Ryzen Threadripper CPUs will offer 16 cores and 32 threads

AMD's Ryzen 7 CPUs already offer eight cores and 16 threads for those who can take advantage of as much multithreaded compute power as possible, but some folks need even more. For those power users, AMD will be introducing CPUs with up to 16 cores and 32 threads this summer, and they'll be called Ryzen Threadrippers.

We don't know all of the details of AMD's new high-end desktop platform just yet, but Threadripper chips could bring some serious competition to Intel's rumored Skylake-X high-end desktop chips when they come to market. AMD says it'll have more details for us at Computex in a couple weeks.

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    • Mr Bill
    • 2 years ago

    Next comes a threadshuffler update that keeps 4 cores running at high frequency while shuffling the code from the highest temperature core to the coolest available core in round robin fashion.

    • BerserkBen
    • 3 years ago

    Optimized for use with G.SKILL Ripjaws ram!

    • Gadoran
    • 3 years ago

    Pretty useless cpu in gaming. Being 16 cores and MCM the clock speeds will are low to stay in the thermals of the plataform. MCM expecially will be a damnation because the (slow) fabric is likely power hungry with a very bad effect on latencies too.
    Now, likely will be a little faster in multithread of a 12 cores Intel SKU but at this level of number of threads a customer can purchase a cheap server board from Supermicro chosing a Xeon SKU up to 28/32 cores.
    Obviously there is not a single game around capable to take advantage of 16 cores. We are in the server software territory, not a way a game company has the resources to develop a so complex code.

      • blastdoor
      • 3 years ago

      And an aircraft carrier is pretty useless for bass fishing — but so what?

        • Waco
        • 3 years ago

        Further, there’s very little reason AMD can’t set the turbo clocks for 4/8/16 core load wildly differently.

        4 core max turbo, 4 GHz
        8 core max turbo, 3.8 GHz
        16 core base clock, 3 GHz

        It would keep thermals and power in check without hampering gaming performance.

      • slowriot
      • 3 years ago

      I think your price comparisons are a bit off. Or at least I’m hoping because I suspect I’ll be able to put together a decent build around a Threadripper chip for a price close to what Intel will charge for their 16 core or equivalent Xeon CPU alone.

      • K-L-Waster
      • 3 years ago

      This will be aimed more at Workstation tasks. 3D rendering, video editing, encoding/decoding, possibly CAD, that sort of thing.

      If you’re a gamer you’re probably more interested in the R5 1600, 1600X, or the R7 1700.

    • ronch
    • 3 years ago

    I guess these are the rumored 16C/32T dual die Ryzen chips that will supposedly compete with Intel’s LGA2011 platform. Very interesting.

    • ronch
    • 3 years ago

    “Threadrippers?!?!? What kind of stupid name is that??!?”

    -Mad Dog Tannen

      • chuckula
      • 3 years ago

      Clint Eastwood would like to have a word with the Threadripper.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 3 years ago

    I wonder if power consumption would scale linearly enough that the top end DreamWeaver could be clocked as fast as an R7 1700. Anything slower and it seems like the trade-offs between core count and clock speed would lean too far towards the former.

    • Major-Failure
    • 3 years ago

    The only time I need a fast CPU is in Adobe Premiere / Photoshop / Lightroom. I’ve always thought these apps are great at multi-threading, but after reading an article in which multi core performance in Premiere was benchmarked I realized there’s an upper limit.

    According to this benchmark (by a company that builds video editing workstations), Premiere pro will barely render any faster if you use 8 cores or 20. In other words, you’re better off with a fast 8-core than with a not so fast 16-core.

    So at least for me the conclusion was that 6 cores is the optimum and 8 cores would be the reasonable maximum.

    Link to benchmark: [url<]https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-Multi-Core-Performance-698/[/url<]

      • w76
      • 3 years ago

      I think some of it is a chicken-and-egg situation. Why should Adobe optimize for more cores then they have when so few people would utilize it? Someone here also noted, in the comments on the first Ryzen review, that x264 had actually regressed in its ability to utilize multiple cores over the years.

      Once this lifts the average core count available in consumer systems, I think things will start to change.

      The problem for AMD is like with AMD64, it was a nice feature to have, but if I recall WinXP 64bit edition was pretty rare to see in the wild. Athlon 64’s full capability took a while to be utilized.

