AMD reveals its Radeon RX 460 and Radeon RX 470 at E3

At the PC Gaming Show today at E3, AMD revealed two more pieces of its Polaris lineup. The company will be releasing a Radeon RX 460 and a Radeon RX 470 underneath the already-announced RX 480. The company isn't releasing many details about these products yet, but it did say the Radeon RX 460 will slot in at under 75W as part of its mission to be "the ultimate eSports card."

Radeon RX 470 on the left, RX 460 on the right

These products will presumably land in the $100-$300 range that the company has staked out as the natural home for its Polaris products thus far. AMD offered no word about when these next two Polaris cards would launch, but we know the RX 480 will arrive June 29 in the $200-ish range. That day can't come soon enough from where we're sitting.

AMD CEO Lisa Su also rolled a video about the Zen CPU, in which the company showed Doom running on an early sample of a Summit Ridge part in its validation labs. Again, the red team is keeping its secrets close to the chest about its next-gen CPUs for now, but it's heartening to see the silicon at work. Su says "Zen is going first into enthusiast-class desktop processors for gamers with 8 cores and 16 threads," so that's exciting news, at least.

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    • anotherengineer
    • 3 years ago

    [url<]http://www.techpowerup.com/223385/microsoft-xbox-scorpio-soc-powered-by-polaris-and-zen[/url<] Name change, I guess they weren't happy with the slang Xbone name?? ๐Ÿ™‚

    • chuckula
    • 3 years ago

    So some official AMD slides show the Rx 480 receiving a 6.3 score in Steam’s VR benchmark.

    Slide is available here: [url<]http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/06/AMD-Radeon-RX-400-Polaris-1-900x506.jpg[/url<] Interestingly, TR had an article about the Steam VR benchmarks back in February where numerous cards got scores, including the old GTX-970, which scored a 6.5 in the same benchmark: [url<]https://techreport.com/news/29752/steamvr-performance-test-grades-pcs-on-their-vr-readiness[/url<] One thing about that TR article: AMD's marketing department was the source of all of those Steam VR numbers. Not TR, not some conspiracy, nope, it was AMD. In fact, before we attack that benchmark as worthless, AMD was the initial source who contacted TR to bring that benchmark to TR's attention. Furthermore, AMD went out of its way to use the same benchmark in its own official marketing literature for Polaris. It's certainly not the only benchmark of value, but it's important enough for AMD to use it multiple times this year. So, as far as I'm concerned, the leaks about Polaris show that there's a reason AMD priced it below the level of even the now older GTX-970, and it wasn't because AMD is overly modest.

    • sophisticles
    • 3 years ago

    Am I the only one that thinks Lisa Su looks like a dude?

    Also am I the only one that could care less about any AMD video card news? We already know that AMD’s video cards are very competitive, I own both a GTX960 and a R7 265 and in all honesty it comes down to personal preference if you choose an Nvidia offering versus an AMD offering; six of one, half dozen of the other.

    For me the most interesting part is “Zen is going first into enthusiast-class desktop processors for gamers with 8 cores and 16 threads”, for me that’s the only interesting AMD news.

    • Demetri
    • 3 years ago

    Official AMD benchmarks are starting to come out.

    [url<]http://videocardz.com/61064/amd-polaris-10-and-polaris-11-specifications[/url<] Looks like the 470 slots between a 380X and 390 in performance, but closer to the 390, with a TDP of 110W. Could be really good if it's priced @ $150.

      • ImSpartacus
      • 3 years ago

      Thanks for sharing – very cool.

    • SoundFX09
    • 3 years ago

    I expect the RX 470 to be a Cut-Down Polaris 10 with 4GB of VRAM, and the RX 460 to be a Full-Fledged Polaris 11 with 2 or 4GB of VRAM.

    How will it fare against Nvidia’s offerings? We likely won’t know until Nvidia unveils them.

    Predictions on Pricing:

    RX 470: $150
    RX 460: $100

    Overall: Both Cards look very promising. However, with Nvidia planning the 1060 (Or at least, with rumors of a GTX 1060), We’ll have to wait and see.

    • ronch
    • 3 years ago

    Looking at Lisa’s picture there makes me wonder: where are AMD’s past CEOs?

    Digging around, I have found out that

    1. Jerry Sanders is retired.
    2. Hector Ruiz is currently CEO of Advanced Nanotechnology Solutions.
    3. Dirk Meyer now serves as a member of the board of a startup called Ocoos.
    4. Rory Read is now responsible for melding Dell and EMC together.

    • kuttan
    • 3 years ago

    The Polaris 10 based RX 480 with its rumored performance of 390X at $200 for the 4GB version is simply amazing. People rarely see such level of performance for $200 price point.

      • Kretschmer
      • 3 years ago

      It can’t be amazing until it’s benched and substantiated. I hear that the RX 680 will be a absolute monster!

    • Klimax
    • 3 years ago

    I must say I am strongly surprised people still have ANY trust in AMD’s PR. How many times they need to be hit? How many times it has to fail before people learn their lesson?

      • tipoo
      • 3 years ago

      Trust is a strong word, I’d describe mine as a frequently trampled upon hope.

        • Klimax
        • 3 years ago

        With that I don’t have problem.

      • chuckula
      • 3 years ago

      I understand that there’s going to be some marketing BS with any of these announcements from any company.

      At least Lisa Su stuck to actually talking about AMD’s own products at this little shindig and she didn’t say anything nearly as outrageous as what we’ve heard in the past, so I’ll cut them some slack.

        • Klimax
        • 3 years ago

        Not yet. Still quite some red flags. ZEN has quite few (mostly BS surrounding promised performance increases) Polaris is not cleared yet too.

