TR BBQ Day Shortbread

The Pick 6

  1. DigiTimes: MSI becomes the largest gaming

    notebook vendor worldwide, says paper

  2. AnandTech: Samsung’s SSD 850 EVO 4TB

    now available from major retailers

  3. WCCFtech: AMD may ship limited volume of Zen FX

    processors in late Q4 2016, full volume availability in

    Q1 2017

  4. 9to5Mac: Deutsche Bank claims iPhone 7 will ship with

    Lightning-to-3.5mm dongle, not Lightning EarPods

  5. Ars Technica: Cyanogen, Inc. reportedly fires

    OS development arm, switches to apps

  6. Neowin: Here’s what’s fixed and

    improved in Windows 10 build 14393.3


TR BBQ Day

  1. Neowin: Hacker finds security hole in Vine that

    allowed him to download the entire source code

  2. Newegg’s weekend deals

Systems and graphics

  1. Techgage’s Boxx Apexx 4 overclocked desktop workstation review
  2. TweakTown’s Gigabyte 970-Gaming SLI motherboard review
  3. NikKTech reviews Nvidia GTX 1080 Founders Edition 8GB
  4. OCC’s MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6G review
  5. Hardware Unboxed pits GTX 1060 vs. RX 480

    in 6-year old AMD and Intel computers

Multimedia, power & cases

  1. APH Networks on Audioengine HD6 desktop speakers
  2. LanOC Reviews on Logitech MX Master mouse
  3. Funky Kit reviews Patriot Viper V560 Laser mouse
  4. Funky Kit reviews Tt eSports overview
  5. PCPer’s 700W SilverStone SFX-L PSU review
  6. TweakTown reviews Thermaltake Core P3 wall-mountable case

    and Cooler Master MasterBox 5 mid-tower case

  7. ThinkComputers features case mod: Phanteks

    Evolv ATX Tempered Glass Edition

  8. Guru3D’s Anidees AI-Crystal tempered glass case review
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    • ronch
    • 3 years ago

    [quote<]WCCFtech: AMD may ship limited volume of Zen FX processors in late Q4 2016, full volume availability in Q1 2017[/quote<] [b<]SEE???????[/b<]

    • EndlessWaves
    • 3 years ago

    [quote<]Hardware Unboxed pits GTX 1060 vs. RX 480 in 6-year old AMD and Intel computers [/quote<] Interesting to see that AMD have made substantial progress on cutting down CPU utilisation with radeon cards.

      • smilingcrow
      • 3 years ago

      Interesting read and for those thinking of buying an RX 480 with Vulkan in mind this was surprising:

      “The Doom results are particularly telling … while the RX 480 was faster on the 6700K system using Vulkan by a 16% margin, it’s actually 21% slower when using the Core i5-750 rig and 29% slower on the Phenom II system.”

        • chuckula
        • 3 years ago

        It looks like there’s a reason that AMD has a new found appreciation for 8 core Intel CPUs for all of its official benchmark results.

          • raddude9
          • 3 years ago

          Yes, it’s because that’s what Nvidia use on their official benchmarks, see the line:
          [quote<]Intel Core i7-5960x, 16 GB DDR4 memory, X99 motherboard[/quote<] on: [url<]http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1060[/url<]

      • RdVi
      • 3 years ago

      Yep, it looks like a good improvement aside from (ironically) the Doom Vulkan results. Mantle was the first api to show us reduced CPU dependancy; yet here, an api built apon it is worse than current DX11 titles for AMD.

    • Laykun
    • 3 years ago

    [quote<]DigiTimes: MSI becomes the largest gaming notebook vendor worldwide, says paper[/quote<] Honestly not surprised, I've been very pleased with my MSI GS60 over the last couple of years, they really do make some excellent notebooks.

      • Pwnstar
      • 3 years ago

      Very satisfied with my GT80 desktop replacement.

    • anotherengineer
    • 3 years ago

    “WCCFtech: AMD may ship limited volume of Zen FX processors in late Q4 2016, full volume availability in Q1 2017 ”

    Well let’s hope they clock higher than the radeons do on GF/Samy process/silicon.

    I have seen rumors that TSMC might be fabbing some of these??!?!

      • PrincipalSkinner
      • 3 years ago

      Yeah. Having seen Pascal’s clocks,TSMC makes more sense. But, since they plan marriage between Polaris and Zen, GloFo looks like a better choice from that perspective.
      Hopefully both processes will have matured a bit by then.

      • Meadows
      • 3 years ago

      While an RX 480 Radeon is indeed lucky to reach 1500 MHz, at that speed it tends to eclipse a GTX 1060 at 2100 MHz, albeit at the cost of noticeably more power and heat.

      Also, don’t forget that foundries tend to have separate processes for high-performance chips, i.e. CPU-type products.

        • anotherengineer
        • 3 years ago

        Yar.

        I really wish they would but those things down, silicon from whoever, with this doping on this process fab, etc.

        But I guess most of that stuff is company secret?

        • smilingcrow
        • 3 years ago

        The GTX 1060 is reaching over 2.4GHz at which point the RX 480 is way behind at least in most games; DX11.
        They are clearly very different designs with the Radeon having substantially more transistors; 5.7 v 4.4 Billion.
        I wonder how many resources AMD’s design has devoted to giving it better DX12 performance?
        How different is a fabrication process needed for a 90W CPU @ 3.5GHz versus a 120 – 250W GPU @ 2GHz?