        • Major-Failure
        • 3 years ago

        That makes sense.

        I like your example too. It’s a tricky situation in that on one hand you do want to innovate and provide new features, but on the other hand you can’t expect customers to buy a product just based on innovations that are of no actual use (yet).

        Let’s see how long it takes for Adobe to get their software adapted. I doubt it’s easy.

      • CityEater
      • 2 years ago

      I work with PP and AE everyday.
      Two things on the puget articles (which are really good I think) and generally about rendering out of CC. There is a fall off after 8 cores which would push you towards a quick 8 core but there are some benefits to having more cores spare in CC.

      One is crosslinking from PS and AE (or AI etc.), this adds more strain on the multithreading and if you’re working with C4d in AE (even just 3d text stuff) you can fully peg all your cores pretty easy and this is the standard way of working with limited 3d in AE. You’re essentially using every thread you can get for that part of the render.

      Another consideration is the ability to continue to work in PP while rendering out of media encoder. That’s something I could use, even just from time to time to get me through a late afternoon crunch time. When the system is fully pegged (if you can get it to that point) it becomes difficult to even just use the desktop and the render being dumped because you overstressed the system plays in the back of your mind.

      The last thing is that GPU acceleration is a real thing in CC now, less is being done on the CPU than in the past. 4-5 years ago GPU acceleration was a total joke in PP and AE but these days it speeds up a lot of renders by a significant amount. If you look at Resolve for example you’re seeing the brute work being done on GPUs at this point and people running multiple cards to keep the sequence playing real time.

      Adobe CC multithreading is slowly improving, for an editing system you’re generally looking to get years of use out of I feel that it’s probably a mistake to consider a 6 core system at this point unless you’re just doing simple editing or you’re going to upgrade in the future anyway.

    • chuckula
    • 3 years ago

    Interesting picture of a [s<]Naples[/s<] [u<]Epyc[/u<] package [url=https://www.servethehome.com/amd-epyc-new-details-on-the-emerging-server-platform/<]in this story[/url<]. Interestingly it is not using a silicon interposer but it's just four RyZen parts mounted to a massively big PCB. This is actually the first clean picture of RyZen dies that I've ever seen on the Internet (including delidded shots). If AMD or a third party ever actually publishes the real dimensions of that PCB then I could finally get a halfway accurate die size estimate. [Nice downthumbs from the usual suspects. Funny how the religious radicals around here seem to get a little touchy about people actually seeing the products that they worship.]

      • Waco
      • 3 years ago

      I’m sure you can find shots of the socket to get a half way decent estimate going.

      I’m excited to see a real competitor in the 1S/2S space.

    • K-L-Waster
    • 3 years ago

    So instead of RGBLEDs on the cooler are these going to have glowing demon claws or something?

    • Ninjitsu
    • 3 years ago

    Makes Intel’s Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum Xeons naming look respectable, by contrast.

      • chuckula
      • 3 years ago

      It really does.

    • qasdfdsaq
    • 3 years ago

    The Ryzenator

    • Unknown-Error
    • 3 years ago

    Will Threadripper be used as a Threadcrapper to crap on forum threads using all its threads?

      • DoomGuy64
      • 3 years ago

      No, because Chuckula already has that name trademarked with Intel.

    • jackbomb
    • 3 years ago

    I like AMD. They have attitude.

    • xpentor
    • 3 years ago

    Is it only me liking the name Threadripper?

      • davidbowser
      • 3 years ago

      It is simultaneously (relatively) not that bad and cringe-worthy.

      “I have an intense burning indifference.”

      [url<]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szAt-QY0_60[/url<]

      • kuttan
      • 3 years ago

      Not just you me too mighty impressed with the brand name ThreadRipper. This chip seems to be an IntelRipper too 😀

      • the
      • 3 years ago

      Ask Jack, he was a ripper too.

        • DrDominodog51
        • 3 years ago

        Jack was always a role-model for AMD marketing. They want to rip through Intel exactly as Jack ripped through prostitutes.

      • Bensam123
      • 3 years ago

      No… Their marketing department just has a better grasp of who is willing splurge on these chips then the demograph that regulars this website does, which seems to fit well into the ‘get off my lawn’ group.