        Also this:
        [url<]http://www.hardocp.com/news/2016/06/12/amds_uprising_ad_campaign_will_incite_radeon_rebellion/[/url<]

          • chuckula
          • 3 years ago

          We could certainly have some fun with that marketing.

          How about an “HBM IS OVERRATED!” sign :-p

      • heinsj24
      • 3 years ago

      AMD’s PR did have a good run until Bulldozer.

        • ImSpartacus
        • 3 years ago

        No one could market bulldozer. It was a disaster.

        • Klimax
        • 3 years ago

        Can’t speak on that part as I got to only know AMD PR with Bulldozer…

      • ImSpartacus
      • 3 years ago

      I’m inclined to at least partially trust amd with respect to Polaris.

      They showed Polaris 11 at ces and its efficiency seems to be the real deal. Even with some methodology shenanigans in that test (game choice, settings, etc), it’d still be impressive.

      The real thing that encourages me is amd’s semi custom wins. They won both console refreshes. You can’t get 6 tflops of performance into a tiny console unless your efficiency is on point. There are also rumors that Apple is slightly delaying their next gen mbp by a couple months because they want Polaris 11 in it. Apple doesn’t fuck around. If Polaris wasn’t worth waiting for, then you better believe Maxwell could stand in.

      Fiji had neither public demos nor key semi custom wins, so it was literally just trusting the word of amd (which isn’t worth much, as you reminded us).

        • Klimax
        • 3 years ago

        Wins in custom are mostly because nobody else didn’t bother with such insignificant stuff. (of those with x86 licence) Efficiency didn’t paly such big role you ascribe it.

          • ImSpartacus
          • 3 years ago

          You’re out of your mind if you think gaming console and Apple device wins are “insignificant”.

          I get that they might not be high margin (relatively speaking), but these are high volume consumer luxury goods, so there’s tons of mindshare to be claimed by whoever produces the SOCs that go into these devices. Not to mention that it’s a steady gig.

          And these are devices that fit into the lives of consumers, so they tend to be relatively compact (especially in the case of Apple). Therefore, cooling capability is at a premium. So if you need to fit a fixed amount of performance into such a device (say, if you wanted 4k gaming capability), then the only way to do it is through efficiency increases. That’s why Polaris’s efficiency matters.

          So the bottom line is that while I agree that we shouldn’t trust amd’s word, alone, we have plenty of other evidence that they aren’t lying.

            • BurntMyBacon
            • 3 years ago

            Consoles are pretty cost sensitive. You have to balance performance, efficiency, and cost there. So, while there is no guarantee that AMD’s parts are the best parts for the job, I think there is some assurance that they will be the most cost effective way to get performance that meets the minimum levels desired by console manufacturers.

            Also, regardless of how you (or I) feel about Apple, the parts they use are certainly not custom parts. You may have a unique SKU, but Polaris is still the chip, so (as suggested) the relevance of that design win stands.

            [quote<]So the bottom line is that while I agree that we shouldn't trust amd's word, alone, we have plenty of other evidence that they aren't lying.[/quote<] Agreed.

            • Klimax
            • 3 years ago

            First, Nvidia nor Intel were interested because console wins would be drop in the bucket. Second, I have in no way asserted that AMD is lying. Good old twisting truth to suit PR is more then enough…

            Never forget, AMD sees only few dollars at best from each sold console. If even that. Never more.

            • Voldenuit
            • 3 years ago

            [quote<]First, Nvidia nor Intel were interested because console wins would be drop in the bucket.[/quote<] Pretty much this. nvidia made more from automotive Tegra last year than amd did from Xbone + PS4.

            • nanoflower
            • 3 years ago

            True, but I think AMD benefited more from the console business than Nvidia or Intel would have. That’s because that business helped AMD pay for research/development that they can use on Polaris/Vega (such as is likely going into Project Scorpio) while Nvidia/Intel can easily fund their own development. Then there is the mind share that AMD gets among developers that Nvidia doesn’t need and Intel doesn’t care about.

        • tipoo
        • 3 years ago

        I think Apple would still skip on Nvidia right now even if it was a bit better. They’re already doing that in the shipping high end Macbook Pro, forgoing a better performing (in games) Maxwell part for a GCN 1.0 part that isn’t particularly efficient. It’s because of OpenCL politics. It’s because of this.

        [url<]http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/2015-Retina-MBP.010-980x720.png[/url<] Even the Iris Pro beat the last Macbook 15"s 750M on compute. Maxwell only got a tad better.

      • Klyith
      • 3 years ago

      “Trust, but verify”

      I have no doubt that the PR benchmarks are fluffed, because they always are. that goes for amd, nvidia, intel, apple, everybody. but if they deliver good performance, why wouldn’t I buy it? just because it says amd on the box?

        • Klimax
        • 3 years ago

        Missed the point. I am only talking about trusting AMD’s PR, not reviewed products. Intel? Generally what they promise you get. Even if you have to pay premium for it. Nvidia had to my knowledge only one recent PR fail, that being Titan Z. In rest of cases, one got what NV promised.

        AMD PR so far overpromises and takes corner cases as if they are normal. (See marketing for Fury or Bulldozer) And so far it seems you have to still wait years before AMD gets drivers somewhere near NVidia’s thus killing a lot of chances of their GPUs. (With GCN it took them 3 years to get most out of it)

          • Klyith
          • 3 years ago

          >Missed the point.
          No I really didn’t.

