful with continuum, they won't have a mobile presence. They will instead, bring into question the wisdom of maintaining a fictional mobile category, when the devices themselves are fully functional PCs... Or at least, that is how I would judge their success. [quote<]You refer to inventing a "new product category" as a con. [/quote<] Inventing a new product category isn't a con. Referring to the surface pro as anything other than a overpriced tablet is, though. The "desktop" processors with the same power thresholds and specs as typical mobile skus, the floppy add-on keyboard which you can't even use properly unless you are sitting at a table, and the insane idea of spending thousands upon thousands of dollars to create plug-in rats-nest workstations rather than buying a device(or 3 for the price) that [b<]fits ones needs[/b<] in the first place, and then making excuses for it. Literal insanity.

            • Bobs_Your_Uncle
            • 4 years ago

            [quote<][i<]If MSFT is successful with continuum, they won't have a mobile presence. They will instead, bring into question the wisdom of maintaining a fictional mobile category, when the devices themselves are fully functional PCs... Or at least, that is how I would judge their success.[/i<][/quote<] This is pretty much the idea, yeah! In the past, through to the present & for a few years to come, there have been distinct categorical divisions between desktop & mobile. The functional lines between the two are continuously getting blurrier though, & MS hopes to eliminate any significant functional distinction between them. At that point, mobile will then essentially mean "in transit" & desktop will remain a "fixed point". The need for powerful fixed point computing will remain for quite some time (server rooms) but MS wants to free-up the harnessing of fixed point power so that it can be leveraged anywhere. [quote<][i<]Referring to the surface pro as anything other than a overpriced tablet is (a "con"), though.[/i<][/quote<] So, I get it ... the Surface line doesn't work for you. I don't own one either, (at least for the moment & probably for some time to come, if ever!) The Surface line does work really, [i<][u<]really well[/u<][/i<] for a [b<]BIG[/b<] ol' bunch of people, however! The fact you choose to be angry about the Surface (for whatever reasons), doesn't somehow magically transform it into being some kind of a "con".

            • sweatshopking
            • 4 years ago

            Surface pros are expensive, but they’re reasonable given what the industry charges. I love my sp2, and if i was getting another mobile device, i’d get a sp.

            • VincentHanna
            • 4 years ago

            Every con needs a mark.

            • VincentHanna
            • 4 years ago

            [quote<]The Surface line does work really, really well for a BIG ol' bunch of people, however! The fact you choose to be angry about the Surface (for whatever reasons), doesn't somehow magically transform it into being some kind of a "con". [/quote<] No, I'm sure the surface line would work fine for me, IF I were willing to constantly make excuses for it's shortcomings, in order to justify a purchase that makes no logical sense in any context. If however, I chose a device that fit my needs, or any given set of needs that weren't "I need a surface pro," then it would get tricky.

            • sweatshopking
            • 4 years ago

            They’re really really really best for students.

        • smilingcrow
        • 4 years ago

        If Sony, Panasonic and the like counted as obscure you wouldn’t be incorrect with your analysis.

          • VincentHanna
          • 4 years ago

          Is there a Sony/Panasonic app? What do they do?

          I would certainly qualify them as being obscure.

            • smilingcrow
            • 4 years ago

            The most useful to me are the apps that let you control a camera or camcorder and it expands the use of photography quite significantly. So not trivial apps and by very large companies and they have zero WP support which is very common.

            WP is great for my elderly mother who has very limited requirements but if you want a multi purpose mobile computing device with comprehensive software support WP is not it.
            I like the OS but apps are what make a platform not the OS.

    • Hinton
    • 4 years ago

    You can always get Windows 10 through Windows Insider, as I did on my Lumia 930.

    • smilingcrow
    • 4 years ago

    Should have done the same with the full fat desktop/laptop version.

      • LoneWolf15
      • 4 years ago

      Haven’t you heard? The consumer market is their unpaid beta testers. That way, they give it for free to the public, can fire half or more of the QA department, and still figure out what stuff is wrong before Enterprise customers even think about Windows 10 upgrade plans.

        • BaronMatrix
        • 4 years ago

        Yet another reason to stay away on my main desktop…

          • LoneWolf15
          • 4 years ago

          Which is why I have VMs for W10 desktop testing and the Lumia 640 for mobile. Neither are my daily drivers, but I can still experiment.

    • sweatshopking
    • 4 years ago

    SOUNDS RIGHT. THIS STUFF ISN’T READY FOR PRIMETIME YET. BIGGEST ISSUES ARE THE CAMERA APP AND THE MESSAGING APP.

      • ludi
      • 4 years ago

      AND THIS KEYBOARD. IT’S STUCK SOMEHOW.

        • maxxcool
        • 4 years ago

        bahahaha!

        • hasseb64
        • 4 years ago

        Thank you! Had a good laugh!

          • sweatshopking
          • 4 years ago

          THAT’S WHAT SHE SAID

      • Ninjitsu
      • 4 years ago

      ROLLING RELEASE! SAAS!

      • Spunjji
      • 4 years ago

      Crashes, crashes everywhere! Still better on my 1520 than the original 5.0 release of Android was on my Nexus 5, though… let alone the godforsaken beta that preceded it.

        • curtisb
        • 4 years ago

        The crashes have gotten much better in the latest Insider Previews. Most of the crashes I’ve experienced are 3rd party apps that probably need to be updated for a new API. For example, Trivia Crack [i<]always[/i<] crashes on the first launch, but works fine on the second launch. I don't think the latest Insider Preview is available for all phones, though. I haven't booted my 1520 in a while to see. There is rumor of another being released this week. The firmware update they released for the 950 XL fixed quite a few issues I was having, too.

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