        • NTMBK
        • 3 years ago

        …12 year old boys are buying $1000 CPUs?

          • Bensam123
          • 3 years ago

          How about 20 something closing in on 30 something ‘boys’ that were brought up around video games and maintain geek culture.

          Although your reply speaks volumes about the typical demograph that regulars this site. IE 30-40 something that isn’t a huge fan of games besides using them as a benchmark for a piece of hardware you never intend to actually use and like to gets angry at modern culture because it wasn’t that way when you originally grew up.

            • Redocbew
            • 3 years ago

            I’d be surprised if AMD had any direct demographic or sales data on HEDT chips that’s worth a damn considering they haven’t had a successful HEDT CPU in nearly a decade. It seems like maybe you forgot that part before rambling on about “demographics” and “culture” in your attempt to defend AMD from the big bad scary nerds here.

            • NTMBK
            • 3 years ago

            I’m in my mid-20s and play video games almost every day. Try again.

      • Krogoth
      • 3 years ago

      I’m indifferent to it.

      It is no more silly then Intel’s precious metal-tier rebranding of their Xeon lineup.

        • mesyn191
        • 3 years ago

        Yeah Skulltrail is pretty silly too, but Intel gets a pass for it while AMD gets crapped on for Threadripper.

        • Mr Bill
        • 2 years ago

        RyZen Goldmember? AMD missed a trick.

    • kalelovil
    • 3 years ago

    I wonder how the inter-die connection will impact Crossfire/SLI frame times.

    Whether it will be better to run each on a 8x connection from the first die, or 16x from separate dies.

    • Pancake
    • 3 years ago

    Wow. Ryzen didn’t do it for me because of the dual-channel memory. Quad channel and 8 DIMMs is what I really wanted to get to 128GB. Even the 10-core base model would totally work for me!

    • Waco
    • 3 years ago

    Here’s to hoping they sell >16 cores on the same socket for Naples…and they drop right in. 🙂

      • chuckula
      • 3 years ago

      If the motherboard is not a true Naples (make that “Epic” misspelled) motherboard then there will only be 4 DRAM channels wired in. On top of that, there’s a strong likelihood that the threadripper motherboards won’t deliver any power to the pins that would drive the other two chips (it would be a wiring and unterminated connector electrical noise nightmare).

        • Waco
        • 3 years ago

        I wouldn’t mind half the memory bandwidth, and I would bet AMD uses the same substrate for both chips (since, in all likelihood, there will be 4 dies in there).

        🙂

      • Krogoth
      • 3 years ago

      It is a likely story since AM4 doesn’t have the connectivity for quad-channel DDR4 and beyond.

      Ryzen Threadripper = SP

      Epyc = MP

        • Waco
        • 3 years ago

        Epyc is supposed to be SP and MP, hence my hope they’re basically the same chips as mentioned in the article.

        If they are…chances are high they’ll drop into HEDT boards. I think the chance of them being the same silicon is high.

          • Beahmont
          • 3 years ago

          Look, I know it’s AMD, but why would the shoot themselves in the foot like that by not bilking the corprate types just a little more for exclusive boards?

          I mean, I know AMD is adverse to actually making money, but some segmentation is actually good for their bottom line so they can actually keep going.

          Beyond the money matters, I’m with Chuckula on the technical side. It’s not just a matter of sockets, but also of board design and resources. I don’t see how they can get the power for 32 cores through the board, same socket or no, without over engineering the crap out of the board. I also don’t think it’s going to be a simple matter for the 32 core Naples to just not get half the memory channels it’s controller needs to feed that thing given the design choices AMD made of just putting multiple 8 core parts in an MCM.

            • Waco
            • 3 years ago

            The 32 core chips aren’t going to be exceeding the power usage of the 16 core hot-clocked chips, IMO.

            Exclusive sockets would only cost more money in the long run. Nobody building a server is going to use a HEDT board.

            I’d be surprised if AMD didn’t design Zen to do exactly that (disable memory channels if need be). There’s no need for cores to actually be connected directly to a memory controller if their on-die interconnect is decent (since you get that access pattern in the real world anyway).

    • Bensam123
    • 3 years ago

    Wow… If these are priced appropriately (I’m sure 500-1k) they’ll make another splash. I thought I had the top of the line for Ryzen already with the 7, that might’ve been in error. Intel literally has no where to place their shit till they move their core counts around at price points.