          PR is more truthful when the product is strong vs the competition, more fluffy / cherry-picked when weak. Lately the companies you seem to believe are “honest” have had strong products and a fairly laid-back, review based PR strategy. In the past the shoe has been on the other foot. You just have to go back a bit further than your evidently short memory.

          If you think there is some underlying pattern that “AMD lies, nvidia is honest”, you’re either a fanboy or you’re just too young to have seen times when intel or nvidia had the short straw.

    • Zizy
    • 3 years ago

    Anyone pixel hunting to estimate die size of the 470’s chip?
    To me, a wild guess using pci-e as measurement puts it at about 17*13mm = 221 mm2, but it could be easily off by a factor of 2, as I merely eyeballed the thingy.

      • ImSpartacus
      • 3 years ago

      It’s Polaris 10. No question.

      See how it has 8 memory packages. That would correspond to a 256-bit bus, which Polaris 10 has. Polaris 11 will have a 192-bit or 128-bit bus (almost certainly the later), which generally would sport a different number of packages (6 & 4, respectively) under most common implementations.

      Also note what appears to be a 6-pin power connector. Polaris 11 doesn’t need that (as we’ve known for months). But that’s exactly the power connector that Polaris 10 uses.

      Finally, it just looks like Polaris 10 based on historical official images of the die and stuff.

    • ronch
    • 3 years ago

    If the RX 480 is meant to go for $200, I bet many folks will find these cards’ prices even more compelling. Of course we’ll have to wait for NV’s response but I think Jensen isn’t eager to fight a price war with Pascal right off the bat. Or so I hope.

    If these new cards are priced well enough and deliver twice as many shaders than my HD7770 I just might be tempted to upgrade, even if I don’t need it.

      • rudimentary_lathe
      • 3 years ago

      It will be interesting to see how the 470 and 480 compare. At $199 for the 4GB version of the 480, I have a hard time seeing many electing to save $50 bucks to get significantly worse performance with the 470 (assuming the 470 is priced at $149). I could see AMD selling a decent number of 460s if they price them at $100.

        • vargis14
        • 3 years ago

        I agree on the performance/price scale I think price will drop in 40-50$ down from the $200 480…460 @100$, 470 150$ and so on…
        If a $100 460 can do 1080p on High with the current gen games now it will be a huge hit!

    • Srsly_Bro
    • 3 years ago

    Leaked benches (rumor) show the 460 performing on par with a GTX 960. The 460 is powered by a PCIe slot from the looks of it.

    • Fonbu
    • 3 years ago

    These new one (RX470 and RX460) people could go maybe only 1/3 of the month without food. But 100$ is still like a few thousand bottles to collect!

      • Fonbu
      • 3 years ago

      AMD could throw in some food gift card or food stamps to help it sell!

        • Fonbu
        • 3 years ago

        RX 460 Hunger Edition

    • Mikael33
    • 3 years ago

    Prediction: the 470 offers on average 85% of the 1070 while consuming a fraction of the power.

    Just kidding.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 3 years ago

      12/10 is still a fraction. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      It’s the 85% that becomes an issue.

      • NoOne ButMe
      • 3 years ago

      70-80% as fast while using 70-90% of the power.

      • auxy
      • 3 years ago

      You mean the 480, right? (ยดใƒปฯ‰ใƒป๏ฝ€)

      • Srsly_Bro
      • 3 years ago

      Leaked benches, if true, show the 480 OCed to 1400 matching a stock 1070. 480 is supposely clocked at 1080 Mhz tho…which *HAS* to be coincidental.

        • NoOne ButMe
        • 3 years ago

        RX 480 being faster than the 1080 when running games only using FP64 precision confirmed!

          • Srsly_Bro
          • 3 years ago

          -fanboi

        • rudimentary_lathe
        • 3 years ago

        If that ends up being true, AMD is going to end up selling all the cards. How many cards you say? All of them.

          • ImSpartacus
          • 3 years ago

          I imagine the 480 had some headroom, but amd wants to keep it at or under 150W so it only needs one 6-pin power connector.

          Amd is aware that some less fortunate customers have old janky psus. So the 150W tdp level is an important level to stay under (as is 75W, which Polaris 11 covers).

          If shit hits the fan and vega is delayed (which is very possible), then we might see an upclocked P11XT surpass 150W. But then I bet that P11Pro will also get upclocked so it can slot it right under the important 150W tdp.

    • puppetworx
    • 3 years ago

    Raja must have dropped the RX 470.

      • jessterman21
      • 3 years ago

      nah, Scott forgot to screw the HSF back on ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Kaleid
    • 3 years ago

    I hope for news soon about GDD5x and HBM2 cards.

      • Fonbu
      • 3 years ago

      Do you think the RX490’s will use GDDR5x?

      • ImSpartacus
      • 3 years ago

      Amd will have high end hbm2-packing cards under the code name Vega, coming late this year or early next (probably more the later).

      This is not a delay. It’s been on their schedule since what feels like forever.

        • Fonbu
        • 3 years ago

        Is Vega not two chips? So Highest end Fury with probably be HBM2 and maybe the other slightly lower will be GDDR5x?
        [url<]http://www.thecountrycaller.com/46194-advanced-micro-devices-inc-amd-to-use-gddr5x-in-high-end-polaris-vega-variants/[/url<]

          • ImSpartacus
          • 3 years ago

          It’s possible.

          I think that the smaller Vega could easily get enough bandwidth from GDDR5X (and even the bigger Vega could make do with GDDR5X if AMD was willing to use a larger 384-bit or 512-bit setup).

          However, I think that source is mistaken. The article is hard to understand, but I think they are trying to suggest that because Scorpio uses GDDR5X, then AMD might use GDDR5X elsewhere (such as Polaris, Vega, etc).