          • Krogoth
          • 3 years ago

          That 1060 overclock is a suicide run not something you would expect from a running unit. I suspect it is also massively memory bandwidth starved making that overclock a pointless exercise aside from bragging rights.

            • smilingcrow
            • 3 years ago

            Oops you are correct as I quoted the memory speed.
            Anyway, regardless of the GPU clock which was 2,139 MHz, every pro web review shows when over-clocked the 1060 smashes the 480.
            So based on that I wonder what Meadows refers to!

            • Krogoth
            • 3 years ago

            No, that massive overclocked 1060 barely beats a factory-overclocked 980 and only has a small margin over the 480. The 1070 completely smashes all of them at stock. Overclocking the 1060 and 480 are both silly exercises. They are limited by their architecture and resources.

            There’s a reason why Nvidia gave the 1060 a “192-bit” memory bus and 48 ROPs. They didn’t want their GP106 catch up with the more expensive GP104 by some overclocking.

            • smilingcrow
            • 3 years ago

            BS.

            • Krogoth
            • 3 years ago

            Just look at the some of the overclocking results of 1060. It is clearly memory bandwidth limited when you scale-up resolution and AA.

            1060 is a 2Megapixel card through and through.

      • chuckula
      • 3 years ago

      [quote<]I have seen rumors that TSMC might be fabbing some of these??!?![/quote<] TSMC is either fabbing all of them or none of them. There's no way that AMD is going to use two different vendors with two noticeably different FinFET processes for variants of the same product. Apple can do that, but AMD sure ain't Apple. Considering GloFo got the Polaris gig and that Polaris's future is as an IGP for Zen APUs at some point in later 2017, I'm pretty sure GloFo is fabbing Zen too. TSMC could still (we hope) get the Vega contract since Vega isn't intended for an IGP....

      • Goty
      • 3 years ago

      Attainable clock speeds have as much to do with architecture as they do with process. Without seeing the same design fabbed on both processes, we can’t really draw any conclusions about which is “better”.

    • blastdoor
    • 3 years ago

    [quote<]9to5Mac: Deutsche Bank claims iPhone 7 will ship with Lightning-to-3.5mm dongle, not Lightning EarPods[/quote<] I think the best hope to avoiding disaster here (other than not removing the 3.5 mm jack in the first place) is to include some pretty darned awesome bluetooth headphones. These mythical headphones (or EarPods or whatever) would need to: 1. "just work" in a way that most bluetooth devices do not 2. produce much higher quality audio than current Apple EarPods Ideally, they would also 3. include some extra features that go beyond audio -- some kind of biometric something or other. Now, the Deutsche Bank claim is not necessarily inconsistent with this. They say "no lightning EarPods" -- ok, that's fine if there are BT EarPods. They say "dongle included" -- ok, that's fine, so long as it's an added extra for people who need it, and not something that everyone needs in order to achieve basic functionality. I sure hope Apple doesn't screw this up....

      • anotherengineer
      • 3 years ago

      Apple screw something up pfffff

      *msg sent from bottom of Hudson River, from iPhone4 on apple maps* 😉

      • Timbrelaine
      • 3 years ago

      There are supposedly some benefits to removing the 3.5mm jack that actually matter to me, like making the phone trivial to waterproof, and clearing space for an extra sliver of battery. So in the scenario that apple ships decent bluetooth earbuds and a quality lightning-3.5mm adapter, I’ll actually be happy with this change.

      But I’m skeptical that’s the case. They’ve been including junk earbuds with the iPhone since it was first released, and they released the new Macbook without including any of the overpriced dongles you’ll inevitably need to make it usable. If they think that’ acceptable for a laptop, what’s to stop them doing it for a phone?

      • leor
      • 3 years ago

      Why do they have to do more than ship with a dongle? If you can still use your 3.5 mm headphones, what’s the problem? I could see if they DIDN’T ship with the dongle, but since they are, what’s missing?

        • Kurotetsu
        • 3 years ago

        The ability to charge your phone and use headphones at the same time?

        Apple hasn’t said anything about wireless charging for the new iPhone, so we should assume it won’t have it.

          • HERETIC
          • 3 years ago

          Didn’t that kill someone last year?

            • Meadows
            • 3 years ago

            A lot of things killed someone last year.

      • superjawes
      • 3 years ago

      I’m due to upgrade my 5S, and overall I’ve been happy with the Apple ecosystem. But this headphone jack thing… I think a dongle would be clunky, and it wouldn’t be useful if I couldn’t charge my phone while listening to music.

      I think it would make more sense for Apple to release an adapter that covers the entire bottom of the iPhone to re-add the headphone jack plus charging. They could also go for a full case that offers this functionality plus protection (and maybe even some extra battery). If Apple don’t, I bet someone else will.

    • chuckula
    • 3 years ago

    Have fun at the BBQ guize!
    One of these years when mini-chuckula isn’t sick we may make an appearance.

      • anotherengineer
      • 3 years ago

      By then there could be 2, 3, 4, or more mini-chuckula’s!!!

      :O

        • superjawes
        • 3 years ago

        A chuckularmy, perhaps?

          • Concupiscence
          • 3 years ago

          A chuckulberry cluster?

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