    • jensend
    • 3 years ago

    This just in: Apparently AMD replaced their entire marketing department with two 9-year-old boys. Acknowledging the move, which was made in Q3 2016, CEO Lisa Su told reporters “The aggressive cost savings in nonessential units like marketing and branding will help us make Epyc truly epic and ThreadRipper truly rippin’.”

      • Beahmont
      • 3 years ago

      Apparently in your version they replaced Lisa Su’s speech writers as well.

      • semitope
      • 3 years ago

      bulldozer, Ryzen, Piledriver, steamroller….

        • Pulsar_the_Spacenerd
        • 3 years ago

        Don’t forget about Epyc, their Ryzen datacenter CPUs. It is probably the worst offender.

        • jensend
        • 3 years ago

        Why exactly do you see the construction equipment codenames as problematic?

        AMD has in the past taken a bunch of silly flak on this site for entirely decent codenames, and I called people out as hypocritical who criticized AMD’s geographic code names as “ugly” while saying nothing about Intel’s geographic code names.

        But this is different. These aren’t codenames (for internal consumption plus early communication with press and devs), these are public branding, which ought to meet higher standards (though it often doesn’t, industrywide). And these aren’t decent, they’re atrocious.

        “RyZen” was weird but given how much positive press was associated with Zen it was kinda understandable that they’d try to create a trademarkable riff on it. But today’s two names feel like late April Fool’s jokes.

    • cynan
    • 3 years ago

    Since it’s a bigger version of the same chip, why not just keep it simple and call it “HoRyzen”

    Threadripper just sounds like an especially forceful kind of fart.

    “What was that! Bob. Gosh… Was that you?”
    “Umm.. yeah. I guesso.” [Turns and shuffles away sheepishly] “Ow”.

    • 1sh
    • 3 years ago

    Ryzen 7 has known latency issues involving core to core communication between the two CCXs.
    Will Ryzen 9 exacerbate this issue with 4 CCXs? Or will the quad channel memory alleviate this?O_O

      • bhtooefr
      • 3 years ago

      Really, what it is, is it’s two Ryzen 7s on the same package. Each has its own two channels, but there’ll be a layer of cross-die communication that’s potentially slower than the cross-CCX communication of Ryzen.

      • chuckula
      • 3 years ago

      More memory channels helps aggregate bandwidth, but the latency isn’t going to be pretty when graphed next to an i9 part.

        • NTMBK
        • 3 years ago

        Have we seen any confirmation of the fabric design on Skylake X? There were rumours they were ditching the bidirectional ring and moving to a mesh.

      • ptsant
      • 2 years ago

      I believe that Threadripper doesn’t have 4-core modules, but 8-core modules. These are parts derived from the 8-core chip that goes into Naples. Possibly ones that fail QC.

      If I’m right, a threadripper 8-core would probably be a bit faster than R7. Then again, intelligent scheduling should solve most of the core-communication problems even in the R7.

    • drfish
    • 3 years ago

    At my day job, [url=https://smile.amazon.com/Dritz-638-Deluxe-Seam-Ripper/dp/B0001DSIVY/<]this[/url<] is what we would call a thread ripper.

      • willmore
      • 3 years ago

      Came for the seam ripper joke, left satisfied.

    • blastdoor
    • 3 years ago

    [url<]http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9-lineup-threadripper/[/url<] Base clocks look pretty darned good for 16 cores....

    • R-Type
    • 3 years ago

    ThreadRaper was probably too triggering.

    • shank15217
    • 3 years ago

    After being down-voted in the port about core i9 for basically telling it like it is, I’m back for more of chuckula and crispy reality distortion field

      • chuckula
      • 3 years ago

      Oh Like [url=https://techreport.com/news/31898/rumor-core-i9-processors-will-arrive-for-lga-2066-in-june?post=1036044<]this[/url<]: [quote<]Its Intel Xeon with multi sockets disabled, fu consumer![/quote<] Well guess what sunshine: AMD just launched a segmented single-socket only platform that only uses cut-down server parts... so F.U. AMD customers. Tell ya what genius, if the i7 7740K or 7640K can beat a 16 core "Threadripper" in literally one TR gaming benchmark using either the average FPS or frametime metric, you take a dose of STFU and buy me a nice i9 7900K no questions asked. I'm even being reasonable and not demanding the 12 core part. But something tells me you don't have the balls for something like that.