          But there are several things wrong with that:
          [list<] [*<]Scorpio almost certainly doesn't use GDDR5X. [list<] [/*<][*<]The layout shows 12 memory modules, which suggests a 384-bit bus. At that bus width, you only need the memory to run at 6.6Gbps to get to Scorpio's stated minimum bandwidth of 320 GB/s. So shoving last gen 7 Gbps GDDR5 is enough and current gen 8 Gbps GDDR5 would be gravy. Even the first gen 10 Gbps GDDR5X would provide HBM1-like levels of bandwidth on a 384-bit bus. [/*<][*<]Their rough minimum of 320 GB/s is pretty close to what it needs to be, so there's no need for excess amounts of bandwidth. For context, the 1070 has the same ballpark 6 TFLOPS as Scorpio, but only needs 256 GB/s of bandwidth (Nvidia has superior compression, but it's not [i<]THAT[/i<] much better). [/*<][/list<] [*<]Polaris doesn't use GDDR5X. I don't even know why that author said that. [list<] [/*<][*<]The 480 doesn't use GDDR5X, period. [/*<][*<]It's hypothetically possible, but very unlikely that Polaris 10 has a GDDR5X controller. [list<] [/*<][*<]AMD would look bad by dedicating resources to integrating a controller to a memory technology that competes with HBM, which they have vocally supported. And they likely don't even have the resources to dedicate to it, lol. [/*<][*<]It would require a third Polaris 10 variant (this is unusual) as we know the 480 & 470 are based on Polaris 10. [/*<][*<]This would mean that AMD held a ton of fanfare for its second best Polaris 10 card (this is unheard of). You don't hide your flagship. [/*<][*<]Polaris 10's secret disabled compute resources would have to be roughly 10-20% more than the 480's in order to justify the extra bandwidth from GDDR5X, which, along with the presumably larger first gen GDDR5X controllers, would mean that Polaris 10 is much bigger than previously thought. That would likely make it too expensive to sell at $200 (let alone less than $200 for the 470). [/*<][/list<] [*<]We don't know a lot of details about Polaris 11, but I seriously doubt that it would support the expensive GDDR5X. GDDR5 on a 128-bit bus will be plenty. Sure, you could get roughly the same bandwidth using GDDR5X on only a 96-bit bus, but that's a "weird" number that would result in unmarketable VRAM capacities (e.g. 3GB). And there's no real reason to do it. It's not like reducing the number of memory modules will provide any fringe benefit like allowing it to fit on a smaller MXM-A form factor (Cards with 128-bit buses have been able to fit on MXM-A boards since forever). [/*<][/list<] [/list<]

    • USAFTW
    • 3 years ago

    I’m hoping AMD does some good this year. Looking good so far with Polaris, Summit Ridge up and running (hopefully) and the new console deals.
    And if Summit Ridge ends up having 8/16 cores/threads and similar single core performance to my 4690K, I might jump ship.
    It’ll be a long wait till Q4 or Q1.

    • slaimus
    • 3 years ago

    Maybe this was a bit of “back to their roots” type move. Back when ATI was the dominant graphics chip maker, nVidia and 3Dfx has faster chips overall. ATI cards were cheaper and were in pre-built systems, so they sold a lot more.

      • Krogoth
      • 3 years ago

      Hopefully, it doesn’t result in a massive decline in driver support. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • curtisb
    • 3 years ago

    [quote<]the Radeon RX 460 will slot in at under 75W as part of its mission to be "the ultimate eSports card."[/quote<] Because power usage is what eSports players care about?

      • ImSpartacus
      • 3 years ago

      <75W is a critical achievement because that’s the amount of power that a PCIe slot can provide with no external power plugs (e.g. 6-pin, 8-pin, etc).

      It doesn’t sound like a big deal, but it is. Lots of people get cheap OEM machines and they feel lucky to even have a PCIe slot in the first place.

      Allowing those people to play popular esports games is a very tempting market to serve.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 3 years ago

      What bugs me is that AMD is arbitrarily identifying <insert popular MOBA of the moment here> as “eSports”.

      But yeah, that’s the max for (like ImSpartacus said) systems without external power to supply via the PCIe port.

        • Chrispy_
        • 3 years ago

        Last time I checked CS:GO, Rocket League, Hearthstone and SC2 weren’t MOBAs.

          • derFunkenstein
          • 3 years ago

          that’s my point.

            • Chrispy_
            • 3 years ago

            Where are you getting [quote<]AMD is arbitrarily identifying <insert popular MOBA of the moment here> as "eSports".[/quote<] from? I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's not mentioned in the article and there are no external links to follow, so from here it looks like you're making an incorrect assumption and then putting words in AMD's mouth. If Lisa specifically reeled off a list of MOBA-only games somewhere else, that would make sense but without that link your post comes across as presumptuous and out of context.

        • NoOne ButMe
        • 3 years ago

        The Majority of eSports that are lareg today don’t require very much performance on the GPU side.

        So marketing it as that makes sense to me. I think Nvidia has or had the 750 and 750ti marketed towards eSports also. Or was that the 950?

          • ImSpartacus
          • 3 years ago

          Both.

          The 750 series definitely was marketed as a sound upgrade for owners of OEM machines (and it was): [url<]http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7764/OEMUpgrade.jpg[/url<] The 950 had to be marketed as a MOBA part because it initially didn't get under 75W: [url<]http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9547/950_Upgrade.jpg[/url<] But eventually, Nvidia did some magic a couple months after release. Then everybody and their sister had a 75W 950. Maybe it was binning by each manufacturer (and they needed the time to build up enough stock) or maybe Nvidia had some kind of revision. Perhaps a little bit of both. Either way, the 950 became a proper successor to the 750 Ti.

    • NoOne ButMe
    • 3 years ago

    Well, here is some useless information from AMD “we have a RX 460 and RX 470 guys!”

    [s<]Maybe PC gaming reveals more?[/s<] I slept through the day and though it would be on tonight for some reason. Already happened.

      • ImSpartacus
      • 3 years ago

      Yeah, I’m underwhelmed. But I guess it got them some headlines.

      • anotherengineer
      • 3 years ago

      Hmmm

      Well I’m sitting on an old Radeon HD6850 that has been relegated to legacy driver support, in addition with the low value of the CND $ against the US greenback, the RX 470 has my interest.

      It may possibly double my performance for $150 US, then it would be a good option at least.

        • NoOne ButMe
        • 3 years ago

        knowing some level of performance would be nice. According to videocardz the 470 was confirmed as Polaris 10, but that leaves a massive performance gap. On how far the 1070 is cut from the 1080 for example.

          • anotherengineer
          • 3 years ago

          Well IIRC the 7850 was 1024 shaders and the 7870 was 1280 shaders. I think the R7 is only 1024 shaders.

          If the 470 (hopefully) has 1280 shaders, and 8G/s ram performance should easily surpass the R7 370 even if it only has a 128-bit bus.

          But won’t know nothing for certain until reviews are out.

            • ImSpartacus
            • 3 years ago

            The 470 will have roughly 1792-2048 SPs.

            It’s Polaris 10, not Polaris 11.

            Also remember that there are architectural improvements and it’ll likely clock higher than historic gcn stuff. I’d be surprised if it performs worse than a 380X (I.e. Tonga).

            Remember that Polaris 10’s performance is meant to replace that of Hawaii and Hawaii was no slouch.

            There are even some folks that think it’s possible that the 470 could meet the vr min spec (I.e. perform like a 290). I doubt that, but it’s not impossible.

            • BurntMyBacon
            • 3 years ago

            [quote<]There are even some fool's that think it's possible that the 470 could meet the vr min spec (I.e. perform like a 290). I doubt that, but it's not impossible.[/quote<] Yeah. I don't see that happening either. I'm pretty sure it would be all over AMD marketing if it could. 380X levels give or take sounds pretty reasonable to me. I'll buy it.

            • ImSpartacus
            • 3 years ago

            Recent slides suggest that the 470 should perform somewhere between a 380X and a 390, likely closer to the 390 under most scenarios.

            [url<]http://videocardz.com/61064/amd-polaris-10-and-polaris-11-specifications[/url<]

            • NoOne ButMe
            • 3 years ago

            If it overclocks well it could be an unofficial VR spec?

            • ImSpartacus
            • 3 years ago

            It depends how many CUs are enabled and how much lower the stock clocks are.

            I ultimately think that there’s a good reason why amd only markets the 480 as a vr-worthy card. They might be forced to cut it down heavily in order to close the gap between Polaris 10 and 11 since Tonga isn’t getting rebranded (remember Polaris 11 performs roughly like Pitcairn and Polaris 10 performs roughly like Hawaii, but there’s Tonga between those two in amd’s current lineup – no new Tonga-level chip to fill the gap).

            • anotherengineer
            • 3 years ago

            If the 470 has that many shaders then it will be at the top of my short list. But I guess we’ll have to see if it’s ram is clocked at 8G/s and is 128-bit or 256-bit interface vs the 480.

            • ImSpartacus
            • 3 years ago

            I’d imagine that it’ll come in a 4GB flavor backed by a 256-bit bus.

            Since we now know that Polaris 11 is limited to only 16 CUs, I think it’s fair to assume that the 470 will be fall on the more heavily cut down side of the spectrum. I think 28 CUs is reasonable (roughly 80% of a fully functional Polaris 10), but they might go deeper if they want to sell it for $150 and the 460 for more like $100ish.

            I bet someone will back into a shader count based on the recent 470 benchmarks from yesterday’s slides.

    • YukaKun
    • 3 years ago

    Well, I was hopping for Mr butterfingers Koduri and not Miss Su. It would have made for a funny show to drop, again, the video card. Or cards.

    In any case, I loved the subtle jab from the DOOM fella in the AMD promo video to nVidia: “you won’t need a 700 dollar card to play DOOM”.

    Cheers!

      • Klimax
      • 3 years ago

      Just don’t forget micro-font sized note: “As long as you set details sufficiently low.”

        • YukaKun
        • 3 years ago

        I know you’re trolling, but I’ll bite anyway.

        I think ever since Carmack left Bethesda/ID, their relationship with AMD improved thousand fold. He, the DOOM fella, mentions tight Vulkan integration, so I’m guessing they did collaborate a lot with AMD to get Vulkan right with DOOM. I have no idea how much nVidia helped, but I’m sure they also got involved somehow.

        Cheers!

          • Klimax
          • 3 years ago

          You want to trust AMD PR? (And anybody participating in it?) Just don’t be surprised when things fail. (No such thing as “if”)

          ETA: Of course you don’t need 700USD card to play DOOM. It’s kind of obvious if you are content with lower graphical detail and resolution, you can continue using your current card. Thus it is obvious 200USD card will suffice as long as you DO NOT expect to have same graphics as with 700USD card.

          Therefore my original statement is completely correct. I have not said that it will not work, so…

            • Klimax
            • 3 years ago

            Just reminder. DOOM is being used as benchmark:
            [url<]http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_1080_g1_gaming_review,16.html[/url<] Interesting results...