        • Laykun
        • 3 years ago

        What a stupid challenge, the criteria of which makes me wonder why you’re just so salty. The implied tone you use makes it sound like you’re taking this personally. If you’re over the age of 18 then I’d suggest you just grow the f up.

          • chuckula
          • 3 years ago

          It’s perfectly reasonable. If Threadripper is supposed to be the ultimate high-end consumer experience that’s worshipped by fanboys who have nothing but contempt for a mere quad-core part, then it out to have no problem destroying an old design with 1/4 the cores, 1/2 the memory bandwidth, 1/4 the cache and (at least) only 1/2 the price.

          If Threadripper is this miracle on ice that AMD is touting, it should win flat out every time no compromises against Intel chips that — according to the AMD crowd — are literally just slightly overclocked versions of parts from 2011.

            • rechicero
            • 3 years ago

            You can be really tiresome and boring sometimes…

        • southrncomfortjm
        • 3 years ago

        Can you guys please… PLEASE fight IRL? A fight is the only way to settle whatever this is.

        • shank15217
        • 3 years ago

        You should be buying me a whole rig for declaring Ryzen is a workstation segmented CPU. You don’t’ need me to bitch slap you, reality did it already.

          • shank15217
          • 3 years ago

          For future reference.

          Ryzen – Desktop Class CPU on a desktop platform with limited memory capacity and no ECC support as far as I can tell.

          Ryzen Threadripper – Workstation Class CPU for single socket servers or workstation with ECC support and probably other RAS features.

        • _ppi
        • 2 years ago

        7740k will beat the i9s in gaming benchmarks as well. What was your point about “Threadripper” again?

      • Bensam123
      • 3 years ago

      And to think he used to go out of his way to make me seem like a fanboy because I found usage scenarios for Piledriver given it’s pricepoint.

      Guess when pushed to his extreme he can’t turn the raging fanboi off to maintain his cover.

      • Chrispy_
      • 3 years ago

      Reality distortion field? Please – I’m simply stating what happened in the past. I’m not even flavouring it in favour of AMD or Intel. If you don’t like the reality of things, I can’t really help you with that.

      [quote<]It has always been this way, ever since Intel decided to split consumer and server platforms (Bloomfield/Lynfield). Consumers don't want the cost of a high pin-count socket and quad memory controller, so LGA1366 evolved into LGA2011 and the consumer sockets have stayed steady at LGA115x.[/quote<] and... [quote<]I'm not sure where you think we're defending Intel. It's just a plain statement of how [Intel] do things; Whether I agree or disagree with that isn't something I've mentioned or inferred.[/quote<] Clearly I'm an Intel shill.

    • mark625
    • 3 years ago

    Shouldn’t that be “AMD ThreadRypper” ?
    or ThreadReaper
    or ThreadWeeper
    or ThreadSweeper
    or ThreadMastyr
    or ThreadMyester

    The possibilities are endless….

    ThreadAnnihylator
    ThreadDevastaytor
    ThreadOblyterator
    ThreadDystructor
    ThreadBlastyr
    ThreadSpawnifyer

    Okay mayby not that last one…

      • albundy
      • 3 years ago

      really? ThreadCrapper – my favorite!

        • KeillRandor
        • 3 years ago

        *Crappyr

        This is starting to feel a little, well, Welsh 😉

        How about Myrddin and Gwynyfr?

          • Wonders
          • 3 years ago

          And it’s just a matter of time before Intel counters with [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyll<]Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch Lake[/url<].

      • caconym
      • 3 years ago

      ThreadDerailyr

      • jackbomb
      • 3 years ago

      AMD “Coregasm”
      -some guy on [H]Forum

        • southrncomfortjm
        • 3 years ago

        I’d go with AMD Corgy.

      • jokinin
      • 3 years ago

      ThreadNuker

      • jihadjoe
      • 3 years ago

      AMD BreadSlicer

      • southrncomfortjm
      • 3 years ago

      Threadshreader.

      Since purposefully misspelling something to make it work is hip and cool.

    • DancinJack
    • 3 years ago

    AMD marketing with another home run. good lord.

    • Duct Tape Dude
    • 3 years ago

    [url<]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZRgnlRPTTQ[/url<]

    • Chrispy_
    • 3 years ago

    You know what name was good?

    Zen.

      • bhtooefr
      • 3 years ago

      Apparently it couldn’t be trademarked: [url<]http://www.pcworld.com/article/3173043/components-processors/why-amd-had-to-change-the-zen-name-to-ryzen-for-its-new-chip-architecture.html[/url<]

        • jensend
        • 3 years ago

        What use is a trademark for something like this anyways? It’s not like some other CPU manufacturer was about to come along and start calling its own processors Zen too just to muddy the waters.

          • the
          • 3 years ago

          Intel thought the same thing about the 486.

    • chuckula
    • 3 years ago

    That name….

      • bhtooefr
      • 3 years ago

      AMD: Marketing that can’t sell air conditioners in the desert since, oh, 1996?

        • UberGerbil
        • 3 years ago

        Pronounced “Three-dripper”… what’s the problem? Drip, Drip, DRIP!

      • tsk
      • 3 years ago

      EPYC, Threadripper… AMD is killing it in the branding department.

        • chuckula
        • 3 years ago

        Oh yeah, I can’t wait to see how popular that product name is in corporate purchasing departments.

          • slowriot
          • 3 years ago

          Skulltrail anyone? Yeah the answer is it won’t matter.

            • djand77
            • 3 years ago

            Hmmm, SkullRipper perhaps? LOL

      • hungarianhc
      • 3 years ago

      If this thing ends up being awesome, then I think the name is good. With an over-the-top ridiculous name like that, it needs to be best in class. If it is, nobody will mistake the name for anything else, and it will stick.

        • chuckula
        • 3 years ago

        AMD tried the QuadFather too.

        [url<]https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/the-quadfather-is-pissed-off.2197990/[/url<] That's a blast from the past.

          • Takeshi7
          • 3 years ago

          Yeah, but they abandoned that branding when they upgraded from 4 to 6 core chips and realized it would be called SextFather.

            • curtisb
            • 3 years ago

            Errr…that would be HexaFather.

            • Takeshi7
            • 3 years ago

            sext- is a valid numeral prefix for 6.
            [url<]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeral_prefix[/url<]

            • curtisb
            • 3 years ago

            Well so is shat! LOL

            Hex or “Hexa Core” is generally how CPU’s are referred to, but even then it’s rare. Most times after “quad core” they’re referenced at 6-core, 8-core, etc. And yes, I realize I poo-poo’ed the joke. 🙂

        • slowriot
        • 3 years ago

        I mean chances of the box saying anything beyond Ryzen 9 are low.

        • Srsly_Bro
        • 3 years ago

        We know the performance of an 8/16. Gather up some of that brain power and multiply it by two. The performance isn’t a mystery…

        You new, bro?

          • Beahmont
          • 3 years ago

          Do you even physics bro?

          Because it can’t scale linearly according to the known laws of physics. It might possibly get very close. But it just can’t be a linear scale.

            • willmore
            • 3 years ago

            It actually can. You can even scale supra-linearly.

            • Redocbew
            • 3 years ago

            That’s true. It’s definitely more the exception than the rule, but it’s possible. That said, I’m sure there’s going to be people buying these for their gaming PC and expecting better performance than they’d get from a Ryzen 7. If the clocks aren’t significantly higher, then I wouldn’t expect to see a huge difference there.

      • Mr Bill
      • 3 years ago

      Don’t Fear the ThreadReaper…

        • UberGerbil
        • 3 years ago

        Needs more cowbell.

      • alphadogg
      • 3 years ago

      It matters how? Do engineering types buy because of choice of brand name? Do corporate consumers buy because of the name choice? Consumers, well, some prolly do… 😉

        • Redocbew
        • 3 years ago

        At my last job I’d sometimes get strange looks or anxious questions when talking about things with names like Drupal, MailChip and Elastic Beanstalk. The latter was the easiest since I could just call it “EBS”, and by nature of it being a three letter acronym it gained instant credibility. Nobody other than the bean counters seem to care at all, and I often got those looks from them anyway just by virtue of being the weird web guy who they rarely had any contact with unless something had died.

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