            • Chrispy_
            • 3 years ago

            Yeah, I don’t think AMD and id were working on the AMD OpenGL fixes, it shows.

            My guess is that Doom was supposed to release with Vulkan support and that got put back due to the usual publisher pressure. We’ll see what AMD vs Nvidia looks like once we have the Vulkan version which (I assume) is where all the AMD+id coordination effort was focused.

            • Klimax
            • 3 years ago

            Ok, for some reason I read OpenGL as Vulcan…

            • YukaKun
            • 3 years ago

            Well, a couple of things to clear the waters:

            1.- AMD was not in the “DOOM promo” video showed. It was the lead fella of the DOOM project from Bethesda that said that. Their only common goal was to get Vulkan running in DOOM.

            2.- Yes, no one *needs* a 700 GPU to play DOOM. It was a nice jab at nVidia from the *DOOM fella*, not a full fledged cry to the wind nVidia is a bad company for pricing it’s cards that high or anything like that. You mad?

            3.- Vulkan is not yet into the DOOM version being used as benchmark. I do expect respectable sites to use it to benchmark again once it’s out and see how well it runs.

            Cheers!

            • Klimax
            • 3 years ago

            I already posted that I misread things in my onw link. (Not even sure why I got down voted for that)

            I thought I saw Vulcan and forgot to make sanity check. Sorry for noise there.

            As for 1. And? Until all things are confirmed and verified, no trust in AMD’s PR nor anybody associated with it. (Even if they are technically from somewhere else) After idiocy called Star Swarm, there is zero trust.

            2. Idiotic jab. Nonsensical and superfluous. But then AMD and co are leading the way in this departement…

    • DragonDaddyBear
    • 3 years ago

    I think this is a great move by AMD. There are a lot of emerging markets with a demand for GPU’s that can play the latest games at a decent frame rate. I think they will sell tons of these things in China and India.

    • NTMBK
    • 3 years ago

    Yup, they definitely look like graphics cards.

    • Bensam123
    • 3 years ago

    Should be interesting to finally see some 480 reviews. Hopefully sometime this week or next as long as the chip lives up to what AMD is touting. If it doesn’t I’m sure we’ll probably see the reviews on launch day.

    Also can’t wait for Zen, since Broadwell E was such a disappointment at the price points Intel set them at.

      • Froz
      • 3 years ago

      NDA is lifted on the launch day, so I don’t think we will see any real reviews before that.

        • Bensam123
        • 3 years ago

        So they’re lifting the NDA on the 29th or you’re doing the semantics thing?

          • derFunkenstein
          • 3 years ago

          Both. You won’t see a review “this week or next” unless your weeks are around 17-21 days long.

            • Bensam123
            • 3 years ago

            Ah what a non-douchie answer.

            • chuckula
            • 3 years ago

            Oh I can write a review before then!

            No NDAs here!

            I also don’t actually have the hardware, but that won’t stop me!

            • nanoflower
            • 3 years ago

            If you can believe the rumor we may get a review this week as at least one site says they are getting a card from somewhere and they are not under NDA. After all there’s already that guy from Taiwan that has posted benchmarks and videos of the RX 480. So the information is coming and so far it’s all pointing to the RX 480 performing better than I expected as it hits at GTX 980/Fury levels which is pretty amazing for the $200-$230 price.

            • Bensam123
            • 3 years ago

            Sorta interested to see where people are picking up the NDA deadline from… unless it’s the slides from like three months ago.

            • chuckula
            • 3 years ago

            It was kind of announced by everybody in the tech press that attended the official AMD event in Macau at the end of May and signed a piece of paper with an NDA dated June 29.

            There were even pictures of it: [url<]http://www.fudzilla.com/images/stories/2016/May/amd-polaris-tech-day-macau-nda.jpg[/url<] That's not very controversial or from three months ago.

            • Bensam123
            • 3 years ago

            There were some slides for AMD back in march showing a tentative release date, those were the ones I was talking about. Also this wasn’t covered by TR.

            Good use of google though.

            [url<]http://videocardz.com/60373/amd-polaris-tech-day-nda-ends-on-june-29th[/url<] Speaking of which, AMD has released some benchmarks... XD

            • Froz
            • 3 years ago

            There is no need to google that much, it was also written here on TR:

            [url<]https://techreport.com/news/30222/amd-polaris-powered-radeon-rx-480-will-ring-in-at-199[/url<] "We'd love to be able to tell you more about this card today, but further details of the RX 480 and the rest of the Polaris lineup will need to wait until the card's projected June 29 launch date."

    • Ninjitsu
    • 3 years ago

    Well at least Zen can run a video game. ๐Ÿ˜›

    • Herem
    • 3 years ago

    Not sure why the article suggests the Radeon RX 460 and a Radeon RX 470 will land in the $100-$300 range when the RX 480 is priced in the $200-ish range?

    I would expect them to fall somewhere in the $100-$150 range.

      • chuckula
      • 3 years ago

      Well, I’m pretty confident that they’ll fall in somewhere in the $5 – $25,000,000 range too.

      • spanner
      • 3 years ago

      My reading was that the $US 100-300 range is for all Polaris parts, the RX 480 is already at $US 200, so presumably these will be inside that range but less than $US 200. So, don’t expect these for cheaper than $US 100 I guess.

        • Fonbu
        • 3 years ago

        That is like a weeks food.

    • Anovoca
    • 3 years ago

    I think you meant to say “AMD doesn’t reveal its Radeon RX 490 at E3”

      • Prestige Worldwide
      • 3 years ago

      I don’t think anybody was expecting them to reveal a fall-winter part in June.

        • Anovoca
        • 3 years ago

        Assuming Vega goes under Fury name set that still leaves room for a higherclocked polaris 10 card.

          • auxy
          • 3 years ago

          Vega is 2 chips and will be both 490 and Fury. (ใƒปโˆ€ใƒป)

            • Anovoca
            • 3 years ago

            Interesting but I guess that makes sense. Seems a bit odd though they are only making two cards on Polaris 10. I guess they have to leave themselves some head room so they can way overclock P10 and rebrand as the 570 and 580 next year.

      • Froz
      • 3 years ago

      Why would you expect that? I don’t think RX 490 will come any time soon, they said quite some time ago that Polaris will be low-mid-range.

      • nanoflower
      • 3 years ago

      They didn’t even reveal any more information on the RX 480. At least they admitted to having a RX 460 and RX 470 but I really wanted more details on the 480. By now they know what the final specs will be so it would be nice to get that information.

      We also know there multiple PCI IDs that still haven’t been announced at this point and given the apparent numbering convention (higher ID #s mean better performance) there do seem to be a number of items to be announced (even with two Vega parts coming up in 2017.)

    • Froz
    • 3 years ago

    Have TR got RX 480 for testing? Will we get a review of it “soonish” (after NDA is lifted) or that’s unlikely?

    Please don’t take it as complaining, I’m really asking, as if it will be as cheap as they claim and good enough, I’ll probably end up buying it.

      • Jeff Kampman
      • 3 years ago

      [quote<]NDA[/quote<] ^

        • chuckula
        • 3 years ago

        The first rule of NDA club is: you do not talk about NDA club.
        The second rule of NDA club is: You. Do. Not. Talk. About. NDA. Club.

          • derFunkenstein
          • 3 years ago

          Suggested canary safewords:

          Beefalo
          Beefaroni
          Buffet

            • JMccovery
            • 3 years ago

            Ever went to a buffet where there had beefaroni made with Beefalo? Basically, a breathtakingly beautiful bounty of beef and pasta.

          • Redocbew
          • 3 years ago

          Rule 3: If someone says “buffalo” or goes limp, taps out the NDA is over.

          • nanoflower
          • 3 years ago

          All too true. Still want to know if AMD is going to release any more information Polaris before the end of the month. There are benchmarks leaking already that look to be accurate given that we not only see results but also videos of the benchmarks being run. So I’m not sure of the point holding off the launch/reviews till the end of the month.

        • NoOne ButMe
        • 3 years ago

        Jeff, did you go to China last month on a business related trip to an AMD event?

          • derFunkenstein
          • 3 years ago

          He posted pictures of a Macau airport on Twitter.

            • NoOne ButMe
            • 3 years ago

            Ah. Well everyone who downvoted will have to forgive me for not using twitter.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 3 years ago

            Jeff’s Twitter is on the front page of TR, too, if you want to follow along without using it.

            • NoOne ButMe
            • 3 years ago

            Oh, that’s what the squished text I never read is, thanks

            • Klimax
            • 3 years ago

            Almost never use FrontPage, I have RSS. And when I am on front page, I am searching for something and thus don’t pay attention to irrelevant stuff…

            Hmm. And for some reason I don’t see anything remotely resembling Twitter feed.

            ETA: Found it. It’s there, but so low that I don’t see it 99,999899999% of time I am on front page.

        • Froz
        • 3 years ago

        Cool, thanks :).

        • Redocbew
        • 3 years ago

        BUFFALO!!!

        • USAFTW
        • 3 years ago

        So that’s a Yes then.
        AMD better not be cutting out TR. Not on Wasson’s watch.

        • Jigar
        • 3 years ago

        Excellent…

      • PrincipalSkinner
      • 3 years ago

      TR can’t confirm or deny that 480 is being tested at this point.

        • isotope123
        • 3 years ago

        BOLD PREDICTION! TR will be doing it’s review the the 1080, 1070, and RX 480 all in one giant, mouth-watering update of a graphics card review.

          • Jigar
          • 3 years ago

          That would be awesome.

    • PrincipalSkinner
    • 3 years ago

    Card on the right reminds me of my old Palit 4850. That thing was so unpleasant on the ears. Not very loud, just unpleasant.
    Furthermore, if Polaris 10 XT is Radeon 480 and it sells for $200-$230, how they plan to fill the $300 price range? Surely not cut down Vega?

      • fullbodydenim
      • 3 years ago

      RX 480 4GB = $200
      RX 480 8GB = $230
      RX 480X 8GB = $300

        • PrincipalSkinner
        • 3 years ago

        Yeah, Polaris 10 XT is meantioned in 480 context. And not a single leak about a 40CU chip.

        • 9th
        • 3 years ago

        Probably more like:

        RX 480 4GB = $200
        RX 480 8GB = $230
        RX 490 4GB = $260
        RX 490 8GB = $300

          • Voldenuit
          • 3 years ago

          Is the $230 price for the 8 GB official? I saw a lot of people saying $249 for the 8 GB last week.

            • ImSpartacus
            • 3 years ago

            I don’t believe it’s official, but it’s reasonable.

      • ImSpartacus
      • 3 years ago

      Well yeah, that’s what official amd info had been saying for the past six months.

      I’m always amazed at how people keep freaking out at the idea of amd intentionally abandoning the high end in 2016. It feels like we’ve known about this since forever. And not even from shady rumors, from official amd info.

      • ImSpartacus
      • 3 years ago

      Yes, cut-down Vega.

      Vega will come in two GPUs, just like Polaris. There’s definitely enough room above Polaris for both of the Vega GPUs to play. One could fight gp104 and the other, gp102.

      Nvidia is dedicating two GPUs to that segment, so no one should be surprised that amd is doing it as well. The $1000-$300 segment is too big otherwise.

        • PrincipalSkinner
        • 3 years ago

        I was hoping that there’d be 2560 shader GPU for $300. 480 doesn’t sound like an upgrade from 380X which I currently have.

          • Demetri
          • 3 years ago

          30% increase in performance and a 25% reduction in power consumption isn’t an upgrade?

          • ImSpartacus
          • 3 years ago

          Polaris 10 is a replacement for Hawaii’s performance level, so no, it’s not a large upgrade. It’s like upgrading from a 380X to a 390 or 390X. It’s definitely an increase in performance, but it’s not a very big one.

        • BurntMyBacon
        • 3 years ago

        [quote<]Nvidia is dedicating two GPUs to that segment, so no one should be surprised that amd is doing it as well. The $1000-$300 segment is too big otherwise.[/quote<] To be fair, nVidia is dedicating two GPUs to the $450 - $1000 segment at the moment. I think people are upset with the idea that AMD might need to use one of their presumed equivalent chips in the $300 - $450 segment. That would mean that AMD's larger chip would be roughly competitive with GP104, but come months too late to be an effective alternative. It would also mean that AMD has nothing to compete with GP102 with. I'm still hoping we see an RX 480X at $300, but I also see no reason to believe that AMD will be competing in the >$700 segment even with Vega. Certainly it can happen, but the current evidence doesn't guarantee it. In any case Two chips covering $300 to $700 seems more plausible to me than two chips covering $300 - $1000.

          • ImSpartacus
          • 3 years ago

          I appreciate you pointing out the challenge of filling out a $300-$1000 lineup with only two GPUs. But as I think more about it, I recall that it’s very nearly been done before with GM204 & GM200. The Titan X topped out at $1000 and the 970 came in at $330. That was a very thin lineup for Nvidia, but they pulled it off pretty well. Also note that Nvidia’s next lowest part was the 960, which debuted at $200, just like a certain Polaris 10 card that we know & love.

          Ultimately, I agree that Vega likely won’t steal the performance crown from GP102, so AMD’s lineup will top out below $1000 (your $700 estimate seems reasonable). That’ll help compress their lineup a little.

          But we won’t see any help from a hypothetical 480X as the E3 slides confirm that there are no disabled CUs on the 480.

          We might have to get used to some “holey” lineups going forward.

            • BurntMyBacon
            • 3 years ago

            [quote<]The Titan X topped out at $1000 and the 970 came in at $330. That was a very thin lineup for Nvidia, but they pulled it off pretty well. Also note that Nvidia's next lowest part was the 960, which debuted at $200, just like a certain Polaris 10 card that we know & love. [/quote<] Point taken and up-voted. [quote<]Ultimately, I agree that Vega likely won't steal the performance crown from GP102, so AMD's lineup will top out below $1000 (your $700 estimate seems reasonable).[/quote<] Yeah, that that last $300 is a killer. The 980Ti turned in performance extremely close to the Titan X at just $700 and even exceeded it in some circumstances when overclocked. AMD would have to own the top two spots to be able to put that much of a price premium on their cards and expect them to sell. [quote<]We might have to get used to some "holey" lineups going forward.[/quote<] Perhaps nVidia and AMD have decided to try and dodge each other a little this time around. Hopefully they cover each others "holes".

    • chuckula
    • 3 years ago

    That’s what I call a low profile cooling solution on the 470.

      • Voldenuit
      • 3 years ago

      More like “no profile”, amirite?

      I’ll see myself out.

        • djayjp
        • 3 years ago

        Lol

      • meerkt
      • 3 years ago

      I’m more worried about the fan on the R460.

        • SoM
        • 3 years ago

        looks like a crap fan i had on the North bridge abit i had

    • Kretschmer
    • 3 years ago

    Gamers couldn’t care less about 16 threads*. Give us single-threaded performance!

    *Excluding that guy who runs renders in the background while gaming and certain niche titles.

      • meerkt
      • 3 years ago

      You could run 2-3 games at the same time.

      • PrincipalSkinner
      • 3 years ago

      True gamers transcode while gaming.

      • odizzido
      • 3 years ago

      I can run out of cores with what I consider my regular gaming sometimes with just four. Have two instances of an MMO running + something else that takes more than one core and that’s it, my computer grinds to a halt. I’d really prefer to have a minimum of six cores on my next CPU.

        • Kretschmer
        • 3 years ago

        Again, dual boxing MMOs is an exceedingly niche case. And that’s six cores, not 16 cores.

      • tipoo
      • 3 years ago

      True gamers play a game in a game in a game. PiP, baby.

        • PrincipalSkinner
        • 3 years ago

        That is recursively perverted.

        • dragontamer5788
        • 3 years ago

        [url<]https://youtu.be/QOgK0sV6RLU?t=20s[/url<] Gonna play Zork inside of Call of Duty now.

      • anotherengineer
      • 3 years ago

      I agree today, but with people hanging onto CPU’s now for 5+ years, an 8 core 16 thread 4-5 years down the road may get better with software coding improves to take advantage of the hardware.

        • Kretschmer
        • 3 years ago

        It’s possible, but the types of problems that most people use their computers for can only be parallelized so much. 16 threads could very well be past the point of diminishing returns in 2025.

    • ish718
    • 3 years ago
      • Voldenuit
      • 3 years ago

      A common misconception. This is Jacqui, his stunt double. /mind blown gif

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